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[QUOTE=BamBam;6462524]She is an IG fashion model from Tustin / Irvine. I have her PII. She looks like a rinser for now. Also has an organic cleaning business. She's likely a schemer but VERY hot looking.

BAM.[/QUOTE]What is PII?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6463160]What is PII?[/QUOTE]

Personally Identifiable Information. See also SM for Social Media.

BAM.

[QUOTE=BamBam;6463505]Personally Identifiable Information. See also SM for Social Media.

BAM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification on this. I've been a SD in one form or another for over 20 years and don't know lots of these acronyms.

POT?

FC?

Any other acronyms that people use for Sugar?

Thanks.

I was going to hold off SA for a while but I'm bored. Anyone got any 25-33% off codes? They used to hand them out like candy before.

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6463595]I was going to hold off SA for a while but I'm bored. Anyone got any 25-33% off codes? They used to hand them out like candy before.[/QUOTE]This one has been reliable for me. I always use it for the 33% discount: VWO33 COM (no spaces).

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6463595]I was going to hold off SA for a while but I'm bored. Anyone got any 25-33% off codes? They used to hand them out like candy before.[/QUOTE]I used Seekca33 last week and it worked. The V one didn't or maybe I've used it too many times.

[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6463567]Thanks for the clarification on this. I've been a SD in one form or another for over 20 years and don't know lots of these acronyms.

POT?

FC?

Any other acronyms that people use for Sugar?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]POT is a Potential SB. They become actual once they have been to the FC (Fucking Chamber.).

Most of the acronyms originated on the Richmond VA SB thread which by default is functioning as the national clearing house for info: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL] You should subscribe to this.

Although you have been doing this for 20 years, things can change quickly. Here is a thread of gathered wisdom in the same forum: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL] It is only 2 pages and a lot of good info.

BAM.

So the girls can say ppm or p p m or looking for meetups. But god forbid if we do.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/737e4d42-9f28-4a21-b3e2-72c27f8a2bd1[/URL]

[QUOTE=BamBam;6462524]She is an IG fashion model from Tustin / Irvine. I have her PII. She looks like a rinser for now. Also has an organic cleaning business. She's likely a schemer but VERY hot looking.

BAM.[/QUOTE]I am texting w / her now. Seems to be from AZ. Do you have any tips? Dos / don'ts? Feel free to answer here or PM.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6466691]I am texting w / her now. Seems to be from AZ. Do you have any tips? Dos / don'ts? Feel free to answer here or PM.[/QUOTE]I talked about her briefly earlier in the thread. Even after she did eventually hit me up again after a compensated coffee M&G, she wanted to continue to go on compensated platonic dates until she felt comfortable. I even offered 15, but she wants to go on regular dates for 4 per and I'm not really down for that since she can just walk away.

So yeah, I don't recommend. Pretty sure she's just trying to get guys to go on regular dates for compensation.

[QUOTE=Blah1337;6469199]I talked about her briefly earlier in the thread. Even after she did eventually hit me up again after a compensated coffee M&G, she wanted to continue to go on compensated platonic dates until she felt comfortable. I even offered 15, but she wants to go on regular dates for 4 per and I'm not really down for that since she can just walk away.

So yeah, I don't recommend. Pretty sure she's just trying to get guys to go on regular dates for compensation.[/QUOTE]Hmm, she told me she's done atmosphere modeling, where girls get like 600 to just hang around a nightclub for the evening.

Any sense of her real interests? For example, some girls really are into the age-gap thing, kind of a different kink than D / S that is common on seeking. I am in my 60's, what about you guys who have been trying her before? And my MO to all POTs I get into conversation w / is just to be very respectful and nice. Any insight if that is a winner or loser?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6469405]Hmm, she told me she's done atmosphere modeling, where girls get like 600 to just hang around a nightclub for the evening.

Any sense of her real interests? For example, some girls really are into the age-gap thing, kind of a different kink than D / S that is common on seeking. I am in my 60's, what about you guys who have been trying her before? And my MO to all POTs I get into conversation w / is just to be very respectful and nice. Any insight if that is a winner or loser?[/QUOTE]Well, what I'm trying to get at is that I think she's just in it to not actually enter an arrangement, but to make money off of quick meet and greets and dinners. If you'd like to invest the time and money into seeing where things go, that's totally fine. It just wasn't for me, as it wouldn't be mutually beneficial.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6466691]I am texting w / her now. Seems to be from AZ. Do you have any tips? Dos / don'ts? Feel free to answer here or PM.[/QUOTE]She sent me this: Hey! Before we continue, I like to just get straight to the point so neither of us waste anyones time haha. Before we get talking I would like to make it clear that I'm looking for a long term SD and I don't just sleep around. I've only been with 2 people in my life so I am very reserved on who ill share my body with. I am looking for a man who will show me respect as the quality woman I am and also be able to prove to me he can take care of me financially. I verified myself on the site so you know I'm a real person but I also don't mind FaceTiming for further verification if you need that. I would like to start off with a simple coffee or dinner date to see how we vibe before discussing an arrangement. My time is also very valuable so please don't expect a free date with me 😘.

