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Thought I would try Zen again since they have been advertising "new management" to see if anything has changed. New management same service. Although I will say the massage was good and the flip was the usual, okay but not exceptional, but after the flip and the HE I got another 20 minutes of massage on the arms, legs, scalp, shoulders, in all well over the 60 minutes so was pretty happy. Girl's name was Loobe and she was attractive enough and not terribly old.
GTG.
Lurked for a few months here, only fair that I return the favor for info I've received. Went to Green Spa about two months ago. Had a pleasant visit with Maya. Massage was excellent, accommodating actually, and she was very attractive and not shy at all about her work. Had to wait a few minutes for someone else to finish up but it was well worth it. Thinking of heading back that way soon. Massage was 70 - and I actually got change back, which was a pleasant change, tipped 40. Too bad parking is a bit exposed, but given what you would expect about the service, I have no complaints and left happy. I don't get to enjoy it very often, but I'll try to add my 2 cents down the road.
Can anybody tell me about Gabby or Ashley? The new rates are 100 dollars for an hour which is kind of steep to take one for the team. Any recon or info you can provide would be greatly appreciated!
[QUOTE=Voyrinsc;2337338]Can anybody tell me about Gabby or Ashley? The new rates are 100 dollars for an hour which is kind of steep to take one for the team. Any recon or info you can provide would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]It's literally been years since I've been there but back when they were $85, I'd always pay $100 at the desk and hand my change to the girl so $100 now is no big deal for me. If the massage was amazing, I'd tip more but that was always the bottom line.
Not sure if I can get by there anytime soon but, unless something has changed in a big way, I never left without "basic service" so you know you can count on that. Personally, I'd go for it and tip appropriately. Maybe, pull out a wad of $20's when you pay (in front of your girl) so she knows you HAVE cash and you can subtly imply that she has to work to get it.
I hear you John. I agree with you too about tipping the difference. Problem for me is that the full $100 goes to the house and then tip to the girl on top of that. I know she gets a portion of the house fee, but I still go back to supply and demand and the AMPs that are driving the market and undercutting Vitality, but that's another topic for discussion.
I decided to stop by to do a simple recon trip. Ashley is a young thin red head. I think I saw her before and was rather disappointed and frustrated. Gabby is an older dirty blonde who had on scrubs, but she has "the look" that would make me think my time would be enjoyable. Here's the bad news. They told me Tina is no longer working there. I decided to move on and provide my funds to a visiting lady. She was a little on the heavier side, but she was GFE and we had a relaxing time.
I think I'm done for a while. The "hobby" is just not what it used to be, for me at least.
Take care and good luck to you.
[QUOTE=JohnStillBored;2337535]It's literally been years since I've been there but back when they were $85, I'd always pay $100 at the desk and hand my change to the girl so $100 now is no big deal for me. If the massage was amazing, I'd tip more but that was always the bottom line.
Not sure if I can get by there anytime soon but, unless something has changed in a big way, I never left without "basic service" so you know you can count on that. Personally, I'd go for it and tip appropriately. Maybe, pull out a wad of $20's when you pay (in front of your girl) so she knows you HAVE cash and you can subtly imply that she has to work to get it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Voyrinsc;2338327]I hear you John. I agree with you too about tipping the difference. Problem for me is that the full $100 goes to the house and then tip to the girl on top of that. I know she gets a portion of the house fee, but I still go back to supply and demand and the AMPs that are driving the market and undercutting Vitality, but that's another topic for discussion.
I decided to stop by to do a simple recon trip. Ashley is a young thin red head. I think I saw her before and was rather disappointed and frustrated. Gabby is an older dirty blonde who had on scrubs, but she has "the look" that would make me think my time would be enjoyable. Here's the bad news. They told me Tina is no longer working there. I decided to move on and provide my funds to a visiting lady. She was a little on the heavier side, but she was GFE and we had a relaxing time.
I think I'm done for a while. The "hobby" is just not what it used to be, for me at least.
Take care and good luck to you.[/QUOTE]Definitely easier to tip the difference when there's a difference to tip. It's kind of hard to play off handing the desk a $100 and a $20 for a $100 massage and then saying "Oh right, here you go. ".
My issue there was that precious few of the ladies ever got the idea that when I tipped the difference, it was only the beginning.
I can't imagine Ashley lasting very long if she doesn't at least offer the minimum service that the clients there expect. If she's been there a while, she might be getting better, maybe. Who did you see? I don't mind a LITTLE heavy if a GFE is in the cards.
