"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Nothing much here. Lots of first and second contacts, then radio silence with no warning. None of those I've hit back after 7-10 days of cooling off have replied. One offered a phone conversation only to not actually call at the time she prescribed. I then had a meet & greet with a girl that required 3 weeks of email game playing. Really clever over email. Real foxy in person. Had a drink, talked for 90 min, her gaze didn't waver one damned bit even though the bar was full. Yet she keeps dropping hints about not being interested in romantic relationship. I think that's a game too. This one I'll keep working. She's a difficult to travel to however, so I don't know how that'll play out. At least she has her own place, or so she says. I believe this is one of those that gets turned off if you chase her, but then gets pissed if you ignore her. There's a fine line. Hats off to those getting to the FC. I salute the dedication.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2237397]So I have been on Tinder and I see a lot of spammers. However, I got hit up by this asian chick. She is Thai and Koren and goes by the name of Mersayde. I found her facebook page and we met up for drinks and she seemed cool but I couldn't tell if she was more of a sugar baby or straight up pro. After a lot of texting I am going to meet her next week. She says she works at Hollister and came to the use earlier this year and already has a house. Something was fishy but she finally quoted me a price for a good time. I have tried to find intel and other than her facebook page nothing really of substance. Below are her pics would love to see if anyone has met this chick. Thanks [ATTACH=CONFIG]346936[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]346937[/ATTACH].[/QUOTE]Do a tincan search of her pix it will show up if its used anywhere else. Copy the pix she sent ya into tincan and it'll do face recon for ya in bunch of sites. GL.

She looks nice. Put punnanee is going to have dark lips. And stink hole a little soy saucey with hints of fish stinks from her thai side naturally. Spicy side will be korean. Clearly we men are in wrong bizz huh. A year in states and she has a house LOL. Mr. Yuu must have been a great father to off spring such nice babies.

Scheduled another tryst with my 19 yo today. Rented a room last night for a planned 9:30 am get together this morning. Texted at 9:20 and she was on her way. When she didn't show at 9:45 I texted a WTF? Said her car had broken down. Told her sorry for the misfortune but I couldn't help that. Gave her until 10:15 and texted I was leaving (wasted room). She called me at 10:30 with "oh woe is me" and how bad things were and she needed the money. Asked where where she was broke down and she was illusive. I said maybe another time. Called me 30 minutes later and she said she was just down the street from the hotel I had rented. I raised the BS flag and said she could have walked from there. I won't completely rule out another time but for the immediate future I am saying "Next! In part because I met a 20 why / o ODU coed this afternoon for coffee that has one of those faces that were average in high school with a skinny body but has since evolved into a real hottie. I mean REAL hottie body of a cross country runner (that's what she does). I'm hoping my bust this morning turns into a Boom. Wish me luck.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2237041]It's weird as I feel like I could have written this post myself. But I'd like to add, that once inside the bowl and you make a few connections with these incredible sexy, nave," innocent" young women, it will without doubt, forever change you. And if in the wrong situation (wife at home, or other long standing SO) it will ruin this! Just plain straight ruin it. You will never be able to look at her the same. This is something some of you more new SD's need to consider before starting this part of the hobby. It will change you and your life significantly. The reasons are too many to list here. And in my conclusion it has lead me to believe more then ever that on a raw and evolutionary level, man was designed to spread his seed. My early adventures inside the bowl has tapped into a side of me I did not know was there. And if I had a wife at home, I would be on my way out.[/QUOTE]Two things save me from letting it really change me forever: (1) my current GF (2) realistic limits on my finances.

If I were in a different relationship and / or had unlimited money, I might just become a permanent SD. Partially because if I were that rich, it would be terribly difficult to find someone who could see past the money and actually love me, so I would have to settle for just being loaded with money and pussy. Worse things have happened to a guy I'm sure.

Being an SD does seem to have a temporary damaging effect on my relationship with my GF, but so far each time I do it, I always bounce back and forget about all the SBs, re-focus on my relationship, and keep the hobby in the back of my mind for the next time I am alone and bored for an extended period of time. And, of course I live vicariously through each of you guys when you describe your adventures here.

