Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[QUOTE=DWill;5234777]You care about nursery rhymes kids books. Got it. When you use catch phrases like "cancel culture" you give yourself away. Discussion over for me I really come get to get away from both sides of the political aisle honestly. And I got sucked in. Dammit.[/QUOTE]I wasn't going to involve myself in this because this is far from the reason I come here. But, here I go anyway. I think cancelling the Mr. From Potato Head is stupid but it really doesn't affect me because it has been 58 years since I played with one. And turning it into a cause celebre is a bad idea on both sides. If they had just dropped the title from the name and not said anything about it, would anyone have noticed?

Dr. Seuss is a little problematic. I hate seeing books and art removed from the shelves. But some of his stuff is pretty ugly. He got awfully jingoistic during WWII and his cartoons of Asians are fringe worthy. Even he expressed his regrets later in life. He portrays blacks in a simian manner in his Zoo book, and levels a few more bits of fun at Asians again. But I don't believe in cancelling them out. Use disclaimers. Why not?

But ultimately this was not something decided and foisted upon us by radical politicians. These were private businesses that decided to cease production or alter it on their products. I'm not happy about it, if only because it plays into the hands of the "wrong" people. But I'm pretty sure the Grinch, the Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz, and those red fishes and blue fishes will be safe, and oh, the places they'll see!

Ok, I'd just like to say that I don't have a problem with minorities. I was just trying to say that the demonization of the police is not helping the situation regarding safety in the city. And that's not to say that the cops are never in the wrong, either.

I definitely agree that it's a waste of energy for us to be fighting each other while the scumbag politicians get richer, and worse, more powerful.

I'm through talking about this.

Someone tell me where there's some hot BSWs or skinny young black escorts to be had, LOL.

Today is the first day where I received two PMs on this site with a link to another website. I blocked the sender and reported one of the two. I expect this to happen more. This along with the political spam that I receive on my cell phone is annoying. I delete and move on. I have no clue who would partake in any unsolicted text especially when it asks for money or provides a link to another site. Such a waste of time. I posted to let others know and not follow any links outside of this site.

[QUOTE=TheWimp;5241634]Today is the first day where I received two PMs on this site with a link to another website. I blocked the sender and reported one of the two. I expect this to happen more. This along with the political spam that I receive on my cell phone is annoying. I delete and move on. I have no clue who would partake in any unsolicted text especially when it asks for money or provides a link to another site. Such a waste of time. I posted to let others know and not follow any links outside of this site.[/QUOTE]Same here only one spammer reported.

[QUOTE=TheWimp;5241634]Today is the first day where I received two PMs on this site with a link to another website. I blocked the sender and reported one of the two. I expect this to happen more. This along with the political spam that I receive on my cell phone is annoying. I delete and move on. I have no clue who would partake in any unsolicted text especially when it asks for money or provides a link to another site. Such a waste of time. I posted to let others know and not follow any links outside of this site.[/QUOTE]It happens on every site, just report and block. They're good about deleting them.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5262342]Or he specifically targeted places he had been before and made him "weak". The fact that they were Asian may have been incidental, as it is for a lot of people who review AMPs. Some guys who go go specifically because they like Asian women, but most guys go because it's an easy, convenient, and relatively inexpensive way to get your rocks off.

Racial hate crime is a bit of a stretch.[/QUOTE]Agree with this. A deranged sex addict in Atlanta does not have the option of all the Euro spas we have up here, only the AMP. He frequented those most likely, as they are readily available in the Atlanta metro area as well as inexpensive.

I have no problem acknowledging when racism fuels people. I've seen a good deal of actual racism in my time and I'm not a fan of it. But in this case there's no reason to think race was the guy's primary motivator. The guy has explicitly told us why he did it. He wanted to destroy the source of his sexual temptation.

There's no doubt that this shooting was simultaneously an expression of self-hatred by this guy. This is common, people can come to hate the thing that they're addicted to, and hate themselves for not being strong enough to resist. Being raised in a religious environment, I've seen lots of guys like this. They hate themselves for their urges to porn / women, and will periodically "purge" or "purify" themselves of their temptation by throwing away all their porn or deleting the phone numbers of women who give them sex. But it never lasts, they always go back to it and the cycle just fuels greater and greater self-hatred, and more extreme attempts to purge the addiction and sources of temptation, and "get clean for good".

