Have they started serving alcohol at the clubs yet? If so, has that affected availability of extras?
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Have they started serving alcohol at the clubs yet? If so, has that affected availability of extras?
I went to Pandora's on Friday night around 9 pm. I haven't been in a while so they are remodeling the place. One of the dancers said they're adding a DJ booth up front where the two VIP rooms used to be. They're going to serve food and alcohol where the bar is. Also added drywall in certain areas. They also told me that they're going to have someone watching in the lap dance area for how many dances they do. There were about 15 to 20 guys there but nobody was tipping on stage. The DJ was getting a little upset. There were about 12 dancers there. I guess most of the dancers didn't get their dancer's license by the start of the new year. They can't get it until they come back. I got a dance from Madison. She will offer full service in VIP but I decline because she want it too much. I did 3 for 100 with her then I left. Next time I go I'm going back to days again. LOL.
I haven't been able to stop by the clubs in a bit, but from lurking TUSCL it seems like the new changes with the clubs in the state are you will have to pay a cashier for dances ahead of time and they will have someone counting the songs. Dances are now at a fixed price, so there's no negotiating or 3/$100 type deals.
This was from a report on Rick's and a similar report I saw on Pandoras.
Anyone been to the clubs this past week that can shine some light on rumors and changes?
So, are the entertainers now w2 employees?
[QUOTE=Anony;7153972]I haven't been able to stop by the clubs in a bit, but from lurking TUSCL it seems like the new changes with the clubs in the state are you will have to pay a cashier for dances ahead of time and they will have someone counting the songs. Dances are now at a fixed price, so there's no negotiating or 3/$100 type deals.
This was from a report on Rick's and a similar report I saw on Pandoras.
Anyone been to the clubs this past week that can shine some light on rumors and changes?[/QUOTE]
I was at the Spearmint Rhino 2 months ago and they had a similar set up. I was going to Cashapp the dancer and she said you had to declare how many songs and a manager would collect the money. I'm a SC veteran and it's the first time I've seen this.
[QUOTE=Anony;7153972]I haven't been able to stop by the clubs in a bit, but from lurking TUSCL it seems like the new changes with the clubs in the state are you will have to pay a cashier for dances ahead of time and they will have someone counting the songs. Dances are now at a fixed price, so there's no negotiating or 3/$100 type deals.
This was from a report on Rick's and a similar report I saw on Pandoras.
Anyone been to the clubs this past week that can shine some light on rumors and changes?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Anony;7153972]I haven't been able to stop by the clubs in a bit, but from lurking TUSCL it seems like the new changes with the clubs in the state are you will have to pay a cashier for dances ahead of time and they will have someone counting the songs. Dances are now at a fixed price, so there's no negotiating or 3/$100 type deals.
This was from a report on Rick's and a similar report I saw on Pandoras.
Anyone been to the clubs this past week that can shine some light on rumors and changes?[/QUOTE]I have questions;.
So, how is that "Stripper's bill of rights" working out? Is the government making the clubs a safer place? Do any of the real sex worker want to have a word with the folks who gathered at the capital?
Is this greed? Alcohol sales and the door fee are not enough? Now the club needs to put their hands in the dancer's pockets? (OK purse) Or is this a mandate of the "bill of rights"? To have alcohol in the the club, do they need to have a scarecrow-hall monitor over looking the LDA?
Change is not always good, but change is the only thing you can count on to happen. I am glad I got to live during the "good ole days".
Dancers were lobbying for protection as employees. We had to know the club would have to change how they operate.
I think this idea of someone watching / counting dances is also a means to push more dances to the private rooms where they won't be counting. That room rent is 99% profit.
No wonder so many dancers are offering OTC.
[QUOTE=LSteele;7158089]Dancers were lobbying for protection as employees. We had to know the club would have to change how they operate.
I think this idea of someone watching / counting dances is also a means to push more dances to the private rooms where they won't be counting. That room rent is 99% profit.
No wonder so many dancers are offering OTC.[/QUOTE]When dancers became employees in CA it meant that they get a salary (minimum wage, of course) and breaks and probably some other benefits. The club has to make that money back somehow. One of those ways is taking a cut of every dance. You pay the club manager $40 and he gives some portion of that to the dancer afterwards. In some clubs the girl won't get a dime of that dance money until she's met her quota that covers her salary and whatever benefits. That can definitely put a damper on a girl's enthusiasm. This model does tend to encourage extras insofar as that extra incentive is needed at a given club. If the club is taking a cut of dance fees but not her tips she's going to be incentivized to want more in tips.
