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[QUOTE=WaltoDerri267;6996776]This girl pulled off a stunt Friday that reminded me of similar stories I have read here where she seems fine, asks for a ride, chats you up and at the last minute demands the payment without having done a damn thing. This starts an argument that just goes in circles with her refusing to leave my car and I even offer her a couple bucks for her time.[/QUOTE]Don't positively reinforce this behavior. Just drive to the nearest police station. You don't even need to really do anything, she either freaks out and runs or you can just tell the police, "She's a hookup but now I want her out of my car cause she's trying to scam me. " It's your car, you have every right to have her leave it.

[QUOTE=WaltoDerri267;6996776] she would leave her bag and wallet as "proof" she'd be back.[/QUOTE]Yeah I fell for that once but it was with some craigslist girl I saw a few times back when they still allowed that kind of stuff on their site. I had no reason to think she was going to steal from me because we meet occasionally but each time it was a worse and worse meet up. Looks like her family kicked her to the curb and she went to live basically anywhere. Was ages ago and essentially the first pro I ever hung out with so. Lesson learned.

And I'm noticing that too. Way too many thieving little w h 0 re $ who want you to send money before anything. Even meeting in person for a hello. They ALWAYS have a story. This one below does that A LOT. One time with one number it was her birthday. Another time she was late on a bill of some kind. Then there was her not being able to drive over cause she needed to pay her car's insurance. Yeah, cause if you don't pay it your car instantly turns off and you cannot drive it anymore. JFC these sluts.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fdb699d3-091b-45f5-8a0e-571f18ed04b7[/URL]

Tried this other one below again. Already posted a report about her but it was long enough that she probably didn't remember me. She didn't. Takes ages to reply back. Acts like a hooker. "I want this amount for X hours and this amount for X+1 hours" nickel and diming you because she "values her time. " And yet she takes days or a week to reply. Called her out for what she is like 11 days ago, then sent a reply back JUST TODAY with her usual yadda yadda of "I found you online, I'm going to let everyone know on your FB about you" I'm using a fake number and she already tried that before where she tries to scare you by saying she found your personal info online and she's going to post your record. What a miserable life she must have that she thinks that catch-all shot in the dark is going to apply to everyone she talks to. Grade-A white trash that one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cb1982cd-8bbf-4081-96ba-3a46571ac40c[/URL]

[QUOTE=PhillYogynist;6939140]WarmQueen.

Exchanged messages with her a couple years ago. Quite real and very pretty. Knows what this is about but wanted $800. Countered with $400 which was rejected and ended the conversation. She disappeared for a while, but resurfaced recently (AFAIK). Maybe she's recalibrated her expectations?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1cd75701-5624-48ff-99ee-d50aefad67a1[/URL][/QUOTE]I've met her. Cute. A very nice lady. 36 YO. Has 3 kids. It shows on her body once we got behind closed doors. Still, a nice shape to her but not who I want to have a long term arrangement with.

She was fun but we are not a match.

Maybe one of you gents might be a good match? Mostly available Mondays or Fridays.

[QUOTE=WaltoDerri267;6996776]This girl pulled off a stunt Friday that reminded me of similar stories I have read here where she seems fine, asks for a ride, chats you up and at the last minute demands the payment without having done a damn thing. This starts an argument that just goes in circles with her refusing to leave my car and I even offer her a couple bucks for her time. She's insisting her clearly bullshit story is true. "It's my nieces birthday tomorrow but this friend of mine said he'd do me the favor of getting the stuff and he can't meet later because his wife is a *****" LOL.

[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened to you. Doesn't sound like a Sugar baby, more of an escort related scammer.

Now not being critical, but I had to learn this "no money upfront" the hard way too. In fact, for the edification of lurkers or those who are new, I'll reference "the rules" which apply to escorts and equally to SBs. Some techniques for not paying up front in that thread.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

So when a girl pulls a stunt like that, first stay calm and don't get physical. The advice with Streetwalkers is to have a roll of fake bills accessible and toss those out the window so the girl goes after the money. "OK, here's you money, go get it!" Might not work with a SB, however. But I have had something similar happen to me. One time I drove to a busy gas station, got out of the car and walked around and opened the passenger door and stated loudly, "Please get out of my car. " I had to repeat that several times, increasing the volume until other people at the gas station took notice and some White Knight piped up and said something and she got out of the car.

