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[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1131448]When you give all this advice as you claim to these women, do you use the same vocabulary and dialogue as you do here?

You get mad if a girl finds out something you say about her yet you repeatedly come here and insult women in this business and even women in general. Go read through your posts. Look at how many times you refer to them as "skanks, ho's, bitches, cows, thieves, hustlers", and your favorite word of all "heifer." You didn't like it when a provider cursed at you on the forum, but you seem to think it's okay to repeatedly insult women. The root of the problem is what you say about women, but don't understand why they get mad and you and as you say,"She stopped talking to me for no apparent reason." There are reasons you just don't seem to realize you publicly show you have a bad attitude towards women. Go read through you own posts.

Personally, I am tired of your childish, immature remarks towards women. There's no need for it here on this forum. To me, you're setting a poor example of what a member here is supposed to be and a patron of the hobby.

Just a tip. Maybe if you go back and take a look at what you say some of your problems with disappear.[/QUOTE]I find it incredibly interesting that anyone would seek to defend the behavior of informing providers of what is said about them on the board. It is even more interesting that anyone would seek to attack another board member to make their argument. I don't know what you really sought to accomplish but I'm not sure you accomplished anything by attacking me.

First of all how I speak to women / providers in private is not the business or concern of anyone but the two people talking. I learned from some wise people many years ago, 'If you don't have any business, make it your business, not to mind anyone else's business'.

The way men talk to each other in general and especially about women is different than how they speak to women when alone with them. Every man knows that so your opening question was ridiculous.

Me being upset that there are weak minded, sucker for love, snitches running back and telling providers what is being said about them for their own selfish motives, has NOTHING to do with how I talk about women in post. I don't have time to mind everyone else's business or go back and read my old post. I do feel confident that I have not referred to women as 'ho's or bitches'. Those adjectives were added in effort to be more dramatic. Why do that, the point as weak as it is, would have been the same with the other adjectives that I will admit? I feel heifer is not as harsh as '*****' and it is a general term for women that I deem as being trifling and only attempting to do me / us in not provide fair exchange.

Hello, they are not supposed to be reading or hearing what is posted, they can't be insulted by what they don't know. Again they may be insulted when some spineless types run and tell them details of a post. My post are honest and informative. If a provider is a thief, she's a thief, if they are hustlers, they are hustlers, and if they are skanks they are skanks. I don't make it up. If they are decent I report that just as accurately.

You really show your hand by implying that you have knowledge of why someone may or may not be talking to me. WHY IS THAT YOUR BUSINESS? If a provider no longer speaks to me because she read that I said that she was a trifling thief, then why would I care? I don't want to get with the trifling thief again.

Now talk about going back and reading post. People don't have to go too far back to see where you.

Posted pictures of a provider and sought to discredit her for no apparent reason. If you did have a reason it was not reported. More than one board member commented on the inappropriateness of the post and the pictures being posted. I thought it was messed up but I stayed out of it, it wasn't my business. You want to talk about a 'poor example'? That kind of thing was so clearly vindictive and could not only have hurt her financially, which I'm sure it did, but could have got her tore off. What did she do to you to deserve that? I mean I might actually empathize if she robbed you or something but I suspect your little feelers were hurt.

You speak of my 'problems'. You don't know me and I don't have any problems in this hobby except for hustlers, thieves, and skanks trying to get over. I have no problem on the board except for what another SM appropriately described as RATS. The assertion that if I start speaking of providers as some highly virtuous women and not describe them in any unflattering terms, then all of a sudden I will start getting great value and mileage is so absurd. Nobody here is going to believe that! I am usually very happy with the mileage I get with the limited resources I have.

Finally, I don't really give a shit what you are 'tired' of. Like you have some authority to be tired of something? There are so many hear that are 'tired' of your shit but people have the tact not to speak on it publicly. Well since you shot the first arrow across the bow. Your condescending attitude is notorious, lame, and exhausting. It is obvious that you have way too much time on your hands. The research you do is like uncle, researching post, google searches, CL searches, BP searches, provider interrogations, tineye. And on and on. Do you but leave people alone, keep your mouth off of me and others. I am confident that plenty share my sentiments.

You can't turn a working girl into a housewife. I'm not captain save a ho, a sugar daddy, a mark, or a sucker. There are some girls out here that are cool as hell but the majority of them already have boyfriends or they are definitely not looking to make a boyfriend out of one of their customers. I'm not kissing their ass or playing games with these girls.

