"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Well this last couple of weeks have been a learning experience. It definitely is a different type of hunt then what I'm used to. I've had some mixed results and defintely takes more time investment upfront than I'm used to. We'll see if it pays off in a more satisfying fun time.

Updates;

Pot 1: Shay a 23 yr old babe. She missed our first coffee meeting (not good). Then she texted me a few more times and gave her a second chance. Met her for lunch. She is a solid 8. I've had better looking escorts before and GF when I was a younger guy but she is pretty hot. Lunch went well we are scheduled for an FC meeting at a hotel on Thurs. She works at a restaurant (low end) and is a dancer / stripper. She claims she does not ever even entertain take out. She was really nervous when we had lunch. So I'm kinda buying her story. I find myself getting wood with anticipation of that. Hopefully it clicks in the FC. She wants help paying some bills. Doesn't seem greedy which is good. Wish she could host. Thing is at lunch we talked around what was going on and so forth. Do you guys get really direct with them? We talked about going to a hotel for some adult fun but I didn't ask what was on the menu. We also never talked specifically about how much per visit. We talked about 3-4 times per month because that is all that will work for me with the distance she is from me. I said I give some money towards her bills. I also said since I'm paying for a hotel it would be less going to her and she said she understood. Looking for feedback on how direct you guys are. I like to think my results are going to be pretty good. I'm a decent looking guy. I look younger than my age and I'm a decent talker. My wifes friends (divorced and married) are always hitting on me once they get a few drinks in them. Some are pretty hot too. But I just don't want the drama and problems that could arise.

Pot 2: 39 yr old (really more like 45) who I had coffee with. She keeps texting and emailing me to come over and bang her. I haven't yet. She is pretty good looking for her age and her pics she emailed me confirmed that she has a really nice bod. Face is decent not great. She has a good personality and seems like she probably knows what she is doing in the sack. Right now I'm more intrigued for these younger girls. But I'll keep being nice and keeping the window open. I doubt I would make her a long term sb but she might be good for an occasional romp in the sack.

Pot 3: girl that lives 90 min away. I haven't tried to do logistics with her yet.

Pot 4: I met with she seemed like a pro or semi pro. She is 22 yr old latina. Good looking with a nice bod. She wanted money fast. Met her for coffee. She suggested we go for a ride. She pointed to a quiet spot and said go over there. She gave a good BBBJCIM I gave her 80. Meanwhile I had my finger in her puss and my thumb buried up her ass she seemed to like that. On the ride back she wanted to set up another time and do a hotel. She said all three holes were available for at least a couple of hrs for $100. I may be back.

Pot 5. Good looking 24 yr old single mom. Has a job needs some extra cash to keep up. Pics look outstanding. Body is incredible face is nice too. Coffee meeting scheduled with her for tomorrow. Was scheduled for last week but we got a big storm.

Take care,

PF

I live in a city famous for its wealth, but am not wealthy myself (I'm younger guy with shared living arrangements, but my roommate is almost always gone so feels like my own place). In regular, non-bragging conversations with others it seems they perk up when I tell them where I live, but most of them don't realize that it's not so bad / expensive at all with a roommate compared to the surrounding areas.

I want a girl to feel good about coming over, but at the same time I don't want her to charge premium rates just because of my area. With these types of sugar girls, do you think an expensive looking FC is going to help or hurt?

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1;1703921]Pot 1: Shay a 23 yr old babe *** Lunch went well we are scheduled for an FC meeting at a hotel on Thurs. She works at a restaurant (low end) and is a dancer / stripper. She claims she does not ever even entertain take out. She was really nervous when we had lunch. ***Thing is at lunch we talked around what was going on and so forth. ***We talked about going to a hotel for some adult fun but I didn't ask what was on the menu. We also never talked specifically about how much per visit. We talked about 3-4 times per month because that is all that will work for me with the distance she is from me.[/QUOTE]If she enters the hotel room, she will fuck you. Her nervousness is a good sign. She's stripped, now she's taking the next step. Don't force the action, just let it happen. Avoid talking sugar, slip her a gift after the semen deposit.