[QUOTE=JohnStillBored;2338340]Definitely easier to tip the difference when there's a difference to tip. It's kind of hard to play off handing the desk a $100 and a $20 for a $100 massage and then saying "Oh right, here you go. ".
My issue there was that precious few of the ladies ever got the idea that when I tipped the difference, it was only the beginning.
I can't imagine Ashley lasting very long if she doesn't at least offer the minimum service that the clients there expect. If she's been there a while, she might be getting better, maybe. Who did you see? I don't mind a LITTLE heavy if a GFE is in the cards.[/QUOTE]I went last week but haven't had time to post. I saw Ashley and the massage was fairly poor and the ending was mechanical at best. I asked her to slow down at the end so I could prolong the pleasure and she took her hand off me and said "tell me when you want me to start again". She has no clue or doesn't want to be there.
I will not return unless something radical changes.
[QUOTE=Dairyman;2338413]I went last week but haven't had time to post. I saw Ashley and the massage was fairly poor and the ending was mechanical at best. I asked her to slow down at the end so I could prolong the pleasure and she took her hand off me and said "tell me when you want me to start again". She has no clue or doesn't want to be there.
I will not return unless something radical changes.[/QUOTE]Ugh. I hate it when they just don't get it.
I can't count the number of times I've asked them to do the end topless and they just pull their top down enough to let the girls out. It's not exactly what I meant.
I have had situations like that before and I've had to help the girl out by putting my hand over hers and physically slowing her down. It helps if she's into it too, like if I can do that with one hand and play with her with the other or something.
[QUOTE=JohnStillBored;2338340]Definitely easier to tip the difference when there's a difference to tip. It's kind of hard to play off handing the desk a $100 and a $20 for a $100 massage and then saying "Oh right, here you go. ".
My issue there was that precious few of the ladies ever got the idea that when I tipped the difference, it was only the beginning.
I can't imagine Ashley lasting very long if she doesn't at least offer the minimum service that the clients there expect. If she's been there a while, she might be getting better, maybe. Who did you see? I don't mind a LITTLE heavy if a GFE is in the cards.[/QUOTE]Many years ago-25+ some may remember Meg and other ladies around the same time the fee was 60 and I would normally tip 20 or maybe 30 for a HJ. Then after years Sue said that they were going to take the tip upfront so it would be 80 I turned around walked out and never went back. At that time I was a super regular at least 6 times a month. I knew about Sue and Jimmie and Anita and most of the entire history. I also knew what Sue (the Owner) felt about customers and it was not good. That was many years ago and today if I was a good massage I go to an AMP or CMT and if I want GFE I go to upscale provider. I totally gave up on trying to find both services in the same person. One of the reasons is that in my experience is that if the massage person is GFE then the next time she pretty much skips over the massage part or it is very much lack luster and starts the GFE side. Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=ChasMale;2338442] One of the reasons is that in my experience is that if the massage person is GFE then the next time she pretty much skips over the massage part or it is very much lack luster and starts the GFE side. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]That is remarkably valid. I found ONE over the years who did not fall into that category and we, unfortunately, had something of a falling out.
Right now, I actually NEED a good massage and years of this hobby has trained me to be incapable of getting a massage without getting horny LOL. That said, I need to find somewhere to take my frustrations soon.
This addresses how many Asian ladies get to the states and what it is all about. The issue of trafficking is specifically addressed. In all of the time I have visited AMPs in both the north and the south I have yet to meet a woman who even came close to making me think she was trafficked. That is also 100% true of the ladies I have seen here in Charleston.
Jack.
[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=2684[/URL]
[QUOTE=Member#4063;2338497]This addresses how many Asian ladies get to the states and what it is all about. The issue of trafficking is specifically addressed. In all of the time I have visited AMPs in both the north and the south I have yet to meet a woman who even came close to making me think she was trafficked. That is also 100% true of the ladies I have seen here in Charleston.
Jack.
[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=2684[/URL][/QUOTE]A few years back (2002) I got to know a woman at a spa in Marion who had been trafficked. She was ethnically Korean from northeastern China. She had indebted herself to the tune of $25,000 for the privilege of coming to the USA She paid off her debt after two years. She was one of the finest people I have ever met and I sort of adopted her.
As it turned out, she had hepatitis which eventually turned into cancer. She died in my home and in my arms in 2005.
That article should be printed and used for ass wiping.
LexLuther.