[QUOTE=KcMoks1980;7153296]I went to Pandora's on Friday night around 9 pm. I haven't been in a while so they are remodeling the place. One of the dancers said they're adding a DJ booth up front where the two VIP rooms used to be. They're going to serve food and alcohol where the bar is. Also added drywall in certain areas. They also told me that they're going to have someone watching in the lap dance area for how many dances they do. There were about 15 to 20 guys there but nobody was tipping on stage. The DJ was getting a little upset. There were about 12 dancers there. I guess most of the dancers didn't get their dancer's license by the start of the new year. They can't get it until they come back. I got a dance from Madison. She will offer full service in VIP but I decline because she want it too much. I did 3 for 100 with her then I left. Next time I go I'm going back to days again. LOL.[/QUOTE]Good thing you didn't go to VIP with her. She's a scam. She overpromises what she'll do for you in VIP but doesn't deliver what was promised. And she demands for payment up front, which should be a red flag.
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No wonder so many dancers are offering OTC.[/QUOTE]What is OTC? Its not in the Abbreviations list. Over the clothes?
[QUOTE=ShogunHua;7158896]What is OTC? Its not in the Abbreviations list. Over the clothes?[/QUOTE]OTC in this situation means outside the club.
[QUOTE=ShogunHua;7158896]What is OTC? Its not in the Abbreviations list. Over the clothes?[/QUOTE]Outside the club
[QUOTE=DapperDavid;7158320]Good thing you didn't go to VIP with her. She's a scam. She overpromises what she'll do for you in VIP but doesn't deliver what was promised. And she demands for payment up front, which should be a red flag.[/QUOTE]I couldn't disagree more. Madison has the best dirty talk in the club, and I've had a few dances from her. She's open to more, but not for free of course, and YMMV too. She's definitely a safety girl, but she's a lotta fun, and super cool once she gets to know you. I think you may have just caught her on a bad night, or maybe she got a vibe that she couldn't trust you. Sorry if you had a bad experience, but I've never had anything to complain about with her.
Hi All, I think the glory days of getting what you want at Pandoras etc will come to an end, now with Alcohol being introduced, and all the new regulations. Monse and the other ones who give great service will probably, if not already, start offering OTC, and meet you somewhere else. They may also try and sneak a way to do what they do but it probably will be too expensive and risky to do. I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling that this is what will become of Strip Clubs in Seattle.
[QUOTE=NerdsKnowBest;7159713]I couldn't disagree more. Madison has the best dirty talk in the club, and I've had a few dances from her. She's open to more, but not for free of course, and YMMV too. She's definitely a safety girl, but she's a lotta fun, and super cool once she gets to know you. I think you may have just caught her on a bad night, or maybe she got a vibe that she couldn't trust you. Sorry if you had a bad experience, but I've never had anything to complain about with her.[/QUOTE]Madison is a known scammer at Pandoras. Unfortunately she scammed me too. We agreed to 300 to fuck in a room, but she wanted payment upfront. I paid her, and then she immediately said it's 500 for sex. Just search her name for all the scam reports.
[QUOTE=NerdsKnowBest;7159713]I couldn't disagree more. Madison has the best dirty talk in the club, and I've had a few dances from her. She's open to more, but not for free of course, and YMMV too. She's definitely a safety girl, but she's a lotta fun, and super cool once she gets to know you. I think you may have just caught her on a bad night, or maybe she got a vibe that she couldn't trust you. Sorry if you had a bad experience, but I've never had anything to complain about with her.[/QUOTE]Madison sucks, and not in the good way. She came up to me once, talking a good game. I went to the back with her expecting a typical Pandy's experience. She got out her fake tits. When, I leaned forward, she put both hands on my chest, and pushed me back. No touching allowed. It was literally one of the most boring dances I have ever had. I was one, and done. She said one thing, and did not deliver, at all. Never again.
