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It doesn't have anything to so with Cash App. I posted about this in the are&are thread on 6/29 but here's the gist for those that missed it- NC soliciting penalties changing.

Cooper signed HB 971 which changes the penalty for soliciting a prostitute from a misdemeanor to a felony starting in Dec 2024. I switched from pros, to a utr, and then to AMPs some years ago to avoid most of the possible problems but this worries me. Soliciting is defined as offering money or compensation for sexual acts- so it could include a handy at the local massage parlor if you're not careful. Now the police will be able to charge you with a felony to scare you into talking about your last visit. The AMP scene is pretty bad now but I am afraid it will disappear completely when this goes into effect in December.

According to google;.

1st offense Class I = 4-10 months imprisonment, max 2 years.

2nd or more offense Class H= 5-20 months, max 3 years.

If she's a minor Class G = 10-24 months, max 4 years.

These penalties do not apply to the prostitute, just the person soliciting.

Also in the bill-are human trafficking sections and new requirements for motel / hotel housekeepers and "vacation rental" property managers to be trained in how to recognize trafficking signs and the new mandatory reporting to law enforcement.

This isn't specifically related to Cashapp. Re-read the comments.

A lot people missing the bigger picture here.

[QUOTE=Leon3798;6974802]Not sure what 'law' everyone is talking about going into effect in December as I couldn't find a single thing related to any new laws going into effect that specifically target Cashapp, however that being said its pretty clear in Cashapps policy:

"If we reasonably suspect that your account has been used for an unauthorized, illegal, or criminal purpose, you give us express authorization to share information about you, your account, and any of your transactions with law enforcement. "

So it appears this has always been the case. Meaning ever since its been in operation the police have been able to subpoena Cashapp for records. Ill tell you right now police don't give 2 shits if Me and Joey bag o doughnuts pay 2 escorts to bang their brains out for an hour. (doesn't mean you won't get busted if you're quite literally caught) What they care about is illegal trafficking, child exploitation etc as they should. No reason to be afraid about some new law, police have always had the ability to get your records from Cashapp if requested so no reason to get our collective panties in a twist. You are the center of your universe but in the grand scheme of things we as individuals aren't that interesting or important enough for police to come after. My point is if they wanted to they could've gotten the information already there's no new law its literally their policy to give information to LEO if requested. No need to panic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSparky;6975164]It doesn't have anything to so with Cash App. I posted about this in the are&are thread on 6/29 but here's the gist for those that missed it- NC soliciting penalties changing.

Cooper signed HB 971 which changes the penalty for soliciting a prostitute from a misdemeanor to a felony starting in Dec 2024. I switched from pros, to a utr, and then to AMPs some years ago to avoid most of the possible problems but this worries me. Soliciting is defined as offering money or compensation for sexual acts- so it could include a handy at the local massage parlor if you're not careful. Now the police will be able to charge you with a felony to scare you into talking about your last visit. The AMP scene is pretty bad now but I am afraid it will disappear completely when this goes into effect in December.

According to google;.

1st offense Class I = 4-10 months imprisonment, max 2 years.

2nd or more offense Class H= 5-20 months, max 3 years.

If she's a minor Class G = 10-24 months, max 4 years.

These penalties do not apply to the prostitute, just the person soliciting.

Also in the bill-are human trafficking sections and new requirements for motel / hotel housekeepers and "vacation rental" property managers to be trained in how to recognize trafficking signs and the new mandatory reporting to law enforcement.[/QUOTE]What you're saying. I think it goes back to the dark ages where everything is code and based on 'time' instead of it being openly sexual perhaps.

[QUOTE=OldSparky;6975164]It doesn't have anything to so with Cash App. I posted about this in the are&are thread on 6/29 but here's the gist for those that missed it- NC soliciting penalties changing.

