Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=BufordDad;3309215]You are lumping masturbation into the same classification as abortions? If one were used more often then the numbers for the other one would probably go down.

If you took offense to the "democrat" remark then just say so, otherwise you're trying to justify an elected official trying to create a law that would place a $100.00 fine on a guy every time he waxed his pickle. Makes about as much sense as a Georgia law that's still in effect that makes it illegal to get a blow job. Yeah. I see procecutors lining up to enforce that one.

Otherwise, this lady is collecting a check that the taxpayers are footing to "make a useless point" at the expense of those taxpayers and should be taken out back and beaten severely for it. Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]That was exactly my point but you said it better.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3310481]Everyone is aware that she was protesting abortion legislation introduced by men, but she's being paid with taxpayer dollars to do her job, not waste countless man hours on frivolous legislation.[/QUOTE]Really? Do any of these legislative asswipes produce legislation of any value?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3310481]Everyone is aware that she was protesting abortion legislation introduced by men, but she's being paid with taxpayer dollars to do her job, not waste countless man hours on frivolous legislation.[/QUOTE]You are correct, she's being paid taxpayer dollars to do her job but her job is to represent her district. If the people in her district don't like the way she does that then they have a pretty easy way of getting rid of her.

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;3310959]Really? Do any of these legislative asswipes produce legislation of any value?[/QUOTE]Good point. My rule of thumb is, most people in a position to pass laws / rules / regulations / ordinances or whatever, are either not subject to them or have the means to skirt them. And, 50% of the reason I don't like that female legislator is because she belongs to a group that often doesn't 'produce legislation of any value'. The other 50% is because of the fact that, not only is she wasting taxpayers' money with her anti-jackoff legislation that has nothing to do with abortion legislation, she's using her position to vent her personal frustrations in general because nobody would want to fuck her anyway.

Ever notice that the most vocal, whiny, male-bashing are those who most guys avoid? It's basic female jealousy.

[QUOTE=BufordDad;3309215]You are lumping masturbation into the same classification as abortions? If one were used more often then the numbers for the other one would probably go down.

If you took offense to the "democrat" remark then just say so, otherwise you're trying to justify an elected official trying to create a law that would place a $100.00 fine on a guy every time he waxed his pickle. Makes about as much sense as a Georgia law that's still in effect that makes it illegal to get a blow job. Yeah. I see procecutors lining up to enforce that one.

Otherwise, this lady is collecting a check that the taxpayers are footing to "make a useless point" at the expense of those taxpayers and should be taken out back and beaten severely for it. Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]Well said sir, I was thinking the same thing. I just couldn't articulate it as well.

[QUOTE=BufordDad;3309215]You are lumping masturbation into the same classification as abortions? If one were used more often then the numbers for the other one would probably go down.

If you took offense to the "democrat" remark then just say so, otherwise you're trying to justify an elected official trying to create a law that would place a $100.00 fine on a guy every time he waxed his pickle. Makes about as much sense as a Georgia law that's still in effect that makes it illegal to get a blow job. Yeah. I see procecutors lining up to enforce that one.

Otherwise, this lady is collecting a check that the taxpayers are footing to "make a useless point" at the expense of those taxpayers and should be taken out back and beaten severely for it. Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]+1.

You are not wrong, IMHO.

I haven't posted in this thread in a minute because my stupid laptop keeps taking a poop. A few things I wanted to talk about. First, why is it that chic's that I've seen in the past for $40-$60, now trying to charge $100 qv's and $200 hour rates. I'm saying to myself, child I had you a few years ago for $50. What the hell makes you think your worth $100 qv now? These chics increasing their rates and not increasing their service level. In fact, these boneheads are decreasing their service and think they're worth a higher price. What the hell is wrong these chics?

If you're going to increase your rates to GFE prices, then increase your services to get services. Most of these chicks are freaking ridiculous. They wanna charge $100 qv, everything covered, no this, no that and think that's good service. And what's worse are the ones on Candler Road, Old National and other shitty ghetto locations wanting to charge these ridiculous amounts. In my experience, most of these chicks are $50-$60 chicks at best. They talk a good game but they ain't worth a shit. The ones that charge $100 plus for qv's are usually the worst ones.

Secondly, if a chick is using obviously fake ass pics, why do some of you dudes actually believe or hope that your going to get a chick that looks similar to her fake pics. From I've been doing this, I realized that most chics using obviously fake ass pics look absolutely nothing like the fake pics they're using. It's most likely a plain looking fat chick pretending to be something that she's not. It's usually bad business to patronize fake pic chics as they're usually all about that chick. One thing good I can say about fake pic chic's though, they usually come to the door dressed to impress. Most usually answer the door naked or come to the door in some sexy lingerie.