[QUOTE=PleasantOnSun;6470933]She sent me this: Hey! Before we continue, I like to just get straight to the point so neither of us waste anyones time haha. Before we get talking I would like to make it clear that I'm looking for a long term SD and I don't just sleep around. I've only been with 2 people in my life so I am very reserved on who ill share my body with. I am looking for a man who will show me respect as the quality woman I am and also be able to prove to me he can take care of me financially. I verified myself on the site so you know I'm a real person but I also don't mind FaceTiming for further verification if you need that. I would like to start off with a simple coffee or dinner date to see how we vibe before discussing an arrangement. My time is also very valuable so please don't expect a free date with me 😘.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she sent the same cut and paste to me.

But I am texting w / her now, will speak to her tomorrow, and I don't take anything as a given.

This girl is a flake. Seems pretty hot and nice, open, hippie-ish, but wanted to FT to check our interactions. I can't but I suggested Snap. Twice I have gotten myself to a spot I can tap into a free Wi-Fi so I have the bandwidth to video call her, and she was crickets. I think she is new to the sugar game and unsure if she really wants to do this. So, I am just going to leave her alone, one of you guys can take a run at her. I did see some of her videos on her Snap, kind of out there, weird pets, and dancing w / some ganja guys, 'you know Mon?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6471294]This girl is a flake. Seems pretty hot and nice, open, hippie-ish, but wanted to FT to check our interactions. I can't but I suggested Snap. Twice I have gotten myself to a spot I can tap into a free Wi-Fi so I have the bandwidth to video call her, and she was crickets. I think she is new to the sugar game and unsure if she really wants to do this. So, I am just going to leave her alone, one of you guys can take a run at her. I did see some of her videos on her Snap, kind of out there, weird pets, and dancing w / some ganja guys, 'you know Mon?[/QUOTE]I've seen a couple girls with this handle. Are you able to share which one?

[QUOTE=PleasantOnSun;6470933]She sent me this: Hey! Before we continue, I like to just get straight to the point so neither of us waste anyones time haha. Before we get talking I would like to make it clear that I'm looking for a long term SD and I don't just sleep around. I've only been with 2 people in my life so I am very reserved on who ill share my body with. I am looking for a man who will show me respect as the quality woman I am and also be able to prove to me he can take care of me financially. I verified myself on the site so you know I'm a real person but I also don't mind FaceTiming for further verification if you need that. I would like to start off with a simple coffee or dinner date to see how we vibe before discussing an arrangement. My time is also very valuable so please don't expect a free date with me 😘.[/QUOTE]"Don't expect a free date with me" Oh geez. That means she's expecting payment just to take her on that coffee or dinner date. LOL You're already paying for that dinner so she's getting a free meal. In all the arrangements I've done over the years I've probably done a handful of meet and greets. And never paid for just the meet and greet. Just met for coffee or boba and see how we vibed. Most of the time though everything was already discussed either by email or text and the first meet was just to go straight to bed. And the meet and greets were the girls idea not mine. I prefer not to do them and have everything arranged beforehand and just meet at the hotel / motel to tap that ass.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6464630]So the girls can say ppm or p p m or looking for meetups. But god forbid if we do.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/737e4d42-9f28-4a21-b3e2-72c27f8a2bd1[/URL][/QUOTE]I heard in Canada its legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy sex.

I know its most likely not going to happen, but does anyone know of any girls petite Asian girls GFE friendly.

HG tells them "makeout and hand job".

I modified that a bit for a first-timer to "makeout and blowjob" . . . Of course, not many girls are going to makeout, get fingered, give blowjob and not fuck. So lovely!

-RanMan.

P.S.: so quiet around here lately, let's hear some stories.

Anyone have info on [URL]SugarBook.com[/URL].

They advertise here on USASG, I'm more wondering if these other sites besides SA and SB have more of the pros.

I am not looking for pros, having accounts on these other sites might help weed out the pros.

Any thoughts?

