"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Mlboriole;2250684]If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.[/QUOTE]Its been said here before, but looking for referrals in the sugar baby world is only muddying the waters, making it harder to find what you're really looking for (UTR escorts) and making it harder for SDs to find real SBs and vice versa. A real SB will never hook up with a referral contact, and an SD should ALWAYS select his SBs based on his own attraction preferences.

I'm not knocking UTR activity at all. Sometimes I wish I had a solid network for it, simply because true SB dating is a lot of time and effort. But I wish folks would quit coming here trying to swap SBs at the trading post because it is completely missing the point.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2250731]Its been said here before, but looking for referrals in the sugar baby world is only muddying the waters, making it harder to find what you're really looking for (UTR escorts) and making it harder for SDs to find real SBs and vice versa. A real SB will never hook up with a referral contact, and an SD should ALWAYS select his SBs based on his own attraction preferences.

I'm not knocking UTR activity at all. Sometimes I wish I had a solid network for it, simply because true SB dating is a lot of time and effort. But I wish folks would quit coming here trying to swap SBs at the trading post because it is completely missing the point.[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying what a lot of us are thinking, Jeez.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2250346]It is just the opposite!. The DOM (being the female here) force you to submit to HER whims with your finances. And not necessarily for our kind of play either. They just dominate YOUR fin aces. Yeah. Glad that is not MY fetish![/QUOTE]I know what she meant, it's just the irony of what she thinks she is entitled to compared to her skill in expressing what she wants via language that's so hilarious.

"Financial domination" sounds to a thinking man like something only slightly less desirable than "financial devastation", and very far on the other side of the spectrum of "financial freedom", so anytime sometime finds themselves requesting it, they should probably just stick to sucking cock.

It's kind of funny, I routinely look at the FB page of some of my former SBs, or former fuck partners that had delusions of being in charge of something one day in their lives. So many of them post feminist rants. Not so much the fuck buddies (some of those were great women) but many of the SBs do. I guess we could label it it the "Belle Knox" syndrome (if you don't know who that is, it's the Duke University student that majors in feminist studies, yet simultaneously does porn shoots where she is being pissed on, spit on, choked, gagged with cock etc. Then explains that it is an expression of her feminist rights to submit herself to all of this, supposedly making men look stupid in the process because they fail to understand the irony).

Like I said, female logic.

They can feel in power all they want as long as they suck cock good enough and take the load without gagging. If that's a sign of female domination then sign me up.

[QUOTE=Mlboriole;2250684]If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.[/QUOTE]I agree with both concepts True SB vs UTR. There is an UTR thread separate from this one for hard core reporting. I have received referrals from valued friends here and I appreciate it. I have an UTR right now I see for $. 5 who is SBish. I don't think she is seeing others right now, and turned to SA to pay a debt which she has been able to do. If any of us identify an UTR needing a few contacts I want to hear about it please. But then again no need to ask. The SD will offer the contact if he wants to help his SB. Some SDs can not afford the monthly nut to keep an SB solvent and out of trouble, and would rather enrol his brothers to help keep her in play rather than lose her to the street.

SD-ing can sometimes be slow on the weekend. Babies got their friends, their BF's, and other stuff to do. And UTR's have their better paying clients that wait till the weekend to have fun. I have been backing down my volume for the last 3 months and I am ready to just go for it again. Tonite I am not taking any chances though and will see my MILF about 9 tonite. After that if I have any energy left I may try to see a far away girl because I will already be halfway there and she has been very attentive with the txting. She is a little thick but I am always more forgiving when they are young, and she just turned 18 last month. Also she has me convinced that she is from a middle class family and still lives with her parents.

A super hottie (bathing suit) txted me and said she could be interested. I was thinking this has to be TGTBT, so I txted her a little and maybe I got through to her on some emotional level because she said my offer was a joke but she liked my vibe. She is a little older (25) 5,3" so maybe I get lucky who knows, but I am gonna pick up the pace a little from now till xmas. If the economy keeps picking up as well then next year is gonna be a blast.