Another time, I stopped and did the same thing and some dude stopped in front of me. He got out, identified himself as an off duty LE officer, pointing to the badge on his license plate. He told the woman that IF I wanted her out of my car she had to exit the car. She eventually got out.

Gas station, police station or somewhere in view of a security camera might be good too. Get her exiting the car in good shape in case she claims battery later.

Now as far as a girl leaving a purse or something as "collateral" DON'T DO IT! Purse could be a dollar store special with worth-nothing make up in it or whatever. So what if she loses $10 of merch? She trades up, you trade down. Same thing goes for cell phones. Unless you're and expert it could be a $20 prepaid phone.

So yes, scammers will play all kinds of games, tug at your heart strings and other 'stuff' to get you to part with your money. It's gotten increasing difficult to operate in the bowl so one needs to be on their toes. While all of this stuff looks "easy", being prepared with an exit plan at all times is valuable.

Again, sorry for your bad experience! Hang in there! With experience and knowledge one is better able to stay safe! Good luck!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6999018]Sorry this happened to you. Doesn't sound like a Sugar baby, more of an escort related scammer.

Now not being critical, but I had to learn this "no money upfront" the hard way too. In fact, for the edification of lurkers or those who are new, I'll reference "the rules" which apply to escorts and equally to SBs. Some techniques for not paying up front in that thread.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]

So when a girl pulls a stunt like that, first stay calm and don't get physical. The advice with Streetwalkers is to have a roll of fake bills accessible and toss those out the window so the girl goes after the money. "OK, here's you money, go get it!" Might not work with a SB, however. But I have had something similar happen to me. One time I drove to a busy gas station, got out of the car and walked around and opened the passenger door and stated loudly, "Please get out of my car. " I had to repeat that several times, increasing the volume until other people at the gas station took notice and some White Knight piped up and said something and she got out of the car.

Another time, I stopped and did the same thing and some dude stopped in front of me. He got out, identified himself as an off duty LE officer, pointing to the badge on his license plate. He told the woman that IF I wanted her out of my car she had to exit the car. She eventually got out.

Gas station, police station or somewhere in view of a security camera might be good too. Get her exiting the car in good shape in case she claims battery later.

Now as far as a girl leaving a purse or something as "collateral" DON'T DO IT! Purse could be a dollar store special with worth-nothing make up in it or whatever. So what if she loses $10 of merch? She trades up, you trade down. Same thing goes for cell phones. Unless you're and expert it could be a $20 prepaid phone.

So yes, scammers will play all kinds of games, tug at your heart strings and other 'stuff' to get you to part with your money. It's gotten increasing difficult to operate in the bowl so one needs to be on their toes. While all of this stuff looks "easy", being prepared with an exit plan at all times is valuable.

Again, sorry for your bad experience! Hang in there! With experience and knowledge one is better able to stay safe! Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks man, crazy how far they are willing to go to scam. I was talking to another buddy of mine from here and he *confirmed* that she used the same sob story about it being her "nieces birthday" that day (days earlier) and trying to negotiate with him a very specific $270 LOL. He clocked the bullshit immediately. I didn't because she didn't ask for the money up front via text, only when we were close to the hotel and she was like "actually I have to do this thing" which led to the whole mess.

I realized I blocked her on seeking and didn't save her pic but I got her main photo from my email. Fellas take a look and avoid this ***** like the plague. Women are master manipulators.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6997033]Don't positively reinforce this behavior. Just drive to the nearest police station. You don't even need to really do anything, she either freaks out and runs or you can just tell the police, "She's a hookup but now I want her out of my car cause she's trying to scam me. " It's your car, you have every right to have her leave it.

Yeah I fell for that once but it was with some craigslist girl I saw a few times back when they still allowed that kind of stuff on their site. I had no reason to think she was going to steal from me because we meet occasionally but each time it was a worse and worse meet up. Looks like her family kicked her to the curb and she went to live basically anywhere. Was ages ago and essentially the first pro I ever hung out with so. Lesson learned.

