"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'll be around here, tho' I don't really see me playing in the bowl again. I'm too much of a hound to ever stop the occasional casual escort hookup, but I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that trying to do the ongoing sugar engagement while in a committed relationship is, for me, too fraught with peril. It really does require a level of commitment to security that I'm not confident I can maintain on a daily basis. If the lady in my life wasn't both sexy and highly sexual, I might look at it differently.

This game we all play isn't binary, and it isn't zero-sum. The reasons we do it, what things we're comfortable with and the levels to which we each will go to participate are a constantly-changing continuum. Simply, the LOE / ROI calculation has changed for me. But if the shit hits the fan, I'll probably be back.

PF HCB

Is gone. She was not loving, romantic, or a good sex provider so it is all for the best. She was a sure thing though.

3 Pots

SDFM #1 GPS fired. Too pecuniary talking about money for gas, for sitters, and for pussy. A Nando 1.

SDFM #2 flaked M&G earlier this week. Young HCG 7/7/8 very doable, super loving personality. Never called back in spite of reassuring words and actions. Go figure? I guess she is out for free meals. Why feed me a line of BS after the meal if I wasn't her type?

SA #1 M&G today 9/9/7 AA HCB She is a SB virgin and was very nervous. She had plans with her friends after a midafternoon meet and said she might call for later. We will see. She is very hot! I hope she works out but I give it a 30 % chance of a call back.

SA Pot #2 I texted back and forth. She is interested but is a polyamorist. She has a live_in with an open relationship and is seeking another couple of guys. She said she doesn't believe in Monogamy. If I wanted a prostitute I would get one.

Speaking of : I saw one of my favorite working girls for some maintenance and it was lovely. I think I might go back to my old standard.

AM #1 Is fading. She lives too far away and has an incredibly impossible schedule for the two of us.

And finally,

AM #2 Is fading as well for the same reasons.

So unless this AA HCG gives me a call back I am back to the drawing board.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1685052]I've posted about this before, but now seems like a good time to re-cap. Here's what I have done, in terms of a secret identity:

So far, in three years, the above has served me well. I fully recognize that I, myself, am the weak link in this whole chain, so I try to follow my "procedures" with absolute rigor. There have been some noteable, and blood-freezing lapses on my part, however. An unused condom in my dop kit when I've come back from a road trip; leaving my batphone in my coat pocket, turned on! ; leaving a list of contacted babies on a slip of paper on my dresser (fortunately my dresser is covered with slips of paper, but still, yikes). The only baby who, I think, knew my real identity was my former ATF, and honestly at that point I think I may have wanted to get caught, so we could finally spend our lives together for ever and ever like I knew we both wanted LOL! Well, we all know where that ended up. My brothers, try not to lose touch with reality, even though you may desire the fantasy. The Bowl, for most of us, is make-believe, with both parties agreeing to play their respective parts.

As has been said many times, never, ever, ever reveal your true self. There will only be tears and heartache ahead. Rather, fully understand that there are two of you, the Sugar you, and the IRL you, and the two should never meet, nor ever know the other one exists. You need to be able to vanish at a moment's notice.

Peace,

Scott[/QUOTE]And what undercover operatives do. The compartments, deceptions, and protocols are identical. Sometimes I wonder if the hobby isn't a way for frustrated spies to live out the excitement of maintaining a double identity and carrying out secret missions.

Took the words out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=HighCotton; 1686928]My $.02, can't speak for Tig. An app appears on your phone, anyone can click on it and see your mail as the app typically stores your password (or at the very least you get asked "why do you have a mail app I've never heard of on your phone")?

Also. Be careful with having your phone or computer auto-save passwords. If she sees a. Dotwhatever email address and goes to that site and your username / password are already auto-filled, you are toast.