As it is right now, I do not know when my GF's next travel event will occur, and it seems weird to say it but I'm not even looking forward to it at the moment. Oh don't get me wrong, there's nothing I'd like more than some strange pussy right now. There's not a night that goes by that I don't think about it (even as I doze off to sleep after sex with my GF). But I'm such a realist, that I also never forget how much work it is to surf the SD sites, hunting for top quality pussy, not knowing which ones will actually result in a fuck worth the trouble and which ones will flake out at the last minute, etc. It can be a hell of a lot of work. Civvy dating was always kind of a pain in the ass too, but the difference is that in civvy dating you only do it when you're not dating anyone, so you need something to pass the time anyway. I guess hunting SBs might be the same way for some people, but my situation is such that I usually have a fairly brief time window in which to schedule M&Gs. So, even a single failed meet-up can amount to a big waste of unrecoverable time.

So, yes it's insanely addictive while it's going on. During my last SDing rampage, the last girl I hooked up with was really amazing, perhaps even dating material (in fact I think that's what she was looking for from me). I actually started to feel like shit because I actually cared that she was expecting to see me again and I had no intention of seeing her after my GF got back. But, it all worked out. We texted back and forth a few times and I just spaced the timing of my responses out and was careful with words so that she could kind of get the vibe that our fling was a one-time event. Someone as hot as she is has a long list of guys always chasing after her anyway, so it was no harm done. I on the other hand spent about a month wondering if I was ever going to be able to fully return to my old self and re-focus on my relationship.

But, I did. In fact I'd say it's going better than ever. Even some of the things my GF and I used to argue about seem to be taking a backseat to our overall enjoyment of each other's company.

So, I guess if I ever do get busted maybe I can honestly look my GF in the eye and say "I did it for us! I did it to make our relationship stronger". LOL. Ok, well yeah that's probably not going to fly. But it does seem to be one of the long term effects of the hobby in my case.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2237441]About 2 months ago I did a M&G over dinner with this 26 year old mixed latina MILF. We txted here and there and then all of a sudden she txts me today and says she wants to go to the FC. Seeing her tonite for $. She is driving 30 miles to see me. Intercourse is not guaranteed. I do that a lot to take the pressure off the girl. 50% of the time it leads to fucking, add another 20% or so for oral. So usually only one out of 3 or 4 goes to a HJ. And if there is a second date its gotta be for fucking (or no second date. LOL). This is why I dont understand all these guys that go to AMP's. They are basically paying the same or more for a super high mileage girl. I doubt this girl has had sex in 6 months. I forget what she said, but it had been a while.[/QUOTE]So my date for tonight just left. She was fun but nothing special. I can do almost any girl one time if she has a sexy smile, nice big eyes and some sexy daddy talk. She was clean and had some nice nipples to suck on. Her kissing skills were a bit lacking. I give her 6"s and 7's Olympic style scoring. She wasnt super tight like the teen girls that never had a kid (think she has a couple). I four fingered her, and you could never do that with a young girl. But she did manage to keep me interested for a full hour. I did come onto her originally with the "all i need is a HJ" spiel. So it did take me about 10 minutes to get her panties off. And I had to push her around a little (you could tell she liked it : ) ). Cuz once I started pushing her hips started moving. She came a half a dozen times and I did once which is my usual. I am sure she would have let me fuck her for another hour, but there was no point in doing that. I got off and she quickly left. I don't think this was her first time at the rodeo. But I didn't have to go anywhere and she did it for the agreed upon $.

This was a very random hook-up as I had met her 2 months a go and she calls me out of the blue. This is not the first time this has happened. I can only assume that if they turn me down originally and then call way later, that they just got into a little money crunch and figure something is better than nothing. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Although a few times when they have called later I have turned them down for various reasons (mostly just wasn't too attracted). They don't like that. It's like "wow, you"re turning down my pussy for a $ ? Screw you!"

On to the next one.

Just got off text with this one.

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As I hate roundabouts, this is how conversation went.

She: how are you.

Me: I'm fine. How about you. What are you looking for?

She: someone to take care. Blah blah.

Me: let's keep it simple and talk about roses.

Silence. 10 min.

She: 3 per1.

Me: It's ok for 1 but if you want to continue every month then it has to be much less. If it's ok where and what time works.

Details exchanged. Conversation over.

Let's see how it goes.

Hi guys, I been in hobby for 30+ yrs. Was just wondering what sites to visit to find the SD girls? I know of sugar daddy, but any others? I am in Oklahoma and spend good chunk on AMPs. PM or post here. Greatly appreciated.

Peace.

[QUOTE=Urtruelove78;2237696]Just got off text with this one.

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As I hate roundabouts, this is how conversation went.

She: how are you.

Me: I'm fine. How about you. What are you looking for?

She: someone to take care. Blah blah.

Me: let's keep it simple and talk about roses.

Silence. 10 min.

She: 3 per1.