[QUOTE=JohnStillBored;2338340]Definitely easier to tip the difference when there's a difference to tip. It's kind of hard to play off handing the desk a $100 and a $20 for a $100 massage and then saying "Oh right, here you go. ".
My issue there was that precious few of the ladies ever got the idea that when I tipped the difference, it was only the beginning.
I can't imagine Ashley lasting very long if she doesn't at least offer the minimum service that the clients there expect. If she's been there a while, she might be getting better, maybe. Who did you see? I don't mind a LITTLE heavy if a GFE is in the cards.[/QUOTE]John,
The girl I saw was Tori. [URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ready-now-caution-o-extremely-enticing-2-girl-delight/10358462[/URL].
She's blonde and like I said, on the larger side, but she was clean. LFK and DFK were part of the GFE experience. Her oral skills were ok, enthusiasm was good, but the technique was a bit harsh. $1. For the half. Just set expectations low so I don't disappoint you.
Good luck to you.
Hey guys,
Anyone know if this chick is legit and not LE?
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/a-sophisticated-southern-young-lady/10344080[/URL]
Well I was in your fine city today, brought my own gal with me and on the way out going thru Mt Plesent just before I got to the cosmic dog on the right there was a sign out front of a shop saying massage 50.00 I hour since I had my entertainment with me I didn't stop, but it gives you guys something to check on, I knew I seen it before but couldn't remember exactly where, just sayin Roush.
[QUOTE=RomanKing;2340161]Hey guys,
Anyone know if this chick is legit and not LE?
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/a-sophisticated-southern-young-lady/10344080[/URL][/QUOTE]I have a little bit of information for Senior Members so PM me. Sorry- but members asking questions with only 1 post scare me.
[QUOTE=ChasMale;2340813]I have a little bit of information for Senior Members so PM me. Sorry- but members asking questions with only 1 post scare me.[/QUOTE]I'm going to add some information-- At first I felt that she might be very innocent. She had told me that she will never do in-calls via email and someone new had PM'd me that her Facebook page was linked to her phone number. I did a Tineye on her photos and nothing came up, not even her Facebook. And now I see BP ad's for Greenville and Myrtle Beach only one day apart. She make not be LEO IMHO but it still could be a cash and dash or even more. I'm now sorry that I said anything so "Be Careful out there" and if anyone has some real information please let us all know.
Went to Zen the last two days, leaving town so wanted to see the new talent. Candy is as cute as can be, very very skilled in all phases of the game. Great tight little body and very friendly. Lobbie (Ruby but bad pronunciation?) also very good, not quite as hot but still nice with very good skills. Highly recommend both. My favorite May is on vacation until Saturday.
Happy hunting be back in the summer.
Jack.
[QUOTE=Member#4063;2342102]Went to Zen the last two days, leaving town so wanted to see the new talent. Candy is as cute as can be, very very skilled in all phases of the game. Great tight little body and very friendly. Lobbie (Ruby but bad pronunciation?) also very good, not quite as hot but still nice with very good skills. Highly recommend both. My favorite May is on vacation until Saturday.
Happy hunting be back in the summer.
Jack.[/QUOTE]I want to know where Zen is. Could you PM me please?
[QUOTE=Member#4063;2342102]Went to Zen the last two days, leaving town so wanted to see the new talent. Candy is as cute as can be, very very skilled in all phases of the game. Great tight little body and very friendly. Lobbie (Ruby but bad pronunciation?) also very good, not quite as hot but still nice with very good skills. Highly recommend both. My favorite May is on vacation until Saturday.
Happy hunting be back in the summer.
Jack.[/QUOTE]Where is Zen? Could you please PM?
[QUOTE=AF123;2343691]Where is Zen? Could you please PM?[/QUOTE]3626 Ashley Phosphate Rd.
(843) 225-4992.
If you are coming from 26, go north (toward Dorchester) on Ashley Phosphate Rd. Zen will be on your right. Its in a small stand-alone building on your right, which is set back some from the road. So go slowly and keep your eyes open. Obviously, if you take Dorchester to Ashley Phosphate, you will go south on Ashley Phosphate toward 26.
Good luck, and if you want more help, you really need to do some reporting. Reporting on your experience at Zen would be a brilliant idea.
LexLuther.
[QUOTE=RomanKing;2340161]Hey guys,
Anyone know if this chick is legit and not LE?
