I am not an expert on anything
but I do have experiences.
[QUOTE=Xsham]The conversation has gotten pretty off-track. My only point was that money talks and if you don't believe that to be true than look at the trends:
Fact- you can't name even 3 therapists under 30 at the AMPs/AAMPs in this area (excluding those here for a month or less). Hell, most of you couldn't even name 1 or 2.
Fact- when a therapist realizes she is being cheaped out she moves or she goes to Eros.
Don't sit here and argue that you're some expert about NYC when these forums clearly illustrate that NYC standard AMP rates for younger and good looking providers are 180-220. That's what hobbyists on these forums and I have paid and that is what it costs to maintain at least a semblance of what things were like back between 1998-2002 when things weren't so miserable. The same rates apply to good locations in Phoenix, San Fran, L.A., San Diego, Miami, San Jose, Seattle or several other major hubs and that's why you can still find young therapists there. I've never been one to mince words, even if it makes me a pariah among some seniors. I know I am right so please don't argue with me.***
If you come across a therapist and she is cute (a 7.5 or well above average across most posters rating scales) and/or is under age 30 (and looks it very clearly) and you are paying the flat rate of $.6 [u]then you are asking her to leave and may as well buy her the ticket out of town.[/u]
There is a difference between "paying for less" and "paying less leading to less." The latter is what has happened in D.C./Maryland and Virginia. Prove me wrong, though. Show me where the D.C. flat rate advocated on these forums has made the scene better in any way. I'll be waiting with bated breath.
*** Rates for younger therapists in NYC
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On the West Coast, if you want a R&T from a younger therapist you will be charged at minimum 120 and at most 175. Think Kacy from NoVA who now advertises on Eros (surprise surprise).[/QUOTE]
I will read the advertisments in the Voice
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Do you think you can get this one (Panamanian not asian to come up here). If she was a gymnast she would be a gold medelist with all those 9/9.5s across the board.
Now you are just looking to argue after all you are compariing apples to oranges. See if you can look into a AMP an compare what they have to the AMPs here.
I have not been to one there for a while so I do not know the changes that have been made.
I do not know which scientific study your facts are based on but I will take your word for it but in the interest of science you should make a fact finding trip to NY, Queens that is, buy the Queens or Long Island edition of the Newsday, look in the classifieds and start calling around. When you return you will have a more complete scientific survey to base your "Facts upon".
While you are there try to ascertain as to their legal status in the US and how much they paid or owe for the journey to the US. Impoverished as many of them might have been it would have been difficult for many to get a visa without the assistance of an agency.
As for me and my New York days they might very well be behind me but when and if I get back to NY I will bring back a copy of the Village Voice. Being that I have not been back to the City of NY in about three years I do not have any updated information, I am just speaking from experience!
I do know from being down here for three years if you ask most of the girls/ladies where they have worked most will say they started out in Flushing (Queen, NY). Ask you will see. Keep a running tally; I have yet to meet that did not (including the one I met this evening). Include this in your future surveys to "facts"
[QUOTE=Xsham]The conversation has gotten pretty off-track. My only point was that money talks and if you don't believe that to be true than look at the trends:
Fact- you can't name even 3 therapists under 30 at the AMPs/AAMPs in this area (excluding those here for a month or less). Hell, most of you couldn't even name 1 or 2.
Fact- when a therapist realizes she is being cheaped out she moves or she goes to Eros.
Don't sit here and argue that you're some expert about NYC when these forums clearly illustrate that NYC standard AMP rates for younger and good looking providers are 180-220. That's what hobbyists on these forums and I have paid and that is what it costs to maintain at least a semblance of what things were like back between 1998-2002 when things weren't so miserable. The same rates apply to good locations in Phoenix, San Fran, L.A., San Diego, Miami, San Jose, Seattle or several other major hubs and that's why you can still find young therapists there. I've never been one to mince words, even if it makes me a pariah among some seniors. I know I am right so please don't argue with me.***
If you come across a therapist and she is cute (a 7.5 or well above average across most posters rating scales) and/or is under age 30 (and looks it very clearly) and you are paying the flat rate of $.6 [u]then you are asking her to leave and may as well buy her the ticket out of town.[/u]
There is a difference between "paying for less" and "paying less leading to less." The latter is what has happened in D.C./Maryland and Virginia. Prove me wrong, though. Show me where the D.C. flat rate advocated on these forums has made the scene better in any way. I'll be waiting with bated breath.