San Francisco has a big asian population. The vast majority of rub and tug / FS places are asian. So the women happened to be asian. Maybe race still played some minor role. Maybe because the women were asian and foreign, this guy saw them as "other" to some degree and maybe that made it easier for him to go through with this crime, but I doubt it was the primary motivator. If the guy was surrounded by Euro places, I reckon he would have done the same thing. Regardless of the guy's motivations, he did a horrible thing.

[QUOTE=Vbenny;5262522]I normally enjoy your posts a lot. You are typically super informative and sometimes entertaining. This one just misses the mark though. How can you say it's a bit of a stretch that race was the driving factor with this? He killed 7 Asians out of 8 people total that's a pretty clear pattern. Why is it easier to say that this complete stranger was a religious nut than a racist? You do know the two can both be true at the same time, right? You also realize that there are a ton of religious nuts that don't go around murdering multiple Asian women in a single day. Regardless of what he said motivated him he went to three separate Asian spas to shoot up and did just that. He could've shot hot girls of all races that were tempting anywhere. He could've killed sex workers in any number of different ways, but he chose this way. I don't know this awful fuck, and I hope I never end up in a spot getting shot up like this as a monger, but I'm a lot more willing to think this was racially motivated than chop it up to happenstance. To completely dismiss this being racially driven requires mental gymnastics at this point.[/QUOTE]The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated. If it was racially-motivated why did he kill one Hispanic male customer and one white female customer? Yes, white female. She was there with her husband for a couples massage. Also, if you read the Atlanta board you will see that one of these Asian massage parlors often had Latina therapists working.

[QUOTE=Moejoo;5262858]Is this forum really the place for your woke accusations?[/QUOTE]Hey, I wouldn't want to smear the guy as a racist just because he killed eight people.

[QUOTE]I have heard some reports that he is married to an Asian.[/QUOTE]Cool story, bro.

[QUOTE=Il630;5263532]The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated.[/QUOTE]While there might have been a racial component, I think this is probably right. There are plenty of Asian businesses besides massage parlors. Restaurants, nail salons, etc. Since he attacked only massage parlors, logic would tell you that he was focusing on the type of business.

[QUOTE=Vbenny;5262522]I normally enjoy your posts a lot. You are typically super informative and sometimes entertaining. This one just misses the mark though. How can you say it's a bit of a stretch that race was the driving factor with this? He killed 7 Asians out of 8 people total that's a pretty clear pattern. Why is it easier to say that this complete stranger was a religious nut than a racist? You do know the two can both be true at the same time, right? You also realize that there are a ton of religious nuts that don't go around murdering multiple Asian women in a single day. Regardless of what he said motivated him he went to three separate Asian spas to shoot up and did just that. He could've shot hot girls of all races that were tempting anywhere. He could've killed sex workers in any number of different ways, but he chose this way. I don't know this awful fuck, and I hope I never end up in a spot getting shot up like this as a monger, but I'm a lot more willing to think this was racially motivated than chop it up to happenstance. To completely dismiss this being racially driven requires mental gymnastics at this point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fdottt;5262734]Why go out of your way to try to "defend" the guy like you were there with him or are inside his mind? What do you specifically get out of it? It's like some people just can't stand something being called racist. It's so offensive to them.[/QUOTE]Let me put it this way. If the massage parlors were exactly the same but filled with Russians instead of Asians, would he have still shot everybody inside? If the answer is yes, then race is not the motivating factor.

From the indications so far, the answer to that question would have been yes. He frequented those places, probably because AMPs are traditionally one of the cheapest forms of sexual release that is available on demand. Then for whatever reason he snapped and decided that they were tools of the devil. I don't think it's mental gymnastics at all to believe all of that is possible without the term "asian" entering his mind even once.

Don't interpret that as defending him. The dude deserves to rot in hell and I hope he's executed for it. But part of understanding motive is taking an honest and objective approach to an investigation. Automatically concluding its a racist attack just because it fits neatly into a storyline cuts out our ability to pursue truth.

Truth is important because it allows us to know the best way to respond as a society. Do we look more closely at racist hate groups or at incels as the source of additional potential copycat attacks? Knowing the truth gives us the answer to that. It allows us to know who is in more danger next, a mexican brothel or an Asian market.