I had an identical situation, but from a SC not the SB sites. A 23 year old broke momma stripper. I was 58. The first time I got her to the FC I hemmed and hawed seeking her verbal agreement to some sex play. She sensed my lack of confidence, said no and left. The next time she entered my room, I touched her hair lightly, then her shoulder, then her chest. Off came the panties and she was wet, wet, wet. It was great. I've never asked another girl anything about sex when they enter the FC. The panties all come off.

[QUOTE]Pot 2: 39 yr old (really more like 45) who I had coffee with. She keeps texting and emailing me to come over and bang her.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a pro to me. She'll probably moan and claw your back for a price. Not much fun.

[QUOTE]Pot 4: I met with she seemed like a pro or semi pro. She is 22 yr old latina. Good looking with a nice bod. She wanted money fast. Met her for coffee. She suggested we go for a ride. She pointed to a quiet spot and said go over there. She gave a good BBBJCIM I gave her 80. Meanwhile I had my finger in her puss and my thumb buried up her ass she seemed to like that. On the ride back she wanted to set up another time and do a hotel. She said all three holes were available for at least a couple of hrs for $100. I may be back.[/QUOTE]You have her correctly categorized.

[QUOTE]Pot 5. Good looking 24 yr old single mom. Has a job needs some extra cash to keep up. Pics look outstanding. Body is incredible face is nice too. Coffee meeting scheduled with her for tomorrow. Was scheduled for last week but we got a big storm.[/QUOTE]Good Luck!

[QUOTE=Literal2;1704545]If she enters the hotel room, she will fuck you.[/QUOTE]I'm with Mr. Literal2 on this one. In 90% of the cases where a woman has come to my home; panties have hit the floor. In 100% of the cases where a woman has come to my hotel room panties have hit the floor. Unless you are Mike Tyson, you don't have to ask.

SubCmdr Out!

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1701000]For those who are willing, I'd like to go back to my old AOL chat room days and do a location check. It might be fun to see where everyone is. So if you are game reply with your "general" area.

BigTigg. DMV (Washington DC, Maryland & Northern Virginia) [/QUOTE]Wabash Valley IN / IL, with travel as far as TX and MA and occasional trips to Oz and even got a chance to set my watch to GMT recently. Not new to the SD game but fairly green to the internet aspect of it, and glad to have found such a fine resource.

Metro Richmond, VA here.

Home pond is Chicago and surrounding suburbs, but I have OTR access to Asheville, NC, and New Orleans at the moment. Tigg, are you compiling the stats?

As for Nola, gentlemen, I am falling, and falling hard. Was down there this past weekend, and while circumstances were not at all what I had hoped (picture SO tagging along on a whim at the eleventh hour) , I did manage to sneak away for a quick touch-base with my Obsession, and it was electric. This intensity of connection is not what I signed up for, but there it is, and I am powerless, frankly. She seems to feel something similar. Go figure.

I am hoping to get down there asap, or get her up here the next time my SO is out of town herself. This is a baby I would disappear for. FUCK!

Be careful, my brothers. There is no heart so willing as an old heart.

Scott

[QUOTE=Literal2;1704545]Sounds like a pro to me. She'll probably moan and claw your back for a price. Not much fun.[/QUOTE]I agree with Lit. This is not about banging pros, but landing amateurs. Way more work, but way more rewarding.
Sub, stand down! Perception is reality.

Scott

I've had four, fairly long term SD / SB relationships over the last 18 mos. Or so. Three of the four were bi. One just mentioned it in passing and didn't really seem interested in pursuing a threesome arrangement, even occasionally. The second one I discovered her interest in the fairer sex on her OKCupid profile. When I asked about it, she replied that her interest in other ladies was in direct relation with her degree of soberness! That comment kind of precluded any thought of a threesome from my standpoint. The third one was a different story. The first time we were together, after a very nice DATY session, I kissed her and she just about licked the skin off my face. I asked her if she like the way she tasted to which she replied yes. Emboldened, I asked her if she liked to eat pussy to which she emphatically replied,"HELL YES!". Well, I tried my damnedest to find someone to join us. Should have just asked her to find someone she was comfortable with. Before anything could be arranged, she graduated and moved back home far away.

