Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=Clicker;5794588]*****, you need a hobby or a life, who has time to write all that lengthy meaningless bullshit? Find a purpose in life![/QUOTE]I have many purposes in life and one of them is to fight assholes like you into submission. What I wrote is the truth and I will always find the time to write the truth no matter how much bastards like you deny it. You are the one on the side of the dictators and yet you have the balls to tell us that we don't deserve to live in this country? Eff you. It is precisely attitudes like yours that will lead to fighting and war down the road. If it does, we will win. We are the majority and we will defeat you. You know it too which is why we are continuously subjected to your impotent bleatings day after day. Just curious though: Just what is it that you find so compelling about Might Joe anyway? I ask you jerkoffs this question all the time and I never get an answer from you.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5794865]How many have been convicted of insurrection? ZERO.
Are you beginning to see a pattern. There was no freaking insurrection and there will not be a single conviction for such. Get over it.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and[/URL]

They are being charged with insurrection and there's pretty good chance they will be found guilty of such. So basically there WAS an insurrection, Get over it.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5794954]I have many purposes in life and one of them is to fight assholes like you into submission. [/QUOTE]No you don't, and no it isn't.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5794954]What I wrote is the truth and I will always find the time to write the truth[/QUOTE]No it's not and no you don't.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5794954]You are the one on the side of the dictators[/QUOTE]Sorry to inform you but it's your lot that's on the side of dictators.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5794954]you have the balls to tell us that we don't deserve to live in this country?[/QUOTE]Given by what your saying about this country that isn't true, YES!

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5794954]We are the majority and we will defeat you.[/QUOTE]You are the minority and we the majority, we will defeat you.

[QUOTE=Clicker;5794755]If you think all that is ok you don't deserve to live in this country, go fuck yourself you anti American piece of crap.[/QUOTE]No one said it was OK.

It just was not an insurrection by definition of the word and the law.

Unless being stupid, wearing horns, and painting your face means you want to take over the government.

Get a grip you turd.

Charges are not convictions. As I stated, ZERO have been convicted of insurrection or sedition. Because there is no case, the feds threaten with that then let them plead out, vast majority to misdemeanors. Please, get an education. I sat on many court martials where the soldiers was charged or indicted on something and walked away scot free because there was no case.

Read my words again, very slowly if need be and maybe even get a dictionary.

"How many have been convicted of insurrection? ZERO.

Are you beginning to see a pattern. There was no freaking insurrection and there will not be a single conviction for such. Get over it. ".

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5795167][URL]https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and[/URL]

They are being charged with insurrection and there's pretty good chance they will be found guilty of such. So basically there WAS an insurrection, Get over it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5795185]No you don't, and no it isn't.

No it's not and no you don't.

Sorry to inform you but it's your lot that's on the side of dictators.

Given by what your saying about this country that isn't true, YES!

You are the minority and we the majority, we will defeat you.[/QUOTE]You just keep on believing what CNN and MSNBC spoon feed you. If you really believe that 75% of this country believes as you do and sides with the planned destruction of America by this administration then you have travelled far beyond the realm of derangement into the Lala land of dysfunctional trolldom. Beyond laughable. Or maybe you just don't have anything better to do than to be a leftist scold. No credibility but you do perform that function very well.

Notice how the Libs and Pinkoes are trying to turn the conversation away from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Jan 6th has nothing to do with Putin's.

Attack on free peoples.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5795694]Charges are not convictions. As I stated, ZERO have been convicted of insurrection or sedition. Because there is no case, the feds threaten with that then let them plead out, vast majority to misdemeanors. Please, get an education. I sat on many court martials where the soldiers was charged or indicted on something and walked away scot free because there was no case.

Read my words again, very slowly if need be and maybe even get a dictionary.

"How many have been convicted of insurrection? ZERO.

Are you beginning to see a pattern. There was no freaking insurrection and there will not be a single conviction for such. Get over it. ".[/QUOTE]It's pretty common for hardliners such as yourself to set standards of evidence that are impossible to reach.