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2251666]All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.[/QUOTE]Wow, I don't see any reason to go beyond the $ level. Out of curiosity, with all the dating, how do you keep your tool from chaffing? What's your "maintenance" program? One day off per week? Liberal cream usage? Powder? Massage manipulations?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2251666]All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.[/QUOTE]HWGuy. If there is ever a Sugar Daddy Hall of Fame you should be the first inductee.

Gents,

Just a quick update. After a 3 week lull, activity has picked up significantly. I'm actually slightly overwhelmed with girls wanting to proceed from email to meeting rather quickly. I just don't have enough time slots. Couple of days ago I did 4 voice verification back to back.

There was this young one who didn't like one thing about my profile (I'm very candid), but was intrigued by what I had to say. We met for a drink. She is a fox. She was riveted to me for 90 minutes, but in the end wouldn't flex on her principle. After a few more emails this went dead.

There have been a couple of flakes who were enthusiastic on the first few phone calls but then would not or could not move to a M&G. Dump.

Then this girl who's online shine has quickly worn off: just another busy single mom. There's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't exactly what the profile led one to believe. Turns out she's only available when her kids are in school, which happens to be when I work. Not sure how that's going to work out.

And recently I had a drink with this 20-something girl. She did arrive 25 min late, which pisses me off to no end because I run a tight schedule. You better believe that next time I'll schedule such that she might have to wait instead of me rushing. She is super cute, better than her pics. Seems like a hard working student. Wasn't too fond of her not maintaining eye contact for more than 1% of the time. Let's see what her feedback from our meeting was. I'm not too optimistic.

I presumably have breakfast lined up with a MILF that is pretty far out of the way. Seems cumbersome, but I want to see if she'll move to the FC more quickly. And something I have yet to figure out with a 19 yr old student who at first wanted to do steak & wine dinner before I suggested drinks or something that quick. I have no desire to be in a 90 min first date. That chick is really artsy and that's usually not my type, so I need an escape route.

Total to date after 7 weeks in the bowl:

4 M&G, 1 2nd date (BJ), 0 FC.

Spent maybe $250, half of which was on that 2nd date where I over did it a bit, live and learn.

I'm setting the bar very low gentlemen.

SM.

I had a M&G with a subject MILF this week. 29, with a beautiful face and mommy's booty. Classy and seems very smart. Hubby travels and when home wants to talk about home refinancing and such (I wonder if he is a hobbyist?) and she feels neglected. I've never been to the FC with a MBL (that I know of) but I'm intrigued by the thought / kink. We're getting together again Tuesday. Any thoughts or advice from other SDs on having a MBL SB? Thanks!

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2251720]Wow, I don't see any reason to go beyond the $ level. Out of curiosity, with all the dating, how do you keep your tool from chaffing? What's your "maintenance" program? One day off per week? Liberal cream usage? Powder? Massage manipulations?[/QUOTE]Haha. I was dating about 25 days a month. Dropped it to 15 or so the last 3 months. Ready to get back in action next month.

Wow, it has been great reading here over lots of time.

My little friend has been in daycare education for so long, perhaps finally progressing in education. A yr + ago he met a CLer at her smoky public crowded dog infested grassy apartment. He had not seen her email about M&G fee. Talked for a while, generally nervously on both ends. She was blond / stacked / slender / cute / youth on her side, first yr college. He returned later with fee. Never hooked up after that as the emails got ugly on both ends. CL ads seemed very active on her part. Ticked some people off. Perhaps mugshots for non hobby stuff observed.

Fast forward. My friend finds the window to meet suitable high standard SB very difficult to climb thru. No burner phone, no paid subscriptions, no great expense situation. He is married.

New CL ad, easy to communicate with. After a number of emails finds out it is above girl needing rent help. He meets at her place again, new place more private. Similar college stank, many more tats. He would prefer to not shit in his own backyard BUT the chance is being taken. Hug at the door, mugshot explained. Easier to talk to. Friend explains his cAMP experiences as safe outlet, explains comparable expenses available for quality time. He remembers no action for MG fee, suggests moving to FC. Simple action obtained, nothing great but enough to tell she could be a playa. Would be easy to meet again. CAMP money left behind, like a child she went to count and was delighted in was not just 20.

Pros: She is willing able cute trainable friendly banging body.