Me: It's ok for 1 but if you want to continue every month then it has to be much less. If it's ok where and what time works.

Details exchanged. Conversation over.

Let's see how it goes.[/QUOTE]No offense, but you might as well just hook up off of backpage. That's just a working girl. SB dating is an entire different dynamic and world. If you going to SB-thing, you need to gain the entire experience. Wham, bam, can be found anywhere.

I think [URL]Seekingarrangement.com[/URL] is recognized as one of the better ones -- at least they do not have a recurring charge that is impossible to kill!!

[QUOTE=IndianChief;2237886]Hi guys, I been in hobby for 30+ yrs. Was just wondering what sites to visit to find the SD girls? I know of sugar daddy, but any others? I am in Oklahoma and spend good chunk on AMPs. PM or post here. Greatly appreciated.

Peace.[/QUOTE]

I think [URL]Seekingarrangement.com[/URL] is recognized as one of the better ones -- at least they do not have a recurring charge that is impossible to kill!!

[QUOTE=IndianChief;2237886]Hi guys, I been in hobby for 30+ yrs. Was just wondering what sites to visit to find the SD girls? I know of sugar daddy, but any others? I am in Oklahoma and spend good chunk on AMPs. PM or post here. Greatly appreciated.

Peace.[/QUOTE]

Hello fellow SDs. It has been a while since I last posted but I've been monitoring this board closely (thanks to all of the great reports) and have remained active in the sugar bowl despite a rough period about a year and a half ago when my SO got extremely suspicious and confronted me about finding an unused condom laying around when she returned from a trip to visit relatives.

Although I managed to deny ownership to the point that she either gave up on the questioning or decided that she really didn't want to know the truth, that event slowed me down considerably. However, I have determined since that I don't have the will power to stop and life in the bowl has had considerable ups and downs since that time.

I've found over the 3 years or so that I've been in the bowl that I don't have the desire to pay the amount required to get a 9 or 10 rated SB in my search area (these seem to be running 300 and up per visit or want to tie you into an even larger equivalent monthly allowance to pay their living expenses), but can compete ok in the 6-8 rating range with per session allowances ranging from 150 to 250 per session. With that payment range, I currently have a small stable (very small compared to some of you regular posters) that I'm sure I'm sharing to some degree with a few of you that frequent this board. That's ok with me though. I'm not one that can promise to exclusively see only one SB at a time and I don't really require that of any SB that I contact. I typically have 5-6 SBs on my regular call list and have found that I need that number of active contacts just to help insure that when I have a free date to meet that I have someone available with enough time on their schedule to meet me. Most are busy with either school or multiple jobs or both, and finding an agreeable meeting time has been a challenge. I even have a couple of options that will meet me I the early morning (6-7) timeframe because the nature of our schedules are so hectic.

I do keep actively searching for that one SB that can meet all of my needs. Just haven't found one yet in my price range that can fill the requirements of:

-$200 or less per meeting.

-Enough free time to conform to my meeting timeframe limitations.

-8 or better in the looks and skills categories.

-Ability to host at their location at least occasionally.

-A NP that truly limits their P4 P activity to only a chosen few.

Still looking though. And I have to admit that the search has been fun.

Alias.

I am now going on 7 months playing in the bowl and have learned a lot while having too much fun. If that is possible. I think I have settled into a very good place for what I am looking for. Stable includes VAbaby (26) - 4 months now. We meet about 1 per month, $. 5 per date. We play for 4-6 hours per date. Found a cheap hotel that lets me check in at 10 AM. Lots of fun. Bad with her. She lives with a bf and communication not so great. Taking tips from here and elsewhere I decided that I need to add some more SB's to the mix to have more communication. Latinbaby - (39) live outside ATL. Amazingly tight P and very affectionate. We will meet about 2 x per month. Only cost is dinner or lunch. She stays the night and is lots of fun. She is a great communicator and is very excited to see me. I am currently interviewing for another SB. I have modelsb (fitness model - 34) - been on two dates, one very quick m / g and a lunch. Next date is this week with FC visit. Cost "just be fair". Chattbaby. This one has come back from silence. She was the first m / g I did. Lunch date with make out in parking lot. Then she disappeared. Came back into the picture last week. Just texting now, but she is hinting that she is ready for this type of relationship. Have 3 other POTs that are in the texting stage (all between 21-25) in the ATL area. So I am in a really good place for me. I am not big on "one and done", I prefer to have an ongoing thing. Everything just gets better.