*** Rates for younger therapists in NYC
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On the West Coast, if you want a R&T from a younger therapist you will be charged at minimum 120 and at most 175. Think Kacy from NoVA who now advertises on Eros (surprise surprise).[/QUOTE]
As promised I am reporting back
Looks are better then a 5 and the attitude should be a 10.
I saw her this evening and was very happy. Though she is not a spring chicken she did not try to deceive by lying about her age. At first she did not say but later came through. I do not know if it was because she was honest about it but I thought she looked you for her admitted age.
She is a great therapist and actually runs a legitimate business. She is friendly and pleasant. SHe is a good conversationalist who does not worry about the payment until everything is done. She did not once ask me for the money and I just let her $$ in from of the ORIENTAL art.
She did a very nice BBBJ (though I did not CIM) and when it came time for the sugar walls she offered to put a cover on for me. I asked her if this was necessary and being that she thought "I looked clean" she was willing to allow me to enjoy organic.
I did not try the DATY but might have been temped on another day now that I know how sweet she is.
The office is a normal acupressure spot and she tried to as discrete as possible.
I give it to Bird Dropping on this one. Though he mentioned a lot of truths I think what he might have forgot to mention was that he did all that over a period of time.
She claimed to be getting a new "therapist" this week but could not verify if she would do the same services but she said that one is about 26 but did not know any more about her.
Worth the trip and time and will repeat in a few weeks.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Bird Dropping]Looks: 5/10
Attitude: 9/10
Service: 9/10
Extras: 9/10
PM for details[/QUOTE]
Yes There is a Coco in every AMP
[QUOTE=Oldtar]I was in the Vienna area a few days ago so I thought I would give this place a try. The location is hard to find (read: DISCREET) with plenty of free parking off street in the rear. The facility is very clean and well appointed and looks brand new. Mamasan met me at the door, took me to a room and collected the fee ($80 for an hour). After I undressed Coco came in. (I think there mus be a Coco in every AMP! This one was definitely Asian, but the darkest complected Asian I have ever seen.) She helped me into a nice terry robe and took me to the shower room. The TS was long and thorough and everything was cleaned well. She dried me off and took me back to the massage room and gave me one of the longest, most thorough massages I've had in a long time. Then she asked me what I wanted to do and I said "Everything" so she asked for the money and I gave her $. She asked for 20 more but I told her that was all I had. She said, "OK, next time." She then gave me "everything" with great gusto; it was certainly worth the extra money. As I left she gave me a bottle of water and some very nice hugs and kisses. I'll certainly go back the next time I'm in the area. That place is First Class![/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. Sounds like this place has significantly improved since my last visit there. Looking forward to returning and meeting another Coco.
The Guy from ORK was right
Sunday afternoon.- I had an extra hour before work, and decided a trip to see my ATF at K***s was in order. The last visit with Sue was a birthday treat, so I had hopes. Angie greeted and escorted. And then told me Sue was away today. <sigh
Since all the ladies have been nice to me there, I was not too disappointed. And once Mindy arrived, I was not dissappointed at all.
Mindy is georgeous. As pretty a lady as one could ask to see. I am certain she would satisfy even the most discriminating definition of spinner.
Georgeous face, 5'4. Maybe 100 pounds. Slender. Beautiful hair.-- and a 10+ attitude.
Wonderful TS. Really superb with lomi-lomi massage.
Very nice theraputic massage that really helped my sore back and knee.
Very pleasant finish (but standard in all respects for NoVA).
Sunday afternoon.- and no rush (was quiet when I arrived, but the bell rang at least 3 times during my hour). Full hour. Great massage.- another nice time at my favorite place.
Standard rates for the hour and tip
Be nice to the ladies
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