Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5797061]Joe Biden.

Kamala Harris.

Nancy Pelosi.

Now doesn't that give you a feeling our country is in competent hands?[/QUOTE]Well, this ought to give you great comfort that our country was in competent hands under Trump, NOT! Trump's own National Security Advisor, H. R. McMaster, called him a dolt and his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called him a "moron". Trump's Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Trump had the understanding of a fifth- or sixth-grader. Trump's, White House chief of staff John Kelly called Trump an idiot and said he thought the president was unhinged.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5801215]Thank you. I was napping, in a sense, if you count anesthesia for some surgery to fix an old sports injury.

Rant on as you will, but the lessening of mask mandates currently happening around the country are the result of a sufficient percentage of the population being vaccinated. The areas that have not been able to forego their mask mandates are those with the lowest vaccination rates.

Perhaps it is the word "vaccine" that gets your panties into such a bunch. That is understandable; the shot is not a pure vaccine like the Sabin vaccine, but more of a deterrent, like the flu shot. Flu, which killed millions during World War I is still with us and changes form every year or so. We (well some of us) get flu shots annually to lessen the effects of the disease. Enough do so that the effect on everyone is lessened. Is that being superior or condescending? If you think so. But it is not out of the question that your health is due to the actions of others. You might consider being a bit more appreciative.

The same goes with the COVID "vaccination. " As time progresses and more people get the shot, the effects of the disease have been lessening. Fewer people are being hospitalized. Far fewer are dying. Like the flu, COVID may never actually go away. It may require a modified shot annually to help protect against the changing form of the disease, or it may not. It is too early to tell.

In the long term, there will still be too groups. I still know which group I will be in. I am comfortable with my choice and the consequences I will suffer if I am wrong. I hope you are too. I wish you good health.[/QUOTE]This post should be a sticky.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5801429]Veritas has been caught editing and outright lying. They're no better than CBS news, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]To be fair, the FDA employee does make a rather weak claim of sorts saying the clips were edited, but never denies saying what is on the tapes, just that he did not know he was being recorded, and that they were taken out of context.

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/fda-executive-officer-says-us-government-plans-to-push-annual-covid-19-shots_4282659.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/fda-executive-who-said-government-plans-to-push-annual-covid-19-shots-speaks-out_4296941.html[/URL]

I think the most damning statements I quoted below stand on their own, and have been well known by anyone who cared to know for years now anyway, so it's really no shocker except to hear it coming directly out of the mouth of an FDA employee working on the EUA Covid vaccine approvals. Is the conflict of interest there really that hard for you to grasp, or are you just in denial? I quickly googled FDA funding and was shocked to find this was the first link that popped up and was not censored:

[URL]https://today.uconn.edu/2021/05/why-is-the-fda-funded-in-part-by-the-companies-it-regulates-2/[/URL]#text=The%20 Food%20 and%20 Drug%20 Administration%20 has%20 moved%20 from%20 an%20 entirely, a%20 medical%20 device%20 or%20 drug.

That shows 45% of their funding comes from big pharma. And that's not even accounting for the bribes and careers these guys are being offered by the pharma companies for working with them on these products. Your health is not at the top of their list.

Before I get into your post, I'd like to ask you this again: Are you going to be a big enough person to admit you were wrong about the vaccines preventing transmission, and apologize, or is that too much to ask?

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5801215]Thank you. I was napping, in a sense, if you count anesthesia for some surgery to fix an old sports injury.

Rant on as you will, but the lessening of mask mandates currently happening around the country are the result of a sufficient percentage of the population being vaccinated. The areas that have not been able to forego their mask mandates are those with the lowest vaccination rates.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, that would seem to be in contradiction with this study, that shows that highly vaccinated countries experience greater Covid case rates, and also the same trend for highly vaccinated counties in the US:

[URL]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7[/URL]

Once again, you're just blowing smoke without any real data to back it up, just because you want it to be true. I'll repeat what I told you before, just stating something as a fact doesn't make it so. That's the same position you took on the vaccines preventing transmission, with absolutely no data to back it up. You only pointed to "credible sources" who stated that, with no supporting evidence. I gave you data to back up my assertion that the vaccines did not prevent transmission, and you said I wore a tin foil hat. I'll ask you again here, do you have any hard data, to back up your claims, or are you just repeating bullshit talking points?