I and many others will agree, this board works far better if men do not inform to the providers what is said about them in post good or bad. Also if members stay out of each other's business. If you can help someone help them, if all you have is some weak off the wall criticism, keep it to yourself.

[QUOTE=Scientific1; 1131615]While I would like to agree with points made on both sides of the argument, I feel like this issue (if you want to even call an issue) really comes from the perception that is given to this board and how there is a line driven between older (trusted members) and newer members. I said this same thing a little while back when talking to a a fellow member who was withholding information about a provider that could have possibly been burning up the community with an STD or 2. If more people would use this board how it is intended (I. E. INFORMATION) , then everything would be just fine. I don't even have enough toes and fingers to count the amount of reports that I have read that won't give full detail about an encounter or provider information because you aren't a "Trusted / Senior" member. It would be easier for you to give that information to members that you communicate to on a regular basis, then for you to make a post saying that you have information but will only give it up to a select few. There are also times when new guys come through and ask questions and have gotten ripped by certain members. While I am a firm believer in the "search" feature in a forum, but I do not agree with the way that I have seen some of these guys get talked to when they ask about a certain provider or how something is done in the business. Like Fotog said, I don't think some of "us" (I say us because we are all here with the same intent) remember what we have posted or really care, because if so then you would fully understand why these newbies and providers are clashing against the board. You are mistaking the resentment towards just you, and making it about the board. You never know why the person told the provider, maybe he didn't like the way you talked to him about asking questions, maybe because of his inexperience he thinks that talking to a provider on a personal level is making him more comfortable. Who knows.

Is it right? Definitely not but if you want it to get better, change your approach on how you conduct business and share information on here. Take our roles as vets and seniors members more seriously in making people understand the significance behind what we are all doing here, instead of making them feel like there not on our level so don't talk to me. Help guide them and let them know what proper etiquette is when it comes to the boards. How can you use words like "brotherhood" and "we are our brothers keepers" when there is such vivid division and separation among members here. There are other sites out there that charge a fee and you can get all of the information that you want even down to if the provider is bald or has a landing strip. LOL, but for some reason we can't get this "FREE" board to work properly? Come on guys lets get it together. [/QUOTE]Well bottom line is that you concede that it is 'definitely not' right for a hobbyist to inform to a provider what is being said on this board. Everything else you say is to justify the behavior. Sort of a contradiction.

When I first came to this board SM were not just giving me great info left and right. It does not work that way. Also because of board snitches and fear of uncle, members are increasingly more careful about what they post. Sometimes some stern or sarcastic talk is needed to motivate undereducated and / or lazy newbies. Can't just come here and expect step by step tutorials. Some barely seem to know where their own penis is located. I'm sorry but it may be necessary to weed out some. This isn't for everyone. I don't want to see anyone get robbed or locked up. If they ask general questions that will help this from happening, there is no problem, but if they want detailed information with less than 10 post, I'm sorry, that is dangerous. The forum has some great resources here. I have gone to the abbreviations tab many times to learn terms that I was not familiar with even though had been doing this for many years before discovering this board. They also have rules to mongering tab. New members can use the tools that are here, have a few dreams, report them and when people are comfortable that they are not uncle or going to get hurt, then a more free flow of information will be forthcoming. That is not unreasonable.

If some new person is 'clashing' against the board because his hand is not being held, that is ridiculous. Decent providers are not in abundance. We are not just going to give up info about them to someone that just jumped on the board, sorry it doesn't work that way. Uncle is here, you must know that. How would a SM feel if he gave up info to a newbie and a decent provider got hurt or jailed?

OK guys. Time to cool it. Can I suggest a Flame Thread where people can go at it to their hearts content and not clog up the main discussion threads!

Have a great and happy day. GW.

P. S. I have a new UTR petite black 21 year old student if anybody wants to PM me! (Isn't this why we have this board *GRIN*)

How much is she charging and what services are provided?

[QUOTE=Guywoodson; 1132214]OK guys. Time to cool it. Can I suggest a Flame Thread where people can go at it to their hearts content and not clog up the main discussion threads!

Have a great and happy day. GW.

P. S. I have a new UTR petite black 21 year old student if anybody wants to PM me! (Isn't this why we have this board *GRIN*) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jimmyjams; 1132166]Well bottom line is that you concede that it is 'definitely not' right for a hobbyist to inform to a provider what is being said on this board. Everything else you say is to justify the behavior. Sort of a contradiction.