Cooper signed HB 971 which changes the penalty for soliciting a prostitute from a misdemeanor to a felony starting in Dec 2024. I switched from pros, to a utr, and then to AMPs some years ago to avoid most of the possible problems but this worries me. Soliciting is defined as offering money or compensation for sexual acts- so it could include a handy at the local massage parlor if you're not careful. Now the police will be able to charge you with a felony to scare you into talking about your last visit. The AMP scene is pretty bad now but I am afraid it will disappear completely when this goes into effect in December.

According to google;.

1st offense Class I = 4-10 months imprisonment, max 2 years.

2nd or more offense Class H= 5-20 months, max 3 years.

If she's a minor Class G = 10-24 months, max 4 years.

These penalties do not apply to the prostitute, just the person soliciting.

Also in the bill-are human trafficking sections and new requirements for motel / hotel housekeepers and "vacation rental" property managers to be trained in how to recognize trafficking signs and the new mandatory reporting to law enforcement.[/QUOTE]Yeah. More Puritanical bullshit denying people the freedome to fuck. Nobody wants human trafficking or minors. But this makes it a seroius crime to just fuck. I was in Europe recently and frequented some legal brothels. Clean, gorgeous women, ready to go. Professionals. And cheaper than a QV here. This sucks. Stop voting for these prudes!

[QUOTE=OldSparky;6975164]It doesn't have anything to so with Cash App. I posted about this in the are&are thread on 6/29 but here's the gist for those that missed it- NC soliciting penalties changing.

Also in the bill-are human trafficking sections and new requirements for motel / hotel housekeepers and "vacation rental" property managers to be trained in how to recognize trafficking signs and the new mandatory reporting to law enforcement.[/QUOTE]What might happen is the property manager or staff could call the police if they notice a room having a lot of activity of men going in and out.

Many of the women may start advertising as giving massages, and once there do the upsell for extra perks. I will most likely stick with Fetlife and join the gangbangs advertised there.

Thank you, things like this is why guys should be more cautious. I imagine most hotel staff know the patterns of escort behavior already. Mongers going in and out an obvious sign. They have a paying guest so they may not care. But now they also have an incentive to alert LEO because if it's found out escort activity is taking place at said establishment, then they may be subject to fines, bad press, etc.

[QUOTE=LifeLine;6976411]What might happen is the property manager or staff could call the police if they notice a room having a lot of activity of men going in and out.

Many of the women may start advertising as giving massages, and once there do the upsell for extra perks. I will most likely stick with Fetlife and join the gangbangs advertised there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crl2022;6976492]Thank you, things like this is why guys should be more cautious. I imagine most hotel staff know the patterns of escort behavior already. Mongers going in and out an obvious sign. They have a paying guest so they may not care. But now they also have an incentive to alert LEO because if it's found out escort activity is taking place at said establishment, then they may be subject to fines, bad press, etc.[/QUOTE]The hotel staff are a potential problem for us now. Any front desk staffers are required to be trained to detect prostitution. They and the hotel owners are responsible when someone gets caught on their properties. Assuming these girls can even get a room, the staff won't be overlooking anything in the future. I'm curious about what's really going to happen next year. On one hand I can see the women appreciating the new immunity they have. On the other hand, their customer base will get smaller for sure. And they will find having a place to stay difficult at best. For me personally, I'm probably going to end up traveling out of the country more. It's just not worth the life destruction.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;6979615]The hotel staff are a potential problem for us now. Any front desk staffers are required to be trained to detect prostitution. They and the hotel owners are responsible when someone gets caught on their properties. Assuming these girls can even get a room, the staff won't be overlooking anything in the future. I'm curious about what's really going to happen next year. On one hand I can see the women appreciating the new immunity they have. On the other hand, their customer base will get smaller for sure. And they will find having a place to stay difficult at best. For me personally, I'm probably going to end up traveling out of the country more. It's just not worth the life destruction.[/QUOTE]What will happen is prices will go up. There will still be mongers who take the risk and there will still be walkers out there, but they will have to charge more in order to meet their drug / pimp / food / housing needs. Now is the time to find a few good UTRs and stick with them in preparation for the future.