The name of this forum is "Sugar Daddy Sites", so. . . updated reviews of other sites (besides SA and SB) would be welcomed.

I'm considering signing up for several, just to keep an eye on who's where. I had one girl awhile back who was much more "active" than she said.

Here's a copy / paste of what I found from a "top 10" site.

[URL]SugarDaddy.com[/URL]: - Just a different skin to SecretBenefits.com - exact same site (so I read elsewhere on USASG)

WhatsYourPrice: Best for strings arrangements.

Ashley Madison: Best for affair sugaring.

[URL]SugarDaddyMeet.com[/URL]: Best for a large community.

[URL]Wealthymen.com[/URL]: Best for finding wealthy men.

[URL]SugarBook.com[/URL]: Best access to little black dating book.

[URL]MillionaireMate.com[/URL]: Best for wealthy and attractive singles.

[URL]SugarDaddy.com[/URL]: Best for sugar dating.

EstablishedMen: Best for successful men.

[URL]SugarDaddie.com[/URL]: Best sugar daddy selection.

AdultFriendFinder: Best for casual relationships.

VictoriaMilan: Best for extramarital affairs.

Fine you lazy assholes, I'll TOFTT.

[URL]WealthyMen.com[/URL] is terrible!!

Awful layout.

Awful Filters / Search. Can't multi-select things like: slim + petite.

Some profiles go directly to pay-to-video chat type sites.

Sorting by recent login shows girls from all over the country instead of local area.

You see other dudes commenting on pics. A bunch of lude comments on a girls pic is a total turnoff.

Gross nude pics of pussys. . . Not classy.

Just a disgusting site!

Yuk!!

[URL]SugarBook.com[/URL] has a totally decent interface and search.

Could be a great site if they recruited some ladies into it.

Main problem is a total lack of active users. . . Only 2 white girls within last 24 hours in Los Angeles.

So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.

[QUOTE=SammyGlick;6480956]So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.[/QUOTE]You did great for this scenario. A lot of these Latinas, their families are very protective, they aren't allowed to date when they live at home.

I would not let this discourage you. Plenty of others at her level would not have gotten this far. If not w / her, w / someone else, if you persist.

You should also cook up some way she can not feel like a hooker. Suggest you'll take her out and get her a nice gift. Bring a bouquet of supermarket flowers to the FC. Ask her if you can set her up w / a plan for her favorite salon to get her nails done.

[QUOTE=SammyGlick;6480956]So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.[/QUOTE]Once on the way to seeing one of my regulars at the time I stopped to see a 20? year old latina. She told me to park around the block as she lived with her folks. She came out to the car and basically had nothing to say. So I just started making out with her which then led to some very hard core finger banging in the front seat. This went on for like 20 minutes or so. My arm was actually sore / tired. Suddenly she said she needed to go back into her house and left. Never heard from her again. I have had a few other similar freebee experiences. All in the car.

Belladimeooo is using fake pics. . . Her real insta is lane. . . Griff. . . Ith (separating the insta name so it doesn't come up on SEO, I'm not trying to out her, only her profile).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1e4c9f87-4df3-4c09-b063-b4c21125a34e[/URL]

She negotiated a ridiculous PPM, which I would have paid to the girl in the seeking profile (highest I've ever agreed).

Then, sent me her insta. . . Which was a disappointment in comparison.

When asked, she admitted she was using fake pics on seeking "for privacy".

Fine hunny, but don't use pics of a perfect-10 when you're a decent-8.

[QUOTE=SammyGlick;6480956]So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.[/QUOTE]I've had this happen as well sometimes with young sb's but with POTs of any age / ethnicity too. You handled it well and didn't force it at the end. When the POTs I've talked to bring up they feel like a hooker accepting money for sex. I'll break it down similarly to look at it like friends with extra extra benefits. Or I'll sometimes also say you've maybe have had sex with a guy or given them a BJ, after a date / dinner only, for free. Why not get some extra benefits and help like cash and / or gifts? Instead of giving it away for free. That usually breaks the ice and convinces them to go through with the arrangement. And I've also had a very small number that went all the way for the first meet. Then did not want to meet a second time and continue because their morals kicked in. It's all part of the game man. Just keep batting.

Yeah that's odd. She's actually quite hot.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6481362]Belladimeooo is using fake pics. . . Her real insta is lane. . . Griff. . . Ith (separating the insta name so it doesn't come up on SEO, I'm not trying to out her, only her profile).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1e4c9f87-4df3-4c09-b063-b4c21125a34e[/URL]

She negotiated a ridiculous PPM, which I would have paid to the girl in the seeking profile (highest I've ever agreed).

