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[QUOTE=BamBam;6353913]Looks like Zaddyari is back. Gala girl and GPS for you newcomers.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/a7f69b13f2d19f0e[/URL]
BAM.[/QUOTE]
She remembers me and we are chatting on text. I suspect she will ghost having seen my offer. Bee sting lips, rock hard boobs and artificial butts are a turn-off for me. I have her PII / SM and WA is reporting accurately.
BAM.
[QUOTE=EndlessBanquet;6353931]
I have been on a couple other sugar dates in the pool here and for some reason everyone just feels different. It's so transactional in nature and honestly the girls just do not match up. My question to the community is did I truly hit a diamond in the rough or are there others out there? Part of my feels the bar has been set so high this may be one and done for me or maybe the arrangement we had transpired outside the bounds of a normal arrangement into relationship territory. And secondly, has anyone else had an arrangement this long and when things ended, did you face similar thoughts etc?[/QUOTE]My thoughts: I went through some similar experiences during my first few years in the bowl. The shear impact of going from near celibacy to banging a hot young chick was so intoxicating that I got hit with a few serious bouts of total infatuation. Fortunately, I eventually got over them. Many such experiences are possible.
It is almost always a mistake to started acting like a potential life partner instead of an older mentor with benefits. It *does* sound like you got lucky (or unlucky depending) the first time out. Your recent experiences may feel different because you have not fully recovered from the infatuation. It is also the case, for me, that the longer I see someone the better and more intimate the sex gets. I have a few SB's I have been seeing for years and we are really good friends but nothing more. A good strategy to get over one chick is to find and bang a much hotter chick. Temporarily pay a little more to step up your choices. The sex can get back to what you are expecting. You just have to keep going out.
It is possible to find other coeds or young babies who can match the sexual experience. You should *not* want to repeat the romantic involvement. You *do* want to avoid allowing too much overlap between your world and hers. A sugar baby will almost always move on eventually. You may also want to be a bit more selective in the ones you see. There are a lot of pro and semi-pro women on Seeking. I recommend you just practice catch-and-release until you find someone you want to keep seeing.
You are not the first guy to go through this. There are regular reports of guys falling in love with and getting married to either their SB or some pro escort. They just as frequently wind up divorcing them. Women in the bowl or in the hobby are almost never suitable life partners for older men. You are not alone. It will get easier and better. I hope this helps!
BAM
I think you did hit a diamond, but that's not to say it couldn't happen again. I am polar opposite of you, I am basically a one and done and move on. Some SB are cool with that, and some text me wanting and almost begging to meet back up. I don't have an ego and I know its almost always the $$ they are after, but a few of them have seemed pretty genuine and even offered some non sugar related activities to do.
My point is that I'd say 80% are in it for the quick buck, but there is that 20% that might want something closer to what you are looking for. If you want that again, I'd keep searching. You may get lucky twice.
[QUOTE=EndlessBanquet;6353931]I know this forum has been more for cross sharing notes on SBs but wanted some thoughts from the group on a personal experience. For the past 2 years I have had a great arrangement with a SB where we really felt a truly great connection (not sure if anyone met her as well but I believe her account was littlebaby21 before it was deactivated.) We met almost on a weekly basis and enjoyed dinners, movies at her place, and even worked out together at the gym together. I guess I was lucky as this was my first real arrangement. And it really checked all the boxes, she was really into fitness and had a killer bod, super easy going, and college student at Miami who could actually hold a good deep convo with you.
She recently informed me that she has met someone and also she did not feel our arrangement was not fair to the guy as well as I believe she was rethinking the whole concept of sugar dating. It was a bit rough to hear, as honestly we had become so close over time.
I have been on a couple other sugar dates in the pool here and for some reason everyone just feels different. It's so transactional in nature and honestly the girls just do not match up. My question to the community is did I truly hit a diamond in the rough or are there others out there? Part of my feels the bar has been set so high this may be one and done for me or maybe the arrangement we had transpired outside the bounds of a normal arrangement into relationship territory. And secondly, has anyone else had an arrangement this long and when things ended, did you face similar thoughts etc?[/QUOTE]
Sorry for the length. They just keep piling up.
