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		[QUOTE=Shawtren;7217190]Well, Rogue, I think you have learned a valuable lesson. NEVER EVER give a deposit! You would get more use out of the money by wiping your ass with it
 
 But, this is just MY opinion.
 
 Play safe!
 
 Shaw.[/QUOTE]Thanks Shaw, still learning, that's why I joined this forum.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=VirCof;7217108]Thanks for the review, do you know any Asian in a hotel or apartment in Livonia area? The one that was Novi, it moved close to Wixom area.[/QUOTE]Sorry man.
 
 Not sure of Novi area.
 
 Too far from me.
 
 Never tried any AMPs there.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=Rogue59;7217903]Thanks Shaw, still learning, that's why I joined this forum.[/QUOTE]Never give a deposit ever. 
 
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		[QUOTE=Rogue59;7217900]I posted 2 threads.
 
 What threads are you referencing? When I find a provider, I try to find reviews, I do a reverse face search, I try to research the phone # and I do an internet search, not sure what more there is out there.[/QUOTE]Try visiting women already reviewed by other mongers as "safe" and get your feet wet. I mean dick wet. LOL.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=SR7D1;7218498]Try visiting women already reviewed by other mongers as "safe" and get your feet wet. I mean dick wet. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the wisdom. Funny, I "interviewed" one provider and she said this is probably the first thing a client should do. 
 
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		[QUOTE=Vollan78;7217515]It is best to know the type of providers post on those sites. Skipthegames will generally be filled with junkies. Prices are going to be on the lower side. Listcrawler will have a lot of those too, but it will also have ads for visiting Latinas and others that are run by agencies. Listcrawler does have an advantage of being able to post and see reviews though the Escort Babylon links on the pages. Take those with a grain of salt as the providers can have them removed.
 
 Tryst started as an alternative to Eros and focused on independent women. You get the wide variety of prices and providers. You may see a junkie posting for $100 an hour, or may see a high end girl on there quoting $1400.
 
 Eros shows more quality ads, but has been overrun by agency girls. Almost all that are on there are visiting Latinas, Brazilians, or European. The cost on there is more high end side $400+ per hour.
 
 You have to decide what you are looking for and what you are willing to spend. What is good for one of us might not be for another..[/QUOTE]Thanks, some really good info here from what sounds like a seasoned veteran I'm kind of partial to tryst based on my previous experiences above, I just need to be more diligent in vetting them.
 
 
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		Lot to learn 
		[QUOTE=Rogue59;7217900]I posted 2 threads.
 
 What threads are you referencing? When I find a provider, I try to find reviews, I do a reverse face search, I try to research the phone # and I do an internet search, not sure what more there is out there.[/QUOTE]You didn't post any threads. You made posts. Threads are the strings of posts in these forums.
 
 There is a lot more to than your few minutes of internet searchs.
 
 I will say it again. Read the f at #$ing threads. Read the forums. Read dozens upon dozens of pages of posts here to get a feel for this fun, but dangerous hobby. Reading some ads, some reverse photo and phone searches isn't enough. I've been at this on and off for over 40 years and while we have more info today, it's probably less safe than back then.
 
 Based on what you've written, you're liable to get taken, hopefully the worst would be for a few bucks.
 
 
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		Needed help 
		Could anybody please let me know any white girls to try? I have contact some from LC and adult search and most of them were fake or ghosts or asks deposit. Thanks in advance! 
 
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		Brave Fake Ad 
		We all know there are fake ads on these sites but I think this is the first one I've seen with them using somebody who's actually from this area. I doubt she started posting ads so she can make a little money. I haven't contacted yet to see if it's actually her but this is just a warning that this might not be who you're looking at. Don't want anybody to get catfished when they see those pics.
 
 [URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/detroit/female-escorts/latin/available-now--birmingham-girl/710663000001[/URL]
 
 
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		Anyone got a report on this one? The price is right and on the east side.
 