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5801215]More disinformation with no supporting evidence... You might consider being a bit more appreciative. [/QUOTE]No, I'm not appreciative of the condescencion once again, because I don't believe you did a damn thing for me. If I wanted to be really cynical, I could say you did it for yourself because you were frightened to death, and you want to frigthen everyone else into doing the same because you're scared to death you might catch something. But instead of just admitting this, you try to paint yourself in some heroic light. Now, while I do think that's true of many people, I hope / don't think it's true in your case. I just think you're misinformed. In fact, I happen to believe you made the situation worse (look up ADE), so I'll look down my nose at you the same way you do at me, if you insist. You should thank me for not being selfish and being such a chicken shit and considering only my own welfare, and making the situation worse through ADE. See, I can play that game too.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5801215]In the long term, there will still be too groups. I still know which group I will be in. I am comfortable with my choice and the consequences I will suffer if I am wrong. I hope you are too. I wish you good health.[/QUOTE]I truly wish you good health too, and I truly believe you will need those wishes much more than me.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5799654]Bullett,

your condescending, pious, and sanctimonious lecturing about how much better of a person you [/QUOTE]You forgot self serving virtue signalling kunt. Bullet's 80 and scared. I get that. But the way he deals with his fear is what makes him a condescending, pious, and sanctimonious virtue signalling kunt. Maybe it made sense for a 80 year old man w / comorbidities to get the experimental clotshot, maybe it didn't. But it's all about Bullet and he expects everyone young healthy or whatever to be a lab rat and get clot shot whether they want it or not because Bullet thinks it would save him. Bullet has a pension check deposited in his account so it makes sense for a fearful 80 year old man to lockdown. But Bullet wanted everyone to lock down. He didn't give a fuck if you lost your business, your job, starting shooting dope, drinking and beating your wife and kids. It's all about Bullet. He talks about being a labrat for the betterment of society but he means for the betterment of Bullet, I. E, a virtue signalling kunt. If he'd have been honest from the start and said I'm 80 and scared to death, I'd respect that and did what I could to help him. I'd respect his honesty. But after two years of him not only being wrong but also a condescending, pious, and sanctimonious virtue signalling kunt, I have none

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5801891]This post should be a sticky.[/QUOTE]Sticky for the fools full of fear who prefer to be lied to by corporate media, fed gov and others instead of informing and thinking for themselves.

You're scared. It's OK.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5803047]Sticky for the fools full of fear who prefer to be lied to by corporate media, fed gov and others instead of informing and thinking for themselves.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5803047]Sticky for the fools full of fear who prefer to be lied to by corporate media, fed gov and others instead of informing and thinking for themselves.[/QUOTE]You don't give Bullett64 nearly enough credit.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5803043]You forgot self serving virtue signalling kunt. [/QUOTE]I can certainly see how [B]anyone [/B]with a minuscule amount of "[I]virtue[/I]" would infuriate a ridiculous self-absorbed twat like you. I can't find a thing you've been right about yet. But keep me laughing. I like that part. I think you may be coming unglued, like your daddy Putin. Too much time in the bunker.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5803180]I can certainly see how [B]anyone [/B]with a minuscule amount of "[I]virtue[/I]" would infuriate a ridiculous self-absorbed twat like you. I can't find a thing you've been right about yet. But keep me laughing. I like that part. I think you may be coming unglued, like your daddy Putin. Too much time in the bunker.[/QUOTE]You are a master of confession via projection. How does that make you feel? I'm hurt, Roger. One would think that after my cutting edge Clotshot: The Aftermath series, providing hard to find data and in your face facts you would be of a different mindset. I have 3 more lined up, checking the data, or better said the source of the data on one cause it's a whopper. An in vitro clotshot induced precursor to a possible/likely cytokine storm.In short, it's not just your ballsack you need to be checking daily if you've had 1,2 or 3 clotshots. When I can find the time I'll post. Hope you'll enjoy.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5803309]You are a master of confession via projection. How does that make you feel? I'm hurt, Roger. One would think that after my cutting edge Clotshot: The Aftermath series, providing hard to find data and in your face facts you would be of a different mindset. I have 3 more lined up, checking the data, or better said the source of the data on one cause it's a whopper. An in vitro clotshot induced precursor to a possible/likely cytokine storm.In short, it's not just your ballsack you need to be checking daily if you've had 1,2 or 3 clotshots. When I can find the time I'll post. Hope you'll enjoy.[/QUOTE]Sure thing doctor dipshit. Can't wait for the entertainment.

