"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1692170]"Awe ok but no that's not enough someone offered me 1000 each visit and I really need that so I can get me a car so sorry guess ill go with them :/"

So which of you bast*s is paying these GPS types that kind of money? I think even if I had it, I would still hesitate to spend that much even for the finest of "garden tools".

Oh well, at least I still have my 2 backup SBs still in rotation.

Keep up the fine posts. And let me know if 1000 is anywhere near any of your going rates.[/QUOTE]Mr AliasSM,

I dropped $$$$$ one time for a visit to the FC. CPO was $$.5 and I spent 5 hours with her. I had a great time. But, I would NEVER do that again. 1K buys me a week with ATF1, ATF2 or ATF3. That is 24/7 access to all three holes in a vacation setting. There is no sugar for the trip. That is just expenses for the vacation. Somebody out there is getting PUNKED! LOL!

Just say no to GPS!

SubCmdr Out

I have a friend who is a straight garden tool. She told me the calculation is as follows:

Oral and / or Vaginal sex is $. That is 20 minutes. One bust. If you haven't busted by then too bad. If you bust before then, session is over. Now fetish is more expensive and a variable.

They don't want to hang out with you unless they like you anyway. They don't want to talk to you about your problems unless they like you anyway. First visit is a interview. If you pass the interview you get the opportunity for repeat visits. And she has her own frequent visitor program. Everything is up for negotiation after you make it past the first visit. She is looking for repeat visitors. Just like any good business would.

I had a SB give me a prior relationship discount. I wanted to see her. She had plans to meet someone else. She canceled her meeting with the other guy who was paying 3 times what I offered. In order to spend time with me because the drive was shorter and she liked me. 3 hours 2 busts. Always keep in mind the concept of Goodwill. It will get you further than $ ever will.

Go deep, Go HAM and prosper!

SubCmdr Out!

So I'm very new to this side of things "the bowl". I have been trolling in the escort / AMP / mp waters on and off for the last 11 yrs. So I have spent quite a few hrs RTTF. I have had an ad on sd4me for the last couple of weeks. I have several fishing lines in the water. Trying to determine and stay away from the Nando 1's. I learned that much at least. I still haven't figured out what the heck FC is. Not sure if I'm doing things right but I like the hunt. Funny thing is with each one as I start talking to them they all go out of their way to say they are not a prostitute. I always say. I know that and that's not what I'm looking for, if I was I'd be looking in a differnet place. They buy it hook line and sinker every time. Dumb broads.

Pot 1:23 yr old hottie. She is a solid 8 or 9. She has a job. I thought I had scared her off with being pretty blunt in an email asking her what she wanted out of the arrangement. We are scheduled for a coffee meeting on Sat.

Pot 2:39 yr old (she's probably older) she has a job and can host. Had a coffeee meeting with her today. It went well and she wanted to get to it but I had to run. She has already texted saying she liked me and was sad I had to go. So she is a lay I can schedule whenever I want. I told her I can pay 100 per meeting. She said she usually gets more. Yeah sure.

Pot 3:24 yr old hottie. She lives 1 1/2 hrs away so nothing scheduled yet. We talked about meeting in the middle somewhere for lunch.

Any advice or feedback from you folks is appreciated. By the way Mr. Scott your story about the boyfriend coming home in the middle of things reminded me of a similar thing I had with an escort yrs ago. Not funny at the time but funny as shit looking back on it.

Welcome to the Forum PatsFan. I have asked the question about pay several times to the experts on this forum in the past and have learned a few tricks of the trade myself. For those of you that are "CPO" conscious like I am (I think SubCmdr keyed that phrase for me anyway) , here are my observations and a summary of previous posts:

1. You don't always get what you pay for. Price doesn't guarantee quality.

2. As soon as you see the GPS attitude, run don't walk to the nearest exit.

3. Don't overpay or set expectations too high on the first visit to the FC. It's almost impossible to go lower on subsequent dates once a CPO expectation has been established.

4. Members of this forum have success at all levels of the SB price range. Some are investing $500 or more per meeting and ar happy with a CPO of 500/1, some are having success at CPO levels below 100/1. As always, there are guys that have gotten really good at the game, know how to pick their SBs, put some time in (and enjoy) the chase, and possibly have more to offer in the looks and / or charm category. Don't know how else to explain it, but if you have the time to find them, there are some real bargains out there in SB land.

My personal observations (and this may be highly dependent on your home base) :

1. Asian girls are the most expensive, especially in the 20-30 yr old category. For me, they have been almost impossible to lure to the FC in my price range. They seem to be looking for that super wealthy SD only and will not settle for less.

2. AA girls seem to be the most reasonable in their expectations of the sugar bowl.

3. Extremely young (18 to 22) SBs often (not always) have more reasonable expectations also. Once they find that one SD that will pay the GPS price, you will not likely have a chance with talking them into the lower price range.

