Non Pro's

[QUOTE=VanDawg;6547340]Why would you drop 1 k on her though? Browsing on seeking it's not uncommon to see perfect 10's for whatever your preference is. If they have a decent personality, sure some wealthy guy will pay $1 k for them, and I bet they are earning it. Not regular looking girls like her.[/QUOTE]That's your opinion. She's white, 22, HWP, gives a vibe in her bio. Like a lot of guys, I've learned that pure arm candy rarely satisfies behind closed doors. The point is that money and value aren't the same thing. One of the best encounters I've had cost me a buck fifty. It was a one time thing (and she left bite marks) but she was hot and the chemistry was there. Most of the guys paying $1 k are doing it so they don't have to talk, I guess.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6547635]That's your opinion. She's white, 22, HWP, gives a vibe in her bio. Like a lot of guys, I've learned that pure arm candy rarely satisfies behind closed doors. The point is that money and value aren't the same thing. One of the best encounters I've had cost me a buck fifty. It was a one time thing (and she left bite marks) but she was hot and the chemistry was there. Most of the guys paying $1 k are doing it so they don't have to talk, I guess.[/QUOTE]I think most guys paying those sort of prices are doing it so they can brag about it. I have a client that bought a $100 K car. How do I know? He casually mentioned it about 10 times. I have a friend that has a $5000 bottle of whisky. How do I know? Because it's prominently displayed in his living room and he mentions it every time I'm over. I met some guy at a hotel I was staying at who was in the "presidential suite". How do I know? Because he regularly mentioned that he was in the presidential suite.

So, yes, I'm sure guys are paying $1000+ to hook up with a 22 YO and I'm assuming many are doing it to brag that they got a $1000+ piece of tail or to brag about how they banged a 22 YO. It's not the value of the tail, it's that they can tell others that they are paying $1,000+ for some tail. For me, I don't think I could look myself in the mirror if I was paying that much to get laid.

I had a potential SB (now friend) who was 19 at the time, tell me about how a guy offered her $2000 to spend the night with him. Unfortunately (for her) she was unaware of what would be expected if she was getting $2000 for a night. I felt bad because I know that if I'm paying $2 K, I'm getting every fantasy (deranged or not) out of my system. She told me she that if she knew she had to do all that, she would've asked for more. Now, her base is $2 K for a night (which is why we're just friends).

[QUOTE=DelToro;6547442]KindCutie.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/aa3bf7fc-0a24-4c81-a172-5c0c9dae411c[/URL]

She is late 30's, cute but really nothing extraordinary.

First thing she asked when switching to text.

"What is your ballpark budget. I run higher than some".

I offer 400, she replied that would only cover oral.[/QUOTE]She must like my pics, I was going to hook up with her in Oly for 300.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6547124]I got catfished. I don't want too post the members details on here in case she watches this thread. I tried to make the best of the situation though. Her photographs made her look really skinny, great use of angles. What a joke LOL.[/QUOTE]Pm the profile I will post it, if not you're not helping.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6548085]She must like my pics, I was going to hook up with her in Oly for 300.[/QUOTE]Now I am hurt.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6548088]Pm the profile I will post it, if not you're not helping.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8681732c-fd44-4315-a223-7249cef08d95[/URL]

She knows what she's doing. That photo of her body on there make it look like she's skinny by a good margin and also she's not "average". That one pic has got to be many years old.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6548210][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8681732c-fd44-4315-a223-7249cef08d95[/URL]

She knows what she's doing. That photo of her body on there make it look like she's skinny by a good margin and also she's not "average". That one pic has got to be many years old.[/QUOTE]You posted the message, we can't open them.

On another note the fakes have just been insane the last couple of days. I've gotten over a dozen messages in the last two days. All were fake.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6548245]You posted the message, we can't open them.

On another note the fakes have just been insane the last couple of days. I've gotten over a dozen messages in the last two days. All were fake.[/QUOTE]Oh sorry. The member is named "troppywoppy". I blocked so I can't link the profile.

Any information on this one?

Do why'all put in real details in your profiles with pics?

[QUOTE=Tribeca67;6548560]Any information on this one?[/QUOTE]It is better to just post the link to their profile.

She was TGTBT, went a long with it. Practically agreed to everything. Getting close to time to meet to send her location to meet, asked if I had cashaap / zelle. Wanted me to send money, when she arrives.