[QUOTE=Eeldred;7159942]Hi All, I think the glory days of getting what you want at Pandoras etc will come to an end, now with Alcohol being introduced, and all the new regulations. Monse and the other ones who give great service will probably, if not already, start offering OTC, and meet you somewhere else. They may also try and sneak a way to do what they do but it probably will be too expensive and risky to do. I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling that this is what will become of Strip Clubs in Seattle.[/QUOTE]The percentage of dancers offering OTC is already high, especially daytime. That's true for any club and its been that way in Seattle for decades.
[QUOTE=LSteele;7160349]The percentage of dancers offering OTC is already high, especially daytime. That's true for any club and its been that way in Seattle for decades.[/QUOTE]Anyone know if Allie or Anya offer OTC meetups? If so, I can DM you to get details if you'd rather keep it that way.
[QUOTE=LSteele;7160349]The percentage of dancers offering OTC is already high, especially daytime. That's true for any club and its been that way in Seattle for decades.[/QUOTE]This.
Nearly all of the girls at the clubs provide OTC services to at least some of their customers. If they perceive their rotation as satisfactory though they are unlikely to take on another client. These situations start looking a lot like Sugar Bowl relationships.
Basically there are Three kinds of strippers:
1. Short timers. They are new to the biz and if they stay longer they evolve into either a 2 or a 3. Also the least likely to do OTC
2. Career girls. They are running a business and are about making their money efficiently. Which they usually do.
3. Fuck ups. Through either mental health issues or drug issues they work a strip club because they have nowhere else to go.
And girls do transition between 2 and 3.
For my money the 2s are the best deal. They get the job done and they can be a lot of fun. And they know it is a job. The 1s often have GPS if you can even get anywhere with them and the 3s are just a life support system for chaos and disaster.
[QUOTE=KarumaIndo;7160933]Anyone know if Allie or Anya offer OTC meetups? If so, I can DM you to get details if you'd rather keep it that way.[/QUOTE]No idea about Anya but I recall a post awhile back that indicated OTC with Allie but that was during Covid club closures. My read on her is that she heavily favors her regulars even in the club and that OTC would be unlikely unless you've put in the work. That said, if other speculation on here pans out regarding tighter restrictions on ITC dances that impact a dancers income, anything could become possible.
Yeah, I feel like there's been a ton of speculation and "the sky is falling" re: the clubs, but nobody actually reporting in their experiences to confirm / deny. I haven't been anywhere (not my usual scene, but I love to follow it on these boards) so I don't have any concrete info either, sorry!
[QUOTE=Alfador;7161635]Yeah, I feel like there's been a ton of speculation and "the sky is falling" re: the clubs, but nobody actually reporting in their experiences to confirm / deny. I haven't been anywhere (not my usual scene, but I love to follow it on these boards) so I don't have any concrete info either, sorry![/QUOTE]I decided to try Deja Vu to see how to new process worked. The lapdance in the general VIP area are priced at $40. I talked to some blonde tatted up stripper and agreed to two songs for $40 each. I asked her if I can do a 3 for $100 discount, but she told me $40 a song is the minimum and if I wanted 3 songs it would be $120, but she does accept tips above that.
Normally when I'd get dances, I'd pay at the end, but now we pre pay, and we give the money to a cashier who oversees the lapdance area. So my $80 never went directly to the stripper, but it went to the club, who I guess would pay out the stripper at the end of the day.
After my 2 song low mileage dance, I asked the stripper hypothetically, if I wanted another song, if I can just give her $40 and continue on. She said no, we would have to go back to the cashier where I'd pay the club for the additional dance.
I asked the stripper what the general thoughts are, and it seems everyone hates it.
Also, at the end of my 2nd song when I was asking the stripper all the questions, I could feel the cashiers eyes watching us, making sure we weren't doing a 3rd song. So yeah, these new rules will change everything.
[QUOTE=Jjzih;7159986]Madison is a known scammer at Pandoras. Unfortunately she scammed me too. We agreed to 300 to fuck in a room, but she wanted payment upfront. I paid her, and then she immediately said it's 500 for sex. Just search her name for all the scam reports.[/QUOTE]I understand what you all are saying, but I was just sharing my experience. I've only been around for about a year here, so maybe she was made aware of her reputation on the boards and cleaned up her act. She was always honest with me. Yeah, she has fixed boundaries and limits, she's no cum dumpster like Mandy or Monse, get room after room, taking load after load, but she's been fun the few times I've seen her. Not to say Mandy isn't fun, she is (especially when she's drunk, which is Often), and I haven't had the chance to experience Monse yet.