And for you apple iPhone users, be careful about software upgrades and iMessage if you text on your iPhone (even if its to bs with your buddies, not talk to a SM). Sometimes those upgrades will automatically turn on iMessage, then anyone on your apple I'd can see your texts.[/QUOTE]

I was in her area the other morning. I got a room and called her up on her way to work. Told her the hotel and room number and said I'm here waiting for you. She seemed caught off guard for a second, then got herself together. She took a detour on the way to work at was at the room in 20 minutes. When she walked in, I was sitting on the chair completely naked. She laughed and said "you ok", I said,"yep, just waiting on you". As she walked over to give me a kiss, I guided her face between my legs and she was off to the races.

So here she is, in her business attire, fresh out of the shower, on her knees slobbing away. Before it was over, we did multiple positions on multiple pieces of furniture. I pretty much man-handled her the entire time. This was a bit of a departure from our first few times together. She came 3 times in less than 40 minutes. We rested, she showered, took some calls and headed in to work with a smile on her face and with her legs still trembling some. She called me later and just raved at how she loves a man that knows what he wants and takes charge. The more I led her around, gave her instruction the wetter she got. Not quite Dom / Sub, just a woman who like an assertive man.

Next time we met she had a gift for me that cost almost $300. Wow, I was impressed and still marveling at my luck. Again, I have no idea how she ended up on a SD site, but I'm glad I found her.

We are averaging once a week and we are scheduled for 2 overnights next week. I'm paying for 1/2 and she's paying for 1/2.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=Blak Casper;1680322]Good report, hold on to her as long as you can, I've had a few over the years that fit this description that I bailed on after awhile for one reason or another. Though they didn't come from / through the sugar world, in your case as long as she doesn't try to put you on "boyfriend / faithful / exclusive" status ride it as long as you can, haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bunker Buster;1687968]Sometimes I wonder if the hobby isn't a way for frustrated spies to live out the excitement of maintaining a double identity and carrying out secret missions.[/QUOTE]Bunk,

I often think this as well. It adds to the thrill of it all. Well, that, and the sex with 20 somethings!

Scott

I've been on SA for about a week now and am making some progress. I am away from my home turf for a few months for work, so my original purpose was to see if I could find a SB here for a short term arrangement. I put 10-12 lines in the water. I have a couple of nibbles that may not turn out to be anything. However I have two good leads that I hope are going to work out.

Pot #1 I mentioned in another post is a 33 year old MILF, divorced and lonely. She was seemingly unfamiliar with the whole SD / SB relationship, and in my first contact told me she was canceling her profile, but did give me her email address. In her first email she ased me what I was looking for on the site and I sent back a polite thoughtful note about wanting to meet someone and enjoy there company, even if it was not a traditional relationship. Whatever I said struck a chord. We emailed back and forth a few times and then I gave her my number. We have been texting daily and are set to meet Tuesday evening. I originally thought that I was just flirting with her and this would go nowhere, but based on the temperature of a few of her texts, I am up to over 60% confidence. I will keep you posted.

Pot #2 is actually from my home area and contacted me first. I wasn't going to start looking for anyone there until I was closer to the end of this project and ready to go home, but I responded to her. She is a 27 year old AA hardbody, employed, graduate degree. Again, slow start via email and then when I gave her a number to text, it has taken off. We have had long conversations about interests, philosophy, travel and the nature of these relationships. AA is not my usual choice, but I am intrigued as she is beautiful and seems very smart. We have agreed to meet for drinks when I get home. I think that if we click and if the allowance expectations are not unreasonable, she is 80% in the bag and could be a keeper. My only worry is that she may turn out to be afflicted with GPS, as she is obviously bright. We haven't touched on finance yet. Won't be able to close the deal on this one for a couple of months.

