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[QUOTE=WarlockKy;2040841]BTW, a really easy way to help cover your MAC address tracks is to use a burner wireless network card rather than the one built into the laptop, you can get cheap ones for $20 at MicroCenter and toss them or use them based on your needs.[/QUOTE]I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.
[QUOTE=Dmaphukn;2041047]Skanky is making a comeback since that Breaking Bad episode.[/QUOTE]Well in that case I can only think of a couple skanky hos I wouldn't give to my worse enemy LOL this is the phrase of the day skanky ho o hell no.
Sorry I'm bored it gave me a good laugh.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2041129]I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.[/QUOTE]Personnel VPN's seem to be coming down in price. Does anyone know if they help in hiding an identity? Just bought a USB networking card after reading these items
Bobby.
[QUOTE=Bobby1862;2041258]Personnel VPN's seem to be coming down in price. Does anyone know if they help in hiding an identity? Just bought a USB networking card after reading these items
Bobby.[/QUOTE]I always feel better if they are out of the country.
Here's the deal though and we kind of keep joking around it. The kind of investigation that this would entail is really fucking expensive. Serious network / security guys go for 150 an hour up. I just don't see the the in Cincy as having budget for it. So much easier, cheaper, faster to take out a fake BP ad or put a police woman on the street. I just don't ever see them cracking a coffee shop's ISP to find some guy looking for a hooker. (Ladies no offence intended with the H word).
The NSA is a different thing, but local Cincy... (correct use of an ellipse) I just don't see it.
A2.
[QUOTE=SecretAgent007;2041053]...pulling some other stupid, attention-getting stunt like PeeWee Herman did when he was caught choking his chicken in public.[/QUOTE]To be fair, poor ole Paul Reubens was in an adult theater when he got nabbed. Geez, did the Sarasota cops really have nothing better to do that day than bust lonely pervs jerking off to Sandra Scream in 'Nurse Nancy' in the dark shadows of the seats in a porn movie theater? Considering the extreme stuff the cops do in that town (late in 2012, they arrested and threw a homeless guy in jail for charging his cellphone at a public park), it sounds every bit as bad as Cincinnati.
I wonder if Sarasota is where Sy Leis went after he retired; he'd sure fit in.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2041305]I always feel better if they are out of the country.
Here's the deal though and we kind of keep joking around it. The kind of investigation that this would entail is really fucking expensive. Serious network / security guys go for 150 an hour up. I just don't see the the in Cincy as having budget for it. So much easier, cheaper, faster to take out a fake BP ad or put a police woman on the street. I just don't ever see them cracking a coffee shop's ISP to find some guy looking for a hooker. (Ladies no offence intended with the H word).
The NSA is a different thing, but local Cincy... (correct use of an ellipse) I just don't see it.
A2.[/QUOTE]And a good network security guy actually bills out at closer to $300/ hr.
Chasing MAC addresses etc for a client is a low return for dollars spent kind of investigation that you're more likely to find a PI or media outlet doing. Usually this kind of thing is only worthwhile if you become a target due to something outside the hobby (say money laundering, bribery, extortion).
However, chasing an agency or trafficker that crosses state lines allows the use of Federal money and is the kind of worthwhile target that generates press for multiple LE departments and politicians, not to mention being able to apply for higher LEA grants the following year.
It's a all a matter of ROI just like business.
[QUOTE=SecretAgent007;2041053]Great idea, and it's done all the time. Same goes for burner phones. HOWEVER, once again, there are prospective problems to consider and a few obstacles to overcome. . .
First, make sure you wear your Ball Cap with your Wig, Fake Glasses and Big Nose disguise, and then only pay in cash, because the in-store video and credit card data are retrieved all the time by LE. The problem with this approach is that you'll likely be taken to the local yocal's HQ and interrogated for attempted robbery for wearing such an alarming disguise into the store (except if you shop at Walmart. For more information, please Google "People of Walmart" to see some good disguise ideas), or maybe you'll be carted-off to the local nut ward for three days of observation for impersonating BOZO.