Thirdly, for the 100th time, yes there is a review site that chic's review hoar mongers on. It's an app that a chick told. Me about before. That's why a lot of chicks won't answer certain dudes phone call. You probably have bad reviews from a scorned chic that you never went to see so she wrote a bad review out of spite. Simple solution. Get another throw away phone. These chicks aren't the brightest. They will cuss you out and block your phone number on one phone and be swallowing your load 30 minutes later from another phone number. Just get another throw away phone and call them again. Simple.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3332597]. These chics increasing their rates and not increasing their service level. In fact, these boneheads are decreasing their service and think they're worth a higher price. What the hell is wrong these chics?

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The ones that charge $100 plus for qv's are usually the worst ones.
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From I've been doing this, I realized that most chics using obviously fake ass pics look absolutely nothing like the fake pics they're using. It's most likely a plain looking fat chick pretending to be something that she's not. It's usually bad business to patronize fake pic chics as they're usually all about that chick. One thing good I can say about fake pic chic's though, they usually come to the door dressed to impress. Most usually answer the door naked or come to the door in some sexy lingerie.

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Thirdly, for the 100th time, yes there is a review site that chic's review hoar mongers on. ... Just get another throw away phone and call them again. Simple.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. But they charge what people are willing to pay, and then begin to think they are worth it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3332597]I haven't posted in this thread in a minute because my stupid laptop keeps taking a poop. A few things I wanted to talk about. First, why is it that chic's that I've seen in the past for $40-$60, now trying to charge $100 qv's and $200 hour rates. I'm saying to myself, child I had you a few years ago for $50. What the hell makes you think your worth $100 qv now? These chics increasing their rates and not increasing their service level. In fact, these boneheads are decreasing their service and think they're worth a higher price. What the hell is wrong these chics?

If you're going to increase your rates to GFE prices, then increase your services to get services. Most of these chicks are freaking ridiculous. They wanna charge $100 qv, everything covered, no this, no that and think that's good service. And what's worse are the ones on Candler Road, Old National and other shitty ghetto locations wanting to charge these ridiculous amounts. In my experience, most of these chicks are $50-$60 chicks at best. They talk a good game but they ain't worth a shit. The ones that charge $100 plus for qv's are usually the worst ones.

Secondly, if a chick is using obviously fake ass pics, why do some of you dudes actually believe or hope that your going to get a chick that looks similar to her fake pics. From I've been doing this, I realized that most chics using obviously fake ass pics look absolutely nothing like the fake pics they're using. It's most likely a plain looking fat chick pretending to be something that she's not. It's usually bad business to patronize fake pic chics as they're usually all about that chick. One thing good I can say about fake pic chic's though, they usually come to the door dressed to impress. Most usually answer the door naked or come to the door in some sexy lingerie.

Thirdly, for the 100th time, yes there is a review site that chic's review hoar mongers on. It's an app that a chick told. Me about before. That's why a lot of chicks won't answer certain dudes phone call. You probably have bad reviews from a scorned chic that you never went to see so she wrote a bad review out of spite. Simple solution. Get another throw away phone. These chicks aren't the brightest. They will cuss you out and block your phone number on one phone and be swallowing your load 30 minutes later from another phone number. Just get another throw away phone and call them again. Simple.[/QUOTE]These are the same old recycled questions yet again, and you know the answer.

Simps will pay anything, so it doesn't matter if a chick used to charge 40. She can up her rates to 400 if she wants, and some IDIOT old man will pay.

That's just the way things are, and I wish there were more real men in this world. Unfortunately, the simps outnumber the real men.

That's why you see so many ads saying "I LOVE OLD GUYS," or I love "insert obvious race" guys.

There are a certain demographic of weak, emasculated, pucci-whipped and sissified men who have no backbone and will take whatever they are given!

Those types of men make excellent ATMs, because they put up zero resistance, pay inflated rates, and NEVER fight back or complain about poor service or being rushed.

Also, many of those types have high profile careers and a lot to lose; so they take the L because they don't want to be exposed to their wives or risk losing their jobs over some BP bird.

I hate those types of "men," but they will never disappear. In fact, their numbers are growing rapidly!!

Those types are always getting robbed and taken advantage of as well. They make for very easy targets.

Body type also plays into how much a bird will charge. If she is skinny, anorexic, or a bag of bones; then she can be classified as a spinner (no matter how sickly and drugged out she looks). Spinners can automatically charge 300-400 bones, especially if they're young and an ARMY of thirsty old simps will be waiting to hand over the funds.

There's no point in being pissed about this phenomenon, it has been going on for decades now!!

That's why I rejoice when one of those old simps is robbed or killed, because they never learn their lesson. Simps NEVER stop, until they are dead in the grave!

Just like that old simp on Glenwood, he was murdered for his stupidity. Good riddance to him and any other idiots who get smoked because they let the little head take over. The idiot lost his life over a pursuit of a drugged out, anorexic "spinner. "

I'm so glad that idiot is dead. Hopefully more them killed, until their numbers begin to dwindle.

Rant over!

