Thanks for the day and night shift advice. Is it safe enough on the main roads in WP club areas?
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Thanks for the day and night shift advice. Is it safe enough on the main roads in WP club areas?
[QUOTE=Coeltrain;1579994]Thanks for the day and night shift advice. Is it safe enough on the main roads in WP club areas?[/QUOTE]Park in the lots, under the lights if you can. Many of the clubs have security in the lots. I am most nervous at Dollies and Blondies. When going to those clubs I am very vigilant. But I don't let it scare me off.
[QUOTE=Coeltrain;1579994]Thanks for the day and night shift advice. Is it safe enough on the main roads in WP club areas?[/QUOTE]The key thing is don't speed. The cops will get you for going 1-2 miles over the limit. The lots are not too bad. They usually have security out and about. In all the times I have been there I have never had any issues.
[QUOTE=MojoMan; 1579699]Roxy's was dead. 3 or 4 cute girls. The cutest one preferred to sit by herself. A couple were busy with regulars. Boring.
PT's Brooklyn had plenty of cute girls, but this half-philipina / half-grenade girl with crooked teeth wouldn't stop talking to me. I bought a drink and left.
Cheeks had a really cute 20-year-old white girl whose name escapes me. A little thick. Huge, AMAZING boobies. And a whole lotta fun to talk to, but she never offered me a private dance. When she asked for a second jager bomb, I excused myself.
Paige at Dollies was a ripoff. We agreed to CBJ behind the beads for. 4. Not only is she not that attractive (actually, I have no idea why I agreed to go with her, now that I can think clearly) , but after 1 song and she said she wanted more money. I told her no thanks. So I left.
Miss Kitties. Layla. Amazing girl. Fun. Great lap dance. I didn't ask for more than a dance, and I doubt she'd do more. She had to go change her panties. She said another girl laughed at her in the dressing room for getting so wet. I guess it's a professional hazard. Totally worth it.[/QUOTE]Great girl but she is a HUSTLER. She does her job very well. Unless your somewhere in your 20's and black I doubt her panties got the least bit wet. Just sayin buddy. She is good.
[QUOTE=Harve3320;1581371]Great girl but she is a HUSTLER. She does her job very well. Unless your somewhere in your 20's and black I doubt her panties got the least bit wet. Just sayin buddy. She is good.[/QUOTE]I have no doubt that she is a hustler, but I know her panties were wet. I won't say more.
Biggest rip off artist on the East Side. Promised FS in the skybox for a good price (no more than I would pay at Cheeks). Got up to the top when she told me she was on her period. In fact she claimed it was only the second on since her baby was born (wow, what a coincidence and she never mentioned it on the floor). Asked if she would give a me a BJ instead."Hate the taste of condoms and not putting you uncovered in my mouth'. Offered a HJ with HE or 'you can give the club 200 and me 300 to buy me out for the night and then we can do FS at your place". Asked for the HJ since I was pissed already at the scam. She pulled out jr and stroked him for 3 minutes and said I better hurry since time was running out, half of which she wasted running back and forth to the office. Tried to give her direction to get me off but she said there was too much precum and that was gross and she was done. Gave me a number claiming to be hers to get together this week for the same amount I gave her Saturday and would reward me with FS finally. I am sure the number is a fake just like this *****. If I ever get this chick outside the club and knowing her disdain for cum or precum. I think an 'accidental' facial is in order.