My going rate is 150 per visit. This is after the M&G and only after the FC is assured. I pay 100 when I don't care if I see them again. I have paid more than 150 in the past, but can't say it has resulted in a better experience. My current ATF is happy at the 150 level and the CPO with her is always at least 75/1, sometimes lower if I can handle her.

I admit that I am not the expert in this matter. Others on this forum are known to keep the CPO well under 50. More power to them and maybe someday I will learn their strategies.

Alias.

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1;1692922]Pot 2:39 yr old (she's probably older) she has a job and can host. Had a coffeee meeting with her today. It went well and she wanted to get to it but I had to run. She has already texted saying she liked me and was sad I had to go. So she is a lay I can schedule whenever I want. I told her I can pay 100 per meeting. She said she usually gets more. Yeah sure.[/QUOTE]

I take a slightly different budget approach than the CPO model when it comes to SBs. When I'm strictly concerned about my CPO, I go see an escort, UTR, and etc. Usually it's much cheaper and less of a headache. Just last week I saw a hot 18-20-ish escort for 80 for a half-hour. Pretty good experience. It got the job done, and I didn't have to book a hotel, or do my whole covert ops routine that I have to do every time I see a SB.

So when it comes to SBs, I look at the whole SB experience I'm getting, not just the pop at the end. I actually enjoy the dinner, movies, texting, and other fluffy stuff that I probably wouldn't brag about to you guys at the bar. So I examine the whole package I'm getting and then make a eBaby bid based on what I think the SB experience is worth to me and how badly I want to win the auction.

And it is an auction. The problem with offering a SB < 100, is that even if she accepts it initially, you're almost guaranteed she will either ditch you or take on another sugar daddy within a few weeks. Some guys don't care about this, but it's something to keep in mind if you do. (And BTW, offering a higher allowance alone doesn't necessarily guarantee they'll be exclusive to you either. See below)

Anyway, this is how I set my eBaby bid strategy.

- My max bid is 300 per visit. Minimum is 100. Though I regularly talk about things in terms of "expenses", so I keep my actual bid amount hidden if possible.

- If she's unemployed and doesn't goto school, I make a low bid. Making a high bid would just be a waste because she'll have too much time on her hands and will likely see multiple SDs regardless. Giving her more money will likely just encourage her even more to make being a SB her primary job. She'll either become too dependent on me beyond my resources or start banging half the SD4M members in the local area.

- If she works AND goes to school, I'll make a higher bid. In this case, a higher allowance will be effective in keeping her coming back to me only because she'll have limited time to see multiple SDs so it will be in her interest to keep me happy and not play the field as much. And since she already has a job and already has the ability to be in school on her own, she sees my sugar has a welcome bonus and maybe some relief but she's still connected to the real world. The bowl will probably be temporary for her.

- If she's a HYCB fresh to the sugar bowl, I give a moderate bid amount. Something high enough to stand out among the low-bidders, but not too high that I cause the onset of the GPS contagion too soon. There's definitely a lot of flexibility with this group, but it's also the most volatile.

- Any girl who says something like,"My normal rate is.", I instantly drop it down to my minimum bid or just revoke it entirely. She already has a Pro mentality, so I'll treat her as such. Now if she says something like "I was kinda looking for x amount.", then I might still entertain discussion. It's one thing if she has some preconceived expectations, it's another thing entirely if she already has a rate card.

If it's clear she's been a SB for a long-time, I give a low bid. With very few exceptions, I personally believe there's no such thing as a long-time SB. If a SB has been in the sugar bowl for 2+ years and / or had at least 3-4 SDs, then she's probably already transitioned into a UTR girl. She'll just cycle through the Rolodex of SDs and pots she's corresponded with over the years. I'm not bidding high on a UTR girl. She'll get the same amount as an escort.

- There's a few other things I factor in to my bid amount. If conversation is painful and I wouldn't want to be around her outside of the FC, then the bid will be low. Though if I can't have a good conversation with her at all, then I'll very likely pass on her entirely. If there's zero connection, then it's literally the same thing as seeing an escort. I'll take an escort over a personality-challenged SB simply because of the less covert work involved.

Anyway, essentially for me an ideal SB experience is a girl who strokes both ego and cock. So I base my budget on achieving those things. I could have a CPO of 80 over the course of a multi-hour evening in a hotel and yet still be unsatisfied if she's a deadfish, very distant and is difficult to communicate with. I see SBs for the "personal" touch and semi-exclusivity. Viewing it as an auction and making the appropriate bid based on what I'm looking for yields better results for me. I pay less for the things that aren't really important to me and I stay competitive for the things I do desire.

I'm having a hard time decoding your report. What is CPO, GPS, UTR, CF?

