Drama 101 in Cleveland

[QUOTE=JackAss16;5970006]You guys are so gullible. She got a staph infection in her foot from shooting heroin in her foot. Eventually it spread to the bone and that's why she got her leg lopped off. If any of you know her so well, do the research. She's don't hard time in prison Afterall. Threat why she's a hooker: hard to get a job as a felon and can't pass a drug test.[/QUOTE]Did people actually not realize this?

But more importantly, does it even matter? Its an awful thing and she in no way deserved it.

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;5970998]Did people actually not realize this?

But more importantly, does it even matter? Its an awful thing and she in no way deserved it.[/QUOTE]Its 2022, who cares what drugs people do in their free time. Its the criminal element that makes drugs a problem anyway. I personally think all of them should be decriminalized to a fineable offense with no jail time and no requirement to report on job applications for low level possession, besides heroin and meth, reduce heroin and meth to first degree misdemeanors. Then people could get jobs and survive, and the world could live in harmony. Its too easy to get a felony in this country, as well as to difficult to survive, that's why alot of people turn to drugs, because that coupled with a corrupt court system makes them feel like the juice isn't worth the squeeze, so they say fuck it, and do their drugs and get worst case scenario hots and a cot.

C92.

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;5970998]Did people actually not realize this?

But more importantly, does it even matter? Its an awful thing and she in no way deserved it.[/QUOTE]I think people didn't realize it and expressed that here, I remember her having a nasty abscess on her leg. But I agree with you, it doesn't change anything or give reason to be harsh towards her at all, it's a terrible thing no matter the cause and addiction is an illness.

As expressed in another thread I believe, or maybe it was even here, this is part of the unseen toll of the drug epidemic. People die from infections, complications, suicide. The toll on families and society at large.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5971013]Its 2022, who cares what drugs people do in their free time . . . C92.[/QUOTE]Paraphrasing from a sermon by John Donne, we are all part of mankind, and another person's addiction is a loss to us all.

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. ".

We all will die: the bell will toll for each one of us.

[URL]https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118[/URL]

[QUOTE=Navritol;5971997]Paraphrasing from a sermon by John Donne, we are all part of mankind, and another person's addiction is a loss to us all.

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. ".

We all will die: the bell will toll for each one of us.

[URL]https://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2118[/URL][/QUOTE]Eloquently said, here is mine. You ever watch Morgan Freeman in lean on me? You don't have to watch the whole thing, just this brief few second clip attached for this line.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpAJ4Lcu4Q[/URL]

At the end of the day, they are branded as felons and put in the cages the elite have crafted for them, and no matter how hard they try, they can't make enough money at the jobs they can get as felons so they fall right back into addiction. Representing the cages that Morgan Freeman deserved everyone to be freed from. The difference between addiction and non addiction is all about environment. If people were all living comfortably and not worried about how to pay for necessities, all of this suffering would be non-existent. Here is an article that proves just that. Decriminalize.

[URL]https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction[/URL]

C92.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5973189]

[URL]https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction[/URL]

C92.[/QUOTE]Very good article.

"A social community beat the power of drugs. ".

"Mother Theresa, not someone often quoted in medical journals, said, 'If you want to change the world, go home and love your family. '.

Overdose deaths increased by 41%.

Murders increased 109%.

Addicts shooting up in public on the streets.

There is no perfect answer.

Maybe decriminalization could work if drug treatment was mandatory and forced stays at drug recovery centers with mental health support.

For some, the drugs have already destroyed any chance at recovery.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5973189]Eloquently said, here is mine. You ever watch Morgan Freeman in lean on me? You don't have to watch the whole thing, just this brief few second clip attached this line.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpAJ4Lcu4Q[/URL]

At the end of the day, they are branded as felons and put in the cages the elite have crafted for them, and no matter how hard they try, they can't make enough money at the jobs they can get as felons so they fall right back into addiction. Representing the cages that Morgan Freeman deserved everyone to be freed from. The difference between addiction and non addiction is all about environment. If people were all living comfortably and not worried about how to pay for necessities, all of this suffering would be non-existent. Here is an article that proves just that. Decriminalize.