I go in every couple of months to see a few familiar faces and meet new ones. Last time I was in I had LDA dances from Madison, Zahara, Melanie, Natasha, Myoko, Layla, and luckily enough Heather. All were delicious ladies. Had a VIP with Heather again, and she's fabulous. Trying to sample the buffet ya know, a little of this and a little of that. Introductions for possible OTC action as well, kind of like an interview process, sampling candidates. LOL Natasha is definitely on my VIP TDL though, I'm a sucker for dirty blondes.
[QUOTE=Anony;7161833]I decided to try Deja Vu to see how to new process worked. The lapdance in the general VIP area are priced at $40. I talked to some blonde tatted up stripper and agreed to two songs for $40 each. I asked her if I can do a 3 for $100 discount, but she told me $40 a song is the minimum and if I wanted 3 songs it would be $120, but she does accept tips above that.
Normally when I'd get dances, I'd pay at the end, but now we pre pay, and we give the money to a cashier who oversees the lapdance area. So my $80 never went directly to the stripper, but it went to the club, who I guess would pay out the stripper at the end of the day.
After my 2 song low mileage dance, I asked the stripper hypothetically, if I wanted another song, if I can just give her $40 and continue on. She said no, we would have to go back to the cashier where I'd pay the club for the additional dance.
I asked the stripper what the general thoughts are, and it seems everyone hates it.
Also, at the end of my 2nd song when I was asking the stripper all the questions, I could feel the cashiers eyes watching us, making sure we weren't doing a 3rd song. So yeah, these new rules will change everything.[/QUOTE]That's definitely going to be a mood killer for sure! And if we can't get a quantity discount, then why get a quantity. "You can always tip me above that. " ROFL The fee is your tip, and my returning for more is the reward for doing a good job. I hate that attitude some of them have.
You got Monse out here applying for conventional jobs. But you know that saying about a leopard and its stripes.
[QUOTE=KarumaIndo;7162262]You got Monse out here applying for conventional jobs. But you know that saying about a leopard and its stripes.[/QUOTE]As much as she has been reported here, I would hope she's stacked her money wisely and this is part of an exit strategy.
[QUOTE=KarumaIndo;7162262]You got Monse out here applying for conventional jobs. But you know that saying about a leopard and its stripes.[/QUOTE]I was told last spring, by another dancer, that Monse planned to retire at the end of the year (2024). I was surprised when her name showed up on Pandora's IG lineups after January 1st, indicating she got a 2025 license. But it appears she's now job searching. But this isn't a reaction to recent events. She's planned this for some time, it appears.
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;7161101]This.
Nearly all of the girls at the clubs provide OTC services to at least some of their customers. If they perceive their rotation as satisfactory though they are unlikely to take on another client. These situations start looking a lot like Sugar Bowl relationships.
Basically there are Three kinds of strippers:
1. Short timers. They are new to the biz and if they stay longer they evolve into either a 2 or a 3. Also the least likely to do OTC
2. Career girls. They are running a business and are about making their money efficiently. Which they usually do.
3. Fuck ups. Through either mental health issues or drug issues they work a strip club because they have nowhere else to go.
And girls do transition between 2 and 3.
For my money the 2s are the best deal. They get the job done and they can be a lot of fun. And they know it is a job. The 1s often have GPS if you can even get anywhere with them and the 3s are just a life support system for chaos and disaster.[/QUOTE]I couldn't have said it better. The older strippers that are over 35, the StripperSauruses, know their time is limited and need to get too many procedures to look good, usually in the 3 category. They are open to OTC, since they know we like the young 23-28 years old strippers who don't have to wear so much damn makeup, where you don't want the wife seeing your clothes covered in makeup and glitter.
Even Monse is transitioning out of the jizz bizz, the strippersaureses Just become cumdumpsters to earn cash. I stick with the young fresh dancers.
[QUOTE=Jjzih;7159986]Madison is a known scammer at Pandoras. Unfortunately she scammed me too. We agreed to 300 to fuck in a room, but she wanted payment upfront. I paid her, and then she immediately said it's 500 for sex. Just search her name for all the scam reports.[/QUOTE]All of the strippers will fuck for outrageous amounts of money, they all have GPS, they think that they deserve more than escorts! Haha they just don't want to be called ******, prostitutes or escorts, they think they deserve more because they work in a sex club. Major GPS. Having I have fucked plenty of strippers, they just don't compare to a horny civilian hottie who loves to fuck. I stopped fucking strippers a couple years ago, they are great actresses but just too drugged out or drunk. Good for BBBJ, if they swallow my thick load. Haha.