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3333003]These are the same old recycled questions yet again, and you know the answer.

Simps will pay anything, ... Unfortunately, the simps outnumber the real men ... There are a certain demographic of weak, emasculated, pucci-whipped and sissified men who have no backbone and will take whatever they are given! ... excellent ATMs, ... zero resistance, pay inflated rates, and NEVER fight back ... don't want to be exposed to their wives or risk losing their jobs over some BP bird. ... but they will never disappear. ... In fact, their numbers are growing rapidly!! ... They make for very easy targets. ... If she is skinny, anorexic, or a bag of bones; then she can be classified as a spinner (no matter how sickly and drugged out she looks).

[/QUOTE]Ain't that the bloody truth. Some, however will learn if they stay in the game long enough, unfortunately, they are replaced with new shithaids at a faster rate than they are learning. It's too bad we can't start a marketing campaign for hobbyists like an "exclusive" website for simps. It would have to be expensive so they think it's legit, and it would only have to have a few pages like the pages here. FAQs Definitions, appropriate rates, common defenses against GPS. Etc. Hmmm, maybe there's a way to capitalize on this after all! .

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3334023]Ain't that the bloody truth. Some, however will learn if they stay in the game long enough, unfortunately, they are replaced with new shithaids at a faster rate than they are learning. It's too bad we can't start a marketing campaign for hobbyists like an "exclusive" website for simps. It would have to be expensive so they think it's legit, and it would only have to have a few pages like the pages here. FAQs Definitions, appropriate rates, common defenses against GPS. Etc. Hmmm, maybe there's a way to capitalize on this after all! .[/QUOTE]Your condescension is appalling. How I spend my money is my business, and I've been doing this longer than most of you have been alive.

Judging from some of the photos that float around on this board, seems to me some of those $40 QV's you're getting are way overpriced. If you choose to bathe with pigs in slop, so be it. For some, there is value in at least a bit of class and quality.

We've all made mistakes and overpaid from time to time. But I'll always err on the high side; the upside is so much greater, and a little extra cash often makes those who are unfriendly become very friendly.

I'm here to have fun, not browbeat a downtrodden provider out of a few bucks. It's those who view price as the ultimate gauge of a successful visit who cause the most damage.

The people you see are human beings, not commodities. Act like it, and you'll enjoy yourself much, much more.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3334624]Your condescension is appalling. How I spend my money is my business, and I've been doing this longer than most of you have been alive.

Judging from some of the photos that float around on this board, seems to me some of those $40 QV's you're getting are way overpriced. If you choose to bathe with pigs in slop, so be it. For some, there is value in at least a bit of class and quality.

We've all made mistakes and overpaid from time to time. But I'll always err on the high side; the upside is so much greater, and a little extra cash often makes those who are unfriendly become very friendly.

I'm here to have fun, not browbeat a downtrodden provider out of a few bucks. It's those who view price as the ultimate gauge of a successful visit who cause the most damage.

The people you see are human beings, not commodities. Act like it, and you'll enjoy yourself much, much more.[/QUOTE]You are entitled to spend your funds however you see fit Mr. Allen.

However, the FACTS still remain. Paying more does NOT equal better service, especially when some of the higher priced providers are robbing mongers (simps).

Also, you use of the word "class" is laughable and makes me unable to take you seriously.

"Class" and hooking just don't go together, especially on BP. There is not one classy woman on BP, they are all heaux selling recycled poontang pie to the highest bidders.

Furthermore, this unspoken hierarchy of tricking is funny to me.

NEWSFLASH! A trick is a trick!

No one trick is better than the next, they are all tricks. Go call your relatives and tell them you are a trick, but you only choose the expensive heaux. See how they react to that.

Society looks down on you tricks the same way. You are all put in a vacuum and considered scumbags by the soccer moms and hyper conservatives and liberals of this country.

Also, no one is being "condescending" here. We are not looking down on the providers, we do not necessarily think we are better people than them.

Their poop still stinks, and so does yours Mr. Allen.

Have a nice day, and spend / waste as much of your chips as you would like.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3334624]Your condescension is appalling. How I spend my money is my business, and I've been doing this longer than most of you have been alive.

Judging from some of the photos that float around on this board, seems to me some of those $40 QV's you're getting are way overpriced. If you choose to bathe with pigs in slop, so be it. For some, there is value in at least a bit of class and quality.

We've all made mistakes and overpaid from time to time. But I'll always err on the high side; the upside is so much greater, and a little extra cash often makes those who are unfriendly become very friendly.

I'm here to have fun, not browbeat a downtrodden provider out of a few bucks. It's those who view price as the ultimate gauge of a successful visit who cause the most damage.

The people you see are human beings, not commodities. Act like it, and you'll enjoy yourself much, much more.[/QUOTE]I've been in the hobby for quite some time myself, I doubt if you've been doing this longer than I have been alive. But that's ok even if you have. Dude, spend your money how you want, but don't patronize me from your POV.