My key observation from these two ladies of this is that use of texting is vital. I think in the future I am going to implement a suggestion I saw here earlier and just include the number on the second or third email. I have always had a burner phone, just setup a google voice number. I like the ability to use my smartphone, a little uneasy with the fact that in google's server my actual phone number is linked to my new play number. The anonymity of the burner phone is nice. Texting through GV is also a little slower than normal. I am going to experiment with this, haven't decided if I will stick with GV or not.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo; 1688699]I've been on SA for about a week now and am making some progress. I am away from my home turf for a few months for work, so my original purpose was to see if I could find a SB here for a short term arrangement. I put 10-12 lines in the water. I have a couple of nibbles that may not turn out to be anything. However I have two good leads that I hope are going to work out.

Pot #1 I mentioned in another post is a 33 year old MILF, divorced and lonely. She was seemingly unfamiliar with the whole SD / SB relationship, and in my first contact told me she was canceling her profile, but did give me her email address. In her first email she ased me what I was looking for on the site and I sent back a polite thoughtful note about wanting to meet someone and enjoy there company, even if it was not a traditional relationship. Whatever I said struck a chord. We emailed back and forth a few times and then I gave her my number. We have been texting daily and are set to meet Tuesday evening. I originally thought that I was just flirting with her and this would go nowhere, but based on the temperature of a few of her texts, I am up to over 60% confidence. I will keep you posted.

Pot #2 is actually from my home area and contacted me first. I wasn't going to start looking for anyone there until I was closer to the end of this project and ready to go home, but I responded to her. She is a 27 year old AA hardbody, employed, graduate degree. Again, slow start via email and then when I gave her a number to text, it has taken off. We have had long conversations about interests, philosophy, travel and the nature of these relationships. AA is not my usual choice, but I am intrigued as she is beautiful and seems very smart. We have agreed to meet for drinks when I get home. I think that if we click and if the allowance expectations are not unreasonable, she is 80% in the bag and could be a keeper. My only worry is that she may turn out to be afflicted with GPS, as she is obviously bright. We haven't touched on finance yet. Won't be able to close the deal on this one for a couple of months.

My key observation from these two ladies of this is that use of texting is vital. I think in the future I am going to implement a suggestion I saw here earlier and just include the number on the second or third email. I have always had a burner phone, just setup a google voice number. I like the ability to use my smartphone, a little uneasy with the fact that in google's server my actual phone number is linked to my new play number. The anonymity of the burner phone is nice. Texting through GV is also a little slower than normal. I am going to experiment with this, haven't decided if I will stick with GV or not.[/QUOTE]The biggest issue with GV is that you can't send or receive pics. So many want to send pics thru text instead of email.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1688743]The biggest issue with GV is that you can't send or receive pics. So many want to send pics thru text instead of email.[/QUOTE]Pot #2 sent me some pics today using GV. I had the option selected to forward texts to email and it did and I could view the pics there. Downside was I got 50 emails (one for each text she sent me during a long conversation.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1688772]Pot #2 sent me some pics today using GV. I had the option selected to forward texts to email and it did and I could view the pics there. Downside was I got 50 emails (one for each text she sent me during a long conversation.[/QUOTE]Sprint and a few other carriers are slowly supporting GV MMS. So if your SB uses Sprint, she'll be able to send you pictures directly to your GV number and it will appear as an email attachment to your associated gmail address. But otherwise, yes you have to tell them to email the pictures instead. It does make things cumbersome sometimes and trying to explain why your phone can't accept pictures. But on the other hand if you're using a burner phone, it's also not wise to keep suggestive pics of girls on your phone lest your SO discovers your burner. So I prefer to keep my phones pic-free and always have the pics flow-through anonymous email.

As for texting with GV, if you're near a computer, just use the GV website to text. It's much faster than using a phone and probably will draw less attention. Obviously just don't leave the browser window open if you walk away.

I also use GV for myself, it is pretty easy to use and for andriod you can hide the app inside setting, when people ask I can say it is one of the app that came with the phone. I clear all the GV message in my phone daily, no need to keep them there since you can go to the GV website and get all you message there. As for pic, I can get pic and it will go right to my email, still can't send pic yet but I m pretty sure it will be fix soon.