When I first came to this board SM were not just giving me great info left and right. It does not work that way. Also because of board snitches and fear of uncle, members are increasingly more careful about what they post. Sometimes some stern or sarcastic talk is needed to motivate undereducated and / or lazy newbies. Can't just come here and expect step by step tutorials. Some barely seem to know where their own penis is located. I'm sorry but it may be necessary to weed out some. This isn't for everyone. I don't want to see anyone get robbed or locked up. If they ask general questions that will help this from happening, there is no problem, but if they want detailed information with less than 10 post, I'm sorry, that is dangerous. The forum has some great resources here. I have gone to the abbreviations tab many times to learn terms that I was not familiar with even though had been doing this for many years before discovering this board. They also have rules to mongering tab. New members can use the tools that are here, have a few dreams, report them and when people are comfortable that they are not uncle or going to get hurt, then a more free flow of information will be forthcoming. That is not unreasonable.

If some new person is 'clashing' against the board because his hand is not being held, that is ridiculous. Decent providers are not in abundance. We are not just going to give up info about them to someone that just jumped on the board, sorry it doesn't work that way. Uncle is here, you must know that. How would a SM feel if he gave up info to a newbie and a decent provider got hurt or jailed? [/QUOTE]Nice post Jimmy, I am new to this board and I hope that it works well for me, I want to make sure I am getting the bast for my cash and don't want to get any STD's as well. I would hope that everyone will use this so that we can watch each others back, but, some people are not that way, I am more then happy to shair any info that I have in the hopes that we all get the biggest bang for our bucks.

[QUOTE=SettleDown; 1130699]It seems to me that some of the memebers of this board both newbees and seniormembers just quite don't get what the purpose of this board was meant for, I'm sure this has been said in the past but maybe some of you guys didn't read the post or understand.

1. This post is to help you understand the streets and to help you find some ways to release some of your built up tension.

2. This post is used to hopefully keep you from running into a bad situation with either LE, or a stupid bf or pimp.

3. This post was set up for many reasons, to be used wisely by all and not to be misused or betrayed.

4. This group is made up of a fine group of gentlemen from all over the world a (Brotherhood). So yes, we are our BROTHERS keeper.

With that being said, this post was not set up for men to run around like little bitches, and time they read or see a post, time they get to the provider or girl and tell them word for word what was shared on the post, it was not meant for shared information that was mailed to you by another member to be disclosed to the provider or anyone else.

I don't know why this is so important to share, I quite sure it do not get you any type of a discount, so fellows grow up, go get your dick sucked, fucked, whatever it is you want or need to do, but please keep your big fuc*ing mouths closed. I see why other members no longer like to share information. [/QUOTE]Worst part loose lips are not limited to just this group but a lot of forums. I have yet to be burnt after sharing but hopefully not anytime too soon. I tried responding to your PM but your box is full. Anyway hopefully will catch you later.

[QUOTE=Jimmyjams; 1132166]Well bottom line is that you concede that it is 'definitely not' right for a hobbyist to inform to a provider what is being said on this board. Everything else you say is to justify the behavior. Sort of a contradiction.

When I first came to this board SM were not just giving me great info left and right. It does not work that way. Also because of board snitches and fear of uncle, members are increasingly more careful about what they post. Sometimes some stern or sarcastic talk is needed to motivate undereducated and / or lazy newbies. Can't just come here and expect step by step tutorials. Some barely seem to know where their own penis is located. I'm sorry but it may be necessary to weed out some. This isn't for everyone. I don't want to see anyone get robbed or locked up. If they ask general questions that will help this from happening, there is no problem, but if they want detailed information with less than 10 post, I'm sorry, that is dangerous. The forum has some great resources here. I have gone to the abbreviations tab many times to learn terms that I was not familiar with even though had been doing this for many years before discovering this board. They also have rules to mongering tab. New members can use the tools that are here, have a few dreams, report them and when people are comfortable that they are not uncle or going to get hurt, then a more free flow of information will be forthcoming. That is not unreasonable.

If some new person is 'clashing' against the board because his hand is not being held, that is ridiculous. Decent providers are not in abundance. We are not just going to give up info about them to someone that just jumped on the board, sorry it doesn't work that way. Uncle is here, you must know that. How would a SM feel if he gave up info to a newbie and a decent provider got hurt or jailed? [/QUOTE]If you read my post thoroughly you would have saw that I was giving you a total view and of both sides instead of just from the side of "stop snitching", so you seeing it as a contradiction is your opinion. Like I said before I don't agree with members talking to providers and giving them information for "freebies" or "better experiences", however with the way that this board has been going for the past few months, I was simply trying to point out other reasons that these guys could be informing these providers. As far as the information being shared, I never said that you should share info with everyone, but there is a way that you could talk to people that would limit the amount of backlash that is being showed against certain members. I mean I have witnessed flaming each other over opinions as well as providers going at members. So obviously there is some merit behind what I am saying. The whole thing in a nutshell is, if you want less problems try contacting trusted members directly instead of broadcasting that you have hot / good information about a provider but will only give it to "trusted members". If it is information that is detrimental to the safety of the hobby and this boards members then by all means share. If you have had an encounter that wasn't the best. Share. But if you've found a new provider in which you are only providing a made up name and no contact information why tell anyone about it at all, especially if it wasn't a bad experience. In those situations I would myself just talk to members that I normally talk to or people that I deal with personally. Once again this is my opinion and it's not here for you to like or agree, just like to make my side explained.