I politely cancelled and she says that Karma’s a ***** for leading her on.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/81102f5a-4fde-4a0a-84c4-0e68bb5a3083??locale=en_USS[/URL]

[QUOTE=LetsGoBB;6548904]She was TGTBT, went a long with it. Practically agreed to everything. Getting close to time to meet to send her location to meet, asked if I had cashaap / zelle. Wanted me to send money, when she arrives.

I politely cancelled and she says that Karmas a ***** for leading her on.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/81102f5a-4fde-4a0a-84c4-0e68bb5a3083??locale=en_USS[/URL][/QUOTE]She has changed her city like 10 times. No real intention to meet.

[QUOTE=NYTransplant1;6546045][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae7f5805-8790-41e4-b39a-a3a366dbf1aa[/URL] - CatsPajamas.

I'm apparently running terrible, with two straight 'GPS' women. The exact quote on this one was "my last two successful arrangements started with a ppm of 1000 and I'm looking to meet (or exceed) that this time around."

I kind of hate calling out the idea of "GPS" but I am surprised to hear these amounts. Been doing this 3 years with success and I typically go a bit higher than what most who post on here say they're comfortable with. Bananas to see almost 100-200% inflation in allowances all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]Average looking face and average looking body for 1 k+ LOL f no.

[QUOTE=LetsGoBB;6548904]

she says that Karmas a ***** for leading her on.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/81102f5a-4fde-4a0a-84c4-0e68bb5a3083??locale=en_USS[/URL][/QUOTE]People who throw that phrase around have never stopped and done any introspection to figure out what exactly what it is that they've done wrong that puts them on the bad end of karma. Being a victim at its finest. Karma is a two-way street, after all.

Should have known better. After a really cool 1st date she asked for some money and said it would be applied to are scheduled 2nd. After I sent it to her she never responded to text messages and blocked me on SA. Grabbed her account info before she did.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5cff31cc-4a10-448f-bd67-dc86319acc3f[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunPup67;6549257]Should have known better. After a really cool 1st date she asked for some money and said it would be applied to are scheduled 2nd. After I sent it to her she never responded to text messages and blocked me on SA. Grabbed her account info before she did.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5cff31cc-4a10-448f-bd67-dc86319acc3f[/URL][/QUOTE]I am not surprised. A lot of these girls are just thieves.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/31a2156a-accb-4fd8-b87a-ece393867d57[/URL]

Watch out for this girl. I was talking to her before her account got deactivated. She just created a new one.

Unfortunately while I think everybody would have more success with a young newbie then an old vet. You can't really tell who is just a scammer and who is a well meaning newbie on this site because there are so many new accounts being created by the scammers.

[QUOTE=RunPup67;6549257]Should have known better. After a really cool 1st date she asked for some money and said it would be applied to are scheduled 2nd. After I sent it to her she never responded to text messages and blocked me on SA. Grabbed her account info before she did.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5cff31cc-4a10-448f-bd67-dc86319acc3f[/URL][/QUOTE]Profile is gone or I already blocked for some reason, did you get laid at least?

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6549303][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/31a2156a-accb-4fd8-b87a-ece393867d57[/URL]

Watch out for this girl. I was talking to her before her account got deactivated. She just created a new one.

Unfortunately while I think everybody would have more success with a young newbie then an old vet. You can't really tell who is just a scammer and who is a well meaning newbie on this site because there are so many new accounts being created by the scammers.[/QUOTE]From what I'm seeing 90% of new accounts are fake / scammers.

Out of the last 20 that I messaged or messaged me only 2 have been maybe real. One I texted all day yesterday and we are planning to meet next week. We will see. The other I'm still messaging on the site. Both are in there early to mid 30's though and are looking for a longer term arrangement.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6550035]From what I'm seeing 90% of new accounts are fake / scammers.

Out of the last 20 that I messaged or messaged me only 2 have been maybe real. One I texted all day yesterday and we are planning to meet next week. We will see. The other I'm still messaging on the site. Both are in there early to mid 30's though and are looking for a longer term arrangement.[/QUOTE]Hell, even the real ones will ghost you at the drop of a hat if you say anything remotely imperfect.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6550205]Hell, even the real ones will ghost you at the drop of a hat if you say anything remotely imperfect.[/QUOTE]Hell, I do the same thing. If there is anything that is even a tiny bit off I block and move on. We'd all save a lot of time if everyone did the same.

Here are a couple that I have seen that are real:

Missmia: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4fd0ec34-37ec-4527-a379-8d8b467aa77e[/URL].