Second, as an alternative, you could send one of your so-called trusted friends into the store to buy it for you and, once again, they must use cash only, but, unfortunately, I believe this is a worse option than no. 1 above. When a person chooses to use this option no. 2, and after the proverbial shit hits the fan (and it usually always does), its how LE solves about 80% to 85% of its cases, that is, any time more than one person is involved in anything shaky it usually turns, sooner or later, into something akin to a Mongolian ClusterFuck because the so-called trusted friend inevitably rolls over and cuts a deal to save his / her own ass -- and then refers to you as a dumb fuck for coming up with the idea in the first place. So don't be a dumb fuck! In a really serious situation, never think your so-called trusted friend will remain a trusted friend when he's faced with a choice of either going away for awhile to the big house or giving you up in a heartbeat.
The third and best option, IMHO, is just old-fashioned planning ahead. Purchase all your needed merchandise about 8-12 months in advance of actually needing to use any of it and, as always, only pay for it in cash. By the time you start using your merchandise for whatever purpose you intend to use it, the in-store videos are typically long gone and, since you only used cash, there is no record of you EVER being there -- UNLESS, of course, you're so fucking horny and out-of-control that you actually cause a scene by humping the obese cashier's leg or pulling some other stupid, attention-getting stunt like PeeWee Herman did when he was caught choking his chicken in public.
So much to think (and worry) about, so little time. . . --SA007.[/QUOTE]It's all a matter of ROI and chasing down where a piece of hardware was bought and who bought it is not cost effective for a misdemeanor bust (BTW you won't find your MAC on the store receipt since stores don't track MACs, they track serial numbers and what are the odds of getting a company in the PRC to send you the MAC for a specific serial number in a timely fashion).
So purchase from a flea market, or off eBay or Alibaba if you're worried about being on film, order directly from the PRC and get a few burners because hey let's face it if you're going to be in the hobby and can't afford the cost you really shouldn't be playing.
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[QUOTE=Admin2;2041129]I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.[/QUOTE]Because spoofing does leave traces in the registry, local log files and in erased files on the hard drive which is something that LE can find fairly easily.
And yes the burner nic is listed in the registry even after you get rid of it unless you right click on the device and uninstall it first.
If you don't, well it can still be done other ways it just takes a little more work.
This is an old TID but it still applies to WinXP, Vista, 7, 2k3 server, 2k8 server and 2k12 server:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241257
[QUOTE=SecretAgent007;2041000]YES, but IMHO, it's easier to Fake, technically called SPOOF or SPOOFING, a MAC address for a computer than it is for a cellular / mobile phone, HOWEVER, even with MAC address based access controls in place, technically called MAC Filtering, a system can still be hacked, and relatively easily too by pro Hackers. Then, after they gain access to a particular network, the Hackers are able to SPOOF MAC addresses for all kinds of devices including laptops, cell phones, etc., which can result in doing some real damage. When MAC SPOOFING occurs, it pushes the responsibility for any illegal activity onto authentic network users. Consequently, the real offenders quite typically go undetected by LE, which really sucks because the system owner and authorized users are almost always the last to find out -- and they usually find out when the Feds come knocking at the door. --SA007.[/QUOTE]Maybe we should set one up.
A hacker does not plan on getting caught with their physical PC or laptop, they intend to use a compromised PC or network (s) for their purposes on any given day.
All of which is beyond the technical capability of 95+% of the guys on USAG.
But hey let's just throw some ideas out for fun since we're playing with low ROI scenarios..
I take my laptop, install VMWare on it and create a Virtual Machine. Then I change the MAC address of the virtual network card (we refer to it as a vnic) to any MAC address I want as long as I have a valid first 6 characters. You would want to use something other than a Microsoft or VMWare MAC because you wouldn't want to give away that you were working on a virtual, so you could appear to be a iPhone, Surface tablet, or just about anything (BTW you can grab the MAC off the outside of a box on the store shelf without ever actually buying the hardware). Now I take a router with DD-WRT on it, put it into bridge mode AND tell it to clone my MAC while I config it from within the VM and then I put it in my laptop bag with a 12 v battery all so that I can go down to some place with an open or easy to access WiFi, jump on that to book an appointment and post on USAG. After that I delete the VM, and because I am truly paranoid I created the VM on a MicroSD card which I then set fire to or even better shoot with a .22 .
Ok, so let's look at what I've done for all that effort..
I've spent quite a bit of time creating the false trail so that I could book an appointment and post on USAG.
AND I've taken what would be at most a misdemeanor and possibly turned it into a felony by violating the Patriot Act in the process (using that non-public easy to access wifi at the local hotel which you happen to have the key / password to).
Just like disaster recovery / business continuity planning it's all a matter of probable scenarios, ROI and a CBA.