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/a-sophisticated-southern-young-lady/10344080[/URL][/QUOTE]I have not seen her so I can't confirm any type of service. Howevah. I do remember her posting about a year back or so and up until a few days ago (when her ad first popped back up) the number was in fact linked to her facebook page. I did see it and friend requested her. She had plenty of pics posted and appears to be a real person. I think one of the pics in her ad was taken at Blu Restaurant at the Tides hotel on Folly beach so she appears to be local as she had some mutual facebook friends of mine.
I sound like a total stalker, I know LOL. Anyways, looks legit to me. I would bite if I was in the market but I have my plate too full now to add to it. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Member#4063;2299169]Sorry if I was confusing, Malisa told me that Jessica would not do HE, Malisa will make you very happy with also an excellent massage. I have not seen Jessica myself, but it seems from reports that what Malisa shared is correct.
I really don't have any interest in a provider that only gives a good massage when there are providers who do excellent work and make you happy. My latest is May at Zen.
Jack.[/QUOTE]You info is absolutely accurate.
[QUOTE=Roush427;2340345]Well I was in your fine city today, brought my own gal with me and on the way out going thru Mt Plesent just before I got to the cosmic dog on the right there was a sign out front of a shop saying massage 50.00 I hour since I had my entertainment with me I didn't stop, but it gives you guys something to check on, I knew I seen it before but couldn't remember exactly where, just sayin Roush.[/QUOTE]So, I stopped by this place this afternoon. It's called the Zen Den. It was closed but there was a phone number on the door. The owner, Gen, answered saying that it's usually $80/ hour but that there is an introductory special of $50 for an hour and then a subscription package of monthly massages that work out to about $69 per (I kid you not! I will be traveling for the next few weeks and so didn't schedule any time. So that's all I know for now. . .
LD.
[QUOTE=LurkingDog;2347902]So, I stopped by this place this afternoon. It's called the Zen Den. [/QUOTE]Their facebook page says: "The Zen Den is a cozy Christ-centered Massage & Bodyworks studio located in Mt. Pleasant, SC. We offer massages, wraps, scrubs & spa parties. ".
Don't think that's what we're looking for here.
Visiting.
Did a 30 minute session at Crystal on Dorchester. Found everything from provider to services lackluster, std. Finish. YMMV.
Zen just does everything well.
Peace.
[QUOTE=LurkingDog;2347902]So, I stopped by this place this afternoon. It's called the Zen Den. It was closed but there was a phone number on the door. The owner, Gen, answered saying that it's usually $80/ hour but that there is an introductory special of $50 for an hour and then a subscription package of monthly massages that work out to about $69 per (I kid you not! I will be traveling for the next few weeks and so didn't schedule any time. So that's all I know for now. . .
LD.[/QUOTE]For this market, $80 is high for an hour of of non-he massage. But I can't see a Christian place offering HEs.
LexLuther.
[QUOTE=LexLuther;2348039]For this market, $80 is high for an hour of of non-he massage. But I can't see a Christian place offering HEs.
LexLuther.[/QUOTE]Hmmmmm. I thought Christians were always willing to give others a helping hand. Did I miss something. . . . !
I agree with your overall assessment -- don't think I'll TOFTT this time.
LD.
[QUOTE=LurkingDog;2348158]Hmmmmm. I thought Christians were always willing to give others a helping hand. Did I miss something. . . . !
I agree with your overall assessment -- don't think I'll TOFTT this time.
LD.[/QUOTE]You guys crack my shit up! If only there was a "like" feature on here like facebook. You have no idea the number of times I read a post and want to like it because it is so damn funny, or just spot on!
Good luck and stay safe.
[QUOTE=LexLuther;2348039]For this market, $80 is high for an hour of of non-he massage. But I can't see a Christian place offering HEs.
LexLuther.[/QUOTE]I was thinking along the same lines. If you look at it from a price perspective, they almost have to be doing SOMETHING we want them to do. If you look at it from a Christian perspective, they almost can't.
On the other hand, they ARE in Mt. Pleasant and might just need a fig leaf of sorts. They may think that MPPD (and others) would never assume a fine upstanding Christian establishment such as theirs would ever allow anything untoward to happen behind locked doors.
But, if you look at their Facebook page, there's pictures of kids all over the place. That's both a red flag and a major turn off for me. To be fair, it looked like they were doing a day camp or something with face painting and such but still, you don't put up pictures of kids if you want US to come in for massages.
Booked an appt for tomorrow with this provider.