[QUOTE=STLguy1980;1583301]Biggest rip off artist on the East Side. Promised FS in the skybox for a good price (no more than I would pay at Cheeks). Got up to the top when she told me she was on her period. In fact she claimed it was only the second on since her baby was born (wow, what a coincidence and she never mentioned it on the floor). Asked if she would give a me a BJ instead."Hate the taste of condoms and not putting you uncovered in my mouth'. Offered a HJ with HE or 'you can give the club 200 and me 300 to buy me out for the night and then we can do FS at your place". Asked for the HJ since I was pissed already at the scam. She pulled out jr and stroked him for 3 minutes and said I better hurry since time was running out, half of which she wasted running back and forth to the office. Tried to give her direction to get me off but she said there was too much precum and that was gross and she was done. Gave me a number claiming to be hers to get together this week for the same amount I gave her Saturday and would reward me with FS finally. I am sure the number is a fake just like this *****. If I ever get this chick outside the club and knowing her disdain for cum or precum. I think an 'accidental' facial is in order.[/QUOTE]Forget her as I also got scammed by her with promising a great outside play time. I was stupid and believed her and "I know" little head let me pay her up front and then follwed her to her home. She stopped 2 times trying to lose me at a convience store when she asked me to go pick up some beer and she would wait for me LOL I gave her 10 bucks and told you buy the beer. Finally we got to her place and she did invite me in and told me to have a seat whie she went upstairs to change clothes. When she came back down she asked me if I wanted a beer before we got started so I replied yes and then I asked her to get ready for some fun and she told me "what are you thinking, I just met you and I am not going to let fuck me for the three hundred you gave me that was just for looking at my tits at the club! That was the worst scam I have ever had and I should have know better as I have been clubbing for 40 plus years, but she is sexy and has a way of trapping you into believing that she will deliver
[QUOTE=Hrny Oldman;1583437]Forget her as I also got scammed by her with promising a great outside play time. I was stupid and believed her and "I know" little head let me pay her up front and then follwed her to her home. She stopped 2 times trying to lose me at a convience store when she asked me to go pick up some beer and she would wait for me LOL I gave her 10 bucks and told you buy the beer. Finally we got to her place and she did invite me in and told me to have a seat whie she went upstairs to change clothes. When she came back down she asked me if I wanted a beer before we got started so I replied yes and then I asked her to get ready for some fun and she told me "what are you thinking, I just met you and I am not going to let fuck me for the three hundred you gave me that was just for looking at my tits at the club! That was the worst scam I have ever had and I should have know better as I have been clubbing for 40 plus years, but she is sexy and has a way of trapping you into believing that she will deliver[/QUOTE]We need to share the rip off stories of the clubs as much as we need to share the good ones. If guys know, going in, that these girls are scammers maybe the well will dry up and they will learn they have to do what they promise. I guess I fell in to the trap after getting a number from a girl at Penthouse and having her come over the next night before she went in to work for some fun. Thought maybe I would get lucky again. Should have stuck to Roxy's and the little blonde hottie that was there.
Will be in town on Nov 4 and 5. Just wondering is Makia, from MK is still in the area. Any info would be appreciated. Are any of the clubs open on Sunday.
I think some of you guys just don't understand the dynamics at play in the clubs. There are some clubs such as Dollies, C-Mowes, Cheeks, and Wiseguys were it is a pretty straightforward transaction. The girls know why most of the guys are there and its just a matter of finding the right girl to suit your fancy. Sure there are some "hustlers" in those clubs who will rip a guy off but for the most part they don't last all that long in those clubs. Also if you come in as either a naive newbie or a cheap asshole some girls might decide to run some game on you. On the other hand if you come in, pay attention, spend some money and take some time you can usually figure out who is probably a good bet for a good time in a private. I hate to over generalize but for the most part these girls aren't dancers they're prostitutes.
The other clubs are different. You have a mixture of girls working.
There are dancers who don't do extras and will get offended and even have you thrown out for asking. There are dancers who will do "extras" but only with guys who regularly spend money on them. There are dancers who will do extras if the mood strikes her and you're offering enough money. There are dancers who will do extras if she needs money. There are also dancers who don't do extras but will run game on you and hustle you for all the money she can by insinuating she might do extras. Oh, she'll dance and play with you all night at the club always hinting that more is available but eventually you either run out of money, wise up, or its shift change time and the fantasy ends. They are selling you a fantasy.
Then there are the hardcore hustlers at the clubs. These girls dance, some will work the floor hard for privates, and all are always looking for an angle. These are the girls that will tell you they'll do everything you want, but will push that it needs to be in the "millionaire suite" or the "skybox", or the "VIP room" and not the regular dance booths. These girls prey on guys who come into the club and think every dancer is willing to give it up for the cost of VIP. They may even use the old meet up after work con.
Then there are the "dirty" girls, the girls who are basically the same as the ones in Dollies and C-Mowes except they're younger and hopefully better looking. Every club has them, the regular dancers hate them because they're "dirty" and draw in guys thinking every girl in the club will give it up for the price of the VIP. The hustlers don't like them either, seeing them as weak and lacking game, giving up the goods too quickly and cheaply.