[QUOTE=WarlockKy;2041770]And a good network security guy actually bills out at closer to $300/ hr.
Chasing MAC addresses etc for a client is a low return for dollars spent kind of investigation that you're more likely to find a PI or media outlet doing. Usually this kind of thing is only worthwhile if you become a target due to something outside the hobby (say money laundering, bribery, extortion).
However, chasing an agency or trafficker that crosses state lines allows the use of Federal money and is the kind of worthwhile target that generates press for multiple LE departments and politicians, not to mention being able to apply for higher LEA grants the following year.
It's a all a matter of ROI just like business.[/QUOTE]I'm in TOTAL AGREEMENT! While this has been FUN, it's an Academic Exercise in Futility, IMHO, because IT HAS LESS THAN A ONE-TENTH OF ONE PERCENT CHANCE of ever happening with regard to any investigation involving "Pussy For Sale". For other, more serious, issues involving capital crimes, terror, financial scams, etc., etc., etc., then YES, IT IS DONE ALL THE TIME, but NOT for "Pussy For Sale" -- there would be too many of their "own" getting snared -- LOL! --SA007.
YES, that's my opinion -- the PROBLEM with the INFO is the Substantial LACK of Material INFO.
I've read and re-read all the Posts, not just Dman's but also everything that everyone has had to say over the past several days on this specific topic, and while the information is good to have, without more, it's nearly impossible to discern what was actually occurring at that time. Who knows, maybe it will all come to light at some point in the future? However, an analysis of the info, that is, the few sketchy details that we have been given to date, when compared to known LE policies and operating procedures (all of which can be easily and lawfully obtained by making simple public records requests), leads me to believe and conclude that it was TWO ASSHOLES FAKING that they were LEOs.
The fact of the matter is that police, security, fire, and military BADGES are a dime a dozen, both real and costume, that is, badges used for theatre, film, and TV purposes (and costume badges are usually exact duplicates of the genuine badges but made extremely cheap because they don't have to last for years). While eBay, for example, has a policy of NOT allowing LE equipment and uniforms, including badges, to be sold on its website, their policy "ONLY" pertains to current-issue items. So hypothetically, if Florence PD bought new badges in 2013, or whenever, their old badges would be allowed to be sold on eBay (although, to be clear, the way it usually works is that the badges would be sold to a qualified dealer or someone authorized to act in that capacity (it's usually a highest bidder kind of sale) and then the dealer or some other entity down the supply chain would eventually end up with the badges, and then they would put them up for sale on eBay, as well as on a couple of other websites, and then probably also sell some of them at Police collector shows, in Police collector magazines and newsletters, etc). It's typically LEOs or retired LEOs who are in that kind of resale business.
Getting back to my questions concerning this BS incident, was there a request / demand made to see the alleged LE's Department-issued Identification Cards (which is a proper, normal request that legit LEOs have no problem complying with)? Possessing a BADGE alone PROVES NOTHING, it MUST BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEPARTMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD (and you are allowed to request and examine it). Did they have weapons / firearms? How were they dressed; what were they wearing? How did they park their alleged police vehicle? Did you see any police lights? How did they approach you after they exited their alleged police vehicle? How and where did they stand as they questioned you? Did they have police radios? Did you hear any police radio traffic, aka police calls? Did they ever talk on the police radios? What kind of alleged police vehicle were they driving AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, what type of license plates were on their alleged police vehicle? Did they examine your Identification, presumably a Driver's License, and call or radio your YOUR INFO into the police dispatcher for a "Wants & Warrants" inquiry, which is indisputably SOP? Did they fill-out a field contact card, in other words, did they write down any information from your Driver's License onto a notepad or onto any other type of paper (which they would use to make / write a report once they returned to their HQ)?
My best guess is that NOTHING HAPPENED except TWO YAHOOS with FAKE BADGES tried to shake you down and / or *scare the crap out of you and, of course, it worked, so your brain froze like an iceberg and you did nothing else but try to lamely appear to cooperate in order to get the hell away from there as fast as you could -- induced by fearing you might be on your way to jail -- all of which is a natural, survival reaction / instinct. (*Why would they try to scare the crap out of you? Probably to run you (and many others) off and / or to run Remmy off (and it worked). ALSO, SEE my comments below about the owner / operator of that motel establishment).