MysteriousDuchess: Classic scammer.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4db0619d-3c50-4023-b226-3f3d587fa242[/URL]
Veronica: Fuzzy pic, kid in pic, terse, high likelihood a scammer! Taking me straight to text, then immediately blocked me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e125d567-433c-4582-b62d-25c8428731b8[/URL]
Sweet Sandy: TGTBT, taking straight to text. Living in Maysville with her mother. Using WV #, making excuses to avoid video chat. Profile says 24 voice sounds like a 44yo smoker.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b8401fef-759c-48b5-b1bb-e4dac3bc73dc[/URL]
Sinfullsweet42069: Very sus! Not conclusive,
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8377526c-a0a2-451e-8100-a0a5faef8bb8[/URL]
Rita: Classic crypto-scammer. Taking me straight to text. Then immediately blocked me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a0df223f-42a8-40e9-9539-4b69f800dbd6[/URL]
BAM
[QUOTE=BamBam;6355343]She remembers me and we are chatting on text. I suspect she will ghost having seen my offer. Bee sting lips, rock hard boobs and artificial butts are a turn-off for me. I have her PII / SM and WA is reporting accurately.
BAM.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. She was an INCREDIBLY beautiful woman until she went artificial. To each their own, but it's a total turn-off for me.
Meeting her this afternoon, can't find any intel on her. She seems legit, but TBD.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c9d10ea2-248e-751d-5763-35c98039d393[/URL]
Having an ongoing convo with her, she seems legit and willing to meet. A little young for my taste but pretty.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7db3ad93-f94f-4e59-8edd-26387550d951[/URL]
Gave me her number early, seems eager to meet, no red flags.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/399d3b82-7f6a-4669-8391-5a2f2349fd60[/URL]
Meeting her this afternoon. Seems legit, didn't find any posts for her. TBD.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11c9e491-eb15-4a94-af7a-6590f753486f[/URL]
Postponed to next week, jury still out, fingers crossed.
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6356133]Meeting her this afternoon, can't find any intel on her. She seems legit, but TBD.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c9d10ea2-248e-751d-5763-35c98039d393[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6357616]Meeting her this afternoon. Seems legit, didn't find any posts for her. TBD.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11c9e491-eb15-4a94-af7a-6590f753486f[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6357617]Postponed to next week, jury still out, fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]This one's face looks a lot like Raylee's, although I haven't had any interactions with her (nor requested her private photos). But that height is not correct, unless that's purposely done.
Just wanted to let everyone know that Seeking has suspended me for "Spamming." I have no clue how I could have triggered that conclusion. I suspect I am the victim of a revenge report from one of the scammers. I am appealing and they sent me an email saying they opened a ticket on my case. Meanwhile I am off the site until I hear back.
BAM
[QUOTE=BamBam;6358124]Just wanted to let everyone know that Seeking has suspended me for "Spamming." I have no clue how I could have triggered that conclusion. I suspect I am the victim of a revenge report from one of the scammers. I am appealing and they sent me an email saying they opened a ticket on my case. Meanwhile I am off the site until I hear back.
BAM[/QUOTE]Do you copy / paste the same opener repeatedly? Do you send a very large amount of messages over a short period of time? I wonder if they have automatic detection of what might be spam.
Do you block spammers swiftly? It's harder for them to report you if you preemptively block them.
This person is not Raylee.
KC.
[QUOTE=HTownHobbyist;6357760]This one's face looks a lot like Raylee's, although I haven't had any interactions with her (nor requested her private photos). But that height is not correct, unless that's purposely done.[/QUOTE]
This is not Raylee.
KC.
[QUOTE=HTownHobbyist;6357760]This one's face looks a lot like Raylee's, although I haven't had any interactions with her (nor requested her private photos). But that height is not correct, unless that's purposely done.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6358420]Do you copy / paste the same opener repeatedly? Do you send a very large amount of messages over a short period of time? I wonder if they have automatic detection of what might be spam.