Let me address your outrage point by point.

1) You are absolutely right, some of the $40 QVs are way overpriced. Thanks for proving my point BTW.

2) Bathe with pigs in slop, how appallingly condescending of you to say such a thing.

3) I have never browbeat a "downtrodden" provider out of a few bucks. It's a negotiation, they know it, I know it. This is a business for them and a transaction for me if they don't want to negotiate, I move on. They think the cooter is worth a certain amount, I get to judge the utility I am willing to pay for.

4) There is no such thing as class when you're dealing with hos. We have none, they have none according to societies moral filter.

5) You get to be treated well or you don't. Giving them more chips has little to do with it. They will gouge you for two or three Bens and laugh about how stupid you are with their pimps and friends. I know some of these ladies personally and believe me, they love to get over on a guy. I'll get the same thing you get for half that amount and a little respect for not being a dumbass with my chips.

6) Of course they are human beings! Its not about respect or disrespect, you get what you give simple as that. But, what they are selling (time) is a commodity. Why do you think Priceline is doing so well. You get to stay in a five star hotel for a fraction of the "asking" price and you can stay in a two star hotel for a fraction of the asking price. Sometimes you're in the mood for a luxury nights stay (time) and sometimes you just want a place to rest on your way to where ever. Either way, it's about the utility, not the service.

By all means, stay up on your high horse being appalled. You said it, it's your choice. I choose to be down here in reality, playing the game and enjoying the hunt.

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3335262]I've been in the hobby for quite some time myself, I doubt if you've been doing this longer than I have been alive. But that's ok even if you have. Dude, spend your money how you want, but don't patronize me from your POV.

Let me address your outrage point by point.

1) You are absolutely right, some of the $40 QVs are way overpriced. Thanks for proving my point BTW.

2) Bathe with pigs in slop, how appallingly condescending of you to say such a thing.

3) I have never browbeat a "downtrodden" provider out of a few bucks. It's a negotiation, they know it, I know it. This is a business for them and a transaction for me if they don't want to negotiate, I move on. They think the cooter is worth a certain amount, I get to judge the utility I am willing to pay for.

4) There is no such thing as class when you're dealing with hos. We have none, they have none according to societies moral filter.

5) You get to be treated well or you don't. Giving them more chips has little to do with it. They will gouge you for two or three Bens and laugh about how stupid you are with their pimps and friends. I know some of these ladies personally and believe me, they love to get over on a guy. I'll get the same thing you get for half that amount and a little respect for not being a dumbass with my chips.

6) Of course they are human beings! Its not about respect or disrespect, you get what you give simple as that. But, what they are selling (time) is a commodity. Why do you think Priceline is doing so well. You get to stay in a five star hotel for a fraction of the "asking" price and you can stay in a two star hotel for a fraction of the asking price. Sometimes you're in the mood for a luxury nights stay (time) and sometimes you just want a place to rest on your way to where ever. Either way, it's about the utility, not the service.

By all means, stay up on your high horse being appalled. You said it, it's your choice. I choose to be down here in reality, playing the game and enjoying the hunt.[/QUOTE]Points well taken on all comments. We all have our own approach. Good luck and stay safe.

What are my eyes reading here. Guys giving unfriendly chics more money to become friendlier? Really? Who's the consumer here? You advertise your services on the world wide web and I as a consumer must pay you more money to turn that frown you came to the door with, into a smile? Wow! Do I have to pay my barber a tip upfront for him to cut my hair correctly. Likewise, do I have to pay a car salesman a gratuity fee beforehand so he doesn't sell me a lemon. Dude, why do some of you dudes hold these chics to such lower standard than you would to any other profession? Why do these chics need to be babied and pampered and befriended for you to get good services from them?

Unless someone's putting a gun to their heads and making them sell their asses, then there should be no reason why I would have to give a chic extra money for her to be friendly. She choosed this job. She placed an ad on the internet out of her own free will. She knew the risk and consequences of her job before she placed an ad on the internet. If she can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the motel room! This "hobby / lifestyle" isn't for everyone! These chic's are fully aware of what they're doing when they place these ads on the internet. Some of you dude's are pathetic! There's even a guy on another review site that writes bogus / rave reviews on chics he's never seen, just to give these chics some business. How corny? He explained he does that because too many guys give these chics $20 and expect them to give them the world. Really? Corny ass no-life dudes.

Furthermore, erring on the high side does not always guarantee you good service or even better service than someone who erred on the low side. Have you not read the reviews here and on other review boards? I just read a review 15 minutes ago where a guy paid $500/ hour to be with a certain pornstar and her got a CBJ with covered sex only. When he blew his first load, the chic started putting her clothes back on and told him she wanted to talk for his remaining time on the hour. LOL. Good job there for erring on the higher side. LOL. Another chic on that review site charges tricks $800 an hour with everything covered. LOL. All 5 of the reviewers said that they had a good time and would repeat. LOL.