So when you walk into a club you've got navigate your way through this environment without falling into any of the traps. Alcohol consumption and lack of blood flow to the proper head adds to that problem.
You the Man.
[QUOTE=Jannisary; 1583949]I think some of you guys just don't understand the dynamics at play in the clubs. There are some clubs such as Dollies, C-Mowes, Cheeks, and Wiseguys were it is a pretty straightforward transaction. The girls know why most of the guys are there and its just a matter of finding the right girl to suit your fancy. Sure there are some "hustlers" in those clubs who will rip a guy off but for the most part they don't last all that long in those clubs. Also if you come in as either a naive newbie or a cheap asshole some girls might decide to run some game on you. On the other hand if you come in, pay attention, spend some money and take some time you can usually figure out who is probably a good bet for a good time in a private. I hate to over generalize but for the most part these girls aren't dancers they're prostitutes.
The other clubs are different. You have a mixture of girls working.
There are dancers who don't do extras and will get offended and even have you thrown out for asking. There are dancers who will do "extras" but only with guys who regularly spend money on them. There are dancers who will do extras if the mood strikes her and you're offering enough money. There are dancers who will do extras if she needs money. There are also dancers who don't do extras but will run game on you and hustle you for all the money she can by insinuating she might do extras. Oh, she'll dance and play with you all night at the club always hinting that more is available but eventually you either run out of money, wise up, or its shift change time and the fantasy ends. They are selling you a fantasy.
Then there are the hardcore hustlers at the clubs. These girls dance, some will work the floor hard for privates, and all are always looking for an angle. These are the girls that will tell you they'll do everything you want, but will push that it needs to be in the "millionaire suite" or the "skybox", or the "VIP room" and not the regular dance booths. These girls prey on guys who come into the club and think every dancer is willing to give it up for the cost of VIP. They may even use the old meet up after work con.
Then there are the "dirty" girls, the girls who are basically the same as the ones in Dollies and C-Mowes except they're younger and hopefully better looking. Every club has them, the regular dancers hate them because they're "dirty" and draw in guys thinking every girl in the club will give it up for the price of the VIP. The hustlers don't like them either, seeing them as weak and lacking game, giving up the goods too quickly and cheaply.
So when you walk into a club you've got navigate your way through this environment without falling into any of the traps. Alcohol consumption and lack of blood flow to the proper head adds to that problem.[/QUOTE]Make no mistake. It was all my fault. Thinking with the little head, had some drinks and was riding high after hitting big at River City. Thought I would try out a PT's girl instead of the known girls at Cheeks / WG / etc. Won't make that mistake again.
[QUOTE=STLguy1980;1584203]Make no mistake. It was all my fault. Thinking with the little head, had some drinks and was riding high after hitting big at River City. Thought I would try out a PT's girl instead of the known girls at Cheeks / WG / etc. Won't make that mistake again.[/QUOTE]Amen! We all have had our lapse of judgement at times.
[QUOTE=Jannisary;1583949]Dancers vs Hustlers vs Pros[/QUOTE]Damn fine advice, man. I tried to explain this concept to a guy on another board just today, but you said it way better than I did.
So much of it is just learned with practice. Just last week I was at Miss Kitty's and I was talking with a dancer who was visiting from out of town. She had driven 6 hours to STL to make some money over the weekend. She told me she was 35 years old, but that she had only started dancing 3 months earlier. On her last trip to MK a couple of weeks earlier she had made a lot of money, so this trip she was not happy to not even make tipout. I tipped her a few times at the stage, but made it clear to her that I wasn't going to get any private dances from her. The important thing was WHY I didn't want privates: in the regular private area you can't have any fun, and in the VIP room the house gets a HUGE cut. I told her I wanted to have fun with her and I wanted her to have all of the money. I ended up going back to the hotel with her, and we had a great time.
But that's all because I could tell that she wasn't a hustler and she wasn't a tease. She was willing to work for her money, and she took home more than if she had tried to hustle me at the club.
Very well said. Have seen all kinds over the years and have made mistakes but learned from them. In the end it is all about money.