Anti-asian sentiment is way up, and that's a tragedy, but it doesn't necessarily follow that every bad thing that happens to Asians during this period is the result of anti-asian sentiment. No matter what your political persuasion, truth should always matter above anything else. It may turn out that there is a racial motive that hasn't been uncovered yet, but the bulk of what's been released so far argues against it.

[QUOTE=Vbenny;5262522]I normally enjoy your posts a lot. You are typically super informative and sometimes entertaining. This one just misses the mark though. How can you say it's a bit of a stretch that race was the driving factor with this? He killed 7 Asians out of 8 people total that's a pretty clear pattern. Why is it easier to say that this complete stranger was a religious nut than a racist? You do know the two can both be true at the same time, right? You also realize that there are a ton of religious nuts that don't go around murdering multiple Asian women in a single day. Regardless of what he said motivated him he went to three separate Asian spas to shoot up and did just that. He could've shot hot girls of all races that were tempting anywhere. He could've killed sex workers in any number of different ways, but he chose this way. I don't know this awful fuck, and I hope I never end up in a spot getting shot up like this as a monger, but I'm a lot more willing to think this was racially motivated than chop it up to happenstance. To completely dismiss this being racially driven requires mental gymnastics at this point.[/QUOTE]This terrible event has smoked me out. Full disclosure: A certain area newspaper sports section's thumbnail ads first interested me 25 years ago.

Georgia's new hate crime statute will be ruled on by the presiding judge for whether this crime fits. Regardless-and as others have pointed out: this young man will at least be going away for the rest of his life.

I do find it hilarious, however, to read on this platform, of all platforms, a seeming preference for all public policy of the "right" rather than the "left" when the former is fine with keeping the activity discussed here criminalised, the latter quite the opposite.

[QUOTE=Fdottt;5262734]Why go out of your way to try to "defend" the guy like you were there with him or are inside his mind? What do you specifically get out of it? It's like some people just can't stand something being called racist. It's so offensive to them.[/QUOTE]Whatever the ultimate facts are in this case, people tend to twist themselves into knots when it comes to racial matters. I guess it's sort of a perverse triumph of liberalism that people seem to attach a greater stigma to racism than murder.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5264232]Let me put it this way. If the massage parlors were exactly the same but filled with Russians instead of Asians, would he have still shot everybody inside? If the answer is yes, then race is not the motivating factor.

From the indications so far, the answer to that question would have been yes. He frequented those places, probably because AMPs are traditionally one of the cheapest forms of sexual release that is available on demand. Then for whatever reason he snapped and decided that they were tools of the devil. I don't think it's mental gymnastics at all to believe all of that is possible without the term "asian" entering his mind even once.

Don't interpret that as defending him. The dude deserves to rot in hell and I hope he's executed for it. But part of understanding motive is taking an honest and objective approach to an investigation. Automatically concluding its a racist attack just because it fits neatly into a storyline cuts out our ability to pursue truth.

Truth is important because it allows us to know the best way to respond as a society. Do we look more closely at racist hate groups or at incels as the source of additional potential copycat attacks? Knowing the truth gives us the answer to that. It allows us to know who is in more danger next, a mexican brothel or an Asian market..[/QUOTE]Well said! As more and more information comes out, this was not about Asian hate. It was about a sex addiction gone bipolar.

I have several friends on WeChat and not a single one has brought this up to me or has complained about any Asian hate.

However when I did ask one girl if she was going to Chinatown for the new year she said no, it's too dangerous there! I believe that week what's a couple of murders in Chinatown.

[QUOTE=NitroPimp;5264449]Well said! As more and more information comes out, this was not about Asian hate. It was about a sex addiction gone bipolar.

I have several friends on WeChat and not a single one has brought this up to me or has complained about any Asian hate.

However when I did ask one girl if she was going to Chinatown for the new year she said no, it's too dangerous there! I believe that week what's a couple of murders in Chinatown.[/QUOTE]But those that want to find racism everywhere will ignore the facts and continue to try to manufacture hysteria and division.

[QUOTE=Fit312;5264358]Whatever the ultimate facts are in this case, people tend to twist themselves into knots when it comes to racial matters. I guess it's sort of a perverse triumph of liberalism that people seem to attach a greater stigma to racism than murder.[/QUOTE]I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.

You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5265098]I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5265188]You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.[/QUOTE]But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.

Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5265283]But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.[/QUOTE]Disgraced public figures regularly "quit to spend more time with their family. " It's such a common phrase that it's become a punchline. Chris Harrison himself said he was "stepping away" to "learn from the experience. ".