Cons: additional rent space in the head, likely some drugs there, odor. Febrreze needed. Likely others involved also. My friends intuition is she is a bright kid whose life is on the wrong course. Daddy instinct strong, maybe wrong.

Married advisors desired.

Well my MILF flaked on me tonite so I decided to go out on a M&G with the just recently turned 18 year old pictured. She turned out to be a true NP first timer and I am the first guy she met off the sd site. As per usual I messaged her the first day she was on the site. We then txted all week (just a few short txts a day to stay connected) till the first day I could really drive that far (130 miles rt) to meet her.

She was an intelligent classy young lady (the kind you could take home to mother). A black muslim girl from africa but fully americanized. Very beautiful but thick. I knew this before I left but she had me convinced that her NP status was the genuine article. She was a 8/6/10/8. I give her a six but she was proportionate and sexy as hell.

We had a 2 hour makeout date in a park with some mutual touching that revealed some real chemistry. She was very seductive and I loved every minute of it. I could have kissed her forever. It was that good. So we decided that due to logistics that she would take the train to me for date 2 in the FC. An all day date that could go overnite for a $ plus train plus food.

In the sugar world timing is almost everything. And this girl is ready to burst. Our next date is scheduled just before her period when she will be at the peak of her monthly horniness.

As we were parting I said to her "You ARE a strong independent woman. But in the FC you are daddy's baby girl". She looked down slightly and smiled.

[QUOTE=John252;2251855]

Married advisors desired.[/QUOTE]I just asked Siri and here's the advice she has for your friend. First, your friend noted the young lady is a smoker, which likely means your friend isn't. Thus, every time he walks out of there, his hair and clothes will smell. Best if your friend carries a change of clothes in the car. This is made easier if he sees her just before or just after going to the gym as the change of clothing is thus integrated in the routine. Your friend should also carry an extra stick of his regular deodorant and whatever lotion he uses. He may also want to have baby wipes in the car for lipstick smudges and cleaning mr. Johnson should the SO be extra frisky when he gets home. Obviously, a dry towel and comb is a must. If the situation permits, he may want to insist on a shower before leaving but that won't fix the cig smell.

Because of potential volatility on the young lady's part, your friend would be well advise to carry nothing of value in the FC and no personal details. Car keys and cash will suffice. Young lady should procure and provide necessary supplies such as party hats (which leave behind a distinct smell).

Your friend should go to Walgreens and invest a few dollars in a Trac prepaid phone. Best to enable it from a non-personal computer, perhaps one of the office machine when not logged under his own name. Or at the very least through private browsing mode through a free wifi such as micky the's.

When the young lady tips into insanity, as these things often happen, it's best to remain calm. Remember that pride and ego only gets in the way of long term goals. Money wasted should at worse equate one meeting. Primary objective would be to disengage with no physical marks. In the mean time, enjoy the young lady, and try things you would not with SO. He should work on his fantasies. Addicts will let you do some crazy stuff.

All according to Siri.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2251733]I had a M&G with a subject MILF this week. 29, with a beautiful face and mommy's booty. Classy and seems very smart. Hubby travels and when home wants to talk about home refinancing and such (I wonder if he is a hobbyist?) and she feels neglected. I've never been to the FC with a MBL (that I know of) but I'm intrigued by the thought / kink. We're getting together again Tuesday. Any thoughts or advice from other SDs on having a MBL SB? Thanks![/QUOTE]I never do them. Too many single girls.

So I have been reading the form and finally decided to jump into the water. I have a few profiles and the various sites and so far SA seems the best of course I do not like the monthly fee but whatever. I have a few girls I am chatting with in the DC / MD / VA area and had my first MG last week. The girl was decent looking and we did not discuss too much about cost. She started off with the only have drinks but it ended in a couple hour session of wild fun. The best part it only cost dinner at a cheap place and a small gift presented when I first met her. Unfortunately the ride came to an end the next day as she wanted to discuss allowance and was clearly looking for something serious. I might have been ok with it, but she had a lot of rules like no other girls, could not get too serious about her and must understand if she is not available all the time. It was a great one time event and I just know I will not have the same experience again.