"Charges aren't convictions. ".

"Plea deals aren't convictions. ".

"Convictions won't count until they're fully appealed. ".

And then it still won't count to you because it was a biased judge / jury or a bad defense or a corrupt prosecutor or something else. Truthfully these guys getting convicted won't mean anything to you.

I know you'll dismiss this. So you can keep telling yourself whatever stories makes you happy, but that won't change reality, and that is a insurrection happen on Jan 6, get over it.

Also while you may have experience with court martials, you are not a jag, or at least you have not said anything to imply you are one. Operating on the assumption you are not a jag they shouldn't act as if they have legal understanding of cases, and if you are a jag you definitely shouldn't speculate about a case they are not familiar with.

Second, if those charged take a plea deal, why would the feds accept it if they were not getting info on someone they wanted more. Feds aren't in the habit of letting people walk unless they have bigger fish to fry.

Third, civil cases on average take 2-3 years in the US court system, and while criminal cases take less time, typically .5-1 years on average, the scale of those charged has steadily increased since the first related cases were brought. If you wish to educate yourself selves go to Capitol Breach Cases, under the DoJ's Attorney's Office, District of Colombia. That has the full list of federal cases associated with Jan 6, the charges, their individual status, and filing documents associated. I am not going to go through the 650+ cases listed and break down how many of those who pleaded guilty (200+) were charged with 'serious' crimes. I'm not going to go through the 350+ who've pleaded not guilty and went on to prove the feds had no case. Because honestly, I don't care enough to. I trust the legal system and the DoJ to do their jobs in this matter without interference on my part.

Although I think this headline is a bit over the top, it's clear more and more countries are admitting the vaccines were a failure in conferring immunity, and are throwing in the towel on the mandates and restrictions.

[URL]https://onemileatatime.com/news/iceland-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions/[/URL]

Meanwhile, I continue to think we're only just seeing the tip of the iceberg wrt to the vaccines and their side effects. Similar to the data from North American insurers, German insurers are starting to note worrisome figures in their statistics:

[URL]https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus237106177/Coronavirus-Mehr-Impf-Nebenwirkungen-als-bisher-bekannt.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796011]Although I think this headline is a bit over the top, it's clear more and more countries are admitting the vaccines were a failure in conferring immunity, and are throwing in the towel on the mandates and restrictions.

[URL]https://onemileatatime.com/news/iceland-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions/[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]Quit your shit Russia is killing people. Vaccines. Really? Is that all you have beside name calling.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5796277]Quit your shit Russia is killing people. Vaccines. Really? Is that all you have beside name calling.[/QUOTE]I'm aware about Russia and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately but I can correct people giving out misinformation about the vaccine and I'm also not seeing you complain about I Luv Emall bring up the vaccines just me, I guess you never heard of double standards?

A conviction is a conviction. It means, in the eyes of the law, they are guilty. End of discussion. If, later one the conviction is overturned, then and only then is the equation changed. The majority are pleading guilty to minor offences, mostly trespassing type laws which they are guilty of. As stated, one or two are guilty of assaulting an officer and I have no pity for them. So please, do not try to put words in my mouth. I made my original statement quite clear, so far, no one has been convicted of insurrection or sedition. Additionally, please tell me any other time in American history where citizens were being held in such conditions for over a year awaiting arraignment much less a trial? When have we, as a Constitutional Republic ever forced prisoners to read specifically slanted political material before allowing their case into court?

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5795982]It's pretty common for hardliners such as yourself to set standards of evidence that are impossible to reach.

"Charges aren't convictions. ".

"Plea deals aren't convictions. ".

"Convictions won't count until they're fully appealed. ".

And then it still won't count to you because it was a biased judge / jury or a bad defense or a corrupt prosecutor or something else. Truthfully these guys getting convicted won't mean anything to you.