We all know what that really means.

Also, nobody who is "canceled" for saying racist or sexist things ever stays canceled. They lay low for a year or two and then resurface. Chris Harrison is taking the season off and then he'll be back. Nobody ever "never works again" because of what they tweeted, no matter what what race.

[QUOTE=Ump1969;5265319]Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.[/QUOTE]If you want to really dig down, you'll find 1934-'38 to 1968 federal gun control legislation passed into law, versus 1986 to present gun law liberalization.

This troubled kid was able to buy a 9 mm on the spot with no waiting period in Georgia. Fuck that with the "how would that law have stopped him?" arguments. It's 30-years of loosening federal and state laws and the Supreme Court ruling municipal regulations unconstitutional. It's not just one "law," it's 30-cumulative years of dozens of freewheeling gun legislation.

I can't fathom how those concerned with this Forum's subject matter could find common cause with gun fucks.

He was a fucked up religious wacko who went to AMPs. It's racially motivated to the extent that a lot of guys believe the myth that Asian women are a special variety of pussy, "me love you long time," etc. He could have lit up a bunch of orange tanned strippers but he didn't.

[QUOTE=Il630;5263532]The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated. If it was racially-motivated why did he kill one Hispanic male customer and one white female customer? Yes, white female. She was there with her husband for a couples massage. Also, if you read the Atlanta board you will see that one of these Asian massage parlors often had Latina therapists working.[/QUOTE]

"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.

[QUOTE=Amplitude;5265529]If you want to really dig down, you'll find 1934-'38 to 1968 federal gun control legislation passed into law, versus 1986 to present gun law liberalization.

This troubled kid was able to buy a 9 mm on the spot with no waiting period in Georgia. Fuck that with the "how would that law have stopped him?" arguments. It's 30-years of loosening federal and state laws and the Supreme Court ruling municipal regulations unconstitutional. It's not just one "law," it's 30-cumulative years of dozens of freewheeling gun legislation.

I can't fathom how those concerned with this Forum's subject matter could find common cause with gun fucks.[/QUOTE]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266315]"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.[/QUOTE]Great points! And since the actions of a government should be judged separately from the actions of its people, then surely you agree that we should stand against the well documented spike in anti-asian crime. Right?

[QUOTE=PghTraveler;5265704]He was a fucked up religious wacko who went to AMPs. It's racially motivated to the extent that a lot of guys believe the myth that Asian women are a special variety of pussy, "me love you long time," etc. He could have lit up a bunch of orange tanned strippers but he didn't.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] one of the repeated items is the perp may have had a sexual addiction. That means HE being a nut job, lashed out at what he felt was causing it, or perpetuating it.

That is not racially based. He liked getting sex or HJ at an massage parlor so he went after the workers for their contributing to his problem, not their nationality. But, we still don't truly know the whole story yet. Not every crime where a minority is the victim is the perp motivated by racial animus.

[blue]The part I redacted has nothing at all to do with the issue you're talking about and will do nothing but inflame the thread. If you want to do that use the fight thread. I'm not commenting in any way on the rightness nor wrongness of what you posted, I don't even know what it was, I just know what it would do and that it has no bearing on the shooting in Atlanta.

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[QUOTE=Jinurso;5266367]Great points! And since the actions of a government should be judged separately from the actions of its people, then surely you agree that we should stand against the well documented spike in anti-asian crime. Right?[/QUOTE]If that is your sweet spot then why cloud the issue with whether something is or isn't "well-documented" by a particular space in media? Or if it applies to a certain race more than others? Why do you want to bring up race if your concern is crime? Why qualify it that way? Why wouldn't you want to stand against ANY crime, Asian or otherwise. Yes, I think we should stand against crime and support the rule of law and apply it equally.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266386]If that is your sweet spot then why cloud the issue with whether something is or isn't "well-documented" by a particular space in media? Or if it applies to a certain race more than others? Why do you want to bring up race if your concern is crime? Why qualify it that way? Why wouldn't you want to stand against ANY crime, Asian or otherwise. Yes, I think we should stand against crime and support the rule of law and apply it equally.[/QUOTE]Criminal investigators segment crime and look for trends and patterns and don't just lump everything from jaywalking to murder into one bucket called "crime". Different types of crime have different motives. Address the motive and you address the crime. If you can identify an emerging pattern sooner, you can minimize it before it spreads beyond our ability to control. Anti-asian crime is a spiking criminal trend. Supporting law and order means looking at these trends and putting out the fire early and not late.