[QUOTE=Gatsby32;5803071]You're scared. It's OK.[/QUOTE]What am I scared of fatman?

[QUOTE=Gatsby32;5803071]You're scared. It's OK.[/QUOTE]Wow, 6 out of your 11 posts in your "extensive" posting history are all about bashing senior members? Not exactly a stellar way to start out. Remind me to take a healthy dump in your honor.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5802046]
[URL]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7[/URL].[/QUOTE]You don't even read your own sources past the headlines. If you bothered to read the article and the three responses that follow it, you would have noted that the methodology used and conclusions drawn by its authors fared very poorly in peer review.

You are a waste of my, and everyone's, time.

Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5803180]I can certainly see how [B]anyone [/B]with a minuscule amount of "[I]virtue[/I]" would infuriate a ridiculous self-absorbed twat like you. I can't find a thing you've been right about yet. But keep me laughing. I like that part. I think you may be coming unglued, like your daddy Putin. Too much time in the bunker.[/QUOTE]Just shut up and go away. You are boring and full of "Monda Bok".

[QUOTE=Gatsby32;5803071]You're scared. It's OK.[/QUOTE]Go shit in your Flat Hat.

[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803726]Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Unfortunately, you have shown a single page, out of context. There is no way to link this to Pfizer trials in any meaningful sense. Are you saying that 1200 people dies While the trials were ongoing, or are you implying that thr trials Caused the 122 deaths?

We would all love to know. Please provide a link to the full report. I said please.

[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803726]Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.[/QUOTE]

That data doesn't say what you think it does. There's no relationship between the vaccine and the fatality number. The chart you attached simply shows that 1223 people who received a vaccine dose later died. The causes of death were not verified, it might have been the vaccine, it might have been something completely unrelated.

From the link below:

Reviews by FDA and CDC have determined that the vast majority of the deaths reported are not directly attributable to the vaccines, she said, adding that reports of deaths after Covid-19 vaccination are rare.

Clinical research indicates no link between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and fatalities.

A multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded trial reported in the New England Journal of Medicine on December 31, 2020 showed no fatalities among vaccine or placebo recipients and stated: The safety profile of (the shot) was characterized by short-term, mild-to-moderate pain at the injection site, fatigue, and headache. The incidence of serious adverse events was low and was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups.

A follow-up study of the vaccine's first six months of usage published on November 4, 2021 in the same medical journal showed similar results on its safety and efficacy.

The researchers found 15 fatalities among those receiving the vaccine and 14 in the placebo group. A later update found three deaths were reported among vaccine recipients and two in the placebo group.

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https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9UC4LE

https://fullfact.org/health/pfizer-vaccine-adverse-events/

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5803852]Interesting. Unfortunately, you have shown a single page, out of context. There is no way to link this to Pfizer trials in any meaningful sense. Are you saying that 1200 people dies While the trials were ongoing, or are you implying that thr trials Caused the 122 deaths?

We would all love to know. Please provide a link to the full report. I said please.[/QUOTE]That single page came from the release of information that was forced upon Pfizer they wanted to keep this information secret for 75 years. It will take time to read through it all but Pfizer is guilty of mass murder.