I know you'll dismiss this. So you can keep telling yourself whatever stories makes you happy, but that won't change reality, and that is a insurrection happen on Jan 6, get over it.

Also while you may have experience with court martials, you are not a jag, or at least you have not said anything to imply you are one. Operating on the assumption you are not a jag they shouldn't act as if they have legal understanding of cases, and if you are a jag you definitely shouldn't speculate about a case they are not familiar with.

Second, if those charged take a plea deal, why would the feds accept it if they were not getting info on someone they wanted more. Feds aren't in the habit of letting people walk unless they have bigger fish to fry.

Third, civil cases on average take 2-3 years in the US court system, and while criminal cases take less time, typically .5-1 years on average, the scale of those charged has steadily increased since the first related cases were brought. If you wish to educate yourself selves go to Capitol Breach Cases, under the DoJ's Attorney's Office, District of Colombia. That has the full list of federal cases associated with Jan 6, the charges, their individual status, and filing documents associated. I am not going to go through the 650+ cases listed and break down how many of those who pleaded guilty (200+) were charged with 'serious' crimes. I'm not going to go through the 350+ who've pleaded not guilty and went on to prove the feds had no case. Because honestly, I don't care enough to. I trust the legal system and the DoJ to do their jobs in this matter without interference on my part.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".

I think you need to improve your reading and comprehension, as this is clearly an admission that the vaccines are ineffective, and he's saying the only way out of this is herd immunity and adopting the Swedish policies. And nobody wants to transit INTO an epidemic, moron.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796313]I'm aware about Russia and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately but I can correct people giving out misinformation about the vaccine and I'm also not seeing you complain about I Luv Emall bring up the vaccines just me, I guess you never heard of double standards?[/QUOTE]Says the king of disinformation. Why don't you tell us more about the overflowing ER rooms in Oklahoma from the Ivermectin poisoning? Or about how the vaccines are preventing Covid, and its transmission? You accused me of disinformation on these when I gave you hard data showing it obviously wasn't true, but just like the overflowing ER rooms, you're unable to apply any critical thinking, and can only mindlessly swallow the party-line BS censorship pumped out by those who tell you what to think. Now that they're finally telling you that the vaccines don't prevent you from getting Covid, and don't stop the transmission either, you're finally forced to admit that. With Omicron, they're even slowly leaking out the stats that the vaccines are doing little for the hospitalization rates. The narrative is falling apart and they know it. They're only slowly setting the stage piece by piece for fools like you to accept that you've been fed a sack of horseshit because it's too much for your small mind to accept all at once. Meanwhile, you continue to go around and hypocritically scream disinformation (and would love to censor, if only you could), like the parrot you are, when you're the one that's been spreading the manure.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796625]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".[/QUOTE]One person said it, so it must be true? How Trumpian. The Minister for Health in Iceland is certainly welcome to his opinion, but before you jump onto that bandwagon, have you considered what the Ministers of Health in the other 200+ countries have to say about it?

Or is a single data point enough for you to make a generalized conclusion?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5796534] Additionally, please tell me any other time in American history where citizens were being held in such conditions for over a year awaiting arraignment much less a trial? When have we, as a Constitutional Republic ever forced prisoners to read specifically slanted political material before allowing their case into court?[/QUOTE]Ahh I see... you have NO clue what your talking about.

From Waiting for Justice-.

https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

"At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it's been longer than 5 years. ".

"In 32 counties that gave us detailed data, 5,796 people have been jailed longer than a year without being convicted or sentenced. ".

"In Los Angeles County, which has the state's largest jail population, 1,350 unsentenced people have been behind bars for longer than a year. About 180 have been jailed longer than three years. ".

"Name any other time in American history?" Every single day, wow, that was hard. Not.

As for taking plea deals? 94% of guilty convictions are from guilty pleas at the state level, that number is 97% at the federal level.

People accept plea deals for less serious charges to avoid going to trial for more serious charges all the time, despite this being common knowledge, well wow.