And I'm noticing that too. Way too many thieving little w h 0 re $ who want you to send money before anything. Even meeting in person for a hello. They ALWAYS have a story. This one below does that A LOT. One time with one number it was her birthday. Another time she was late on a bill of some kind. Then there was her not being able to drive over cause she needed to pay her car's insurance. Yeah, cause if you don't pay it your car instantly turns off and you cannot drive it anymore. JFC these sluts.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fdb699d3-091b-45f5-8a0e-571f18ed04b7[/URL]

Tried this other one below again. Already posted a report about her but it was long enough that she probably didn't remember me. She didn't. Takes ages to reply back. Acts like a hooker. "I want this amount for X hours and this amount for X+1 hours" nickel and diming you because she "values her time. " And yet she takes days or a week to reply. Called her out for what she is like 11 days ago, then sent a reply back JUST TODAY with her usual yadda yadda of "I found you online, I'm going to let everyone know on your FB about you" I'm using a fake number and she already tried that before where she tries to scare you by saying she found your personal info online and she's going to post your record. What a miserable life she must have that she thinks that catch-all shot in the dark is going to apply to everyone she talks to. Grade-A white trash that one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cb1982cd-8bbf-4081-96ba-3a46571ac40c[/URL][/QUOTE]Funny enough I threatened to drive to the police station and she didn't budge. It seemed she feared who ever she was working with more than the cops. She even cited that I had already booked the room so it would be lost money and I was like yeah. That's why I'm even more pissed than normal LOL she had zero shame.

[QUOTE=UninhibitedFla;6996972]Glad you made out ok. Personally I stay away from those who have all filtered photos because you really don't know what you're going to meet in real life. I think that holds true for physical appearance and mental state of mind.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, that is a good point about the filtered pics. Years in the game and sometimes I decide to roll the dice and give someone a chance when they sound sincere and I ignore the red flags like a dickhead. It's never NOT a scam.

[QUOTE=Suckuhh;6996973]Also, I remember messaging her a few weeks ago and when I saw your report I suddenly remember her replying but like others stated, one scan of her about me and I didn't want anything to do with it. Anyway, I only have like two weeks left on my sub and I luckily found something ongoing and successful so I figured I'd message her back and troll her. All I can say is she is the Rinser of all rinsers lmaoo. Rinse & repeat if I may. Anyway I'm actually certain she's unemployed and just stays home all day or maybe she does have a job in cosmetology who knows? Same ol program. Good morning texts and what not, can't use her real number so she uses her imessage. Sweet and bubbly the whole nine. Can't meet at the moment bc she's too busy this that and the third. Then the home run swing for the fences moment, her roommate didn't pay the electricity for three months and the power is out at her house and she won't be able to text me when she's home. I gave her the run around for a few days and got her hopes up LOL. It was fun. It's soo crazy the amount of woman I've encountered of the last month who just come right out and ask for money. Or the first thing out there mouth is "oh my window is broken in the car" "oh it wasn't a good week my car broke down". I will say I found a few with reasonable PPM and knew how to play things. But it took a sea of messaging and all in all, this site is a pain in theeee cheeks dealing with everything and is draining. If you have the patience for it all then by all means. But I'll be glad when my sub is up and I can rid myself of it haha. Got lucky and found what I needed for the time being and had a few laughs.[/QUOTE]Bro thank you for trolling her and validating that she really was just playing the long game. I will say she is good, VERY good. Has real conversations, sends nudes unprompted, and everything. I got a couple texts saying " I know this is outa nowhere and I don't want you to think this is all I'm after but my car insurance is due and I really can't afford it" yada yada. I said sure, just email me the bill and she said she would but never did and her energy and good morning texts stopped LOL. Nothing was sent because she was bullshitting and had no bill to send.

Funny enough she claims to work all fucking day in a salon and claims to fall asleep by 7 pm. My buddy texted her and she said she was getting drinks with her bitches on a Wednesday night at 8 pm. She's just one of those smart scammers because she confirms other simps send her money without meeting when I had an argument with her.

A ghetto ass ***** that goes out on weeknights is not a ***** I want to waste time let alone money on. Her bio was full of contradictions and I still tried because I had some great crazy pussy in the past. This ***** will get fat and old and with no money once she becomes unfuckable. Sucks for her types.

What was her number? Curious if she's adjusted her expectations at all.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6998822]I've met her. Cute. A very nice lady. 36 YO. Has 3 kids. It shows on her body once we got behind closed doors. Still, a nice shape to her but not who I want to have a long term arrangement with.