She is petite and cute, saw her a few times at my place. 350 for cfs, everything else bare; the first couple times were BBFS but things changed for her. PM me if you want the details. I stopped seeing her because she is in Tacoma and was constantly hitting me up for money.

Latinaflavors: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e8955f10-d546-401c-94e7-31f43fa4e497[/URL].

I saw her a couple years ago during early covid at my place. She was 350 for cfs, everything else bare. Only saw her once but had plans to meet up again a couple times but she flaked at the last minute. She's a bit of a hippie chick.

[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6543521]You're not wrong but at least for me I'm not really digging the older women (unless they are total smokeshows) because honestly I feel that I could get a 37 year old divorcee with kids normally. Why pay for it? Part of the appeal is getting that college woman who I couldn't get otherwise.[/QUOTE]The older ones are like being interrogated on a date. Haha And will try in back door into a " real " relationship! I'd ask them, what can you give me the you not already given another (s) man! Hummmm? Yea, nothing.

Over 27 on sale, over 30 50% off, 35? Clearance! 40? Outlet! Over 45. Goodwill! Now many good dudes will buy in sale, but the boss babes " won't settle. " LOL feminism has crushed women and freed men!!

Happy hunting.

P.S. Phoenix will get you under 25 poon for 500, tops! There's so many! At least so far. Keep the tech companies away and it'll be fine. LOL.

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6552442]The older ones are like being interrogated on a date. Haha And will try in back door into a " real " relationship! I'd ask them, what can you give me the you not already given another (s) man! Hummmm? Yea, nothing.

Over 27 on sale, over 30 50% off, 35? Clearance! 40? Outlet! Over 45. Goodwill! Now many good dudes will buy in sale, but the boss babes " won't settle. " LOL feminism has crushed women and freed men!!

Happy hunting.

P.S. Phoenix will get you under 25 poon for 500, tops! There's so many! At least so far. Keep the tech companies away and it'll be fine. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ruined women and men. If it had "freed men" as you say, statistically there wouldn't be so many losers around and men's depression wouldn't be sky high. That's not an opinion that's a fact.

[QUOTE=HBadger;6553178]Ruined women and men. If it had "freed men" as you say, statistically there wouldn't be so many losers around and men's depression wouldn't be sky high. That's not an opinion that's a fact.[/QUOTE]It freed the incels who were unable to evolve to fail and the adaptive men to succeed.

[QUOTE=DilzParty;6553363]It freed the incels who were unable to evolve to fail and the adaptive men to succeed.[/QUOTE]If we are going to get sociological, this has a lot more to do with neoliberal economic trends than any kind of gender politics. I've seen guy / SD profiles on seeking, trust me this is about commodification of relationships not sexual liberation, LOL.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6553830]If we are going to get sociological, this has a lot more to do with neoliberal economic trends than any kind of gender politics. I've seen guy / SD profiles on seeking, trust me this is about commodification of relationships not sexual liberation, LOL.[/QUOTE]It can be both. Wealth disparity brought on by neoliberal economic trends and awareness of such by the masses in social media causes a gap in the supply / demand expectations of everyone in the transactional relationship market that has existed forever. Adaptive males figure out what the sexually liberated / sex positive younger generation of SBs want and give that to them and it isn't only money. This obviously doesn't count for the semi-pros or supermodels looking to find a Dubai Daddy but if people are having trouble pulling smart, attractive <30 year olds for long-term consistent things it probably isn't a wallet problem unless they should be on the local board and not an SD site in the first place.

Does anybody have any hook ups in the skaggit county area?

[QUOTE=DilzParty;6553363]It freed the incels who were unable to evolve to fail and the adaptive men to succeed.[/QUOTE]Lmao that's a funny way of putting it. However, it did not "free" men. Losers are still losers, except not they can just pay for it 😆all those tech losers in Seattle. Still losers. Still not free but they just have money and can pay LOL.

[QUOTE=DilzParty;6553871]It can be both. Wealth disparity brought on by neoliberal economic trends and awareness of such by the masses in social media causes a gap in the supply / demand expectations of everyone in the transactional relationship market that has existed forever. Adaptive males figure out what the sexually liberated / sex positive younger generation of SBs want and give that to them and it isn't only money. This obviously doesn't count for the semi-pros or supermodels looking to find a Dubai Daddy but if people are having trouble pulling smart, attractive <30 year olds for long-term consistent things it probably isn't a wallet problem unless they should be on the local board and not an SD site in the first place.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting discussion, but I know we are here for info not talk. I agree w you, essentially. I have had success because I offer more than just money, but nothing has lasted more than 3 mos w a girl <30 because they're so flaky at that stage in life. Also, not great in bed. One 23 yo promised me her oral skills were unbeatable and loved kink. I didn't have the heart to tell her she was not good at either. It's not easy finding true non-pros that respect your time and are fun in bed, if you found one write a post!