So using plea deals as an argument that more serious charges didn't apply is nonsensical. The Justice System literally doesn't have time and resources to take every case to trial, even slam dunk open and shut cases. The job of prosecutors is literally picking and choosing which cases are worth taking the time and energy to take the trial and those that are not.

Since the pandemic the Justice System has become even more reliant on plea deals, in fact a survey indicated that prosecutors are giving out even more lenient plea deals to avoid going to trial thanks to the pandemic decreasing their resources.

140 police officers were injured during Jan 6, unless they believe 'one or two' people are capable of doing that and are some hybrid of John Wick and Jason Borne, the obvious conclusion is a roughly equal or greater number of people were doing the injuring.

For citizens being held prior to arraignment or trial, well the detainment of Japanese Americans during the second world war comes to mind. Or the various cases associated with Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement. Plus the present day and the multitude of individuals waiting trial, as pointed out earlier, unless those don't count for some reason.

As for them actually not being arraigned/tried, again referencing the DoJ's Capitol Breach Cases, 350+ of the 650+ cases have been arraigned, and there are 200+ plea agreements. There is little overlap between those two figures. Some math means there are still ~100 cases on the DoJ's list where an arrest is recorded, but nothing else. Plucking one randomly from that list gives us MCABEE, Ronald Colton who according to the DoJ was arrested on 17 Aug 2021 and then nothing more is listed. Some further research turns up an article talking about the arrest. Some further searching turns up a Memorandum Opinion by Emmet G. Sullivan, United States District Judge to continue McAbee's detainment pending trial.

"Defendant Ronald Colton McAbee ("Mr. McAbee") has been charged in a federal indictment with seven serious offenses arising from his participation in the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. See Redacted Third Superseding Indictment, ECF No. 152. Following Mr. McAbee's arrest and two detention hearings, a magistrate judge in the Eastern District of Tennessee released Mr. McAbee from custody pending trial. See Rule 5(c)(3) Docs., ECF No. 128 at 24-30. Pending before the Court is the government's Motion for Review and Appeal of the Release Order, which requests that Mr. McAbee be detained pending trial based on the danger he poses to the community. See Gov't's Emergency Mot. to Stay and for Review and Appeal of Release Order ("Gov't's Mot."), ECF No. 108. Upon careful consideration of the motion, opposition, and reply thereto, the arguments set forth at the September 22, 2021 hearing, the applicable law, and the entire record herein, the government's motion is GRANTED."
That memorandum was issued on 21 Dec 2021 and mentions two prior hearings. So in actual fact, despite the case not being kept fully up to date on the DoJ's site, it is still moving forward. I am not going to go through all of those cases to compile statistics on them. That is not my job.

As for your second question, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. As he is accusing the US of forcing people to 'read specifically slanted political material' before granting their sixth amendment rights he needs to provide proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Proof like a statement from a defendant on the stand. Not whatever claims they make in a camera, what they say under oath. And if such accusations are not coming from the defendants, where are they coming from?

I am not going to argue that convictions of seditious conspiracy have occurred, because they have not yet. Someone performing an act does not necessarily mean they will be convicted or punished for performing that act, but that does not mean they did not perform the act. If I steal a cookie from the kitchen and get away with it, did I not steal the cookie?

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]You're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796625]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".

I think you need to improve your reading and comprehension, as this is clearly an admission that the vaccines are ineffective, and he's saying the only way out of this is herd immunity and adopting the Swedish policies. And nobody wants to transit INTO an epidemic, moron.[/QUOTE]No he's saying vaccines ARE necessary but admittedly enough on their own. Basically vaccines+people having mild conditions because of the vaccine=success which allows for it to open up.