The first thing I would have done, however, is to demand to see their Police Identification Cards because I would NOT have heard any police radios, which would have made me become immediately suspicious that they were FAKE. In situations like you have described, police dispatchers are extremely busy with constantly checking-up on the LEOs every 30 seconds or so in the very beginning of the event, and also sending additional back-up units to respond immediately to assist bona-fide LEOs. So their police radios should have been abuzz with radio traffic, aka calls (noise).
In addition, those types of situations are regarded as very high-risk "officer safety" situations and there would have been, at an absolute minimum, another 3 or more, probably at least 5 additional, LEOs on the scene within seconds, and at least 2-3, or possibly all of them, would have been wearing FLAK jackets and carrying / displaying high-powered weapons (fearing that you could be involved in some type of trafficking and possibly willing to shoot it out with them). What I'm saying is that the low or minimum show of LEO force that has been described does NOT equal the potential level of danger that LE has been trained to anticipate. NOTHING, and I mean absolutely NOTHING, in any of the information about this incident (and I'm NOT going to dissect nor explain every other issue that I believe there is) that I have read, is the way LE is trained to operate -- and Florence PD is a fairly up-to-date agency, so none of it makes any sense to me -- and that's why I believe they were FAKES.
Furthermore, after I had requested to see their Identification Cards, which they likely didn't have and couldn't produce, I would have excused myself and started walking away while dialing (or at least acting like I was dialing) "911" from my cell phone -- and telling the alleged LEOs that I was calling the police. I guarantee you, at least into the high 90th percentile I'm guaranteeing you, those two fellas would have jumped into their vehicle and sped away (and I would have obtained their plate number, if possible, and given it to the police -- cops hate impersonators). Oh, so now you're thinking. . .how am I going to explain my presence at that location to the police when they arrive? In the first place, you don't have to be there when the police arrive -- simply leave as soon as you can (you likely would have about two minutes to get out of there). Or, in the second place, if you decided to stay until the police showed up, it's not a problem to explain -- you were looking for a place to go to the bathroom, or you were looking for an inexpensive place to have some family / friends stay during their planned visit this upcoming summer, or you were turning your car around, or whatever you want to say, when you were suddenly confronted and almost robbed by two guys with FAKE badges -- or you really didn't have to call the police at all if you weren't looking to get nominated for your first "Academy Award". By walking away, you would have known immediately whether the two PRESUMED FAKES were real because if they were real, they would have taken prompt action to grab you by the arm to escort you back to their vehicle for further questioning -- but my best guess is those TWO FAKES would have quickly left you alone.
As a side comment, another thing I would have done, at the very least, is to call the Florence PD "anonymously" on a non-emergency line (which are usually, FYI, still a recorded line but do not always give the required audible beeping tone every 15 seconds) sometime later that same day and explained to them what had happened to me, again using the same kind of explanations given above for my being at that location, if asked, and then found out if they had any LEOs, or knowledge of other area LEOs, making that kind of stop at that time. And their answer would have very likely (90% - 95%, IMHO) been that they don't know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Dman1;2037184]REMMY LOCATION (03-18-14): Had a scary issue last week, let's say a friend did. After a regular visit at her location he was stopped by 2 men saying they were LE and what his business was at location.
Visiting a friend was his answer. We know what you were doing and with who... 2nd visit in a week too. Where do you get that kind of cash? He replyed I a just hang out with a friend of mine who lives there... They went on to explain what goes on there, how many guys are in and out, others have come clean and informed on her and have names, plates and video of them coming and going...Oh and I see you are currently married? Does your wife know where you hang out?? WTF scared the complete sh!!t out of him or us. We often share names and numbers so we both are on a hiatus from meeting anyone.
Remmy is a sweetheart and I hope she moves to avoid any issues but be careful as they are watching that area close and another provider across the street also. We are both unaware of the other girl?
Just felt we should caution everyone, that was too close of a call.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dman1;2039217]STOPPED ISSUE (03-20-14): Wow I see from all the uproar this board has changed from informational to just smoke and mirrors. I just felt obligated to let everyone know what was going on to avoid getting caught up in it.
We both have seen Remmy on numerous times and she is a sweet awesome girl. In no way was meant to reflect on her at all. In fact he txt her to warn her to get out of there right after it happened. For those in denial of LE's activities and tactics I hope you never experience it. I had a cop knock on my door at home last year asking why I was staying at a local hotel so much. Yea the replys I got were "yea right they would never do that" until others had the same thing happen to them.