I also score on my second SB today, a 20 why / o white girl in VA. Found her in sd4m, after a few email and couple day of text we met up on Sunday for lunch. Same girl from the pic, very pretty, lovely eye but about 25lbs heavier. Everything went well and I can tell she had never done anything like this before (or she is a very good actor and fool me well). After I told her what I want and ask her how I can help, she couldn't tell me how much she really wants so I ask her is there any bill that you need help to take care of. She told me about her car payment, which is $$$ a month. I told her I can take care of that if we can meet once a week and she gladly accept. Next thing you know we went to a near by motel and spend the whole afternoon together. So 4 hour later she said she has to go, needs to be back before 7. She got dressed and gave me a kiss goodbye. At this point I realize I haven't give her the allowance yet and she was already out the door. So I asked her to come back and took care of her. Finalize some detail and scheduled our next meet.

Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1689336]Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?[/QUOTE]Dude,

I can see by the tone and content of your question you have not read all that far back in this thread, and so would be willing to forgive you, but you clearly have the entirely wrong idea about the Bowl. It is not an escort service, despite what some of the tongue-in-cheek posts might lead you to believe.

I suggest you go back to the beginning post, ground zero, and spend some time reading up. There is almost four years of intel here, and many many more years of accumulated wisdom that anyone would be willing to share, once you have paid some dues, my brother. The Club does not discriminate, but newbies need to show some respect for the unique nature of this particular pursuit.

Not trying to be a dick-head, but this is not for everyone, is not easy, nor fast, and is not just about the bennies. I have spoken to any number of SBs who tell me how turned off they are by guys who contact them with an aggressive pay-for-play approach. If that's your game, you will be sent down to the minors in a heartbeat. Think of this as real life, but with a few mutually-understood short cuts.

Scott

Just to add to what Scott said. It be hooves you to take your time with this. Look carefully at what these experts have to say. Because this is a lot more than just the poontang and the cost. There is quite a bit of risk involved also.

Step carefully

[QUOTE=Revvo;1690047]Look carefully at what these experts have to say.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone here is an expert. We're just a collection of accumulated experiences. And it's in a newbie's best interest to take advantage and read up on all the experiences posted in this thread. You'll see there's quite a few different approaches to the Sugar Bowl, but the one commonality is that there is no easy path and there are pitfalls everywhere.

This is a patient man's game. Most SBs are straddling the line between normal society and the amoral netherworld. If you bark too loud in many cases you'll scare them back to normal society. Speak too softly and they'll roll you with GPS. It's about striking that right balance, not just with your money but how you approach them and your attitude. Unlike with escorts, SBs can and will say "No'. Part of the fun of this pursuit is that since the girls can say "no", it's more rewarding when you actually get them to say "yes". And getting to the point where you're banging a 20 HYC in the FC takes a lot of "Yes"s.

"Yes" for the initial contact.

"Yes" on exchanging pictures and email.

"Yes" that she liked your picture (or found it acceptable)

"Yes" on exchanging phone numbers.

"Yes" to basic arrangement details.

"Yes" on a M&G.

"Yes" on the financials details of the arrangement

"Yes" on intimacy details of the arrangement.

"Yes" on scheduling on a time / date for the FC.

"Yes" on actually showing up to the FC on the day of

All those are pretty much the minimum amount of "yes" hurdles required to bag a SB. A breakdown in anywhere in that chain of "Yes"s can pretty much bring the whole thing down and have the entire thing a wasted effort. If you want a quick and an easy lay, go with escorts. With escorts, they just have one "Yes" hurdle. As long as you give them their required "donation", they'll bang you sight unseen until you show up at the hotel door.

Now once you get things going with a good SB, it can be one of the best things in the world. But it's a lot of work and you pretty much have to enjoy (or at least tolerate) the pursuit because it can feel unending at times. And there's some very real risks involved. I've seen guys who successfully mongered in the escort / AMP world for 10-20 years, get taken down in the sugar bowl after 6. 18 months because of a psycho, identity exposure, emotional involvement, or STD.