Shoot. I have yet to meet the famous Monse and am finally in a position to do so. Could it be too late?
[QUOTE=TWilson;7165164]Shoot. I have yet to meet the famous Monse and am finally in a position to do so. Could it be too late?[/QUOTE]It's never too late The economy sucks and strippers and baristas are barely making any money, other than the ones with sugar daddies.
A couple of dancers at Kittens have daddies who make it rain with 100's of dollars when their girls take the stage, the other strippers are lucky to get $20 from their stage dances.
Hundreds of dollars on the stage and booked with their daddies for thousands for the rest of the night, the rest of the dancers are hanging out trying to cover house.
Monse knows that she will never make the money working a straight job compared to what she makes servicing her customers and getting creampied.
[QUOTE=Adonis666;7167023]It's never too late The economy sucks and strippers and baristas are barely making any money, other than the ones with sugar daddies.
A couple of dancers at Kittens have daddies who make it rain with 100's of dollars when their girls take the stage, the other strippers are lucky to get $20 from their stage dances.
Hundreds of dollars on the stage and booked with their daddies for thousands for the rest of the night, the rest of the dancers are hanging out trying to cover house.
Monse knows that she will never make the money working a straight job compared to what she makes servicing her customers and getting creampied.[/QUOTE]I heard a rumor that Monse got new tits. I was in yesterday, and they did look a bit different. I hope they are soft. She did not get new tits to get a new job. Go meat her. Will be glad you did.
[QUOTE=PacificoWang;7167052]I heard a rumor that Monse got new tits. I was in yesterday, and they did look a bit different. I hope they are soft. She did not get new tits to get a new job. Go meat her. Will be glad you did.[/QUOTE]Can confirm. She got them redone. Have to be a little more careful with them. Better than before for sure. Was the reason she was gone. Monse isn't going anywhere. She loves what she does.
Saw her when she got back from her time off. New and improved titties. Had to be a little more careful with them but glad she got that exploded one out and healed up very nicely with new implants. Had some new tricks as well. Not retiring by any means. Specially if she knows you.
[QUOTE=PacificoWang;7167052]I heard a rumor that Monse got new tits. I was in yesterday, and they did look a bit different. I hope they are soft. She did not get new tits to get a new job. Go meat her. Will be glad you did.[/QUOTE]I thought she already had man mades, did she do a touch up?
[QUOTE=ShavedKitties;7167268]I thought she already had man mades, did she do a touch up?[/QUOTE]Yeah she got touch ups. They were still healing last time I saw her. Fresh vertical scars.
The club has been super slow, the new changes haven't gone into place yet. Go have yourselves some fun before they do.
[QUOTE=Context22;7167419]The club has been super slow, the new changes haven't gone into place yet. Go have yourselves some fun before they do.[/QUOTE]When the new changes come in, will the dancers / ****** still be able to fuck and suck in the clubs? With alcohol being involved will the liquor board be more vigilant and the clubs charging more, what about hoflation?
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;7161101]This.
Nearly all of the girls at the clubs provide OTC services to at least some of their customers. If they perceive their rotation as satisfactory though they are unlikely to take on another client. These situations start looking a lot like Sugar Bowl relationships.
Basically there are Three kinds of strippers:
1. Short timers. They are new to the biz and if they stay longer they evolve into either a 2 or a 3. Also the least likely to do OTC
2. Career girls. They are running a business and are about making their money efficiently. Which they usually do.
3. Fuck ups. Through either mental health issues or drug issues they work a strip club because they have nowhere else to go.
And girls do transition between 2 and 3..[/QUOTE]Take out the stripper part and you just described 35-40 percent of women in general! LOL.
[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;7171412]Take out the stripper part and you just described 35-40 percent of women in general! LOL.[/QUOTE]Hoeflation prices in the club and outside the club. Quoting 400 plus for 15 min haha not a single stripper / ***** is worth that haha.
The prices go up and the quality goes down, the fuckups with mental health issues will create drama if they get drunk or doped up.