She was fun but we are not a match.

Maybe one of you gents might be a good match? Mostly available Mondays or Fridays.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WaltoDerri267;6999469]Funny enough I threatened to drive to the police station and she didn't budge. It seemed she feared who ever she was working with more than the cops. She even cited that I had already booked the room so it would be lost money and I was like yeah. That's why I'm even more pissed than normal LOL she had zero shame.[/QUOTE]Wait, I'm a bit confused. You met this. Girl on SA? Did you do a meet and greet with her to gage compatibility and PPM?

Suggesting a platonic M&G helps me weed out scammers. Many fakes will ask for $ upfront or to meet for the M&G. That makes them an instant PASS. I found it's a good screening, filtering tool. In some cases I'll discuss PPM/ Allowance before agreeing to meet for the M&G . In extreme cases I'll do a video chat. Point is these things take time, time scammers aren't willing to spend. But vetting saves me.


My point is that if not, and you're using the site like an escort site, (no judgement) then in that case, ALL of "the rules" apply.

One of the things that took me a long time to learn was that there's no price to safely. So if and when a Date goes south, GTFO with my health and property in tact. I learned to chalk those up to "tuition paid". Also had to budget as it were for the occasional loss. Really stinks to have the prize in sight and have to walk away.

Now that I think of it, I guess I have developed / evolved a style that's polite, laid-back but VERY firm I think girls can sense I'm serious and firm (and if need be, take a partial loss) and that focuses them quickly. They have to decide to get something or nothing Or they need to realize I'm not going to play their game.

Come to think about it, had a related example last night. Met a girl that was highly promoted by dudes. Anyway, pick her up and get into the PPM discussion. She wouldn't state an amount, and since I don't bid against myself I lowballed her: think street rates. THEN she came back with her figure which was GPS. Blah, blah, blah was her story. We did a little back and forth, before I turned the car around and headed back to where I picked her up. Sure I would have lost a deposit, wasted time and gone home with blue balls, but better that than fall for her GPS scam. So we get 2 blocks from her house and the reality set in. She was about to get nothing. Suddenly her game was over and she got reasonable. But would not have gotten there if I wasn't calm, cool and collected and NOT willing to play her game.

I dunno, make such a style could work for you too?

I don't risk health or property either when engaging in this.

I'm going to be honest though but most girls I message I actually end up passing on them.

Stuff like filtered pictures or an incoherent bio is basically an automatic no from me.

Also if I slightly detect that the girl in the profile isn't actually the girl I'm chatting with, then I also move on.

It's very hard for any girl on that site to actually make it with me.

I even have my profile hidden from search completely so no one can find me. They would have to wait until I message them first LOL.

But this is just how I use the site. Push all the low quality away and distance myself from it, and only selectively pick certain ones.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6999791]Wait, I'm a bit confused. You met this. Girl on SA? Did you do a meet and greet with her to gage compatibility and PPM?

Suggesting a platonic M&G helps me weed out scammers. Many fakes will ask for $ upfront or to meet for the M&G. That makes them an instant PASS. I found it's a good screening, filtering tool. In some cases I'll discuss PPM/ Allowance before agreeing to meet for the M&G . In extreme cases I'll do a video chat. Point is these things take time, time scammers aren't willing to spend. But vetting saves me.


My point is that if not, and you're using the site like an escort site, (no judgement) then in that case, ALL of "the rules" apply.

One of the things that took me a long time to learn was that there's no price to safely. So if and when a Date goes south, GTFO with my health and property in tact. I learned to chalk those up to "tuition paid". Also had to budget as it were for the occasional loss. Really stinks to have the prize in sight and have to walk away.

Now that I think of it, I guess I have developed / evolved a style that's polite, laid-back but VERY firm I think girls can sense I'm serious and firm (and if need be, take a partial loss) and that focuses them quickly. They have to decide to get something or nothing Or they need to realize I'm not going to play their game.