Do you block spammers swiftly? It's harder for them to report you if you preemptively block them.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I've been using copy and paste messages since I joined the site for the first time in 2011. I have *never* had a problem.
If you don't want to meet her on SB or SA you can meet her at cheeks in Dayton. She's back there.
An interesting article from Cory Doctorow about how online platforms start by offering value to both sellers and buyers, then end up extracting value from both in order to funnel as much money as possible to the venue's shareholders / owners.
[URL]https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/[/URL]
Doctorow is writing about Facebook, Amazon, and TikTok, but the same thing applies to Seeking.
1.) Seeking began with a simple value proposition for both male and female members. We might think of men as "buyers", and the women as "sellers".
2.) The site offered college girls (and a lot of young single moms) an online venue where they could find trustworthy sugar daddies with low transaction costs.
3.) The site offered men who were *not* happy with the usual older, rough-looking escorts a place where they could find youngish girl-next-door types who would be willing to provide intimate companionship for moderate amounts of money. Transaction costs were low for buyers, too.
4.) Anyone who was a member of the site through 2018 or so agrees that it was great, with the peak probably occurring between 2012 and 2016.
5.) Seeking rapidly edged out other sites to achieve a virtual monopoly in the online sugar dating market. In 2011, SugarDaddyforMe was a good site. By 2013 it was dying. At present, there is no viable alternative to Seeking, because of the inherent network effect of a niche dating market.
6.) Then Seeking started raising fees. In the beginning, a membership was $50 per month. A membership now costs $110 per month.
7.) This price increase took place even as the Seeking experience was deteriorating for male members. Scammers, fake accounts, and inappropriate members (too many older women who are looking for conventional dating experiences) now comprise more than 60% of the female profiles.
8.) Then the rebranding of Valentine's Day 2022. Seeking basically became an eHarmony with 10 x the price tag. The sugar daddy value proposition used to be displayed on the splash page. Now that is gone, and Seeking is indistinguishable from any conventional dating site. This was mostly done to protect Brandon Wade (the owner) from any possible legal liabilities. (Also, Wade claimed to have fallen in love with a woman 30 years his junior.).
9.) The rebranding hurt female members as much as the men. Nowadays, I'm seeing so many profiles from middle-age (35- to 50-year-old) women looking for their next trophy husband. But how many of them are going to find that on Seeking? They would be much better off on Match, eHarmony, or even Tinder.
10.) At the same time, the site's messaging is unclear to young women who might actually be looking for a sugar daddy, à la 2013. (Keep in mind, a 19-year-old in 2022 wasn't on the site in 2013 or 2016; and she is not necessarily aware of the site's history.).
11.) I predict that Seeking will enter a death spiral at some point soon, and a new platform will arise. We need a new venue that connects ordinary women with paying gents for hookups, but still gives them some measure of discrimination (the ability to pick and choose the men they hang with), and that avoids the dreaded "escort" or "sex worker" connotation. This is what Seeking used to do. Now it doesn't.
12.) I can't see where Seeking provides a good value proposition to anyone right now, either men or women. Even the scammers are wasting their time on the site.
[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6358420]Do you copy / paste the same opener repeatedly? Do you send a very large amount of messages over a short period of time? I wonder if they have automatic detection of what might be spam.
Do you block spammers swiftly? It's harder for them to report you if you preemptively block them.[/QUOTE]I have been on the site since 2014. I have used a standard approach for most of that time. I have modified my approach from time to time. Today, I alternate a few approaches in which I change three or four words each time. I have not been blocking scammers. Instead, I send them a brief note saying hello and some minor politeness. Doing so allows me to confirm if they are truly scammers. On a few rare occasions, they are not. It is possible Seeking admins are looking for a lot of messages in a defined period. I chat with a lot of people. The day before the ban, I had ten messages in my inbox. I may have sent out another dozen or so approaches or follow-ups. Perhaps it's a numbers thing.