Another guy on this review site a few years back, paid a chic $1,200 for a dinner date and when they got to dinner, chic excused herself to the bathroom and slipped out the backdoor with the stupid horny tricks $1,200 in hand. LOL. What a sucker. So much for those guys erring on the higher side. In actuality, how much more you pay doesn't mean jack shit. If a chic has no reviews anywhere you better are on the side of caution. In reality, you should be looking for value and the best bang for the buck. Some being corny and putting these chics on such a high pedestool that we now have to pay them to be friendly. Come on dudes, that so damn corny and simpish. We're the consumers here. They should be catering to our needs, not the other way around. Grow some nuts!

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3334023]Ain't that the bloody truth. Some, however will learn if they stay in the game long enough, unfortunately, they are replaced with new shithaids at a faster rate than they are learning. It's too bad we can't start a marketing campaign for hobbyists like an "exclusive" website for simps. It would have to be expensive so they think it's legit, and it would only have to have a few pages like the pages here. FAQs Definitions, appropriate rates, common defenses against GPS. Etc. Hmmm, maybe there's a way to capitalize on this after all!.[/QUOTE]This website is supposed to be about fellow mongers assisting each other in navigating the sex trade maze. Men of every age, race, income level, etc all share their experiences on this board. Nothing is gained by flaming each other. I may be angry at those who insist on bare services because they readily spread disease that endangers us 'safe' mongers. But I don't call them childish names on this board. Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. Some can afford more than others. Personally I don't patronize women who charge $40. But I don't use the anonymity this forum provides to chastise those who do. The unnecessary rude comments I see hear speak volumes about those who make them. Now let's all have fun.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3335701]What are my eyes reading here. Guys giving unfriendly chics more money to become friendlier? Really? Who's the consumer here? You advertise your services on the world wide web and I as a consumer must pay you more money to turn that frown you came to the door with, into a smile? Wow! Do I have to pay my barber a tip upfront for him to cut my hair correctly. Likewise, do I have to pay a car salesman a gratuity fee beforehand so he doesn't sell me a lemon. Dude, why do some of you dudes hold these chics to such lower standard than you would to any other profession? Why do these chics need to be babied and pampered and befriended for you to get good services from them?

Unless someone's putting a gun to their heads and making them sell their asses, then there should be no reason why I would have to give a chic extra money for her to be friendly. She choosed this job. She placed an ad on the internet out of her own free will. She knew the risk and consequences of her job before she placed an ad on the internet. If she can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the motel room! This "hobby / lifestyle" isn't for everyone! These chic's are fully aware of what they're doing when they place these ads on the internet. Some of you dude's are pathetic! There's even a guy on another review site that writes bogus / rave reviews on chics he's never seen, just to give these chics some business. How corny? He explained he does that because too many guys give these chics $20 and expect them to give them the world. Really? Corny ass no-life dudes.

Furthermore, erring on the high side does not always guarantee you good service or even better service than someone who erred on the low side. Have you not read the reviews here and on other review boards? I just read a review 15 minutes ago where a guy paid $500/ hour to be with a certain pornstar and her got a CBJ with covered sex only. When he blew his first load, the chic started putting her clothes back on and told him she wanted to talk for his remaining time on the hour. LOL. Good job there for erring on the higher side. LOL. Another chic on that review site charges tricks $800 an hour with everything covered. LOL. All 5 of the reviewers said that they had a good time and would repeat. LOL.

Another guy on this review site a few years back, paid a chic $1,200 for a dinner date and when they got to dinner, chic excused herself to the bathroom and slipped out the backdoor with the stupid horny tricks $1,200 in hand. LOL. What a sucker. So much for those guys erring on the higher side. In actuality, how much more you pay doesn't mean jack shit. If a chic has no reviews anywhere you better are on the side of caution. In reality, you should be looking for value and the best bang for the buck. Some being corny and putting these chics on such a high pedestool that we now have to pay them to be friendly. Come on dudes, that so damn corny and simpish. We're the consumers here. They should be catering to our needs, not the other way around. Grow some nuts![/QUOTE]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3335701]What are my eyes reading here. Guys giving unfriendly chics more money to become friendlier? Really? Who's the consumer here? You advertise your services on the world wide web and I as a consumer must pay you more money to turn that frown you came to the door with, into a smile? Wow! Do I have to pay my barber a tip upfront for him to cut my hair correctly. Likewise, do I have to pay a car salesman a gratuity fee beforehand so he doesn't sell me a lemon. Dude, why do some of you dudes hold these chics to such lower standard than you would to any other profession? Why do these chics need to be babied and pampered and befriended for you to get good services from them?