[QUOTE=TravelingJohn#2;2252290]So I have been reading the form and finally decided to jump into the water. I have a few profiles and the various sites and so far SA seems the best of course I do not like the monthly fee but whatever. I have a few girls I am chatting with in the DC / MD / VA area and had my first MG last week. The girl was decent looking and we did not discuss too much about cost. She started off with the only have drinks but it ended in a couple hour session of wild fun. The best part it only cost dinner at a cheap place and a small gift presented when I first met her. Unfortunately the ride came to an end the next day as she wanted to discuss allowance and was clearly looking for something serious. I might have been ok with it, but she had a lot of rules like no other girls, could not get too serious about her and must understand if she is not available all the time. It was a great one time event and I just know I will not have the same experience again.[/QUOTE]I would consider that a success. Just let her know you are there for her if she needs you. Don't be surprised if she txts you back in a week or 3 months. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2252328]I would consider that a success. Just let her know you are there for her if she needs you. Don't be surprised if she txts you back in a week or 3 months. LOL.[/QUOTE]I first read about this method from HollywoodGuy when I first started out a few months ago. He is right, be gentle and let them know you care and will be there for them, under your terms. Amazing how many will call days, weeks, even months later after they've been abused by enough A**Holes.

Noon - My MILF calls to reschedule our canceled date from yesterday. She says to pick her up at 9.30 pm and we will go to the usual no-tel.

5.00 pm - Nothing to do but wait for tonite so I login to the sd site. I start to look at the girls currently online. I spot a 24 year old white latina that lived close by, and that I never messaged. I see she is kind of plain looking and that her profile was a few months old, so I probably passed on her prior due to her looks and that she was latina (as they don't always like me as much. lol). But she was 5'4" and small framed.

5.08 - I send her my usual intro letter offering $.

5.26 - She replies with "I like what I read. I sent you a email to the address you provided".

5 27 - I read her email "I'm new to the whole sd / sb site but from what you sent me it sounds like a good time with you. ".

5.28 - I emailed her back with some pics and my #.

5.30 - She txted me immediately and we txted for the next half hour. I tell her I have to go out tonite but I'll txt her back at 7, just in case "meeting up with a friend that owes me money" falls through.

6.45 - My MILF calls to confirm our date tonite.

7.15 - I call the latina and say "hey I got an extra hour to burn before I have to see my friend. Lets do a M&G for a half hour or whatever before I have to leave" She agrees and says to pick her up on the corner near her house where she lives with her parents.

7.42 - I arrive and she shows up promptly (A very clean looking girl with a nice small but curvy figure). She gets in the car and tells me to drive a few blocks and park.

7.45 - I find a space and park and we start to talk. She tells me she's nervous and I tell her I know that but she doesn't need to be. Within about 5 minutes the making out begins. This girl was horny and I was fingering inside her good and rough. I had my dick out and she played with it for maybe 5-10 minutes, but the focus was really all on her. Great full B+ cups and nice nipples to suck.

8.15 - I'm thinking to myself what can I do to get out of paying?. I really didn't think things were going to go this far as she was a very straight laced looking girl, a self professed good girl, and I believed her. So I asked her to give me a BBBJ. She declined.

8.30 - Still thinking to myself, OK, she must want to get paid, she put out for 45 minutes and would have finished me with the HJ if I let her. I got a C note on me, no problem. So she asks "how does this SD SB thing work?" I tell her, "well this is the M&G to see if we like each other, if you want to get paid you need to come to the FC. ". She says "OK".

8.40 - I drop her off and speed over to my MILF.

9.30 - While I was waiting outside to pick up my MILF I txted with the latina and I got a smiley face. I am planning on fucking her tomorrow. She says she will drive to me no problem. At the moment she is unemployed and only has an x to fuck now and then. She was a 6.5/7.5/9/7. But the action was typical of a first time meeting. Strange and hot.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2252390]I first read about this method from HollywoodGuy when I first started out a few months ago. He is right, be gentle and let them know you care and will be there for them, under your terms. Amazing how many will call days, weeks, even months later after they've been abused by enough A**Holes.[/QUOTE]I will have to try that because something tells me she was not used to the nice treatment and let her guard down. Thanks team.