In any case, they declined my appeal and I have requested a refund and that they delete my credit card info from all their systems. They said I was being banned from Seeking and all their sister accounts but my account on WYP, under a different email, is still active. I also have an unpaid back-up account that I can use to view profiles. I can still answer questions from memory. I am pretty sure I know what I must do to get back on the site but I am going to take a break from Seeking and experiment with a few of the alternatives. Maybe I can develop my skills on those sites to match my performance on Seeking.
The real tragedy for me is that I had accumulated a ton of data on various profiles that I had saved via profile notes. Those are now gone. I am going to have to revert to my older notes system which was a lot more work. More work means being a lot more selective on what I save.
Tally ho!
BAM.
I've been banned for no reason for a couple of years and would like to get back on SA. What's the process for getting back on?
1 New email.
2 Use a gift / visa card.
Is that what has to be done?
When you get banned they keep:
IP address, account email, card number used for membership, your name and card address info, any pictures you used.
What to do to get back website.
Clear browser cache, Use VPN (may not be necessary), new email (outlook works), new payment card, use different pictures. Don't pay for a few days after you create a new account. Wait for pics to be approved. Then away you go. If you pay for a membership (Vanilla gift card may work, if not use it for gas). Don't enter your previously used name, address or zip code. You will get banned again. You can put any zip code you want when you activate a gift card. You can create multiple accounts using several email addresses with outlook. [EMAIL]JohnDoe1@outlook.com[/EMAIL] [EMAIL]JohnDoe2@outlook.com[/EMAIL] etc.
Good luck.
There are reports that they can also track your IP address and ban you that way too.
[QUOTE=Decatur21;6359525]There are reports that they can also track your IP address and ban you that way too.[/QUOTE]For using a VPN or cell hotspot.
The source IP changes every time you use it.
Also, if you're not on Spectrum and use Altafiber, when you swap out your router (not the fiber node) you'll get a different IP.
[QUOTE=CooperTown;6359069]I've been banned for no reason for a couple of years and would like to get back on SA. What's the process for getting back on?
1 New email.
2 Use a gift / visa card.
Is that what has to be done?[/QUOTE]You should also get a new device-not too expensive if it's a burner phone. Avoid your current location and IP like the plague. Maybe layer in a VPN. I have not tried to get back on myself. When I do, I will track all my steps and publish them. I am also toying with the idea of making more than one and offering them as rentals or auctioning them off. Once I find a reliable, repeatable process, I could save banned people a lot of wasted effort.
BAM.
She was on the site about 9 months ago. We had a MnG planned (just dinner, no $$ expectation) and she blocked my snap and deleted her SA account about 24 hours before the planned meeting.
Let me know if you made it further.
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6356337]Gave me her number early, seems eager to meet, no red flags.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/399d3b82-7f6a-4669-8391-5a2f2349fd60[/URL][/QUOTE]
Curvy blonde, looks like a pro. I don't see any posts so maybe not. Supposed to meet Wednesday.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a3f89f68-c19b-4bec-969a-e61315c74f7d[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6356337]Gave me her number early, seems eager to meet, no red flags.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/399d3b82-7f6a-4669-8391-5a2f2349fd60[/URL][/QUOTE]Talked to her a few months ago. She was going by CaringChick. This girl had really bad communication skills. Very frustrating to deal with. Plus she looked pretty bad in one of the pics she sent me so I passed.
[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6361437]Curvy blonde, looks like a pro. I don't see any posts so maybe not. Supposed to meet Wednesday.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a3f89f68-c19b-4bec-969a-e61315c74f7d[/URL][/QUOTE]My best guess is that it's a fake account, but do let us know how it goes.
Also, for those who are claiming that certain accounts are "real", the only way to verify that is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat.
[QUOTE=ToddCincy;6358823]
7.) This price increase took place even as the Seeking experience was deteriorating for male members. Scammers, fake accounts, and inappropriate members (too many older women who are looking for conventional dating experiences) now comprise more than 60% of the female profiles.
12.) I can't see where Seeking provides a good value proposition to anyone right now, either men or women. Even the scammers are wasting their time on the site.[/QUOTE]7) I will put that at 80%.