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6554983]This is an interesting discussion, but I know we are here for info not talk. I agree w you, essentially. I have had success because I offer more than just money, but nothing has lasted more than 3 mos w a girl <30 because they're so flaky at that stage in life. Also, not great in bed. One 23 yo promised me her oral skills were unbeatable and loved kink. I didn't have the heart to tell her she was not good at either. It's not easy finding true non-pros that respect your time and are fun in bed, if you found one write a post![/QUOTE]EVERY woman thinks she gives the best head. Nope. The vast majority are terrible at it. This is mainly our fault, because we're so happy to get a BJ that we tell them they are fantastic (who is actually going to say, "Jeez, that was horrible") when the reality is that we just want them to keep trying. I'm at the point now that if they're doing a terrible job, I just stop them all they are going to do it hurt me (or rub it raw). The ones that think they're great in bed, well. They'll know when we're finished if they are good in bed. Again, it's our fault. They get with guys that are done in 5 minutes and think it's because they were fantastic. No. That isn't why. It's because the guys they have been with are either inexperienced or terrible. I regularly get the privilege of hearing my neighbor go at it with his girlfriend. I'm embarrassed for him. It really is like 2 minutes max; then they regularly fight because he thinks she's cheating on him. Well, from her perspective, I could see why she'd do it. If you're going to last 2 minutes, then you need to work on other parts of your repertoire.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6554983]This is an interesting discussion, but I know we are here for info not talk. I agree w you, essentially. I have had success because I offer more than just money, but nothing has lasted more than 3 mos w a girl <30 because they're so flaky at that stage in life. Also, not great in bed. One 23 yo promised me her oral skills were unbeatable and loved kink. I didn't have the heart to tell her she was not good at either. It's not easy finding true non-pros that respect your time and are fun in bed, if you found one write a post![/QUOTE]Yes, you're correct. We're here for the info. Sometimes I just like talking smack haha.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6555064]EVERY woman thinks she gives the best head. Nope. The vast majority are terrible at it. This is mainly our fault, because we're so happy to get a BJ that we tell them they are fantastic (who is actually going to say, "Jeez, that was horrible") when the reality is that we just want them to keep trying.[/QUOTE]LMAO so true.

[QUOTE=HBadger;6553178]Ruined women and men. If it had "freed men" as you say, statistically there wouldn't be so many losers around and men's depression wouldn't be sky high. That's not an opinion that's a fact.[/QUOTE]They freed if they just open their eyes!! It's plain as the nose on our faces. Now perhaps we should clarify what we mean by " men. " In that case, ya. Normies gone normie.

I should have said freed men that put in the work!

My bad.

Any intel on this one?

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6557779]They freed if they just open their eyes!! It's plain as the nose on our faces. Now perhaps we should clarify what we mean by " men. " In that case, ya. Normies gone normie.

I should have said freed men that put in the work!

My bad.[/QUOTE]Defining "men" should definitely be first. "Men" of this age are still children. Yes men who see through all the bs are definitely free but that's a very small amount.

[QUOTE=MaachoMaan;6559011]Any intel on this one?[/QUOTE]Not my type, but report back. [URL]https://fetlife.com/users/7010850[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrFox75;6551128]Here are a couple that I have seen that are real:

Missmia: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4fd0ec34-37ec-4527-a379-8d8b467aa77e[/URL].

She is petite and cute, saw her a few times at my place. 350 for cfs, everything else bare; the first couple times were BBFS but things changed for her. PM me if you want the details. I stopped seeing her because she is in Tacoma and was constantly hitting me up for money.[/QUOTE]You guys usually invite these women back to your place? Isn't there a risk in doing that vs a hotel, Airbnb etc.?

[QUOTE=PostQpdx;6559180]Not my type, but report back. [URL]https://fetlife.com/users/7010850[/URL].[/QUOTE]Didn't get vibe she meets in person.

Have seen this one post few times in SD forums.

[URL]https://fetlife.com/users/6583686[/URL]