I signed up for SA to increase my stable. Great site filled with lots of POTS. Keep in mind, that are lots of UTR, Pros and SB's on the site. I prefer the SB's or serial SB's so it does take some weeding out. I do not play within 50 miles of my hometown. Just too much risk. I travel with work 2-3 days a week which makes for lots of date time. SA is set up with one fake identity. Once a prospect moves to POT status I give her another fake identity to communicate with me. Seems to work very well and builds trust right away. Google voice and gmail are your friends. I was playing in WYP and SDT. I have decided that WYP is a waste compared to the prospects on SA. SDT is good. But lots of work and not many opportunities. I have found that SDT is worth checking for fresh "new to the bowl" prospects. They just don't pop up that often. I am on my third week with SA and have contacted lots of prospects. About 1/3 of my contacts turned into POTS. From there I eliminated about half due to receiving more recent pics, crazy $$ requirements, just plain crazy or UTR / PRO suspicion.

Question about SA. Once your 30 days runs out do you keep access to existing messages or is everything blocked out until you renew again?

Last weeks dates: Mon. Overnight with Latinbaby, Tues 2nd MG with an atlcollegebaby (she is out of the stable now. No FC), Wed 2nd MG with modelsb. No FC, FC is scheduled for this week, Wed and Thurs wife dates, Fri VAbaby 4 hours.

This weeks dates: Tues. Overnight with Latinbaby, Wed. Mid afternoon with modelsb, Fri. VAbaby.

I have read some of the comments about this really messing up the SO dynamic. For me, it has made everything better. My SO is even performing better now. Maybe I am just better with all the baby play?. I need admiration, appreciation and affection to be truly happy. What was lacking at home is now being filled in the bowl. This in turn reduces my stress and makes me more pleasant to be around with the SO. No pressure on her to perform which has worked wonders. Keep your cover solid and hide all tracks. Good Luck in the bowl brothers.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2238863]Question about SA. Once your 30 days runs out do you keep access to existing messages or is everything blocked out until you renew again?
[/QUOTE]You are indeed blocked from accessing you messages, both reading and sending. IIRC, the first month was $46, while your future options are going to run closer to $70/ month for the month-to-month option. It's a bit cheaper if you go for multi-month bundles. The really ridiculous thing is that you CANNOT extend your membership until the first month runs out, thus garanteeing a short black out. One thing that still works is people you've previously communicated with will still be able to send you messages, so you get the notification which could helpful should you have already exchanged email / phone. I don't believe new contacts can be made since you effectively lose your premium status until you pay.

HTH,

SM.

I too have been away from the Bowl for some time now and have just recently dipped my toes back into the water. It's tough sledding in my neck of the woods, but I am persevering and am hopeful. In the past I seem to have ended up with milfs, which is fine because in general the sex was off the charts. The down side there is that in most cases, there was emotional attachment involved. This time around I decided to focus on the young babies and I have found that it's a whole different ballgame.

I tried to craft an interesting introduction letter. However, in many cases all I get back is "Hi, can I see your pics?" I am assuming this is a trait of the younger babies. What has been the board's experiences with this and how do you respond?

[QUOTE=MagicRat;2238896]I too have been away from the Bowl for some time now and have just recently dipped my toes back into the water. It's tough sledding in my neck of the woods, but I am persevering and am hopeful. In the past I seem to have ended up with milfs, which is fine because in general the sex was off the charts. The down side there is that in most cases, there was emotional attachment involved. This time around I decided to focus on the young babies and I have found that it's a whole different ballgame.

I tried to craft an interesting introduction letter. However, in many cases all I get back is "Hi, can I see your pics?" I am assuming this is a trait of the younger babies. What has been the board's experiences with this and how do you respond?[/QUOTE]I respond with pics when they ask, of course.

It's not a trait of just younger SBs, it would be the first expectation of any legitimate SB. If she doesn't have a strong interest in assessing you physically as the very first order of business, she has already identified herself as an escort rather than an SB. Unfortunately the SD sites are polluted with these types.

A real SB is going to look at you as someone she may potentially be spending a lot of time with -- so of course she cares what you look like, if you're good in bed, etc. An escort or a UTR girl has a priority on the amount of cash to be made per transaction and is just trying to keep her schedule filled with income opportunity. Backpage and CL are probably better bets for that type of girl.

Of course I send the pics when they ask. I guess my point is that is the first and only thing asked at times. I have exchanged a few messages with Pots before they asked for the pics, but this time around seems different. But hell I'm old and forgetful so it may have always been that way.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2238937]I respond with pics when they ask, of course.