The hot latina from last night said she was busy today.

So I went and visited my little girl S.

A true NP.

The dirty pics are here.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?6028-Photography-getting-her-to-pose&p=2253166[/URL]#post2253166.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2251733]I had a M&G with a subject MILF this week. 29, with a beautiful face and mommy's booty. Classy and seems very smart. Hubby travels and when home wants to talk about home refinancing and such (I wonder if he is a hobbyist?) and she feels neglected. I've never been to the FC with a MBL (that I know of) but I'm intrigued by the thought / kink. We're getting together again Tuesday. Any thoughts or advice from other SDs on having a MBL SB? Thanks![/QUOTE]I posted earlier in the year my experience on this. Two thirds of my SB's have been either married or engaged and living with SO. Quite frankly my best long termers have been the married ones. Perhaps my experience is different than HG's because I target white females between 20 and 30 (including the ones that lie and say they are just 30 but are a few years past that) Seems to be the best sex. They know what they are getting at home and know they want more.

So I was really jones-ing for a blond last week, and a friend from last year texted and said she had just gotten back to town after a long trip overseas. I suggested lunch, and did not even recognized the hot blond chick that came in Peroxide is fine with me. Offered to get a room and she jumped at it, and then at me. Guess what, married.

Wow, it is amazing the difficulty of this SD stuff.

For now my little friend is a low rent guy with high rise expectation.

2nd /3rd meeting with SB did not go so well. She did not lay out expectations well, he perhaps was not aggressive enough to get what he wanted. She likely not managing money / habits / school well. He wants a goto girlfriend once a week as finances allow. Comparison shopping the comps are home life (pretty good and lots to lose) vs cAMP incredible fun. Blueball departure with bipolar like change as she begged for more money.

The prior day, knowing family time was important, she begged for an advance of funds to do laundry, eat for the first time in days, etc. She also did not remember past conversations where things were layed out crystal clear what was possible regarding sugar.

My little friend thinks she only is interest in $$. Little interest in GFE, life guidance. Comments made disparaging men. As a man of means and success my friend thinks he will leave the SB game alone unless things fall in his lap.

Perhaps at midlife a little straying to better appreciate the married life is a good thing.

If you read my posts you know I have been very frustrated with trying to land a hot MILF. I really want a california 9 or 10 quality one. Anyway to practice up on my game I picked an easier one at least from a looks standpoint (and also she does need the money, unfortunately a lot of the hot ones are still living off their divorce settlements and still havent gotten over their GPS). She is just an average looking but sweet sounding asian that lives nearby. So I sent her my P2P letter and got total silence. I waited maybe an hour before sending her my thoughtful emotional letter. Here was her reply.

"Hello. My name is (name) but feel free to call me (name). It's a pleasure to meet you.

What is my motivation you ask? Well. I have only been on this site for a couple months. I really just wanted to see what was out there. Right now all my focus has been on trying to find a job. I really really need to work. In addition to job searching, I've been working on becoming the very best version of me I can be. I believe that once I start working, my self-confidence level and everything else should fall into place.

I'd like to have something to bring to the table when the time comes and I meet someone. I've never been in a SD / SB dynamic so I don't know what to expect. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of a man giving a woman an "allowance" for simply enjoying each other's company. " (she knows its $ to have sex)

MY RESPONSE TO HER.

"thanks for your honesty. And really I am sure you are fine the way you are. And of course we are all trying to improve ourselves. I have taken care of women my entire life. In my family women didn't work. So the idea of a man helping a woman seems very natural to me. Now in a marriage a man is taking all the financial responsibility. The beauty for some people in a sugar dating relationship is that it doesn't have to be all the time or 24/7. I am a busy executive, you have your life as well.

I like to see someone once or twice a week if that's possible. And at least you know when we are together its just like any normal relationship. The only thing different is that you are being compensated for your time. And your time is valuable. Right?

I love being with someone that for whatever reason needs a boost emotionally and physically to gain some self confidence. I can do that for you. If you want to meet, you are close by. Maybe a starbucks. If we like each other then we can start an arrangement on a per date basis to keep the pressure off. Does any of this make sense?

