I thought they alleged the girls lived there?
[QUOTE=MisforMaster;4173133]The fourth amendment protects individuals, and not locations.
Do you think the spa owners in Florida just welcomed the cops in to install the cameras that were used during the bust? Go read their probable cause affidavit -- "A judge signed off on a search warrant for electronic surveillance. " Then, they observed remotely for five days.
A judge signs off on the order, the cops break in after hours to do the install. Why do you think police departments hire lockpickers? And. KY has a detective on their SWAT team in Boone County who taught lockpicking once a month at a non-profit in Queensgate.
Nobody has to believe me -- this is the internet and all -- but, sadly, I am super familiar with these techniques from my time as a public defender in a different state.
MM.[/QUOTE]So how was an after hours break in going to work if the girls lived there? Wasn't evidence that the girls lived here the reason they suspected human trafficking?
Extras for compensation or Pro Bono
[QUOTE=HandaMan;4177743]You paid for the massage service but not the extras you get, to me you didn't paid her to give you the sexual favor so it's not prostitution. It's more like you and her were sexual attracted to each other and things just happened. Here is my question, I own a bar for a long time, a hot chick came in and sat on the bar. We talked for most of the night, she decided to stay and wait for me to get off work, I gave her shots after we closed. We end up had sex in my office. Now is this considered prostitution since I gave her shots? Or she just liked my personality and decided to have little fun with me? If I get caught, I might get charged for servings after hours, but I doubt I will be charged for paying a prostitue. Since AMPs are in the hot seat lately, LEO's are trying to get them any which way they can. Things may be legal in ours eyes might still be illegal with uncle LEO. Anyway everyone stay safe![/QUOTE]I don't think it makes much difference whether the favors are provided as a result of mutual attraction, at a bar, or as an appreciative gratuity, after a relaxing massage. The end result is much the same, if someone in authority wants to interrupt the activity. If someone is busted, stopped or questioned before, during or after an event, even if an actual charge isn't filed, the intimidation and potential threat of arrest would frighten and devastate most participants, regardless of which side of the table they were on. That threat in itself is likely to cause a huge negative impact in the massage business (at least for a while), and is (or should be) in the back of everyone's mind when we read about how far, and how much money is being spent to scare, intimidate, and threaten warrants for misdemeanor or minor felony charges. If trafficking is the real target of their investigations, why isn't that money and attention directed to the airport customs checkpoints, as these alleged thousands of unsuspecting Chinese / Korean women are being brought by escorts into this country and then forced into indentured servitude after their arrival. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, or that it shouldn't be stopped if and when it does, but I do believe that the numbers are grossly exaggerated or it would be much easier to recognize and stop the real traffickers at the border, rather than trying to "fix" the problem by intimidating and humiliating discreet providers and their clients. When high profile Florida participants (names intentionally omitted) are caught in their nets, it's just another opportunity for the 'do-gooders' to exploit all victims (male and female) and draw attention (and more funding) to themselves to further their own agendas. What easier assignment can a detective have than to sit in a car to see who comes and goes, or watch hours of video of what was thought to be a private, non violent event. I wonder how many other much more serious, violent crimes were committed during the weeks, and hundreds of hours that the Florida investigation was going on?
Would you be kind and PM me where pike is? Much appreciated.
[QUOTE=Golden3;4178401]This morning, I called Winton Rd. And got no answer. I don't know what the story was, and I didn't go there to check it out.
I called Springfield Pike and got an answer, so I went there. The place isn't much to look at. The parlor is in a mostly vacant strip mall. In fact, it may be the only business there. The premises are rather bare. However, Mary, the masseuse, is reasonably attractive and very friendly, so I am glad that I went there.
Driving to my next destination (and I do have a life outside the hobby), I passed by 1718 East Galbraith. It seems to me that I had read that it had re-opened under new management, and, indeed, the "Massage" sign was lit up. However, by then, I was no longer interested, so I am just passing the information along FWIW.[/QUOTE]I think I have an idea but I wanted to be sure before I went out there.
Second the presence of cop cars
[QUOTE=DaytonNew;4175923]Local police car with asian female cop inside parked in front. Wait for 15 minutes she didn't move.
They don't get it. Asking for HJ has been in existence for centuries and it will continue. Waste of taxpayers money.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Third time I have seen a cop car parked outside. I have personally decided to stay away from this place. The fact it is tucked between big stores, might cause its demise. Moral policing and all.
Be safe.
Ob.
Another interesting point about the 'invasion' of Orchid Spa in Jupiter
[QUOTE=ABigBull71;4180667]They have arrested over 300 people so far! Unless they are arresting the people the claim are trafficking, this is a huge waste of money.[/QUOTE]This was a link posted with an article in Ft Meyers Florida regarding the legality of installing hidden cameras in private places. I'm sure we haven't heard the end of this conversation yet.
[URL]https://reason.com/blog/2019/03/04/sneak-and-peek-warrant-for-florida-sting/amp[/URL]