Unless someone's putting a gun to their heads and making them sell their asses, then there should be no reason why I would have to give a chic extra money for her to be friendly. She choosed this job. She placed an ad on the internet out of her own free will. She knew the risk and consequences of her job before she placed an ad on the internet. If she can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the motel room! This "hobby / lifestyle" isn't for everyone! These chic's are fully aware of what they're doing when they place these ads on the internet. Some of you dude's are pathetic! There's even a guy on another review site that writes bogus / rave reviews on chics he's never seen, just to give these chics some business. How corny? He explained he does that because too many guys give these chics $20 and expect them to give them the world. Really? Corny ass no-life dudes.[/QUOTE]Some guys are natural cucks.

I think they get off on a chick using them as an ATM. There are plenty of guys who enjoy being subservient and humiliated by women.

I will never understand it, but if they are made of money let them trick it all off at will LOL.

Guys like that are the ones who really ruining the game for everyone else. Once a chick knows she can get high rates for doing the bare minimum, she has ZERO incentive to give good service to the next guy.

Most of those submissive cucks are old guys who are set in their ways. They are used to their wives treating them like garbage, and it became something they like doing.

I can't be too mad at those guys, because they serve a purpose. They help these providers make a VERY comfortable living and go on shopping sprees.

When I'm old, I vow to always maintain a backbone and not get used by a chick, just because she is young and cute.

As a young guy, I smash and pass many of these younger girls for free. That's why I don't see the point in paying an arm and a leg for these chicks. If only I wasn't a young poontang addict LOL.

You'd be surprised how many providers have straight up asked me "why are you doing this?

I know I don't have to, but the compulsion and addiction is real LOL.

Well, mainly I just want very long and pampering BBBJCIM head sessions.

I love the rants and raves section, it really gives me insight into the mind of a older trick.

[QUOTE=Pete1340;3335890] Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. [/QUOTE]This pretty much sums it up. We think you are idiots for paying a chick 300 who is worth 80 so we MUST be jealous. *Shrug*.

[QUOTE=Pete1340;3335890]This website is supposed to be about fellow mongers assisting each other in navigating the sex trade maze. Men of every age, race, income level, etc all share their experiences on this board. Nothing is gained by flaming each other. I may be angry at those who insist on bare services because they readily spread disease that endangers us 'safe' mongers. But I don't call them childish names on this board. Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. Some can afford more than others. Personally I don't patronize women who charge $40. But I don't use the anonymity this forum provides to chastise those who do. The unnecessary rude comments I see hear speak volumes about those who make them. Now let's all have fun.[/QUOTE]Yep, you caught me. Dang, I thought I could get away with being anonymously jealous of all the high class mongers. I can't believe I was so transparent. I'm so embarrassed (in a low class way of course). I hope I didn't offend my "high class" fellow hobbyists too badly. Please understand, it's a low class thing. We just don't know no better. Please understand, 25+ years ago, when I was high class, and paying more for "time" than a provider was worth, I didn't think those who were also ignorant were simple minded (simps). But as I have fallen lower and lower into the monger class system, I have gotten crass and crude, and shamefully quite cynical.

I would like to thank you Pete, you have shown me the error of my ways. I will be much more careful not to insult the stupidity of my high class brethren. Out of pure low class curiosity, could you explain how you "see hear" How does it speak volumes, please, I am not trying to make disparaging remarks about my betters. I'm certain it's a my low class ignorance showing through.

Incidentally, we have called a meeting of the low class to address your anger over those who choose to endanger you 'safe' mongers. We can't have these new condom melting diseases harming the hobbyist elite. I was unaware, that someone having unprotected experiences had such a profound affect on those who have protected fun. Thanks for pointing that out. I confess, I'm a bit ignorant about these things, maybe you would be so kind as to condescend enough to explain how that works, (the spread of disease from the bare class to the covered class). One last thing, could you please post a hierarchy of the class system? I'm pretty low, but I would like to know just where I fit in so I don't anonymously offend my superiors.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3336394]This pretty much sums it up. We think you are idiots for paying a chick 300 who is worth 80 so we MUST be jealous. *Shrug*.[/QUOTE]You worded that EXCELLENTLY!

Some men just just lack comprehension skills. Why would anyone be jealous of a trick?

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on the quality of the woman and the quality of the man. I have had college friends, who were not junkies, that become part time higher end escorts because they needed money for school etc and most of them even had good grades too. One became a college professor! With people like that, if they say 300/ hr for their time, and you say 150/ hr and show disrespect, you get black listed. That why I stick to UTR girls now because they have not been jaded yet with some POS using intimidation or much worse, force. Hell, if you in deep with a favorite UTR chick, you could get MUCH MORE TIME from her for nothing or even freebies if she likes you.

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3336687]Yep, you caught me. Dang, I thought I could get away with being anonymously jealous of all the high class mongers. I can't believe I was so transparent. I'm so embarrassed (in a low class way of course). I hope I didn't offend my "high class" fellow hobbyists too badly. Please understand, it's a low class thing. We just don't know no better. Please understand, 25+ years ago, when I was high class, and paying more for "time" than a provider was worth, I didn't think those who were also ignorant were simple minded (simps). But as I have fallen lower and lower into the monger class system, I have gotten crass and crude, and shamefully quite cynical.