THEN I QUICKLY SENT THIS MESSAGE A FEW MINUTES LATER.

"and so to be clear. First we meet to see if there is any chemistry. Then if there is and you wish to escalate that to a physical level then you will start to be compensated for your time. I am a very sexy and intuitive guy, I can make you feel like the sexy woman you are inside. And enable you to express that on the outside".

HER RESPONSE.

Well, you seem very understanding and straightforward. I think I can learn a lot from a man like you. I am agreeable to meeting for coffee. I live in (city). There is a Starbucks in (location) and it's near my house. Would it be okay with you to meet there?

Can you also please email me your picture so I know who I will be meeting with? I've never done this before so I'm a bit nervous. My email is (email address).

MY REPLY.

"I know you are nervous but lucky for you there is no reason to be. I happen to be a nice guy all around. I will email you my pics now".

HER REPLY

"I received your pictures. At least I can wave at you when I finally meet you. I'd like to think that if anything I will make a new friend right. I appreciate you trying to put me at ease. Your understanding helps tremendously. You have a great and positive personality which just adds to your attraction! Don't forget that. Now...I just want to make sure that you know that I don't look like a model or actress. I'm just a plain normal looking 46 year old, nothing extraordinary about me. I don't think I'm comfortable enough in my own skin but I'm willing to try. I will follow your lead if that's okay lol. I've been attending a 9 day Novena with my dad at our church. We are on day 8 today. I'm leaving in a few minutes just in case you email me and I dont respond right away. I should be back home between 7-7:30pm okay. Talk to you soon."

Maybe this helps a few of you new guys out there. This is a straight laced, church going, traditional asian lady. Now if I can just figure out how to work my magic on a crazy sexy, I wish I was 20 again MILF it will have all been worth it. The other thing worth noting is that I messaged her today and can meet her tonite. Not unusual. It's always good to follow up fast when possible.

I don't really have any trouble finding hot girls to fuck. They're everywhere. But there is something about the idea of getting nasty with the straightest woman I can find that intrigues me. She probably hasnt had any in a year or more. But a lot of that verbage below could be used on any shy girl. I mean think about it. She did read my P2P letter and she is still talking to me. I just go for broke on the first message to save time and find an obviously sexual partner. If that doesn't work then I back it down to show I am a real person with a soft heart. And my P2P letter isn't really cold, just very direct.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2253991]I don't really have any trouble finding hot girls to fuck. They're everywhere. But there is something about the idea of getting nasty with the straightest woman I can find that intrigues me. She probably hasnt had any in a year or more. But a lot of that verbage below could be used on any shy girl. I mean think about it. She did read my P2P letter and she is still talking to me. I just go for broke on the first message to save time and find an obviously sexual partner. If that doesn't work then I back it down to show I am a real person with a soft heart. And my P2P letter isn't really cold, just very direct.[/QUOTE]I have very good luck going to the local bars that have dancing and cater to the 45-60 yo crowd, especially women who are recently divorced or separated and are cutting loose for the first time in years and have a few drinks in them. I have gotten plenty of blow jobs for free that way. Some women I see now and then. It's like fishing, I cast my line. Some I throw right back and others are worth pursuing. I then get rid of the ones with GPS and the ones who seem like moochers or bitches. I don't buy drinks either. I just started this and am honing my skills. Also I'm 50 and I blend right in. My competition are the old guys who look bad and are usually desperate to get laid. By being patient and being ready to get rid of a pain in the ass pronto is a big help. Acting non chalant and just walking around and eyeing the goods and being friendly usually will score me one. Since starting this game a few months ago I have gotten over a dozen blowjobs by as many different women. For free. One woman I banged in a notel room we got and we split the cost! By no means I'm not successful every time. I also stay away from the attention working girls, you know the ones that are good looking with 4 guys trying to hit on her. The wall flowers are ripe for the picking. I can't believe how easy it is. That's why I don't pay for it anymore except under certain conditions and then no more than 20 bucks for head. And I don't do CL or BP anymore, fuck that.