[URL]https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-does-rat-park-teach-us-about-addiction[/URL]

C92.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DBrown656;5973708]Overdose deaths increased by 41%.

Murders increased 109%.

Addicts shooting up in public on the streets.

There is no perfect answer.

Maybe decriminalization could work if drug treatment was mandatory and forced stays at drug recovery centers with mental health support.

For some, the drugs have already destroyed any chance at recovery.[/QUOTE]What went wrong in Portland was they passed decriminalization without the healthcare system being ready. This is what happens when an entire country decides to treat addiction as a health care issue and not a criminal issue.

[URL]https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight[/URL]

FYI "forced stays in rehab" is just a different kind of jail. Before Harry Anslinger made up all the lies about drugs and got them criminalized so he could get a job people used to be able to walk into a drug store and buy what they wanted, then they went home and took it and went to work the next day. I've been sober forever, availability of drugs doesn't make addicts, lack of community and childhood trauma is what creates addicts.

Before you throw out the next "but I don't want to pay for their drugs" line, for what you are currently spending to jail addicts you could give every junkie in the world all the dope they would ever use plus give them a place to live and still spend less tax payer money. It wouldn't be as satisfying as knowing you were locking those scumbags up but it would be less money.

A2.

I agree with Admin. Not too many people know about Anslinger, in fact he was trying to keep his power and position as all government employees do, as the end of prohibition, (another miserable failure,) was going to end his job, power, and the employment of thousands of "Revenue Agents" who he controlled. Its not that they were too stupid to see that prohibition failed and created the greatest revenue generating opportunity the various mobs had ever seen, its that they didn't want to lose the power.

Not only does criminalization of substances people want create hundreds of thousands of jobs, think prisons, cops, social workers, and everyone involved, but it also creates addicts, because now that the material is only available on the black market, the cost of that material skyrockets and creates mass earning opportunity. That then causes the people at the street sales level to want to create more addicts to increase there profits.

I could go on. At length.

But none of these problems we have today existed on a significant level prior to criminalization.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;5973764]I agree with Admin. Not too many people know about Anslinger, in fact he was trying to keep his power and position as all government employees do, as the end of prohibition, (another miserable failure,) was going to end his job, power, and the employment of thousands of "Revenue Agents" who he controlled. Its not that they were too stupid to see that prohibition failed and created the greatest revenue generating opportunity the various mobs had ever seen, its that they didn't want to lose the power.

Not only does criminalization of substances people want create hundreds of thousands of jobs, think prisons, cops, social workers, and everyone involved, but it also creates addicts, because now that the material is only available on the black market, the cost of that material skyrockets and creates mass earning opportunity. That then causes the people at the street sales level to want to create more addicts to increase there profits.

I could go on. At length.

But none of these problems we have today existed on a significant level prior to criminalization.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]Love yours and A2's comments regarding this Cheech. Criminalization is all about control. Similar to the drugs, this is the exact reason why the hobby is illegal and they sting so aggressively, if everyone was as keen to the stings as guys like us, there would be no need for divorce attorneys / marraige counselors / and various other professions. And you know what's messed up? I'm actually trying to date normally right now, and the games people play is just stupid. I was talking to this chick, early 40's, everything was going great, went out to dinner a couple times hooked up once, she actually was pursuing me alot more then I was pursuing her and calling me every day, then I didn't answer my phone this time because I was busy and an hour later I'm blocked with a bunch of bs messages about how "im too busy for her". Would have been alot less wasted time and the same amount of money to just go out and drop a franklin on an escort. Thats why I enjoyed the hobby for the thrill of the chase and the simplicity of the transactional nature of it, and the fact that I've met women that ended up being significant others in the hobby because escorts are often more down to earth and understand me more. It sucks being the last of a dying breed, the world we live in has gone to shit and it just doesn't feel like the juice is worth the squeeze. Which also is a reason people use drugs, they do it to to fill a void.

C92.

The problem is as described by the admin and cheech but also tied to one other thing in politics.

Religion.

We have too many politicians who dictate that sex is bad and paying for it is against the ideals of a made up rule book from ancient history.

This is just one of the examples of why they shouldn't allow religion to have any sway in politics and need to actually SEPARATE church and state from one another.