Then, sent me her insta. . . Which was a disappointment in comparison.

When asked, she admitted she was using fake pics on seeking "for privacy".

Fine hunny, but don't use pics of a perfect-10 when you're a decent-8.[/QUOTE]

I know people who work in hospitality so I always worry I will get seen and have a hard time explaining why I as a local am at a hotel. I like I think its Hilton that does sometimes digital check in a few years back. I went straight to the room without the front desk asking what I'm in town for and taking a really long time while repeating my name loudly over and over again. Anyone have tips for doing this safely and discreetly? I prefer not to meet the front desk or even use my real name if at all possible.

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6483982]I know people who work in hospitality so I always worry I will get seen and have a hard time explaining why I as a local am at a hotel. I like I think its Hilton that does sometimes digital check in a few years back. I went straight to the room without the front desk asking what I'm in town for and taking a really long time while repeating my name loudly over and over again. Anyone have tips for doing this safely and discreetly? I prefer not to meet the front desk or even use my real name if at all possible.[/QUOTE]A lot of Hiltons have digital keys now. You can always say you house is being tented, water line blew or power went out.

[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;6483982]I know people who work in hospitality so I always worry I will get seen and have a hard time explaining why I as a local am at a hotel. I like I think its Hilton that does sometimes digital check in a few years back. I went straight to the room without the front desk asking what I'm in town for and taking a really long time while repeating my name loudly over and over again. Anyone have tips for doing this safely and discreetly? I prefer not to meet the front desk or even use my real name if at all possible.[/QUOTE]Essentially all hotels require a credit card and DL to check in. I don't see how you can use a fake name. I rarely rarely ever get the room, but if I did, I use my middle name as my first name, for the reservation etc. The front desk usually does a very perfunctory look at the DL, but still, you have to have it. I don't go to chains where I have a frequent stay account. I much prefer using apps that give you rooms at quite discounted rates.

I also much prefer having the SB get the room, and I give them cash to cover in addition to their sugar. Many will do this. Only the really young ones who don't have credit cards would not be able. You can check in w / a debit card, but only if it has been issued to you. No prepaids.

IK someone on the Richmond sugar thread who says that he uses [URL]hotels.com[/URL] gift cards to pay for his rooms, but IDK the details. You should hunt them down over there.

[QUOTE=SammyGlick;6480956]So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.[/QUOTE]I had this experience before. I met 27 yrs old Filipina, took her for dinner, and we chat and get to know each other. She was new to this and she didn't event know what seeking is for. I take it slowly and second date we just went to movie. Third one I brought her to hotel and she said it was okay to hang out at hotel. We had sex then the moral part kicked in on her and she felt guilty for being paid for sex. After that we still texted for a while but she didn't want to go to hotel anymore and eventually we stopped texting. She was just breaking up with her bf at that time so probably she felt lonely. She was off from seeking too and never came back.

[QUOTE=CumInPussy;6486566]I had this experience before. I met 27 yrs old Filipina, took her for dinner, and we chat and get to know each other. She was new to this and she didn't event know what seeking is for. I take it slowly and second date we just went to movie. Third one I brought her to hotel and she said it was okay to hang out at hotel. We had sex then the moral part kicked in on her and she felt guilty for being paid for sex. After that we still texted for a while but she didn't want to go to hotel anymore and eventually we stopped texting. She was just breaking up with her bf at that time so probably she felt lonely. She was off from seeking too and never came back.[/QUOTE]Wait. You went on 3 dates from seeking without sex? You went past the first one? Why would you even bother? I hope you didn't pay gifts for the dates where you didn't get any. That's just not ok.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6480007]The name of this forum is "Sugar Daddy Sites", so. . . updated reviews of other sites (besides SA and SB) would be welcomed.

I'm considering signing up for several, just to keep an eye on who's where. I had one girl awhile back who was much more "active" than she said.

Here's a copy / paste of what I found from a "top 10" site.
[/QUOTE]Those Top 10's are basically scam sites shilling for a bunch of scams. Especially if it still lists Ashley Madison. I'd really suggest you guys watch out if you try any of them, note active users then skip out when it doesn't look like there are many or their listings are pulled from Seeking.

I think the only semi legit ones other forums have suggested are Seeking, wyp, and one other I forgot that has a very, very rare one. You're more likely to find something off reddit or at Walmart! (No, I haven't found anything from reddit, there is a rinser sub for girls pretending to be sugar babies that is as toxic as usasg LOL).