So here we have 75% of the SBs I've known that were bi. Does this explain or give a reason for this somewhat high percentage? No, is the only answer here. All three were totally different in their approach to bisexuality. But I have to agree to an extent with someone who said a few postings ago (forgive me, don't recall who) that the SB is a more sexually adventurous soul then most other women. So maybe that explains it. Any other thoughts, gentlemen?

John, I'd love to hear of your close brush with every man's dream (and possible heart attack!).

Allseasonlvr.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1703467]Hollywood Guy touched on something that I've been meaning to bring up for a while. About 60-70% of the sugar babies I spent meaningful time with had an "experience" with another girl or considered themselves bisexual. Unfortunately for me, every one of them was strongly oppose to "combining" the experience. They wanted to keep their male and female sex activities completely separate. So I haven't come close to experiencing a threesome until recently (more on this in another report).

But I just find it interesting at such the high percentage of bi-curious sugar babies compared to the rest of the dating population. And I think Hollywood Guy nailed it, these girls are inherently wired different and more adventurous. Even some of the "shy" SBs, have the "kinky" gene, it's just dormant.

Anybody else want to put forward a theory on the high percentage of bi-curioius babies?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1704522]I live in a city famous for its wealth, but am not wealthy myself (I'm younger guy with shared living arrangements, but my roommate is almost always gone so feels like my own place). In regular, non-bragging conversations with others it seems they perk up when I tell them where I live, but most of them don't realize that it's not so bad / expensive at all with a roommate compared to the surrounding areas.

I want a girl to feel good about coming over, but at the same time I don't want her to charge premium rates just because of my area. With these types of sugar girls, do you think an expensive looking FC is going to help or hurt?[/QUOTE]Windy,

You are sitting at the feet of giants, reading over their shoulders at their collected wisdom. At some point, you need to stand up, walk to the edge, and take the plunge. Not trying to be a jerk, but come on!

Make some contacts, set up some m&gs, make mistakes, figure it out, fuck some babies, and all your worries and questions will be answered, or at least most of them. In the immortal words of Henry V, "screw your courage to the sticking place, and once more into the breach!"

No one can answer all your questions, especially if you keep coming up with new ones. If my experinece is any indicator, you will strike out your first six times at bat, but then you will hit your dinger, and you will be in your groove from then on, with sucesses and failures along the way. If you want 100% success rate, go pro. As I have said before, in this game, there is no such thing as a sure thing. However, no one has ever caught a fish with their rod in the car.

Tally ho, my brother, (mixing so many metaphors!)

Scott

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1704641]I'm with Mr. Literal2 on this one. In 90% of the cases where a woman has come to my home; panties have hit the floor. In 100% of the cases where a woman has come to my hotel room panties have hit the floor. Unless you are Mike Tyson, you don't have to ask.

SubCmdr Out![/QUOTE]Thats assuming they are wearing panties

I'll give it a few more posts then hit it up with the tally.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1704887]Home pond is Chicago and surrounding suburbs, but I have OTR access to Asheville, NC, and New Orleans at the moment. Tigg, are you compiling the stats?

Scott[/QUOTE]

I'm in So. NH and No. Mass.

As a follow up to my post of yesterday. I had to cancel with Pot 5 because of biz issue. Pot 1 is on for FC tomorrow. She emailed and asked for 300 I countered with 125. 125 it is. I hoping she is good in the FC. Then I will make her option 1.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1705005]I'll give it a few more posts then hit it up with the tally.[/QUOTE]Tally me Indiana.

Hi Guys! I know I made a splash in the pool last spring and then submerged, but I've resurfaced to post on my experiences again. I'll post more over the following days, but let's just say it's been the roller coaster ride that all of the veterans are familiar with. Looking forward to reconnecting with the group!

Drummer