Also I meant to say out of the epidemic phase and into a seasonal one.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5796712]You're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.[/QUOTE]That jump is when Delta came about which was more transmissible than the original COVID-19 variant which infected more faster than expected.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796741]That jump is when Delta came about which was more transmissible than the original COVID-19 variant which infected more faster than expected.[/QUOTE]No it's not. Increases in China virus infections run parallel with increases in clotshots. It's a global phenomenon. I repeat, you're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796729]No he's saying vaccines ARE necessary but admittedly enough on their own. Basically vaccines+people having mild conditions because of the vaccine=success which allows for it to open up.

Also I meant to say out of the epidemic phase and into a seasonal one.[/QUOTE]Nice talking points, but basically more horseshit. With Omicron, practically everyone is having mild conditions (comorbidities and obesity aside), and the vaccines have very little to do with it. Don't take my word for it, look at this study from the CDC:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm?s_cid=mm7107e2_w[/URL]#contribAff.

Excerpting the hospitalization data from that:

For the Delta-dominant period- 46% unvaccinated, 54% vaccinated.

For Omicron-dominant period, 43% unvaccinated, 57% vaccinated.

Israeli hospitalization data shows even higher numbers-70-80% of hospitalized patients are vaccinated, and the Director of the Hospital's Coronavirus ward says the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness:

[URL]https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674[/URL]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5796746]No it's not. Increases in China virus infections run parallel with increases in clotshots. It's a global phenomenon. I repeat, you're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.[/QUOTE]Let's all read this again slowly, who is ignorant?

Grow up people, it's a big diverse world.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796313]I'm aware about Russia and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately but I can correct people giving out misinformation about the vaccine and I'm also not seeing you complain about I Luv Emall bring up the vaccines just me, I guess you never heard of double standards?[/QUOTE]That's it try to change the discussion away from the incompetence of your bot Joe.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796747]Nice talking points, but basically more horseshit. With Omicron, practically everyone is having mild conditions (comorbidities and obesity aside), and the vaccines have very little to do with it. Don't take my word for it, look at this study from the CDC:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm?s_cid=mm7107e2_w[/URL]#contribAff.

Excerpting the hospitalization data from that:

For the Delta-dominant period- 46% unvaccinated, 54% vaccinated.

For Omicron-dominant period, 43% unvaccinated, 57% vaccinated.

Israeli hospitalization data shows even higher numbers-70-80% of hospitalized patients are vaccinated, and the Director of the Hospital's Coronavirus ward says the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness:

[URL]https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674[/URL][/QUOTE]95% of Israel's population is vaccinated. Of course 70% iof hospitalizations are vaccinated. What's the total number, though. Nice play on the %, but you suck at trying to hide the truth.

Joe Biden.

Kamala Harris.

Nancy Pelosi.

Now doesn't that give you a feeling our country is in competent hands?

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5797061]Joe Biden.

Kamala Harris.

Nancy Pelosi.

Now doesn't that give you a feeling our country is in competent hands?[/QUOTE]They only need one more and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse will be complete.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5796998]95% of Israel's population is vaccinated. Of course 70% iof hospitalizations are vaccinated. What's the total number, though. Nice play on the %, but you suck at trying to hide the truth.[/QUOTE]Why is it the people that like to claim disinformation are always the ones propagating it the most? Did you just pull that 95% number out of your ass? Let's go to a credible source instead, which shows Israel's vaccination rate at under 66%.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Even with your using the low end of the good Dr's numbers, instead of the 80% vaccinated comprising the hospitalized, it's still apparent the Hospital's Director of the Coronavirus ward knows more than you, and his words are accurate when he says:

"So, the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness, which is why just twenty to twenty-five percent of our patients are unvaccinated. "

Those are his words, not mine, jackoff. And you're the only one here trying to hide the truth. I think he's in a much better position to speak about the truth than you are.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5796994]That's it try to change the discussion away from the Joe.[/QUOTE]I'm merely just stating that nothing I do or say can change what's happening in Ukraine.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5797061]Joe Biden.

Kamala Harris.

Nancy Pelosi.