Come to think about it, had a related example last night. Met a girl that was highly promoted by dudes. Anyway, pick her up and get into the PPM discussion. She wouldn't state an amount, and since I don't bid against myself I lowballed her: think street rates. THEN she came back with her figure which was GPS. Blah, blah, blah was her story. We did a little back and forth, before I turned the car around and headed back to where I picked her up. Sure I would have lost a deposit, wasted time and gone home with blue balls, but better that than fall for her GPS scam. So we get 2 blocks from her house and the reality set in. She was about to get nothing. Suddenly her game was over and she got reasonable. But would not have gotten there if I wasn't calm, cool and collected and NOT willing to play her game.

I dunno, make such a style could work for you too?[/QUOTE]Yes I did meet her on SA, and I usually do a M&G to see what our compatibility is like. Funny enough, on their sugar forums on reddit they are actively teaching and discouraging each other from doing unpaid meets MGs which is hilarious LOL but that's a another topic.

I have noticed the pattern of when I do not do this I often end up with an unpleasant experience but I was just stood up 3 times before and I just wanted to get my rocks off.

I usually vet via phone call because I can gauge their personality better by their voice as well. This is what I get for being a vet and disregarding the rules even once when I know better. I just wanted to warn others to avoid this *****. I confirmed with another buddy that she pulled the same sob story on him days apart so it was most definitely an elaborate set up.

I'm recreating my SA profile after some time away. Previously, I had a regular picture but I've decided I want to be a bit more discreet this time, so I'm using a face blurred picture. However, seeking is saying that my photo is "Not Primary Eligible". What's the deal with this? Is it because of the blur? Plenty of women have main photos that don't show their face.

SA is also rejecting my nickname with the error "Please use a real name. ". WTF, who doesn't use a fake name on seeking and how the hell would they know? The nickname I choose is a regular name.

Is this because I haven't paid for the premium membership yet? I wanted to set up the profile first.

[QUOTE=MisterMister46;7005072]I'm recreating my SA profile after some time away. Previously, I had a regular picture but I've decided I want to be a bit more discreet this time, so I'm using a face blurred picture. However, seeking is saying that my photo is "Not Primary Eligible". What's the deal with this? Is it because of the blur? Plenty of women have main photos that don't show their face.

SA is also rejecting my nickname with the error "Please use a real name. ". WTF, who doesn't use a fake name on seeking and how the hell would they know? The nickname I choose is a regular name.

Is this because I haven't paid for the premium membership yet? I wanted to set up the profile first.[/QUOTE]A possible work around would be use a pic of your self in one of the paid photo search apps. Choose one of the pics of the doppelganger that the app thinks might be you. That now is your face pic to keep SA happy and you are still anonymous.

[QUOTE=WaltoDerri267;7000534]Yes I did meet her on SA, and I usually do a M&G to see what our compatibility is like. Funny enough, on their sugar forums on reddit they are actively teaching and discouraging each other from doing unpaid meets MGs which is hilarious LOL but that's a another topic.

[/QUOTE]Perhaps you are in the wrong subreddit? Like the SexWokersOnly sub there are a bunch of subs that are inhabited by men-hating, risers and pro girls that become a toxic echo chamber.

It's hard enough with "influencers" on TikTok and other SM platforms telling girls that they can get all of the luxuries in the world with an "online only" Sugar Daddy. No sex required!

For me this isn't escort-lite dating as I am interested in a true, traditional Sugar RELATIONSHIP! But sigh, girls report a lot of dudes act like Johns and don't get why they get rejected. Don't know if there is a shift where P2 P sex is more acceptable these days or more guys on line are wandering into the Sugar Bowl with a lack of knowledge, but it is an order of magnitude harder to Sugar in the last 5 years.

[QUOTE=MisterMister46;7005072]I'm recreating my SA profile after some time away. Previously, I had a regular picture but I've decided I want to be a bit more discreet this time, so I'm using a face blurred picture. However, seeking is saying that my photo is "Not Primary Eligible". What's the deal with this? Is it because of the blur? Plenty of women have main photos that don't show their face.

SA is also rejecting my nickname with the error "Please use a real name. ". WTF, who doesn't use a fake name on seeking and how the hell would they know? The nickname I choose is a regular name.

Is this because I haven't paid for the premium membership yet? I wanted to set up the profile first.[/QUOTE]I usually use somewhat publicly available picture of myself maybe two or three but set my setting to private so that only people I allow to see my photos can see them. I thought the user names were the only thing publicly visible but it's been a while since I've used the site!