[QUOTE=LifeLine;6979868]What will happen is prices will go up. There will still be mongers who take the risk and there will still be walkers out there, but they will have to charge more in order to meet their drug / pimp / food / housing needs. Now is the time to find a few good UTRs and stick with them in preparation for the future.[/QUOTE]That's the best advice.

I know that everyone always worries about escorts flipping on their customers, but really how realistic is that? For giving money to be a crime, they'd need to prove the sex act. An escort's testimony wouldn't be super reliable, especially if she's using the testimony to avoid charges. If they DO pursue you over that little, I'd imagine they wouldn't be able to do anything with it unless you say or do something stupid.

Not to minimize the danger from this law! I just expect that we'll see an increase in patrols around SW areas and more funding towards stings. Known girls should continue to be as safe as they currently are (which isn't actually safe if you get me).

[QUOTE=Trialrun;6981398]I know that everyone always worries about escorts flipping on their customers, but really how realistic is that? For giving money to be a crime, they'd need to prove the sex act. An escort's testimony wouldn't be super reliable, especially if she's using the testimony to avoid charges. If they DO pursue you over that little, I'd imagine they wouldn't be able to do anything with it unless you say or do something stupid.

Not to minimize the danger from this law! I just expect that we'll see an increase in patrols around SW areas and more funding towards stings. Known girls should continue to be as safe as they currently are (which isn't actually safe if you get me).[/QUOTE]The big issue is getting into the situation itself. The publicity of getting arrested, mugshot online, and having to explain to a significant other what the hell just happened. That's not an issue if you're single, but you could be placing your job in jeopardy if you earn a decent living.

This is just a simple case of two consenting adults going inside a hotel room. Nothing more.

IF the managers happened to see suspicious activity. They don't have any videos inside to see what happened.

Only thing that can be caught is if it was an under-aged situation. Anything else, there is very little to worry about, since there is no survillence inside.

Also, a man (you or I) could have gone in, to perform a moving help, IT support, grocery, tutoring, english language support, WHATEVER.

SG.

[QUOTE=LifeLine;6976411]What might happen is the property manager or staff could call the police if they notice a room having a lot of activity of men going in and out.

Many of the women may start advertising as giving massages, and once there do the upsell for extra perks. I will most likely stick with Fetlife and join the gangbangs advertised there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StainGlass;6982012]This is just a simple case of two consenting adults going inside a hotel room. Nothing more.

IF the managers happened to see suspicious activity. They don't have any videos inside to see what happened.

Only thing that can be caught is if it was an under-aged situation. Anything else, there is very little to worry about, since there is no survillence inside.

Also, a man (you or I) could have gone in, to perform a moving help, IT support, grocery, tutoring, english language support, WHATEVER.

SG.[/QUOTE]Just be sure that housekeeping is tipped properly so that they do not report excessive use of towels and sheets.

[QUOTE=Trialrun;6981398]I know that everyone always worries about escorts flipping on their customers, but really how realistic is that? For giving money to be a crime, they'd need to prove the sex act. An escort's testimony wouldn't be super reliable, especially if she's using the testimony to avoid charges. If they DO pursue you over that little, I'd imagine they wouldn't be able to do anything with it unless you say or do something stupid.