[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803934]That single page came from the release of information that was forced upon Pfizer they wanted to keep this information secret for 75 years. It will take time to read through it all but Pfizer is guilty of mass murder.[/QUOTE]How about the teeny little FACT that 325,000,000+ (three hundred and twenty five million plus) doses of the Pfizer shot have been administered (me three times) with very little problems. So, yeah, it's safe. And suggesting it isn't is deceptive and stupid.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5803551]You don't even read your own sources past the headlines. If you bothered to read the article and the three responses that follow it, you would have noted that the methodology used and conclusions drawn by its authors fared very poorly in peer review.[/QUOTE]Oh I read the article, and most importantly, I actually looked at the data for myself, something you're incapable of doing. You have to have someone else interpret it for you, just like the responses you take as gospel in this case, instead of the data that staring you in the face. If you had bothered to do YOUR research, you would have seen the authors' refutation of these attempts at censorship, which of course were to expected from the ilk of those like you.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5803551]You are a waste of my, and everyone's, time.[/QUOTE]And you are a coward. I take back what I said earlier about your motives for getting the vaccine. I now believe it was entirely self-serving and out of cowardice. You've proven yourself a coward, and too small of a person to admit that I've already shown you to be a fool when you stubbornly stuck to your position that the vaccines prevented transmission in the face of all evidence presented to the contrary. Why? Because just like your flimsy "evidence" below, some talking head promoting the narrative told you what to think, and you're too stupid to know any better. Why should anybody listen to you, when you're the one who's been proven to be incapable of any kind of critical thinking? This is evidence of what a gullible fool you are, and even if you are too much of a coward to admit it, I'll continue to remind you:

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg[/URL]

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;5803961]How about the teeny little FACT that 325,000,000+ (three hundred and twenty five million plus) doses of the Pfizer shot have been administered (me three times) with very little problems. So, yeah, it's safe. And suggesting it isn't is deceptive and stupid.[/QUOTE]What's deceptive and stupid is to say "very little problems". The problems are documented in the CDC's VAERS database (among other sources), which shows more fatalaties from the covid vaccines in the first 7 months of rollout than from the last 40 years of all other vaccines combined. World Health Organization adverse events show similar numbers from the covid vaccines within the first year equaling those from all other vaccines over the past decades. These vaccines are nowhere near what have been considered safe by historical standards, and people should be made aware of that, instead of this information being covered up. Information is coming to light, but it will be too late for many thanks to the attempted censorship of people like you.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804068] The problems are documented in the CDC's VAERS database (among other sources), which shows more fatalaties from the covid vaccines in the first 7 months of rollout than from the last 40 years of all other vaccines combined. World Health Organization adverse events show similar numbers from the covid vaccines within the first year equaling those from all other vaccines over the past decades. [/QUOTE]This has been mention to you before and I'll stated it again VAERS database is completely useless since ANYONE can go that site and make a false claim, so tell you what how about you go to legitimate sources to try back up those numbers oh wait there are ain't the vaccine is safe move on.

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;5803961]How about the teeny little FACT that 325,000,000+ (three hundred and twenty five million plus) doses of the Pfizer shot have been administered (me three times) with very little problems. So, yeah, it's safe. And suggesting it isn't is deceptive and stupid.[/QUOTE]Deceptive? Yeah you are correct with over 1200 deaths it is deceptive to say that this vaccine is safe and effective. Vaccine trials in the past have been stopped with his little as five deaths.

[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803726]Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.[/QUOTE]And what does that come out to percentage wise??

The things Biden has done in just his first year.

The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.

The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.

Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.

An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.

Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.

Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.

Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969. When the President took office, over 18 million were receiving unemployment benefits, today only 2 million area also the biggest single year drop in history.

Economic Legislation Passed: Most significant by economic impact of any first-year president.

Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021. Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.

Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.

Judges Confirmed: More judges confirmed to lower federal courts than any president since President Kennedy.

Judges That Reflect Our Nation: More Black women appointed to the USA Court of Appeals than any president even over 8 years in history.

Cabinet: First majority non-white Cabinet in history, with most women in the Cabinet, including first woman Treasury Secretary, first LGBTQ+ and Native American Cabinet officials, and first woman Director of National Intelligence.

Climate Investments: Largest investments ever in the power grid, electric vehicle chargers, and climate resilience.

Clean Water: Largest investment and national, bipartisan plan to get safe and clean drinking water to all Americans.