I have my sources and I asked one what's going on in those area hotels he got stopped by. I was told that a drug arrest from a traffic stop led them to that hotel and the person as someone he had sold to. They go to the hotel owner and say look we know people in your hotel are dealing drugs and prostitution and if you help us we won't pull your occupational license or send you back where you came from. Most fold and give them the info they want not wanting them on there bad side. Legal?? I'm sure not but it is happening in NKY and I was told with the laws and politicians grandstanding on "human Trafficking" it is going to get very hot this summer. They feel like a sting with questionable legality's is ok if they don't get convicted they are outed to family, job, and anyone reading paper.
So in a rap up. We are just warning everyone what was going on. And I would hope you guys would do the same for all of us out here. Non of us want to see our mug on the 6 oclock news kinda a life changer don't you think.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dman1;2041649]UPDATE (03-23-14): Just wanted to update everyone on an interesting development in the incident I had reported about Eccono hotel nky. I found out this weekend the managers of the hotel were ousted by corporate and the workers there were questioned by them as to what's been going on there in reference to drugs and prostitution and if they knew of anyone there that may be involved. My source said 2 other employees were asked to leave and 3 other long term residents.[/QUOTE]The owner / operator (a married, dark skin foreigner) of that motel establishment, who I thought was the owner (but I could be mistaken, maybe he is / was just the general manager), is a total fucking dirt bag, IMHO. It's the primary reason I would NEVER visit that location. He was NOT and is NOT to be trusted. For one thing, that asshole has, or at least he had, more cameras on that property than Fort Knox, and every single visit was being recorded. Besides that, he knew exactly what was going on at that establishment, and he also regularly visits this USA and similar websites, so I'm NOT sure why he needed all those cameras except for in and around the front office (unless he was planning to use his recordings inappropriately). It would NOT surprise me to learn that he was the instigator, or at least played a big part in, the FAKE LEO scam. For what reason? There could be many reasons. Maybe he got the word that he was going to be replaced if he didn't clean the place up so he had a couple of Hillbilly Boy Thugs try to impersonate LEO? Maybe he was also pissed off because Remmy, or any of the other girls using the place, would NOT give it up to him for FREE? I do know he was definitely seeing some local providers and that several of them complained that he was a very rough, nasty, sick bastard, and they refused to see him again. ABSOLUTELY NOT is my answer; Remmy never told me any of this information and I have never discussed any of this information with Remmy. Even though I can only imagine that it's been a huge disruption and major inconvenience for her, I'm glad Remmy was forced to leave that location before something really bad and very serious eventually happened.
* * * I have a RECOMMENDATION for anyone interested in doing some reading and learning some important information -- do a GOOGLE search for a FREE PDF eBOOK called: "Arrest-Proof Yourself PDF" without the quotation marks, and download and read it. It's a 289-page eBook and a little less than 4.0 mb in file size. You can also buy a hard copy of the book at Amazon (authors: Dale Carson and Wes Denham) or wherever you wish. I think the book is well written in plain English and is a very good primer for everyone -- it should be required reading, IMHO. And if you are worried about leaving any "tracks" on the Internet -- try using: StartPage / dot / com instead of using Google (the most intrusive and not-to-be-trusted company in the universe, IMHO). I used to use SCROOGLE but GOOGLE more or less ran them out of business a few years ago. Alternatively, if you have trouble downloading the PDF, you may PM me with your MONGER e-MAIL ADDRESS and I will send you a copy of the eBOOK (as long as I don't get hundreds of requests all at once because I'm already short on spare time) * * *.
--SA007.
Someone has WAY too much time on his hands.
[QUOTE=SecretAgent007;2041958]YES, that's my opinion -- the PROBLEM with the INFO is the Substantial LACK of Material INFO.
I've read and re-read all the Posts, not just Dman's but also everything that everyone has had to say over the past several days on this specific topic, and while the information is good to have, without more, it's nearly impossible to discern what was actually occurring at that time. Who knows, maybe it will all come to light at some point in the future? However, an analysis of the info, that is, the few sketchy details that we have been given to date, when compared to known LE policies and operating procedures (all of which can be easily and lawfully obtained by making simple public records requests), leads me to believe and conclude that it was TWO ASSHOLES FAKING that they were LEOs.