It's not a trait of just younger SBs, it would be the first expectation of any legitimate SB. If she doesn't have a strong interest in assessing you physically as the very first order of business, she has already identified herself as an escort rather than an SB. Unfortunately the SD sites are polluted with these types.

A real SB is going to look at you as someone she may potentially be spending a lot of time with -- so of course she cares what you look like, if you're good in bed, etc. An escort or a UTR girl has a priority on the amount of cash to be made per transaction and is just trying to keep her schedule filled with income opportunity. Backpage and CL are probably better bets for that type of girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2238863]I have read some of the comments about this really messing up the SO dynamic. For me, it has made everything better. My SO is even performing better now. Maybe I am just better with all the baby play?. I need admiration, appreciation and affection to be truly happy. What was lacking at home is now being filled in the bowl. This in turn reduces my stress and makes me more pleasant to be around with the SO. No pressure on her to perform which has worked wonders. [/QUOTE]I have tried to explain this to a few girls worried about their SO's cheating on them.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;2238944]Of course I send the pics when they ask. I guess my point is that is the first and only thing asked at times. I have exchanged a few messages with Pots before they asked for the pics, but this time around seems different. But hell I'm old and forgetful so it may have always been that way.[/QUOTE]I guess you were asking whether it's a new trend if they ask only for pics? I think there are perhaps multiple things at play:

1. To a real SB, photos are going to be pivotal, as they will dictate whether she wants to continue talking about anything beyond that.

2. Unlike 10 years ago, a lot of people do a lot of their dating communications via text or email on their phone / tablets. Smaller keyboard, smaller screens, less convenient to type so it doesn't make a lot of sense struggling with lots of written words at first, asking people what their favorite color or type of cuisine is until they've already been vetted via #1.

3. Since most of the girls have already posted their pics on the site, they see it necessary to level the playing field a bit to get pics of you as soon as possible. Many of them know you might be married thus have reasons to not put your pics in your profile, but they need to see them to balance things out. After all, you chose them based on their photos so in order for things to be *mutually* beneficial they will need to see yours.

4. Girls have their safety in mind, so the sooner they receive a picture of you, the sooner they can help ease any thoughts that you may be a creeper or psycho that's hiding something. Many of them do swap the photos of potential daddies around to their friends who are also on the site (I. E. "do you know this guy? " ) So it's partially an intel sharing exercise just like guys posting pics here of girls.

5. Some of them feel like they've gotten scammed by fake photos (guy sends them one photo, shows up looking very different). A number of them have conveyed this to me.

I started getting into online dating 15 years or so ago when it first started taking off. Trading pics first, if they weren't already online, was always pretty much common etiquette. Whenever I meet a girl who doesn't place an emphasis on seeing what I look like, it's an immediate red flag that she's a pro.

Oh where oh where has my baby gone oh where oh where can she be?. Two hours away, that's where. I prefer staying closer to home. My first long distance SB is just too far to make it work, unless she drives to me. Too much to ask for I guess, but we did manage to have half a dozen dates in 3 months. I hope to get a few more.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;2238896]I too have been away from the Bowl for some time now and have just recently dipped my toes back into the water. It's tough sledding in my neck of the woods, but I am persevering and am hopeful. In the past I seem to have ended up with milfs, which is fine because in general the sex was off the charts. The down side there is that in most cases, there was emotional attachment involved. This time around I decided to focus on the young babies and I have found that it's a whole different ballgame.

I tried to craft an interesting introduction letter. However, in many cases all I get back is "Hi, can I see your pics?" I am assuming this is a trait of the younger babies. What has been the board's experiences with this and how do you respond?[/QUOTE]Getting any response back shows that you have crafted a good intro letter. Count these as wins. Be funny when you reply back with your photos.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2224901]After a long absence, I just paid a 1 month fee to get back on SA to check things out.

Got 3 POTs confirmed for FC dates.

Pot #1: 19 yr old short little latina with a booty that rival Minaj. Just want a phone bill paid each month.

Pot #2: 20 yr old AA. A freaky coed that just want to be fucked hard and good. Not much talk of sugars.

Pot #3: 24 yr old AA coed that does modeling on the side. This one is tall (5'9) with LONG legs. Asked for 4 $, and negotiated down to 1 $. Sensing some GPS here.

And amazingly, I came down with a terrible cold / flu. So, got to wait till next week. Updates coming soon.[/QUOTE]A quick update:

Pot 1 tried to pull a quick one on me. As we set a day / time to meet, she asked me for for 250 to pay her first month mobile bill. And she wants all of it on the first date. I don't play this game, so I wish her good luck.