 Good reviews on LC but I don't really trust those.
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/183712452[/URL]
 
 
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		Deposits 
		[QUOTE=Rogue59;7216811]Hello fellow mongers. Just wanted to make a post and get some feed back on my experiences so far regarding this hobby even though I'm new to it. I have found this website to be very informative and appreciate all the reviews posted. So I wanted to breakdown results of my experiences so far, I have contacted providers as follows with the following results:
 
 Tryst- I contacted 9 providers: 4 responded / and services rendered without issue, 4 did not respond to emails or texts, 1 respronded (AR- I responded to a client question asking about her on this ewbsite)) and made an appointment, paid the deposit, and when I showed up she demanded the balance in full paid via electronic transfer before meeting- I told her I had plenty of cash- she rejected that, I told her after meeting you can watch me do the transfer immediately- she rejected that, so I told her I am not paying in full without meeting you and she said good bye and gave me some attitude about wasting her time, well she wasted my time as well. I believe this to be a common scam and I did not recognize some of the red flags, like no reviews available, she was too good looking for the low fee she advertised, and most online sites highly recommend not paying a deposit for incall services, and a few others- well, lesson learned- don't approach providers that require a deposit- problem is, many of them do.[/QUOTE]I'll go against the grain and say higher end providers pretty much always require a deposit and they're legit. At least the few I've been with. Obviously they're expensive but I find the experience they provide worth it to me.
 
 I'd never pay a deposit for a lower end provider, and even ones that seem higher end you've got to do lots of vetting beforehand. Some signs I've found to satisfy my suspicions are not advertising their OF on the listing, having an active social media presence, following their listing long enough to see new pictures that all look good (and like the same person), doesn't seem TGTBT (price is as high as you'd expect). Basically if you're interested want a high end experience expect to pay a deposit, but that's worth it from my experiences.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=OneBoyy;7219500]I'll go against the grain and say higher end providers pretty much always require a deposit and they're legit. At least the few I've been with. Obviously they're expensive but I find the experience they provide worth it to me.
 
 I'd never pay a deposit for a lower end provider, and even ones that seem higher end you've got to do lots of vetting beforehand. Some signs I've found to satisfy my suspicions are not advertising their OF on the listing, having an active social media presence, following their listing long enough to see new pictures that all look good (and like the same person), doesn't seem TGTBT (price is as high as you'd expect). Basically if you're interested want a high end experience expect to pay a deposit, but that's worth it from my experiences.[/QUOTE]That's how I feel about screening, but not deposits. For me, the problem with paying a deposit even with well-reviewed, higher-end providers is that sometimes something comes up and I have to cancel, and I won't get my money back. Also, in my experience, there are plenty of high-end providers who don't ask for a deposit, or sometimes only for outcall. For example, I've never been asked for a deposit to see any of the hot Brazilian touring girls. As for screening, you will virtually always have to give up some personal info with higher-end providers. Often, just giving them a LinkedIn link will do the trick. I'm okay with doing that; after all, it's a public profile and anyone who wants to look at it can look at it, and anyone who wants to falsely accuse me of something after looking at my LinkedIn can do that.
 
 
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		Just Say NO 
		Here is another thought on 'Deposits'.
 
 Imagine you are a hooker. You have two possible dates for 3 oclock. One guy who just called and asked to visit and is willing to pay your 250 hourly rate. Or the Other guy you phished a $100 deposit from last week, who will only net you the remaining $150 for that same one hour slot. Who are you going to spread your legs for?
 
 Money talks at the time of service. Period.
 
 Don't be a Simp and pay ahead (aka a deposit). Not even for a regular. Make that Especially NOT for a regular; it NEVER works out in your favor.
 
 Lessons learned the hard way.
 
 
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		Tgtbt 
		[QUOTE=TipTopTip;7219351]We all know there are fake ads on these sites but I think this is the first one I've seen with them using somebody who's actually from this area. I doubt she started posting ads so she can make a little money. I haven't contacted yet to see if it's actually her but this is just a warning that this might not be who you're looking at. Don't want anybody to get catfished when they see those pics.
 
 [URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/detroit/female-escorts/latin/available-now--birmingham-girl/710663000001[/URL][/QUOTE]I wrote the model on onlyfans, she said she never posted and asked me to let her know if the ad pops back up.
 
 
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		Anyone have any info?
 
 [QUOTE=ChrisDetroitMi;7202819]Anyone know of a couple for play? I know there were some posts awhile ago, I think one of them was a cuckold.
 
 Any info to share DM is open.[/QUOTE]