Cleaner Cars: Strongest vehicle emissions standards ever to save drivers money at the pump and reduce pollution. Wind: First-ever approvals of large-scale offshore wind projects.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804036]Oh I read the article, and most importantly, I actually looked at the data for myself, something you're incapable of doing. You have to have someone else interpret it for you, just like the responses you take as gospel in this case, instead of the data that staring you in the face. If you had bothered to do YOUR research, you would have seen the authors' refutation of these attempts at censorship, which of course were to expected from the ilk of those like you.

And you are a coward. I take back what I said earlier about your motives for getting the vaccine. I now believe it was entirely self-serving and out of cowardice. You've proven yourself a coward, and too small of a person to admit that I've already shown you to be a fool when you stubbornly stuck to your position that the vaccines prevented transmission in the face of all evidence presented to the contrary. Why? Because just like your flimsy "evidence" below, some talking head promoting the narrative told you what to think, and you're too stupid to know any better. Why should anybody listen to you, when you're the one who's been proven to be incapable of any kind of critical thinking? This is evidence of what a gullible fool you are, and even if you are too much of a coward to admit it, I'll continue to remind you:

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg[/URL][/QUOTE]Think of me what you will. Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. But as I said earlier, you are a waste of my time and I will not interact with you further. If you so hate what I have to say, just delete me from the list of people who's posts you receive.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804601]The things Biden has done in just his first year.

The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.

The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.

Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.

An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.

Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.

Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.

Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969. When the President took office, over 18 million were receiving unemployment benefits, today only 2 million area also the biggest single year drop in history.

Economic Legislation Passed: Most significant by economic impact of any first-year president.

Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021. Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.

Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.

Judges Confirmed: More judges confirmed to lower federal courts than any president since President Kennedy.

Judges That Reflect Our Nation: More Black women appointed to the USA Court of Appeals than any president even over 8 years in history.

Cabinet: First majority non-white Cabinet in history, with most women in the Cabinet, including first woman Treasury Secretary, first LGBTQ+ and Native American Cabinet officials, and first woman Director of National Intelligence.

Climate Investments: Largest investments ever in the power grid, electric vehicle chargers, and climate resilience.

Clean Water: Largest investment and national, bipartisan plan to get safe and clean drinking water to all Americans.

Cleaner Cars: Strongest vehicle emissions standards ever to save drivers money at the pump and reduce pollution. Wind: First-ever approvals of large-scale offshore wind projects.[/QUOTE]The jobs data is very nuanced. He came in as we were coming out of isolation. I really can't give him or his policies full credit for the jobs data.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804472]This has been mention to you before and I'll stated it again VAERS database is completely useless since ANYONE can go that site and make a false claim, so tell you what how about you go to legitimate sources to try back up those numbers oh wait there are ain't the vaccine is safe move on.[/QUOTE]This has been told to you before, and I'll state it again, VAERS database has been used for decades and is THE baseline for all vaccines, so it is absolutely valid and a legitimate, which is why it's used by the CDC. It's funny how you cling to the CDC as your authoritative source when it supports your narrative, but shout it down when it doesn't. Comparatively speaking, VAERS reporting has not changed. Besides which, it has been shown that 84% of the VAERS reports for the Covid vaccines were filled out by physicians, so stop with your bullshit coverup. The vaccines are not safe.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804601]The things Biden has done in just his first year.

The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.

The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.

Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.

An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.

Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.

Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. .[/QUOTE]Where should I start picking this apart?

Job creation, unemployment rate, unemployment claims? All of these are tied together, creation of jobs is defined as? People returning to active employment after being shut out because of Covid is NOT job creation, it will reduce the unemployment rate and claims rate. But that's a 100% bullshit claim IMHO.

1. 9 trillion in new debt is what the Covid relief should read.

Getting federal judges confirmed and appointed? That REALLY helps us out doesn't it. NO, it's what Presidents are supposed to do anyway.

Child Poverty? WTH is that? I don't know of any 14 year olds with an apartment, mortgage, car payments or bank account- Bullshit statistic.

Reduced hunger? Jeez if I handed out 4 figure checks to every household in the country I could claim the same thing, folks are going to go buy flat screen TV's, and lobster freaking dinners. DUH!

Judges AGAIN? Bullshit statistic, he was just doing what he is supposed to do.

Cabinet members of color? Who gives a rats ass if they are qualified to do the job they are appointed to, NOT me. Appointed based on skin color, totally a pandering move.