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/taste-of-europe-therapeutic-massage-bodywork-positive-energy-karma-power/9365086[/URL]
Do the brothers have any opinion before I go thru.
Much obliged.
NoVA.
[QUOTE=NoVA1234;2351671]Booked an appt for tomorrow with this provider.
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/taste-of-europe-therapeutic-massage-bodywork-positive-energy-karma-power/9365086[/URL]
Do the brothers have any opinion before I go thru.
Much obliged.
NoVA.[/QUOTE]I have been intrigued. Let us know.
[QUOTE=NoVA1234;2351671]Booked an appt for tomorrow with this provider.
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/taste-of-europe-therapeutic-massage-bodywork-positive-energy-karma-power/9365086[/URL]
Do the brothers have any opinion before I go thru.
Much obliged.
NoVA.[/QUOTE]Go for it-- very interested in the outcome.
Legit massage.
Decent massage, interesting person. Talks continuously and her voice carries.
If that's your thing, book a session. If you are looking for more, look elsewhere.
75/ h plus tip.
[QUOTE=NoVA1234;2351671]Booked an appt for tomorrow with this provider.
[URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/taste-of-europe-therapeutic-massage-bodywork-positive-energy-karma-power/9365086[/URL]
Do the brothers have any opinion before I go thru.
Much obliged.
NoVA.[/QUOTE]In reading the ad, I would be highly surprised if this were anything more than a massage. You should not expect any sensual services.
LexLuther.
[QUOTE=JohnStillBored;2349968]I was thinking along the same lines. If you look at it from a price perspective, they almost have to be doing SOMETHING win Mt. want them to do. If you look at it from a Christian perspective, they almost can't.
On the other hand, they ARE in Mt. Pleasant and might just need a fig leaf of sorts. They may think that MPPD (and others) would never assume a fine upstanding Christian establishment such as theirs would ever allow anything untoward to happen behind locked doors.
But, if you look at their Facebook page, there's pictures of kids all over the place. That's both a red flag and a major turn off for me. To be fair, it looked like they were doing a day camp or something with face painting and such but still, you don't put up pictures of kids if you want US to come in for massages.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't believe they are catering to mongers at all. Probably just a regular therapeutic massage that they feel they can charge big dollars for in Mt. Pleasant. And I'm going to hazard a guess that they are not Asians.
If I want just a good therapeutic massage, I will go to one of the Chinese places in town. You will get a really good therapeutic massage. And if there is any opportunity at all of converting a legit massage place into a therapeutic fuck place, that's going to happen faster with Asians than with whites.
LexLuther.
[QUOTE=LexLuther;2353121]In reading the ad, I would be highly surprised if this were anything more than a massage. You should not expect any sensual services.
LexLuther.[/QUOTE]You are spot on. Legit, decent massage from a mature provider. Talks about her interesting life non stop. Her voice carries. 75/ h session.
Nothing special. Would not rec. YMMV.
Nova.
I went to a new AMP in Goose Creek [URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/trial-operations-han-spa-chinese-massage-843-499-7498/10377342[/URL] They are located in an office building near the school. An hour massage was $63.00- yes $63.00 the $3. 00 was tax. That should have told me something right from the start. Bottom line- no touching. No teasing- not even come close. On the flip HAD to have towel on. As she said "We only do Good Massages". Now of course YMMV. The massage was so-so since I like a deep heavy massage and this was medium at best. I wish them Good Luck but I won't be going back. I tipped $20 and left.
[QUOTE=ChasMale;2354257]I went to a new AMP in Goose Creek [URL]http://charleston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/trial-operations-han-spa-chinese-massage-843-499-7498/10377342[/URL] They are located in an office building near the school. An hour massage was $63.00- yes $63.00 the $3. 00 was tax. That should have told me something right from the start. Bottom line- no touching. No teasing- not even come close. On the flip HAD to have towel on. As she said "We only do Good Massages". Now of course YMMV. The massage was so-so since I like a deep heavy massage and this was medium at best. I wish them Good Luck but I won't be going back. I tipped $20 and left.[/QUOTE]You can be certain that a massage place next to a school is never going to offer any "extras". Even though some or all of the staff may speak broken English, they surely know that offering anything more than a straight up massage will get them shut down pronto. So don't go there with hopes of better mileage. Isn't going to happen.
But as I've always said, you can often, if not always, get a damned good therapeutic massage at such places. So enjoy it for what it is.
LexLuther.
In a dream. Been there done that. Would not dream again.