This is true with crimes of all types against all people. Anti-asian crime just happens to be the topic of discussion on this board.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266336]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.[/QUOTE]Your entire reply avoids the public policy history I laid out. I guess mid 20th century America was pretty "oppressive. " Funnier still are the "non oppressors" you favor when it comes to guns right up your ass in jail when it comes to this hobby.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266336]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.[/QUOTE]Follow-Up question: who would be more likely to vote in favor of the decriminalization of prostitution? Jerry Nadler or Ted Cruz? The "statist" or the pro gun fuck?

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266336]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.[/QUOTE]One crazy cracker with a semi automatic large clip can kill a lot more people versus using a knife. Common sense gun laws make sense. No the libs aren't out to take your guns away. We just want sensible guns laws to prevent nutjobs from killing our children in school, places we work, and businesses that we patronize.

A year ago when the hysteria started over the virus all the local news channels were in Chinatown interviewing everyone they could trying to find evidence of anti Asian violence, intimidation, etc. They managed to put some people on the air who said they were scared but it really came off as them fishing for something that wasn't there. Now this guy goes off in Atlanta and now it is accepted fact that anti Asian hate is on the increase. I think Asians have a lot more to fear about Colleges disregarding their grades and test scores so that other groups can gain admission to the detriment of the high achieving Asian students. Does anyone have info on what racial groups are most responsible for the increased attacks on Asians?

[BLUE]But enough guys were still talking about the issues but now it's just divided down the normal Faux Newz/CommieNewsNetwork lines.

If you want to talk about why hate crimes don't exist then come here to the stupid shit thread, if you need to argue with the guys who think that come with them. The News and Media thread is for INTELLIGENT, NON POLITICAL discussions of news.

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[QUOTE=Admin2;5266833][BLUE]But enough guys were still talking about the issues but now it's just divided down the normal Faux Newz/CommieNewsNetwork lines.

If you want to talk about why hate crimes don't exist then come here to the stupid shit thread, if you need to argue with the guys who think that come with them. The News and Media thread is for INTELLIGENT, NON POLITICAL discussions of news.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]My issue is related. Why are people attacking the opinions of others? Besides what A2 mentioned, does anyone here know the shooter personally? Otherwise we are just opining and spouting off.

[QUOTE=Ump1969;5266950]My issue is related. Why are people attacking the opinions of others? Besides what A2 mentioned, does anyone here know the shooter personally? Otherwise we are just opining and spouting off.[/QUOTE]With this incident being within our field of play people need a way to vent their frustration and anger about what happened. As long as it's about the incident itself. Not about turning that.

Anger towads the person expressing their opinions.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266315]"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.[/QUOTE][URL]https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.aabany.org/resource/resmgr/press_releases/2021/A_Rising_Tide_of_Hate_and_Vi.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://secureservercdn.net/104.238.69.231/a1w.90d.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Press-Statement-re_-Bay-Area-Elderly-Incidents-2.9.2021-1.pdf[/URL]

Note that these were released a month before this incident. Now I now you'll dismiss this stuff as some kind of liberal conspiracy because you only trust news from one source. So I went ahead and provided a link from that one source as well:

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/elderly-asian-man-dies-california-robbery-hate-crimes-swell[/URL]

You can hate the CCP all you want. I hate them too. I've been to China enough times to see how horrid conditions can be for the poor. Communism killed 40 million people through famine there. You can also hate on the fraudulent, deceptive, and dishonest business dealings of Chinese companies (Luckin coffee etc.) That's all fair game. Where you become an ignorant pos no better than the pos in Atlanta is when you project that hatred onto individual Asian-Americans or Asian immigrants who have nothing to do with the things you hate and are only trying to survive and earn a living. It's the same ignorant pos who attacked Sikhs after 2001 even though Sikhs are not Muslim. They just wear a head dress. And yes, they attacked individual Muslims as well.