I just love the game. No more dealing with drug addicts and that crap for the most part. Dealing with 20 somethings is usually more trouble than it's worth. If you're dating someone then that's not the time to be cheap. But scoring it for free with one you may never see again? Then I'm a tightwad. So the bottom line is this. The older women are usually horny and can be had with very little effort and expense. They are all around, just look! I have a date on Halloween with this woman I chatted up in a local deli. 46 and nice looking, decent shape and a massive pair of tits. If all goes well maybe I'll keep her!

My little girl "S" says she is a Geezer Pleaser. The one thing she says she doesn't like about me, is that I'm not older (like 70 or 80). Age is just a number.

I know that GL's method works. A friend of mine who is tight on funds does that every Saturday night. Lots of horny milfs looking to dance and flirt and more. Me, I am an internet geek, LOL, not sure I could sit in a bar all night. But I have considered it. I feel a little bad for the MILF I practiced on yesterday, getting her hopes up and all. But how many times does that happen to us? The african girl I had the two hour makeout date with sans donation txted me and said we could fuck for $$. When I turned her down she became belligerent. Next.

The horny latina I had the 45 minute date with that included a half hour of me fingering her (also sans donation) is now mia. I am trying my hardest to find a non utr girl to see tomorrow or Friday. This one is definitely real. Got her FB and model mayhem. She is probably the dream girl size for some of you guys. 20 5. 8" 140 mixed. Pictured. A lot of girl for me to handle. Got to find someone new. No GF anymore and let a few others fade away.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2255070]I know that GL's method works. A friend of mine who is tight on funds does that every Saturday night. Lots of horny milfs looking to dance and flirt and more. Me, I am an internet geek, LOL, not sure I could sit in a bar all night. But I have considered it. I feel a little bad for the MILF I practiced on yesterday, getting her hopes up and all. But how many times does that happen to us? The african girl I had the two hour makeout date with sans donation txted me and said we could fuck for $$. When I turned her down she became belligerent. Next.

The horny latina I had the 45 minute date with that included a half hour of me fingering her (also sans donation) is now mia. I am trying my hardest to find a non utr girl to see tomorrow or Friday. This one is definitely real. Got her FB and model mayhem. She is probably the dream girl size for some of you guys. 20 5. 8" 140 mixed. Pictured. A lot of girl for me to handle. Got to find someone new. No GF anymore and let a few others fade away.[/QUOTE]The bars are not for everyone. I certainly couldn't do that every night. Once a week or so, Wednesdays and Saturdays are the best. And I pace myself. I enjoy a beer or a vodka and seltzer and I nurse it. I love people watching and it get's me out of the house for a bit. I'm not attached to anyone, my kids are on their own and my ex has been out of my life for years. The best way to score for free is the old fashioned way, in person. I love women my age because they are horny and love to flirt. And unlike the young ones, flashing money and wealth don't affect some MILF's I have met some that are loaded and some that try scamming me for drinks. I like appearing cheap to these ladies it shows I'm not desperate or looking to buy affection. But the bottom line is this, my goal is to get a BJ or get laid that night. I'm not interested in relationships or friends or any of that other crap women like to do. My game just takes patience and people skills it's really fun. Sometimes just running daily errands will uncover one. I keep myself clean and groomed and dress casual. THAT goes a long way in itself.

1) Busniess deal.

Description: I am currently in school very close to finishing my bachelors and I already hold an associates. I am aspiring to own my own business and make myself successful.

I'm Seeking:

Sugar Daddy AND Sugar Mommy.

Lifestyle Expectation: Substantial.

More than $10,000 monthly.

Description: Someone to meet with throughout the month 10,000+.

LOL Maybe spelling class would be a start. This busniess is tough duty!

2) " I am looking for a plutonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. ".

I wonder if Kryptonite will help? Give me lots of monay and stay the fuck off me!

3)" I would like to be comfortable around this person and for them to respect my boundaries. ".

This means Plutonic.

4)" for intimacy to ensue, I need a real connection with someone. The more time we spend together, the deeper the connection ".

This means no sex for the 24 dates and $10 K it takes to get a deep enough connection.

5)"Sex may be said to be part of every arrangement but I say otherwise. If most of what you want is sex, say I'm crazy, please don't message me! True Selfless Gentlemen only please ".

Sigh!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2255538]1) Busniess deal.