I thought WYP was trash, I got some free credits via SA, just enough to talk to 2 girls that went nowhere. I think for the price of a month of Seeking you can message about 20 girls. Garbage.

Just sucks that seeking has dropped from where you could discuss ppm right there, get details, and the girls even used to self price themselves for what they were looking for monthly so you could instantly eliminate high demanding ones or break down mid demanding ones to a reasonable ppm.

I'd share my successes from SA with everyone. But I'm not really having many / any even while going up in amounts! Certainly a few that have one word responses or jump to text and have a high ppm instantly! I'll post some eventually if I get anywhere.

Though definitely more encouragement for someone to post some good ones here that are a little too much for them and let me try them! I'm open to a bit more than others here (though def not the 1 k+ types haha!

[QUOTE=Murrican;6487202]Wait. You went on 3 dates from seeking without sex? You went past the first one? Why would you even bother? I hope you didn't pay gifts for the dates where you didn't get any. That's just not ok.[/QUOTE]Back when I was playing all my cards I had a few non sexual or minimum sexual experiences with certain girls. I had the time, money and other pussy to just explore. And I also had a 3 bedroom house in the hills where more than a few girls lived or just passed through at various times. Some girls I spent money on and others I did not. But they all had a safe place to hide out (as I used to call it). Part of the sugar experience (at times) for me is to live the perceived (and sometimes for real) experience that I am just civi dating these girls.

[QUOTE=SammyGlick;6480956]So I was chatting with an 18 yo Latina who clearly had never had a SD before. Clearly she had a mental block on pay to play, so offered her advice and played it low key about how it's just dating with extra benefits. M&G goes well, she's cute, nervous, but I get her to warm up. Plan a 2nd date and she agrees to meet at hotel. We chat a bit, I turn it sexual, we're both clean, she's on birth control and seems DTF. Start making out and I take off her clothes and start fingering her and she is WETTT. Then she says stop I can't do this. Ughhhh. We chat a bit more and she just can't get over the idea of feeling like she's getting paid for sex and what her mom would say. Never had that experience before but since I can't commiserate with anyone else I'd share with you degenerates.[/QUOTE]I feel like the younger the more open minded, give or take since they are uncontaminated with the no experience on the site or what it is about are more prone to going with the flow. Depending how strategically you maneuver yourself. I can't speak for everyone on the site on the female perspective but from my experience the many women I met up with in person, I try to understand their perspective and the why. I tend to have found these women are lost within themselves, trying to figure out how to make money. Speaking for the young ones. The understanding is very complex and hard to grasp since it's like a tree with many roots damaged internally. I haven't been on seeking in a while but I had a ton of action when I did sign up. The most recent was I met a 19 year old and was just frustrated with a relationship that she got cheated on and wanted something different. I didn't mention pay per but just by talking to her she was trying to fill a void. The most I did was send nudes via Snapchat and then we went out twice but she was still a bit shy and nervous since she it was her first time experiencing the site. She told me she met up with someone else and the person was too touchy for her that she was very skeptical with me being the same.

During the time I was juggling her and another girl that I met on seeking which this girl was older like 28 ish I can't remember but same thing with her filling a void kind of but looking for something serious. Not sure why she chose seeking. I ended up seeing this girl twice before we got into any action. No discussion on pay per but just wanted to hangout and have fun. After the 2nd meet up we started to make out and I started to test what I can touch and everything was on the menu.

Seeking hasn't failed me every time I sign up and pay for the premium membership. I gathered a lot of information on this forum how to approach it and I sprinkled my own persona into it. The results I got on seeking was beyond my expectations. There is definitely rare gems you can find.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6487202]Wait. You went on 3 dates from seeking without sex? You went past the first one? Why would you even bother? I hope you didn't pay gifts for the dates where you didn't get any. That's just not ok.[/QUOTE]First two I didn't pay, other than paying dinner for the first one and paying movie for the second one. My rule is no sex no pay and I'm always stick to my rule.

[QUOTE=Ajfff;6487397]Just sucks that seeking has dropped from where you could discuss ppm right there, get details, and the girls even used to self price themselves for what they were looking for monthly so you could instantly eliminate high demanding ones or break down mid demanding ones to a reasonable ppm.
[/QUOTE]You do understand that seeking had no choice about that policy change. The FOSTA / SESTA law that got BP shut down makes it imperative that sites police people involved in 'sex trafficking'. The fact BP went away brought a lot of people (men and women) who had been there to seeking. That is who they are trying to get kicked off. Not NPs, not guys trying to find NPs.