If they didn't have to pander to the all these religious groups they wouldn't give two shits ultimately about hookers and johns fucking.

There always seems an excuse or reason for failure. Until some city can be successful in legalizing drugs and not end up killing a bunch of people or increasing crime, I can't support it. I don't believe governments have the ability to manage anything well. Feel free to identify any successful transition for legalized drugs.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5973732]What went wrong in Portland was they passed decriminalization without the healthcare system being ready. This is what happens when an entire country decides to treat addiction as a health care issue and not a criminal issue.

[URL]https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight[/URL]

FYI "forced stays in rehab" is just a different kind of jail. Before Harry Anslinger made up all the lies about drugs and got them criminalized so he could get a job people used to be able to walk into a drug store and buy what they wanted, then they went home and took it and went to work the next day. I've been sober forever, availability of drugs doesn't make addicts, lack of community and childhood trauma is what creates addicts.

Before you throw out the next "but I don't want to pay for their drugs" line, for what you are currently spending to jail addicts you could give every junkie in the world all the dope they would ever use plus give them a place to live and still spend less tax payer money. It wouldn't be as satisfying as knowing you were locking those scumbags up but it would be less money.

A2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Asmoth;5974890]The problem is as described by the admin and cheech but also tied to one other thing in politics.

Religion.

We have too many politicians who dictate that sex is bad and paying for it is against the ideals of a made up rule book from ancient history.

This is just one of the examples of why they shouldn't allow religion to have any sway in politics and need to actually SEPARATE church and state from one another.

If they didn't have to pander to the all these religious groups they wouldn't give two shits ultimately about hookers and johns fucking.[/QUOTE]Religion has always been the problem. One side wants to make God our Government, the other side wants to make Government our God. The only way to protect religious freedom is to keep government out of it. Unfortunately too many Americans do not belive in Separation of Church and State and the battle to legislate religion on one side and restrict religious freedoms on the other side will continue. We can't just live and let live.

These two areas are also big problems. Religion's beliefs are primarily (in reality) to control people thru fear of spending eternity in hell. A fantasy created by religionists that cannot be proven or disproven due to its nature. And, women support it because religion attempts to control the natural and biological desires of men.

Legalization in piecemeal fashion will never work because the other governments, state and federal, won't legalize drugs, and even if they did they would and will tax the hell out of it, just like alcohol and tobacco. If the government would just get the hell out of restricting drugs, and I mean local, state, AND federal, the problem would naturally decrease.

No smuggling. No gang wars over turf. No dealers glorifying drug use in order to increase their profit.

That wouldn't mean people wouldn't still use drugs. Always have always will. However, it would cost so much less to be able to buy whatever from your local pharmacy that crime would be dramatically reduced. After all, many men are addicts and they steal and do whatever they have to do to support their habits. Also, purity would be controlled, and for those who want to get off drugs their would be so much money available from the savings of not having hundreds of thousands in prison that it wouldn't be a problem.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=Budd2;5974993]Religion has always been the problem. One side wants to make God our Government, the other side wants to make Government our God. The only way to protect religious freedom is to keep government out of it. Unfortunately too many Americans do not belive in Separation of Church and State and the battle to legislate religion on one side and restrict religious freedoms on the other side will continue. We can't just live and let live.[/QUOTE]Agree with everything you said, just expanding on it. Many Americans would not be so supportive if they did their research beyond what they see in the news and look at the docket sheets for what really happens, not just in the hobby, but various other stuff as well. All of the "Karens" (and the male name equivalent of them) out there who go to Church on Sundays, pretend to be anti hooker, and pretend to be a do gooder, and then go abuse their server or cashier at the grocery store right after, would not be so supportive of being anti hooker if they realized they themselves have higher odds of walking into one of these stings then guys like us who have hobbied for years do LOL. Think about it, we have lived and breathed this shit, me and you Budd know a bogus post soon as it goes up, meanwhile some phony anti hooker dumbass like we discussed gets horny some random night, goes on SKG not knowing what he is doing, and picks a sting ad doing no research and gets an Eng in prostitution charge. All of a sudden magically they wouldn't be so supportive of being anti hooker. Same goes for these clown politicians trying to overturn Roe Vs Wade. They are all hypocrites with no scruples.

C92.