Touche.

I don't see much sense in talking about an awesome experience with no intention of sharing info either but to say "info for SM" is not necessarily a slap to the excluded. It's not a "na na na na na" thing. It informs those that don't have SM status that one is not willing (and for good reason usually) to share the info with just any and everyone.

Again, nothing wrong with paying your dues and earning your stripes.

I still don't see why that would justify being a board snitch?"Oh you don't treat me right, you don't give me good info and I just got here, I'm going to run and tell girls what you say about them." Really?

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1132214]P. S. I have a new UTR petite black 21 year old student if anybody wants to PM me! (Isn't this why we have this board *GRIN*)[/QUOTE]Your UTR petite black 21 year old student is NOT utr. She has been advertising and solicting e-mails on public board.

This is the post that I was referring to in my PM to you, I tried responding back but your box is full.

[QUOTE=SettleDown;1128184]Met a blk girl a few week back on a web site called tag, said her and a friend were having a BJ contest, I deceided to take her up on her offer, she informed me there was a fee involved, which I agreed to. After I set things up she infomed me that her friend was out of town but I could still meet with her, which I did. Anyway ended up hooking up went to a motel stayed for a few hours and had a good time, this week end me and a friend tried to set up a little orgy where we would bang both of them and swap them around, couldn't get the details to work out, so that little party didn't' go down, tonight I got a phone call from the other girl who was pose to take part, she turned out to be a wht girl she was 19, not the cuties thing you ever saw, but she would do the job, and everything was on the menu, I took her up on her offer of two back to back bjcims, this set me back a Jackson, she then told me not to be bother with the blk girl any more, and she would set me up with her and a friend this week end, and I could switch anytime I wanted, because she is mad at the blk girl the one I knew 1st. She told me she would have her give me a bjcims, I'm going to take her up on both offers. The white girl said she only like blk guys, sorry fellows came from her mouth, not mine, anyway both these girls are 19 and the blk girl is tight as hell, will do her again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Grand Mephisto;1133590]Your UTR petite black 21 year old student is NOT utr. She has been advertising and solicting e-mails on public board.[/QUOTE]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience.

Exactly my experience with her. I will really have to be hard up to go back.

[QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1135294]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience. [/QUOTE]

Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.

[QUOTE=Hsrams;1135307]Exactly my experience with her. I will really have to be hard up to go back.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Richmond Guy; 1135294]I first emailed Beth when she responded to me off a CL casual encounters post. She offered a "candle package" for $.5. We emailed back and forth, and after GW's recommendation, I decided to see her. She claimed to be VCU, but then confessed to J Sarge. Not a big deal. This is a real YMMV girl. She was distracted and fairly unpersonable. Certainly not GFE. She is a decent value for the money and not bad looking, although a little the worse for wear if she really is 21. I emailed her to talk about seeing her again, and indicated that I thought she was a bit distracted (I thought it was because she was in a bit of a hurry. Had another appointment). Well, she didn't appreciate that and that how she was feeling during the appointment was none of my business.

Anyway, I obviously won't see her again, but for some of you, it might be a good experience. [/QUOTE]

I totally understand the YMMV thing. It even comes into play with different visits to the same SW. One day pretty good. The next sucks. Just human nature sometimes and the fact that we cannot always be on our best game. The thing about Beth is it would only take a little coaching for her to understand what she needs to do to insure return customers. It has to be much easier to keep a good customer coming back, than the risks she goes through every time she brings in a new one. I have received solid leads from you before, so am not doubting that she can be good under the right circumstances.

HS.

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1135375]Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guywoodson;1135375]Very sorry guys. I had a great time. I guess YMMV is such a valid point.[/QUOTE]I think another factor is how some guys interpret "Good service", compared to other guys. I do believe some guys become used to being rushed. (I'm not implying that about GW) I mean that in general.