Power grid, electric chargers and climate resilience- If you install an ass load of electric vehicle charging stations (that cost to use them), you automatically invest the power grid. Climate resilience?? WTH is that, nobody has figured out a way to actually control sunlight and the weather. More bullshit fluff.

Clean water-Flint, Michigan. Nuff said.

Cleaner cars- AT who's expense?

Give me a reason to appreciate Joe and I will. So far nothing he has done is overly impressive.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5804603]Think of me what you will. Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. But as I said earlier, you are a waste of my time and I will not interact with you further. If you so hate what I have to say, just delete me from the list of people who's posts you receive.[/QUOTE]The accuracy of what I have to say stands on its own, and has been proven. As has the inaccuracy of what you've had to say. And I'm not name calling, I'm just calling it as I see it. You made similar assertions about me in the past, and the accuracy of my information vs. Yours, and you were the one proven to have egg on your face with your "credible" sources. I gave you mutliple opportunities to big enough to admit, but you are too much of a coward to do so. And you're a hypocrite to boot, as you're the one who started the finger pointing with your holier-than-thou attitude, taking the high road about how morally superior you were, and calling others tin-foil-hat wearers. Fuck off.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804643]This has been told to you before, and I'll state it again, VAERS database has been used for decades and is THE baseline for all vaccines, so it is absolutely valid and a legitimate, which is why it's used by the CDC. It's funny how you cling to the CDC as your authoritative source when it supports your narrative, but shout it down when it doesn't. Comparatively speaking, VAERS reporting has not changed. Besides which, it has been shown that 84% of the VAERS reports for the Covid vaccines were filled out by physicians, so stop with your bullshit coverup. The vaccines are not safe.[/QUOTE]I'll reiterate that nothing epitomizes your approach to data like how you've handled the CDC's data:

1: You dismiss the CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.

2: Your interpretation of VAERS data is "anyone who died =after getting the vaccine was killed by the vaccine". You previously claimed "I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19. " but are now casually applying that same logic you (baselessly) accused the CDC of using.

When asked to delineate between "died WITH vaccination" vs "died OF vaccination" the CDC says the death count is just 3, all of them the Johnson and Johnson one, which has consistently been the one that's raised concerns over blood clots. This isn't even the first or second time that Reuters has had to debunk this, but as is clearly stated:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

The VAERS data is an all-inclusive "ANY death after Covid-19 vaccination" standard. You are interpreting this as meaning 100% of deaths or close to it are from vaccinations, while rejecting the far lower official figures. And fittingly enough, something like 80%+ of those deaths are indeed elderly people who are for obvious reasons more death-prone than the overall population.

The Covid-19 death data is not "anyone who died after contracting Covid-19" but straight from the mouths of doctor pronouncing cause of death, which you are accusing professionals of systematically lying because reasons. Or perhaps you are just rejecting the CDC who compiles the overall numbers. The same CDC for whom you are using VAERS data as a source.

Why you are doing this is pretty obvious. The breakthrough deaths figure contradicts your ideological worldview, so you accuse the CDC of falsely pushing it to serve a political agenda. The VAERS deaths figure as 'interpreted' by you aligns with your ideological worldview, so you assume it to be 100% valid and have no ulterior motive despite coming from the same source, who by your own logic should have just buried the VAERS data entirely.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-over-2000-deaths-due-to-covid-19-vaccines-in-july-2021-idUSL1N2PB2H3[/URL]

[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-thousands-died-from-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY[/URL]

The vaccine is safe take the shot.

None of what you say has any validity to my point, and I never made the claims that you state I made. Typical attempt to twist and distort. The claim I did make is that comparatively speaking, the VAERS process has not changed over the years for all the vaccines. The Covid vaccines have recorded more deaths in the VAERS database in the first 7 months of rollout than all other vaccines combined in the last 40 years. Now, you explain to me why these vaccines are such outliers, and have more than a 10 x incidence rate than all other vaccines combined together?

VAERS data for Covid vaccines is well-known to be vastly underreported by doctors because of the intense pressure to do so.