John G Smith,

Nice post. Thanks. I am thinking on getting into the SB arena and this combined with a couple other posts really rounds out the required useful info. There is surely a lot to consider.

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1693654]I'm having a hard time decoding your report. What is CPO, GPS, UTR, CF?[/QUOTE]Brothers,

It seems as if word has started to actively circulate about our special little clubhouse, and while I would be the first to admonish the pledges to RTFF, I am in a mellow mood today, as I have been given a pass to go back down to New Orleans, primarily to bring my daughter, and her new kitten, back for Spring Break. I will, of course, be spending at least one night with my Obsession, NolaBaby, with whom I have been texting and emailing since I last was there. Hoo-fucking-ray for me! If I disappear forever, look me up in the Big Easy. I actually am a little worried that I will do something insanely stupid, but you only live once, right? Nando, you survived?

Back to matters at hand, perhaps it would be a generous gesture to "decode" some of our acronyms at this point for the benefit of the newbies. I will start with the four above, and let you all chime in as you see fit, or not. As has been said, there is wisdom aplenty here, but it was in most cases hard won, and perhaps we should not spoon-feed it to the newly arrived? I'll let you all decide.

As and aside, PatsFan, please call me Scotty. Mr. Scott was my father, dude LOL!

CPO. Cost Per Orgasm.

GPS. Golden Pussy Syndrome: a treatable disease that afflicts some babies, causing them to overvalue the access code to the goodies.

UTR. Under The Radar: I believe this is on the Forum already in the Abbreviations section.

CF. I think you meant FC: Fucking Chamber. Anywhere you are planning to bang your baby.

I will leave other abbreviations, like HYCB, HYM, MB, and more, to others to contribute, if you wish. Right now, my head is swimming with thoughts of Obsession.

Peace,

Scott

I have received a point violation for being argumentative. I'm shocked!

A gesture of goodwill is below gentlemen:

Where it all started.

'Sugarbabies'/'Arrangements' Amateurs or Not? (Literal2 – Post #1)

Prostitution? (CantWinLosin – Post #3)

Sugar Baby Metrics.

Qualitative.

Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernado Post #779)

ISBE = Ideal Sugar Baby Experience (John G Smith. Post 1983)

Quantitative.

CPO = Cost per Orgasm (SubCmdr – Post. 1464)

TIH = Time in Hole (AOneFred7734 – Post 1972)

Security.

Girls in your house (GolfCart – Post 1993)

Best Practices (F Scott – Post 1989)

OPSEC (SubCmdr – Post 1486)

Google Voice (Richmond Fotog – Post 453)

Tiger Wood Rules (Coolhand2 – Post 55, Literal2 – Post 56)

SB Mindset.

Price of a SB (Shabby Blog. Post 1462)

Golden Pussy Syndrome (GolfCart – Post 412)

Sugar.

Allowance (Cantwinlosin – Post #43)

This is not all inclusive. Gentlemen please feel free to update. I will make a note to the index.

SubCmdr Out!

I must be bi-polar I always seem to get the 1's and the 5's

Anyone fishing in the Richmond market? PM me if you have any intel on LookHeartSimple24 from SDFM. She is a very hot young 20s and works professionally. Could be a scam (probably) but curious if anyone has had a successful meet.

I would consider going pro if this one is real.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1694293]Anyone fishing in the Richmond market? PM me if you have any intel on LookHeartSimple24 from SDFM. She is a very hot young 20s and works professionally. Could be a scam (probably) but curious if anyone has had a successful meet.

I would consider going pro if this one is real.[/QUOTE]Google Images shows that her photos are stolen. She could still be really hot, though, but I'd insist on a free coffee meet first.

Beware of Chasiti and Hollie two sbs in the South on SA. Profile 829884 for Chasiti and Profile 1421744 for Hollie. They threaten to report you to the site if you don't wire them money in advance. BTW are any of you having any success in the South? I haven't had much luck lately. There are a lot of girls that refuse to do oral and they're constantly asking for gas money in advance which is a no no for me.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;1694785]Beware of Chasiti and Hollie two sbs in the South on SA. Profile 829884 for Chasiti and Profile 1421744 for Hollie. They threaten to report you to the site if you don't wire them money in advance. BTW are any of you having any success in the South? I haven't had much luck lately. There are a lot of girls that refuse to do oral and they're constantly asking for gas money in advance which is a no no for me.[/QUOTE]The answer to that threat is 'go ahead'. Report them to the site as scammers.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1695178]The answer to that threat is 'go ahead'. Report them to the site as scammers.[/QUOTE]I did, but they were texting me and threatening me last night. I blocked their numbers and accounts on SA, but they have created new accounts already. So, be on the lookout guys, They are aparently on a road trip and having sex with random guys on the site on their way to the west coast.