I would like to thank you Pete, you have shown me the error of my ways. I will be much more careful not to insult the stupidity of my high class brethren. Out of pure low class curiosity, could you explain how you "see hear" How does it speak volumes, please, I am not trying to make disparaging remarks about my betters. I'm certain it's a my low class ignorance showing through.

Incidentally, we have called a meeting of the low class to address your anger over those who choose to endanger you 'safe' mongers. We can't have these new condom melting diseases harming the hobbyist elite. I was unaware, that someone having unprotected experiences had such a profound affect on those who have protected fun. Thanks for pointing that out. I confess, I'm a bit ignorant about these things, maybe you would be so kind as to condescend enough to explain how that works, (the spread of disease from the bare class to the covered class). One last thing, could you please post a hierarchy of the class system? I'm pretty low, but I would like to know just where I fit in so I don't anonymously offend my superiors.[/QUOTE]Well put, and I bet some of the mongers who gave you shit recently won't truly comprehend what you just said.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while.

[/QUOTE]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]I feel you bunnery, I think the main problem is that we expect to get what we pay for.

If you tax 60 for HH, give me the full HH. If you tax 150 for HH, give me the full HH.

If you tax 500 for HH, give me the HH!!

I never go for the upsell crap, it's a scam to me.

I hate when a chicks ad quotes a certain rate, but when I get there it's an extra 50 for this or that.

No, everything should be included in your base rate. Especially when your ad does not state limited services.

A simp tries to offer a greater incentive to get his way, but they fail to realize that it doesn't make a difference most of the time.

In my earlier mongering days, a chick on Covington hey quoted me 40 for the qv. Only for me to find out that FS was not included, only CBJ. This was after I handed donation over.

So like a simp, I went back to my car and grabbed an extra 20 and came back.

I had rushed cfs with her and felt like a complete simp. NEVER again! I should have took my chips back and left.

You live and you learn, but some of these fellows are 50+ and still haven't learned.

I guess it's true that older people are set in their ways. Like I said before, simps serve a purpose as food for these "providers".

Let them eat!

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]Do you tip the waitress?

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]It's known as an incentive.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;3337764]It's known as an incentive.[/QUOTE]Isn't this my point though? Somebody who is already getting 150 from you needs further incentive to provide the service which was already agreed would be provided for 150?

[QUOTE=Island1981;3337736]Do you tip the waitress?[/QUOTE]People tip based on service level and food quality AFTER they get their dam food. Suckers tip before.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]So, you think an extra 25 is going to matter to someone who already intends to rip you for 150.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3337596]Well put, and I bet some of the mongers who gave you shit recently won't truly comprehend what you just said.[/QUOTE]Naw, they'll partially read it, form an opinion and post accordingly.

It is a good debate though. I am really enjoying the differing philosophies on renting cooter. .

[QUOTE=NewDude;3338001]People tip based on service level and food quality AFTER they get their dam food. Suckers tip before.[/QUOTE]BINGO!

I'm glad we have a few intelligent men in here.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3338138]BINGO!

I'm glad we have a few intelligent men in here.[/QUOTE]Reading is fundamental. Here's what dude posted: 'But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. '.

That's not tipping before service is rendered, it is offering an incentive before service is rendered. For an example, GDOT is offering an extra $30m if 85 bridge is up and in service in less than a month. That's not tipping before a service is rendered, that's an incentive.

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3338055]Naw, they'll partially read it, form an opinion and post accordingly.[/QUOTE]Exactly, a rush to judgment without comprehending.

"You can't fix stupid. " (Ron White) 'Nuff said.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;3338732]Reading is fundamental. Here's what dude posted: 'But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. '.

That's not tipping before service is rendered, it is offering an incentive before service is rendered. For an example, GDOT is offering an extra $30m if 85 bridge is up and in service in less than a month. That's not tipping before a service is rendered, that's an incentive.[/QUOTE]Very well said. And if GDOT is offering an extra $30 mil for early completion, I'd love to have that contract!

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;3338732]Reading is fundamental. Here's what dude posted: 'But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. '.

That's not tipping before service is rendered, it is offering an incentive before service is rendered. For an example, GDOT is offering an extra $30m if 85 bridge is up and in service in less than a month. That's not tipping before a service is rendered, that's an incentive.[/QUOTE]What you say would be true if you are paying after service is rendered. More likely than not, a provider wants the donation upfront. Usually the response to what you quoted above is "I'll definitely make it worth your while. Where's the cash? LOL!

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;3338732]Reading is fundamental. Here's what dude posted: 'But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. '.

