Sugar bowl sites and sugar babies

Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?

[QUOTE=Henry777;5117738]Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?[/QUOTE]I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

Thank you. It seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to justify a known bad idea.

[QUOTE=TampaBanker;5118270]I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TampaBanker;5118270]I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the tone of your message. This is a forum for everyone to discuss their opinions and experiences, you seem to believe it's like an algorithm that only you have discovered or implemented. There is no right or wrong, it's general feedback based on personal situations.

Your "free of charge advice" is nothing but an arrogant dissertation of how you know everything about everything. The best statement you made is "I normally don't participate in these forums. " I'd stick to that.

Anybody got any info on her. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Whaler;5118418]Anybody got any info on her. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]She is gtg and reasonable, can host but out in the boonies, nice body for someone her age.

[QUOTE=Sababaes;5114366]I agree with you 100%. I would not pay a penny ahead of time. It's gone for good, no matter how nice they are. That's how money works unfortunately, nothing to do with loyalty or honesty. Never ever front the money.[/QUOTE]I did this a few time, many years back when SA choices were more reliable and not out to suck your wallet dry.

I would get a couple meets in before I'd ask about doing a weekly arrangement for a set monthly budget. Usually enough to make a car payment of rent. Aggressive on an amount that worked for her and gave me a discount. I would break it up into payments as we met. She would have guaranteed cash flow to look forward to. Plus protecting me if things went south and started flaking. Which will always happen in time. 2 yrs is the longest one that worked out. Drugs then a felony convictions seem to put a damper on these. LOL Had 2 that ended that way.

Hannah (Union) and Holly (Stl) are both attempting to sell pictures and videos. Nichole (Arnold) has been very difficult to communicate with. She wanted to meet immediately, then we scheduled to meet at a different time and she stopped responding. A day later she apologize and wanted to schedule a make up and then stopped responding again. Will likely block number and move on.

[QUOTE=LeaveMWet;5118504]I did this a few time, many years back when SA choices were more reliable and not out to suck your wallet dry.

I would get a couple meets in before I'd ask about doing a weekly arrangement for a set monthly budget. Usually enough to make a car payment of rent. Aggressive on an amount that worked for her and gave me a discount. I would break it up into payments as we met. She would have guaranteed cash flow to look forward to. Plus protecting me if things went south and started flaking. Which will always happen in time. 2 yrs is the longest one that worked out. Drugs then a felony convictions seem to put a damper on these. LOL Had 2 that ended that way.[/QUOTE]Yes. This is a very interesting approach makes sense. What would you do if one or the other of you wast not able to make it for one or more of the weeks?

In that case, according to my understanding your arrangement, she would not get her full monthly rent for that month?

[QUOTE=Henry777;5119654]Yes. This is a very interesting approach makes sense. What would you do if one or the other of you wast not able to make it for one or more of the weeks?

In that case, according to my understanding your arrangement, she would not get her full monthly rent for that month?[/QUOTE]Make it up and do it twice one week. I'd usually pre plan and do that before Aunt Flow came to visit.

First one lasted 2 months then she started flaking and forgetting our appt. Over sleep, etc.

Last one I did was due to the fact her loser bf she picked was lazy and wouldn't work, got her into trouble.

Burglary. Busted. But that was a fun weekly arrangement for over a year and half.

Anyone got any info on her? I'm pretty sure she's on SA as well. I'm not on SA but have seen her on SB.

[QUOTE=LeaveMWet;5120216]Make it up and do it twice one week. I'd usually pre plan and do that before Aunt Flow came to visit.

First one lasted 2 months then she started flaking and forgetting our appt. Over sleep, etc.

Last one I did was due to the fact her loser bf she picked was lazy and wouldn't work, got her into trouble.

Burglary. Busted. But that was a fun weekly arrangement for over a year and half.[/QUOTE]I have two UTR's currently visiting Vandalia. I miss fucking them. I do know from experience, when they get out usually I get a lot of ass of next to nothing at first until they fall back into the habits which got them there in the first place. Personally I kinda enjoy fucking a woman with an ankle bracelet LOL.

Check hotels, many are introducing a "day" and "night" rate. Actually very innovative when you look at the hotel model with COVID that has rendered occupancy rates of 30% instead of 80% on average.

Marriott, as an example (can't say it's corporate wide, but some are doing it, including one I used last week) is offering a rate from 6 AM to 6 PM for half price. I paid $57 instead of the $114 corporate rate, which applies if you don't check out by 6 PM. For example, if you check in at 4 PM and check out the next day at normal check out time, it's $114.

A very nice option when you don't need a room for an overnight. They're marketing it as an office for a day, but of course, not for those that are looking for several hours like a no tell, cheap, motel. Of course, a big market will be those who use the room like us, an afternoon kind of thing.

I think I know this girl and have seen her. She has had a couple profiles on Seeking over the years but I don't think she has one now. If interested contact me and I will give you her social media.

[QUOTE=Hadley6;5121992]Anyone got any info on her? I'm pretty sure she's on SA as well. I'm not on SA but have seen her on SB.[/QUOTE]

She doesn't live in Fenton and wasted an entire day. Not worth typing everything out, but I'd suggest passing.