The fact of the matter is that police, security, fire, and military BADGES are a dime a dozen, both real and costume, that is, badges used for theatre, film, and TV purposes (and costume badges are usually exact duplicates of the genuine badges but made extremely cheap because they don't have to last for years). While eBay, for example, has a policy of NOT allowing LE equipment and uniforms, including badges, to be sold on its website, their policy "ONLY" pertains to current-issue items. So hypothetically, if Florence PD bought new badges in 2013, or whenever, their old badges would be allowed to be sold on eBay (although, to be clear, the way it usually works is that the badges would be sold to a qualified dealer or someone authorized to act in that capacity (it's usually a highest bidder kind of sale) and then the dealer or some other entity down the supply chain would eventually end up with the badges, and then they would put them up for sale on eBay, as well as on a couple of other websites, and then probably also sell some of them at Police collector shows, in Police collector magazines and newsletters, etc). It's typically LEOs or retired LEOs who are in that kind of resale business.
Getting back to my questions concerning this BS incident, was there a request / demand made to see the alleged LE's Department-issued Identification Cards (which is a proper, normal request that legit LEOs have no problem complying with)? Possessing a BADGE alone PROVES NOTHING, it MUST BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEPARTMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD (and you are allowed to request and examine it). Did they have weapons / firearms? How were they dressed; what were they wearing? How did they park their alleged police vehicle? Did you see any police lights? How did they approach you after they exited their alleged police vehicle? How and where did they stand as they questioned you? Did they have police radios? Did you hear any police radio traffic, aka police calls? Did they ever talk on the police radios? What kind of alleged police vehicle were they driving AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, what type of license plates were on their alleged police vehicle? Did they examine your Identification, presumably a Driver's License, and call or radio your YOUR INFO into the police dispatcher for a "Wants & Warrants" inquiry, which is indisputably SOP? Did they fill-out a field contact card, in other words, did they write down any information from your Driver's License onto a notepad or onto any other type of paper (which they would use to make / write a report once they returned to their HQ)?
My best guess is that NOTHING HAPPENED except TWO YAHOOS with FAKE BADGES tried to shake you down and / or *scare the crap out of you and, of course, it worked, so your brain froze like an iceberg and you did nothing else but try to lamely appear to cooperate in order to get the hell away from there as fast as you could -- induced by fearing you might be on your way to jail -- all of which is a natural, survival reaction / instinct. (*Why would they try to scare the crap out of you? Probably to run you (and many others) off and / or to run Remmy off (and it worked). ALSO, SEE my comments below about the owner / operator of that motel establishment).
The first thing I would have done, however, is to demand to see their Police Identification Cards because I would NOT have heard any police radios, which would have made me become immediately suspicious that they were FAKE. In situations like you have described, police dispatchers are extremely busy with constantly checking-up on the LEOs every 30 seconds or so in the very beginning of the event, and also sending additional back-up units to respond immediately to assist bona-fide LEOs. So their police radios should have been abuzz with radio traffic, aka calls (noise).
In addition, those types of situations are regarded as very high-risk "officer safety" situations and there would have been, at an absolute minimum, another 3 or more, probably at least 5 additional, LEOs on the scene within seconds, and at least 2-3, or possibly all of them, would have been wearing FLAK jackets and carrying / displaying high-powered weapons (fearing that you could be involved in some type of trafficking and possibly willing to shoot it out with them). What I'm saying is that the low or minimum show of LEO force that has been described does NOT equal the potential level of danger that LE has been trained to anticipate. NOTHING, and I mean absolutely NOTHING, in any of the information about this incident (and I'm NOT going to dissect nor explain every other issue that I believe there is) that I have read, is the way LE is trained to operate -- and Florence PD is a fairly up-to-date agency, so none of it makes any sense to me -- and that's why I believe they were FAKES.
Furthermore, after I had requested to see their Identification Cards, which they likely didn't have and couldn't produce, I would have excused myself and started walking away while dialing (or at least acting like I was dialing) "911" from my cell phone -- and telling the alleged LEOs that I was calling the police. I guarantee you, at least into the high 90th percentile I'm guaranteeing you, those two fellas would have jumped into their vehicle and sped away (and I would have obtained their plate number, if possible, and given it to the police -- cops hate impersonators). Oh, so now you're thinking. . .how am I going to explain my presence at that location to the police when they arrive? In the first place, you don't have to be there when the police arrive -- simply leave as soon as you can (you likely would have about two minutes to get out of there). Or, in the second place, if you decided to stay until the police showed up, it's not a problem to explain -- you were looking for a place to go to the bathroom, or you were looking for an inexpensive place to have some family / friends stay during their planned visit this upcoming summer, or you were turning your car around, or whatever you want to say, when you were suddenly confronted and almost robbed by two guys with FAKE badges -- or you really didn't have to call the police at all if you weren't looking to get nominated for your first "Academy Award". By walking away, you would have known immediately whether the two PRESUMED FAKES were real because if they were real, they would have taken prompt action to grab you by the arm to escort you back to their vehicle for further questioning -- but my best guess is those TWO FAKES would have quickly left you alone.