That's not tipping before service is rendered, it is offering an incentive before service is rendered. For an example, GDOT is offering an extra $30m if 85 bridge is up and in service in less than a month. That's not tipping before a service is rendered, that's an incentive.[/QUOTE]You are a simp if you have to give someone an "incentive" to do their job.

This subject is just beating a dead horse, I give up.

You "men" go ahead and enjoy being simps, more power to you. It's really pathetic how "men" sit here and try to defend this bs.

Arguing with you always leads no where, No logic whatsoever. You can have the last words.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3337699]I feel you bunnery, I think the main problem is that we expect to get what we pay for.

If you tax 60 for HH, give me the full HH. If you tax 150 for HH, give me the full HH.

If you tax 500 for HH, give me the HH!!

I never go for the upsell crap, it's a scam to me.

I hate when a chicks ad quotes a certain rate, but when I get there it's an extra 50 for this or that.

No, everything should be included in your base rate. Especially when your ad does not state limited services.

A simp tries to offer a greater incentive to get his way, but they fail to realize that it doesn't make a difference most of the time.

In my earlier mongering days, a chick on Covington hey quoted me 40 for the qv. Only for me to find out that FS was not included, only CBJ. This was after I handed donation over.

So like a simp, I went back to my car and grabbed an extra 20 and came back.

I had rushed cfs with her and felt like a complete simp. NEVER again! I should have took my chips back and left.

You live and you learn, but some of these fellows are 50+ and still haven't learned.

I guess it's true that older people are set in their ways. Like I said before, simps serve a purpose as food for these "providers".

Let them eat![/QUOTE]Believe it or not, there are quality providers out there who are not looking to rip you off for $150. There are plenty who want you to come back, and value you and your money. But, those kind never offer the $60 QV's that some see as value. Spend your money how you want, and I'll do the same.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3339160]Believe it or not, there are quality providers out there who are not looking to rip you off for $150. There are plenty who want you to come back, and value you and your money. But, those kind never offer the $60 QV's that some see as value. Spend your money how you want, and I'll do the same.[/QUOTE]But, as you say there are good quality providers out there who are not looking to rip you off for $150. So, why must you let them know that you have $175 for her if she makes it worth your while. If she's such a quality provider as you say for the $150, why does she need to be told that the she will get $25 extra if she makes it worth your while. Do you not have any confidence that the quality $150 provider will make it worth you while for her stated ad price of $150. Is the $150 she's originally charging her lay down price? Is the extra $25 incentive for her to actually do something instead of just laying there like a dead fish?

Is she really a "quality provider" if she needs a monetary incentive to make it worth a customers wild? Why not just be blunt with it and say that your brown nosing and hoping that the extra incentive you give her will be the incentive enough to guarantee you good service. My friend, a good quality provider needs no incentive to make her services worth her customers wild. Her service speaks for itself and she needs no incentive to perform. Your brown nosing. Stop it!

[QUOTE=Allen981;3339160]Believe it or not, there are quality providers out there who are not looking to rip you off for $150. There are plenty who want you to come back, and value you and your money. But, those kind never offer the $60 QV's that some see as value. Spend your money how you want, and I'll do the same.[/QUOTE]That's just not True Allen, and I'm speaking from firsthand experience.

One of my ATF (all time favorites) is a thick (not fat) and cute exotic, but Americanized chick in her 20's who does OUTCALLS to my place for 40, no bs.

It's supposed to be 40 for qv, but she's not a clock watcher and we have good chemistry. I usually pop at least 2 loads within 45 minutes, and I only tip her if I feel like it (which is NOT very often).

I definitely consider her a GREAT "value," contrary to what you've wrote.

Also, there are a FEW providers who are worth 150 on BP, but NOT MANY!! Most of the chicks taxing 150+ are DEFINITELY NOT worth those rates, and I read subpar reviews about them all the time. However, foolish and thirsty old men take WHATEVER they get and convince themselves that it was a good value.

If a provider is taxing 150++, especially for qv or hh, them she better NOT RUSH, live in a nice upscale area, and have a CLEAN and safe location.

Many of the girls charging 100+ are in rundown notes, or ghetto areas, they rush mongers and they have aggressive handlers.

You've got girls on the Southside charging 100+, I laugh at those inflated rates, totally not worth it.

You've got black cherry (who has definitely gone down the drain), who taxes 100+, but lives in a VERY ghetto and rundown apartment complex on the Southside, and she is known to have a bad attitude and she is no longer in tip top shape, but STILL taxing 100 plus.

There are plenty of other low level providers taxing 100 plus as well. They are definitely not worth it.

I also think mongers who pay 100 for qv are stupid. 100 bones just for a rushed 15 minutes? Many of those 100 qv providers have you out the door in 8 minutes before you know what happened.

As you say, "spend your money how you want. " Just know you are most likely a SUPER SIMP for doing so, and that's a FACT.

But keep doing what "works" for you. Take care!!