Why I am doing this is because I'm interested in the truth, and not the bullshit being pumped out by stooges like you. And the truth will come out eventually, no matter how hard you try to spin or suppress it.

No, they're not safe, make up your own mind whether you want to take the shot or not.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804672]I'll reiterate that nothing epitomizes your approach to data like how you've handled the CDC's data:

1: You dismiss the CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.

2: Your interpretation of VAERS data is "anyone who died =after getting the vaccine was killed by the vaccine". You previously claimed "I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19. " but are now casually applying that same logic you (baselessly) accused the CDC of using.

When asked to delineate between "died WITH vaccination" vs "died OF vaccination" the CDC says the death count is just 3, all of them the Johnson and Johnson one, which has consistently been the one that's raised concerns over blood clots. This isn't even the first or second time that Reuters has had to debunk this, but as is clearly stated:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

The VAERS data is an all-inclusive "ANY death after Covid-19 vaccination" standard. You are interpreting this as meaning 100% of deaths or close to it are from vaccinations, while rejecting the far lower official figures. And fittingly enough, something like 80%+ of those deaths are indeed elderly people who are for obvious reasons more death-prone than the overall population.

The Covid-19 death data is not "anyone who died after contracting Covid-19" but straight from the mouths of doctor pronouncing cause of death, which you are accusing professionals of systematically lying because reasons. Or perhaps you are just rejecting the CDC who compiles the overall numbers. The same CDC for whom you are using VAERS data as a source.

Why you are doing this is pretty obvious. The breakthrough deaths figure contradicts your ideological worldview, so you accuse the CDC of falsely pushing it to serve a political agenda. The VAERS deaths figure as 'interpreted' by you aligns with your ideological worldview, so you assume it to be 100% valid and have no ulterior motive despite coming from the same source, who by your own logic should have just buried the VAERS data entirely.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-over-2000-deaths-due-to-covid-19-vaccines-in-july-2021-idUSL1N2PB2H3[/URL]

[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-thousands-died-from-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY[/URL]

The vaccine is safe take the shot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5804603]Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. B[/QUOTE]It's not name calling. He's not calling you a coward, he's saying you are a coward. There's a difference.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804472]VAERS database is completely useless since ANYONE can go that site and make a false claim[/QUOTE]VAERS data was fine until now? The means of reporting are same as have been. Who are these people that under penalty of a federal crime are making false claims, including death, to VAERS?

[QUOTE=Shabihoohoo;5804514]She was only there two days. Saturday and Sunday. Want to try again?.[/QUOTE]I saw the girl, and she remembered me. I've got nothing else to say man. For the sake of the board I am going to remove myself from this convo and focus on getting massages and reporting back to help the board. I think the Senior members would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804699]None of what you say has any validity to my point, and I never made the claims that you state I made. Typical attempt to twist and distort. The claim I did make is that comparatively speaking, the VAERS process has not changed over the years for all the vaccines. The Covid vaccines have recorded more deaths in the VAERS database in the first 7 months of rollout than all other vaccines combined in the last 40 years. Now, you explain to me why these vaccines are such outliers, and have more than a 10 x incidence rate than all other vaccines combined together?

Why I am doing this is because I'm interested in the truth, and not the bullshit being pumped out by stooges like you. And the truth will come out eventually, no matter how hard you try to spin or suppress it.

No, they're not safe, make up your own mind whether you want to take the shot or not.[/QUOTE]

Once again the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.

I do not understand why you can't accept this? 72% of the population of the US have been vaccinated we are not dying on mass nor developing health problems on mass you're not interested in the truth you're interested in YOUR version "the truth" which are delusional lies. The vaccine are safe, move on.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804699]VAERS data for Covid vaccines is well-known to be vastly underreported by doctors because of the intense pressure to do so.[/QUOTE]
What a blatant lie.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5804759]VAERS data was fine until now? The means of reporting are same as have been. [/QUOTE]Yes until Antivaxxers came along on mass thanks to the former guy.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804795]Yes until Antivaxxers came along on mass thanks to the former guy.[/QUOTE]Trump supporters are filing false claims to VAERS because suddenly they're anti vaxxers because Trump admin created this shot? Don't lose your govt job.