Not to minimize the danger from this law! I just expect that we'll see an increase in patrols around SW areas and more funding towards stings. Known girls should continue to be as safe as they currently are (which isn't actually safe if you get me).[/QUOTE]That's the worst part of the new law coming next year. All providers will now be classified as 'Human Trafficking Victims' regardless of their past. WE are the LEO targets. Period. She is the witness against you, along with the information they obtain in the investigation. In that way, she won't be treated much differently than a rape victim. For a felony charge, they will get her comms. And then they will track the number you used. If you used a burner, the number will come back to the burner app that controls that #. They will subpoena that app and they will receive your apple / google I'd and real phone #. Upon arrest they will take your phone, and if they can unlock it they will search it for evidence. Sure, you may eventually beat these charges in court after hiring a FANTASTIC attorney at great expense to you, but you may have already lost your relationship, job, professional certifications etc. In the past, the investigative hurdle was twofold: 1. The charges for you were misdemeanors. There's only so much investigation they're going to do in this situation. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Now your charge is a minimum 4 month in jail FELONY. They're going to go a hell of a lot further to get you. 2. The way it's been, the provider was going to at least face similar charges or more serious charges. The effect of that is she just clams up and the cops have both sides not telling them anything. You walk. (This has happened with me BTW.) Even if the cops said "we want him, not you", the ladies were probably distrustful. Next year, the women will know they CANNOT be charged. They will be HT Victims and be treated as such. They can qualify for victim impact funds. Even drug use will be treated as a coercive condition that pimps and customers use to keep them trafficked. "Help us get these men using you, off the streets, you poor little flower" will be the approach from LEO. There are no deals for us because we're where the big charges come from. Note that much of what I know about how the changes get implemented by LEO comes from my family member who's a detective (Theft, not Vice). We're going to need to be much much more careful going forward (if we continue this hobby) and IMO one of the real risks are with the scammer girls or the false advertising girls that you walk out on. When she follows up with "I'm calling the cops unless you give me _ LEO will still probably get your plate # from the CCTV, for follow-up. Note that 'Soliciting' doesn't require you to complete the act in any way. These women just got a lot more power, and that's something to be mindful of.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;6984097]That's the worst part of the new law coming next year. All providers will now be classified as 'Human Trafficking Victims' regardless of their past. WE are the LEO targets. Period. She is the witness against you, along with the information they obtain in the investigation. In that way, she won't be treated much differently than a rape victim. For a felony charge, they will get her comms. And then they will track the number you used. If you used a burner, the number will come back to the burner app that controls that #. They will subpoena that app and they will receive your apple / google I'd and real phone #. Upon arrest they will take your phone, and if they can unlock it they will search it for evidence. Sure, you may eventually beat these charges in court after hiring a FANTASTIC attorney at great expense to you, but you may have already lost your relationship, job, professional certifications etc. In the past, the investigative hurdle was twofold: 1. The charges for you were misdemeanors. There's only so much investigation they're going to do in this situation. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Now your charge is a minimum 4 month in jail FELONY. They're going to go a hell of a lot further to get you. 2. The way it's been, the provider was going to at least face similar charges or more serious charges. The effect of that is she just clams up and the cops have both sides not telling them anything. You walk. (This has happened with me BTW.) Even if the cops said "we want him, not you", the ladies were probably distrustful. Next year, the women will know they CANNOT be charged. They will be HT Victims and be treated as such. They can qualify for victim impact funds. Even drug use will be treated as a coercive condition that pimps and customers use to keep them trafficked. "Help us get these men using you, off the streets, you poor little flower" will be the approach from LEO. There are no deals for us because we're where the big charges come from. Note that much of what I know about how the changes get implemented by LEO comes from my family member who's a detective (Theft, not Vice). We're going to need to be much much more careful going forward (if we continue this hobby) and IMO one of the real risks are with the scammer girls or the false advertising girls that you walk out on. When she follows up with "I'm calling the cops unless you give me _ LEO will still probably get your plate # from the CCTV, for follow-up. Note that 'Soliciting' doesn't require you to complete the act in any way. These women just got a lot more power, and that's something to be mindful of.[/QUOTE]Yep. Everyone will have incentive to go against you. Hotel staff, neighbors, passerbys, girls, pimps etc. Anyone trying to stay silent will face charges themselves. Girls will be given the option, did you traffic yourself or did he traffic you?