Description: I am currently in school very close to finishing my bachelors and I already hold an associates. I am aspiring to own my own business and make myself successful.

I'm Seeking:

Sugar Daddy AND Sugar Mommy.

Lifestyle Expectation: Substantial.

More than $10,000 monthly.

Description: Someone to meet with throughout the month 10,000+.

LOL Maybe spelling class would be a start. This busniess is tough duty!

2) " I am looking for a plutonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. ".

I wonder if Kryptonite will help? Give me lots of monay and stay the fuck off me!

3)" I would like to be comfortable around this person and for them to respect my boundaries. ".

This means Plutonic.

4)" for intimacy to ensue, I need a real connection with someone. The more time we spend together, the deeper the connection ".

This means no sex for the 24 dates and $10 K it takes to get a deep enough connection.

5)"Sex may be said to be part of every arrangement but I say otherwise. If most of what you want is sex, say I'm crazy, please don't message me! True Selfless Gentlemen only please ".

Sigh![/QUOTE]Sounds like my Ex.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2255538]1) Busniess deal.

Description: I am currently in school very close to finishing my bachelors and I already hold an associates. I am aspiring to own my own business and make myself successful.

I'm Seeking:

Sugar Daddy AND Sugar Mommy.

Lifestyle Expectation: Substantial.

More than $10,000 monthly.

Description: Someone to meet with throughout the month 10,000+.

LOL Maybe spelling class would be a start. This busniess is tough duty!

2) " I am looking for a plutonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. ".

I wonder if Kryptonite will help? Give me lots of monay and stay the fuck off me!

3)" I would like to be comfortable around this person and for them to respect my boundaries. ".

This means Plutonic.

4)" for intimacy to ensue, I need a real connection with someone. The more time we spend together, the deeper the connection ".

This means no sex for the 24 dates and $10 K it takes to get a deep enough connection.

5)"Sex may be said to be part of every arrangement but I say otherwise. If most of what you want is sex, say I'm crazy, please don't message me! True Selfless Gentlemen only please ".

Sigh![/QUOTE]Here's the pic to go with the GPS in number 1).

FredMoore's posting below is a riot. I often read these profile descriptions (especially SA) and look at what some of these POT SBs want for compensation and I literally laugh out loud! I am particularly amused by the ones who (like FM illustrates) say they will not be doing any "pay for play" period. But they want between $1 k-$3 K for an allowance!! Right.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2254122]I just love the game. No more dealing with drug addicts and that crap for the most part. Dealing with 20 somethings is usually more trouble than it's worth. If you're dating someone then that's not the time to be cheap. But scoring it for free with one you may never see again? Then I'm a tightwad. So the bottom line is this. The older women are usually horny and can be had with very little effort and expense. They are all around, just look! I have a date on Halloween with this woman I chatted up in a local deli. 46 and nice looking, decent shape and a massive pair of tits. If all goes well maybe I'll keep her![/QUOTE]It's been years since I was unencumbered, but I remember the problem being how to get rid of them. The one's that I got in the sack seemed to think that meant we were now BF / GF.

Mellisa 89. Advertises on Backpage as Sexy Scarlet. Digits are 229-513-4402. I wish these girls would stay off the SB sites.

" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2256381]" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.[/QUOTE]My guess is that we SD's are not seeing the promotional material the websites are aiming at young women. It would not surprise me if such material makes it sound like there are young millionaires who cannot get dates and are looking on the site for women just to spend time with. This is how they get young women to sign up ensuring a steady flow of new ones for us. Some women adjust their expectations; others just drop off. Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

RB.

On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Gogreen;2256698]On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I think its like asking for BB. Some will and some won't. Some girls prefer married guys as they don't want any clingy attachments. I was married once and it didn't seem to bother the girls that came on to me. That was in the civi world, but is it really any different here?

When I see girls I might otherwise be interested in expressing high $ or no intimacy expectations, I sometimes send them not like: "damn, you are cute. Too bad you are beyond my budget". Or "No intimacy. Darn! With a best of luck on your search. You may be surprised how many respond back positively after their expectations have been "re-set" by reality. LOL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2256381]" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.[/QUOTE]