What's a straight white male to do? A white college guy pulls away a drunk college girl from a party and gets caught. Therefore, all white men are guilty of promoting rape culture. White guy says What did I do? And the SJW crowd (now the Woke crowd) comes back with Your silence is violence, you haven't taken the pledge, and all consensual sex between a man and a woman is still rape because of the power imbalance, unless the woman is more powerful in which case no hand can be raised. And the media goes right along with it. Two days ago I'm watching the news (my bad) and they're still covering this, but since there is nothing new coming out of the mutt's mouth, the media switches to "But still, Asian Americans feel threatened by this dramatic rise in violence!" And they show clips of protesters waving Stop the Anti-Asian Hate! Signs.

I eat at Japanese, Chinese and Korean restaurants, am never a problem and tip well. Staff knows this and always welcome me. I've worked with Asians since the 80's. In the 70's I had a Korean martial arts instructor who I still hold in admiration. I've got Filipino neighbors who I get along with fine. And yes, I'm had sex, blowjobs and well over 500 handies from Asian women looking to send money back home, never been mean or degrading to a single one. Much like the wait staff at restaurants, they always want me back because I'm no trouble and tip well.

So if you think it is wrong to push back that these murders were committed not because of one mutts' sex addiction fighting against his religious narcissism, instead of blanket Anti-Asian hate, look at it from my perspective. No one likes to be guilty by association, especially a whole race for the actions of one guy.

The people who can't abide any denunciation of "woke-ness" or "SJWs" will be along to say thay they know "what time you're on" or whatever. But you're right.

Seems like it's ok to say anything about white people and whiteness. Think I'm wrong?

[URL]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/coca-cola-slammed-for-blatant-racial-discrimination/2YZ3FEERKSTODU2TY5T6MWCD44/[/URL]

See attached.

This shit is a fucking industry.

Think that's a one-off? Think again:

[URL]https://video.foxnews.com/v/6233893549001[/URL]#sp=show-clips.

Everyone feel free to dismiss it, before investigation, just because it's fox news.

[QUOTE=SamSpade;5268142]What's a straight white male to do? A white college guy pulls away a drunk college girl from a party and gets caught. Therefore, all white men are guilty of promoting rape culture. White guy says What did I do? And the SJW crowd (now the Woke crowd) comes back with Your silence is violence, you haven't taken the pledge, and all consensual sex between a man and a woman is still rape because of the power imbalance, unless the woman is more powerful in which case no hand can be raised. And the media goes right along with it. Two days ago I'm watching the news (my bad) and they're still covering this, but since there is nothing new coming out of the mutt's mouth, the media switches to "But still, Asian Americans feel threatened by this dramatic rise in violence!" And they show clips of protesters waving Stop the Anti-Asian Hate! Signs.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

[QUOTE=SmileySam;5266484]One crazy cracker with a semi automatic large clip can kill a lot more people versus using a knife. Common sense gun laws make sense. No the libs aren't out to take your guns away. We just want sensible guns laws to prevent nutjobs from killing our children in school, places we work, and businesses that we patronize.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSpade;5268142]What's a straight white male to do? A white college guy pulls away a drunk college girl from a party and gets caught. Therefore, all white men are guilty of promoting rape culture. White guy says What did I do? And the SJW crowd (now the Woke crowd) comes back with Your silence is violence, you haven't taken the pledge, and all consensual sex between a man and a woman is still rape because of the power imbalance, unless the woman is more powerful in which case no hand can be raised. And the media goes right along with it. Two days ago I'm watching the news (my bad) and they're still covering this, but since there is nothing new coming out of the mutt's mouth, the media switches to "But still, Asian Americans feel threatened by this dramatic rise in violence!" And they show clips of protesters waving Stop the Anti-Asian Hate! Signs.

I eat at Japanese, Chinese and Korean restaurants, am never a problem and tip well. Staff knows this and always welcome me. I've worked with Asians since the 80's. In the 70's I had a Korean martial arts instructor who I still hold in admiration. I've got Filipino neighbors who I get along with fine. And yes, I'm had sex, blowjobs and well over 500 handies from Asian women looking to send money back home, never been mean or degrading to a single one. Much like the wait staff at restaurants, they always want me back because I'm no trouble and tip well.

So if you think it is wrong to push back that these murders were committed not because of one mutts' sex addiction fighting against his religious narcissism, instead of blanket Anti-Asian hate, look at it from my perspective. No one likes to be guilty by association, especially a whole race for the actions of one guy.[/QUOTE]I truly feel sad for the next generation (under 16 now) of white males and truly grateful I grew up in the era I did. That's all.