As a side comment, another thing I would have done, at the very least, is to call the Florence PD "anonymously" on a non-emergency line (which are usually, FYI, still a recorded line but do not always give the required audible beeping tone every 15 seconds) sometime later that same day and explained to them what had happened to me, again using the same kind of explanations given above for my being at that location, if asked, and then found out if they had any LEOs, or knowledge of other area LEOs, making that kind of stop at that time. And their answer would have very likely (90% - 95%, IMHO) been that they don't know what you're talking about.
The owner / operator (a married, dark skin foreigner) of that motel establishment, who I thought was the owner (but I could be mistaken, maybe he is / was just the general manager), is a total fucking dirt bag, IMHO. It's the primary reason I would NEVER visit that location. He was NOT and is NOT to be trusted. For one thing, that asshole has, or at least he had, more cameras on that property than Fort Knox, and every single visit was being recorded. Besides that, he knew exactly what was going on at that establishment, and he also regularly visits this USA and similar websites, so I'm NOT sure why he needed all those cameras except for in and around the front office (unless he was planning to use his recordings inappropriately). It would NOT surprise me to learn that he was the instigator, or at least played a big part in, the FAKE LEO scam. For what reason? There could be many reasons. Maybe he got the word that he was going to be replaced if he didn't clean the place up so he had a couple of Hillbilly Boy Thugs try to impersonate LEO? Maybe he was also pissed off because Remmy, or any of the other girls using the place, would NOT give it up to him for FREE? I do know he was definitely seeing some local providers and that several of them complained that he was a very rough, nasty, sick bastard, and they refused to see him again. ABSOLUTELY NOT is my answer; Remmy never told me any of this information and I have never discussed any of this information with Remmy. Even though I can only imagine that it's been a huge disruption and major inconvenience for her, I'm glad Remmy was forced to leave that location before something really bad and very serious eventually happened.
* * * I have a RECOMMENDATION for anyone interested in doing some reading and learning some important information -- do a GOOGLE search for a FREE PDF eBOOK called: "Arrest-Proof Yourself PDF" without the quotation marks, and download and read it. It's a 289-page eBook and a little less than 4.0 mb in file size. You can also buy a hard copy of the book at Amazon (authors: Dale Carson and Wes Denham) or wherever you wish. I think the book is well written in plain English and is a very good primer for everyone -- it should be required reading, IMHO. And if you are worried about leaving any "tracks" on the Internet -- try using: StartPage / dot / com instead of using Google (the most intrusive and not-to-be-trusted company in the universe, IMHO). I used to use SCROOGLE but GOOGLE more or less ran them out of business a few years ago. Alternatively, if you have trouble downloading the PDF, you may PM me with your MONGER e-MAIL ADDRESS and I will send you a copy of the eBOOK (as long as I don't get hundreds of requests all at once because I'm already short on spare time) * * *.
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[QUOTE=Admin2;2041129]I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.[/QUOTE]A2, you just exchanged posts with Warlock. I've got to warn you, as a result of that, Warlock has cracked your security, is worming around inside your house and has made friends with your dog.
[QUOTE=Golfcart;2042230]A2, you just exchanged posts with Warlock. I've got to warn you, as a result of that, Warlock has cracked your security, is worming around inside your house and has made friends with your dog.[/QUOTE]What? You mean Warlock is [I]still[/I] into dogs. You'd think by this time he'd have moved on.
LOL.
Dz.
[QUOTE=Dweezil;2042248]What? You mean Warlock is [I]still[/I] into dogs. You'd think by this time he'd have moved on.
LOL.
Dz.[/QUOTE]I've got control of his dog through my custom canine brain control interface and have turned the dog into a four legged webcam..
Poor dog has now seen things he just can't get out of his head and BTW A2 you really need to put something other than water in his water bowl because he's going to have really strange dreams...
ROFLMAO.