Pot 2 was all freaky and communications were great, then she went radio silence. A case of a curious sexual freak, that probably got cold feet as soon as she realizes shit was about to happens.

Pot 3 still communicating, but haven't been able to meet yet. We set up 2 dates, but then she catches a cold and then I came down with one myself.

But not all is lost. Hooked up with this petite 24 yr old MILF baby. Txt for almost a week before we hook up. She was very nervous as we met in the FC, I can tell this is not something she does. Ended up spending 2 hours and made an hour long video with her, but deleted it by accident as I tried to upload to my cloud account. Some of my best babies are young single moms. They're expectations are realistic, lonely, horny, and do aim to please.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2239799]A quick update:

Pot 2 was all freaky and communications were great, then she went radio silence. A case of a curious sexual freak, that probably got cold feet as soon as she realizes shit was about to happens.

[/QUOTE]One trick I've learned about most normal women (I'm qualifying that with "normal" because there are some girls who are really emotionally broken that would be exceptions to the advice that follows, but by and large that type is best avoided anyway):

If they get excessively freaky in text / e-mail, unless you know them REALLY well (and have been banging them for a while), try to get them back on a normal track as quickly as possible, especially if you've never met in person for the first time. It sounds counter-intuitive, but try to diffuse their freakiness. Otherwise, in all likelihood it will backfire. They are doing it as a roleplaying exercise, experimenting with ideas, and if those ideas get TOO experimental relative to their actual sexual experience, they will just get cold feet as you said, and back out before you get a chance to find out if their fantasies are real. They will end up feeling like they've dug a hole too deep for themselves to actually meet you or make good on all the promises.

Example, hot civy date that I had been web camming / chatting / talking on the phone with for a while. She was going to be moving to my area soon and all was going well. So one night on the web cam she tosses back about a bottle and a half of wine, and gets horny. Starts telling me she's never done anal before but wants me to fuck her in the ass when we meet, etc. So next day she goes dark. Two days later she comes back with "oh my god, what did I do the other night? I can't believe some of the things I said". I just said "I didn't take any of that seriously, I know you were just joking around because the wine".

That's about the only thing that can be done in that situation. If you feed the fantasy talk she'll likely feel compelled to back out before the deed, unless she's a mental case. If she really is an honest to god firecracker you'll find out soon enough by putting on the poker face early on.

I have been sending my emotional intro letter to a targeted group that I feel might be offended by my direct P4P letter. After a positive response from a tiny MILF.

"I guess I'm not every girl, because I'm only looking for two things…
Someone who's…
1 - going to valet park every time and,
2 - really good at fucking me"

I sent my P4P letter next. Here is a response I got from that one.

"And just to be clear. I don't accept money for sex or anything like that. I have a job, friends, and a therapist, so I don't need your emotional support. If you email me I'll tell you all about the things my I like to do. ".

We"ll see where it goes from here.

Ok, just finished up a month of SA. Handful of POTs but no dates yet.

But want to reinforce some things so others go forward with caution down this SB road.

1) First, on sending pics. I have only sent real pics to 3 women. I have sent fake pics and so some women and so far have never been question on it. But if you do send pics, make sure your location services on your phone is turned off. I had a SB send me a pic and google told me exactly where she lived.

2) Keep as much personal info to yourself. Reveal as little as possible. I recently emailed a POT who had only talked to a couple of times about a month ago. I get a message back saying this is her husband, don't contact her again. Spooked me a little but I never sent any identifying info.

3) No matter if she has a hot body, if she seems a little psycho, cut it off. I had set up a date with this SA girl. She was sexy, seemed normal at first, very nice body, willing to host. Promised an amazing experience. But then she would get a little snippy if I ddin't return her texts right away. So I explained to her if I didn't respond it was because I was at work, with family, or driving but I certainly wasn't ignoring her. I asked her politely to chill out and respect my limitations. She seemed a little apologetic and understanding and we scheduled a date. So on the day of the date we chat a little and I tell her I would be occupied up until 4 pm but I would contact when I got free. So, literally at 4:02 she is sending texts to me asking where the hell am I, that I must not be serious, and too forget it, and so on. I texted hey, I didn't mean 4 pm on the dot just around 4 pm but since she clearly doesn't get it and has already declared the date off, good luck to you. She continues to text me for the 2 hours, ranting.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2239891]I have been sending my emotional intro letter to a targeted group that I feel might be offended by my direct P4P letter. After a positive response from a tiny MILF.

"I guess I'm not every girl, because I'm only looking for two things
Someone who's
1 - going to valet park every time and,
2 - really good at fucking me"

I sent my P4P letter next. Here is a response I got from that one.