12) Agreed.
[QUOTE=BamBam;6358124]Just wanted to let everyone know that Seeking has suspended me.....[/QUOTE]You are not missing much.
[QUOTE=HTownHobbyist;6362528]Also, for those who are claiming that certain accounts are "real", the only way to verify that is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat.[/QUOTE]Should we take this literally = The only way to verify that (X is real) is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat. Or, are you really saying the 'best way' vs 'only way'? Not starting an argument. Seeking clarification.
ArtisticModel, StunningInfluencer, WarmAphrodite, and LovingDancer all appeared on Seeking on the same day from London, Ohio, with no profile description, and are Asian in late 20s/early 30's. You know what that means lol
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5b6e54c0-8f9f-4103-b0cb-803b243326da[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2ad07be6-59a1-4cec-b039-6ccde7cd4a4a[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2732f060-1799-40b6-a04e-0712d221fc3e[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3fb9c4d4-a6e2-4540-9b33-fdf3df8dc4fd[/URL]
Lynn is spamming / messaging multiple accounts on Seeking without any prior contact. Pic looks TGTBT for Cincy LOL.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34795094-27e1-4b89-832b-666b60a93850[/URL]
Does the face on most of the profile pics look like its been photoshopped on or poorly modified? Look at the jaw line shadow
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/87da8f90-87c1-452f-af6c-9e6cd2455ece[/URL]
[QUOTE=HTownHobbyist;6362528]My best guess is that it's a fake account, but do let us know how it goes..[/QUOTE]Not a fake account. Beautiful woman with large derrière for those men who love it!
Not sure if everyone noticed:
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/ohio/cincinnati/118836836[/URL]
[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/armpGlEKA2vp81ZAPBoQYb7W[/URL]
BAM.
Profile says 34 but is actually 44. Gives off a pro vibe. I have her PII.
[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/y1WR8M2zJm6OjNG5GPLe7j6K[/URL]
BAM.
[QUOTE=Decatur21;6361581]Talked to her a few months ago. She was going by CaringChick. This girl had really bad communication skills. Very frustrating to deal with. Plus she looked pretty bad in one of the pics she sent me so I passed.[/QUOTE]Contacted her when she was CaringChick, got her number (Tx area code) but I don't live here but visit frequently. Said she was looking for one regular, initially quoted 2. 5. Reconnected with the new profile, sent me some pics and vids. One pic looks kinda rough, but may meet up with her this week. We'll see what happens. I'll let everyone know if anything does.
[QUOTE=BamBam;6365401]Not sure if everyone noticed:
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/ohio/cincinnati/118836836[/URL]
[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/armpGlEKA2vp81ZAPBoQYb7W[/URL]
BAM.[/QUOTE]Waste of time. Flaky. Low end motel in Springdale. 200 hhr. No hr. Next.
Plovee03 on SB is Paris Love on Eros. Pro with ratchet style and street attitude. Started off asking 300 ppm a years back and is now 700 ppm. Everything covered. Not GFE. All business. Screening requires facetime. Couple of reviews on the oThER site. YMMV.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/ff6e262961263d56[/URL]
[URL]https://www.eros.com/ohio/files/9295138.htm?cat=1[/URL]
Has anyone used a visa gift card to pay for seeking? Let me know how you got it to work?
Thanks.
Been chatting her, couldn't find any intel. She seems legit but not sure.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dab11f5a-8f35-43a3-81b4-31cb3a4b94a1[/URL]
In the past I used prepaid vanilla visa.
Recently I tried but charge was rejected.
I thought maybe tried to use card too quickly. So bought another card, waited a day and the new card was rejected.
Anybody have suggestions?
I will not buy a credit card to use for the hobby that requires my real I'd. I have up given on secret benefits because the charge is made from overseas and vanilla visa card only allows purchase in USA.
[QUOTE=BigMike9898;6372356]Has anyone used a visa gift card to pay for seeking? Let me know how you got it to work?
Thanks.[/QUOTE].