"And just to be clear. I don't accept money for sex or anything like that. I have a job, friends, and a therapist, so I don't need your emotional support. If you email me I'll tell you all about the things my I like to do. ".

We"ll see where it goes from here.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I got involved with a company that did direct mail marketing (long before the internet). One of the things they did was to send various low volume mailings (2-3 thousand pieces ea.) with different messages to test for response percentage. They would decide on the mass mailing (100,000 to 1 M pieces) based on the test resuts. Sounds like you are employing the same techniques. A good example of sound scientific SB mining!

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2240153]Many years ago I got involved with a company that did direct mail marketing (long before the internet). One of the things they did was to send various low volume mailings (2-3 thousand pieces ea.) with different messages to test for response percentage. They would decide on the mass mailing (100,000 to 1 M pieces) based on the test resuts. Sounds like you are employing the same techniques. A good example of sound scientific SB mining![/QUOTE]Actually it's what I have been doing for a living for the last 10 years. So yeah, it's the same process, different audience.

I know this is a longshot, but anyone tried dealing with girls (SBs, pros whatever) in bitcoin? Also, since its not legal currency, trading bitcoin for "favors" would still be legal I assume?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2240749]I know this is a longshot, but anyone tried dealing with girls (SBs, pros whatever) in bitcoin? Also, since its not legal currency, trading bitcoin for "favors" would still be legal I assume?[/QUOTE]For example here in Florida an example a prosecutor friend used to explain what could get you arrested was if you offered to buy a woman dinner in exchange for a BJ, you have just attempted to procure. It is the offer to exchange anything of value in exchange for sex.

So I got my princess down to about $$$ for this month and hopefully to more like $$ a month going forward. I have now been through the The 5 Stages of Loss and Grief. It has taken about 10 weeks. Not too bad after 18 months.

1. Denial and Isolation. At times I was just blissfully passing on the fact that our sex life was below average. Infatuation stage.

2. Anger. That girl is takin my money and not giving up the goods. We had a few mini breakups along the way.

3. Bargaining. Mostly with myself. "well my other girls more than make up for her". Which was true but not justifiable as far as accepting the fact that I was paying 1k a month allowance.

4. Depression. She is so perfect from afar, yet far from perfect. Oh what could have been. I thought she was my fantasy come true. My perfect little dream girl. I'll never find another.

5. Acceptance. No problem. At $$ a month I don't really care about the money, and I will still see her 2 - 3 times a month. Well worth it.

I still love being in her arms, I am just not unrealistic about our future. And I am actually happy we still talk everyday. She is exclusive to me and that does have a value. (just turned 21, beautiful face and 5'5' - 102) I never really get bored of touching her. I just wasn't getting to touch her enough. So its all about being balanced. And now it is.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2240821]For example here in Florida an example a prosecutor friend used to explain what could get you arrested was if you offered to buy a woman dinner in exchange for a BJ, you have just attempted to procure. It is the offer to exchange anything of value in exchange for sex.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Well, at least it has the advantage of less traceability. You can do bitcoin transactions without ever exchanging real names. Also gives a way to hide actual transactions from SO for those that need to.

What made me think of this is I went to book a hotel online and were surprised to see that some of these places accept bitcoin now.

I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]Brother, been there, It is an addiction at this point, the brain is producing dopamine in large quantities and has become addicted to it. Same addiction as with LSD or crack cocaine. I did some research on why I couldn't walk away and was doing stupid shit to stay with her. Thought I was going crazy but found out it was a chemical addiction. Going to be hard to give up even if you find another or want too. Been there. If you do get rid of her, I'll take a whack at her. Good luck.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]
I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]You WILL tire of her eventually, or at least desire variety. Just enjoy the ride and let nature take it's course. These unicorns only cum infrequently. Just don't over use her or you will tire of these all nighters. Maybe it is age but after I shoot my load and spend a few hours doing it I am ready to watch TV and grab some shut eye. Then again in the AM it is OK to hop on my woody and ride again.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]I have the best "fuck" from my MILF that usually comes 20 to 30 times in 45 minutes. I once had a civi girl that came every 5 minutes for as long as I fucked her. There is a girl on the cam site I watch that squirts every 5 to 10 strokes. But the best overall experience I have isn't necessarily tied to how many O's a girl has. My girl S is awesome and doesn't cum at all. And never has with anyone yet. But her hour long oral sessions have me smiling.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2241840]I have the best "fuck" from my MILF that usually comes 20 to 30 times in 45 minutes. I once had a civi girl that came every 5 minutes for as long as I fucked her. There is a girl on the cam site I watch that squirts every 5 to 10 strokes. But the best overall experience I have isn't necessarily tied to how many O's a girl has. My girl S is awesome and doesn't cum at all. And never has with anyone yet. But her hour long oral sessions have me smiling.[/QUOTE]This and Jez's post are sound advise. We think we will never tire of such intensity, but it will happen. And I think women who are made the orgasm this way, probably know it too, based on past experiences. This is why they end up with so many partners. For me, I guess I need to tap into my need for variety to get over this hump.

It has always fascinated me how some women can come from simply brushing their clit, some can come from three locations inside them, over and over, some can come from the clit and inside and others don't O at all. And how can it be fair that women can orgasm over and over, when we cum once and we have to recharge. Whoever said men need and want sex more then women do was a jokester on all of humanity. Women just hide it better.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241870]This and Jez's post are sound advise. We think we will never tire of such intensity, but it will happen. And I think women who are made the orgasm this way, probably know it too, based on past experiences. This is why they end up with so many partners. For me, I guess I need to tap into my need for variety to get over this hump.

It has always fascinated me how some women can come from simply brushing their clit, some can come from three locations inside them, over and over, some can come from the clit and inside and others don't O at all. And how can it be fair that women can orgasm over and over, when we cum once and we have to recharge. Whoever said men need and want sex more then women do was a jokester on all of humanity. Women just hide it better.[/QUOTE]I mean its a trade off. A girl gets to potentially have insane sex, but nobody really wants to fuck them after they turn 40 (so there is a shelf life on how long they can fuck a hot guy). Except for those real housewife tv show girls and their lame husbands (and I don't know how they get it up for them, triple doses of V). A guy (myself as an example, or many guys on this site) can keep going and attracting top quality pussy at 60 and longer.

60 got here way too fast. So I,ll be grateful for the sex I do and will continue to get, as opposed to better(?) sex, but only untill I look older (and 40 isn't that old) and wrinkley. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2241886]I mean its a trade off. A girl gets to potentially have insane sex, but nobody really wants to fuck them after they turn 40 (so there is a shelf life on how long they can fuck a hot guy). Except for those real housewife tv show girls and their lame husbands (and I don't know how they get it up for them, triple doses of V). A guy (myself as an example, or many guys on this site) can keep going and attracting top quality pussy at 60 and longer.

60 got here way too fast. So I,ll be grateful for the sex I do and will continue to get, as opposed to better(?) sex, but only untill I look older (and 40 isn't that old) and wrinkley. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well I'm in my mid 40's and never had such an easy time bagging 20-somethings in all my life. And having some great sex. But I will say there is no way I can ever look at a 40 year old woman the same again. I don't care how hot she is. SB changed that forever. But women have their day in their 20's. So it's nature way of evening things out I suppose. And I intend to act on it. The best part? Many of these girls I've interacted with, actually desire me completely and want something more. I refuse to allow that to happen again, but it's refreshing knowing I'm not completely off limits due to my age, etc.

Ok fellas watch out for the kids / nigerians / whothe*uckever is doing an ewhoring campaign on SA. This last one got me with the *updates* to and pulling in the dead father angle. The second email was straight out of a porn movie.

Every vigilant boys, ever vigilant.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241934]Well I'm in my mid 40's and never had such an easy time bagging 20-somethings in all my life. And having some great sex. But I will say there is no way I can ever look at a 40 year old woman the same again. I don't care how hot she is. SB changed that forever. But women have their day in their 20's. So it's nature way of evening things out I suppose. And I intend to act on it. The best part? Many of these girls I've interacted with, actually desire me completely and want something more. I refuse to allow that to happen again, but it's refreshing knowing I'm not completely off limits due to my age, etc.[/QUOTE]Far from off limits. I know everyone says without the money you wouldn't get the pussy. But even if you were a 20 something guy, try dating a girl from beverly hills or wherever and not have any money and see how far that goes. Every young guy out here with a job that likes chasing pussy has a European car. Its almost laughable, mostly because they still live with their parents. Even my daughter has a better car than me. (and lives at home).

[QUOTE=JoeBlowDC;2242057]Ok fellas watch out for the kids / nigerians / whothe*uckever is doing an ewhoring campaign on SA. This last one got me with the *updates* to and pulling in the dead father angle. The second email was straight out of a porn movie.

Every vigilant boys, ever vigilant.[/QUOTE]Can you share more details and links?

RB.