Now doesn't that give you a feeling our country is in competent hands?[/QUOTE]

Yep it absolutely does, much better than the former guy which most Americans agree with.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5797182]I'm merely just stating that nothing I do or say can change what's happening in Ukraine.


Yep it absolutely does, much better than the former guy which most Americans agree with.[/QUOTE]Trump, McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, jim Jordan? All assholes, they make the 3 stooges look brilliant!

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5797182]Yep it absolutely does, much better than the former guy which most Americans agree with.[/QUOTE]Biden's actually managed to make it a dead heat with his senility:

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/[/URL]

What really stands out is that the majority of Americans believe that Biden and his administration is both dishonest, and incompetent:

[URL]https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824[/URL]

Can't say they're wrong, but the party's just beginning.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5796998]95% of Israel's population is vaccinated. Of course 70% iof hospitalizations are vaccinated. What's the total number, though. Nice play on the %, but you suck at trying to hide the truth.[/QUOTE]You are saying that the unvaccinated per centage of the population (5%) is responsible for 30% of the hospitalizations. Ok. That means the 95% that are vaccinated are making up the other 70% of hospitalizations. I know which group I would rather be in.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5797282]You are saying that the unvaccinated per centage of the population (5%) is responsible for 30% of the hospitalizations. Ok. That means the 95% that are vaccinated are making up the other 70% of hospitalizations. I know which group I would rather be in.[/QUOTE]Let me help you with the math. If 100% of the people are vaccinated, then there will be 0% unvaccinated people in the hospital. Try to keep up.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5797369]Let me help you with the math. If 100% of the people are vaccinated, then there will be 0% unvaccinated people in the hospital. Try to keep up.[/QUOTE]Garbage in, Garbage out. You made up numbers to begin with, which I've already proven false, and you're obviously too much of a redneck to understand that Bullett is actually on your side, and trying to help make your case. So I'd say you're the one riding on the short bus. Just like poor Bullett went around crying disinformation and became all Holier than thou saying he would not allow others to spread disinformation about how the vaccines were not preventing people from getting Covid, and how the vaccines did not actually prevent transmission, and how you weren't a good American and a good person if you didn't get the vaccine, you're all wet too. I wonder if Bullett, who kept citing false information put out by the lying CDC, who damn well knew the vaccines weren't preventing transmission, and finally went on record and admitted it (which forced him, who refused or was unable to think for himself before, to finally do the same), came to the same realization as the majority of other Americans, who according to this NBC poll, no longer believe the CDC (see p. 17):

[URL]https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21184709/220027-nbc-news-january-poll.pdf[/URL]

Americans are finally beginning to realize they've been lied to, and this pandemic has been used as a means of control, and Biden, which promised to unite this country, has used (or should I say been used?) this as an opportunity to create a great divide, and his party will suffer the consequences for years to come.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5797282]You are saying that the unvaccinated per centage of the population (5%) is responsible for 30% of the hospitalizations. Ok. That means the 95% that are vaccinated are making up the other 70% of hospitalizations. I know which group I would rather be in.[/QUOTE]He's saying bullshit numbers, which you're all too happy to swallow, just like you were about the vaccines preventing Covid, just like you were about the vaccines preventing transmission. Anything that will validate and justify your decision, and make you feel superior, so you can keep telling us how you're a better person based on the bullshit that we all know is false now. But that won't matter to you, you'll keep repeating the lies, and decrying the facts as "disinformation" and trying to shout it down and have it censored because you just can't stand to hear the truth. Tell me, did you cover your ears when the words came out of Walensky's mouth that the vaccines did not prevent transmission? Ouch, that must have hurt!

Look, I don't know your personal health situation nor do I want to know, so good for you if you feel good about your decision, I'm happy for you. But please stop trying to act like it's the right decision for everyone else, regardless of their health situation, based on your misinformation.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5796681]One person said it, so it must be true? How Trumpian. The Minister for Health in Iceland is certainly welcome to his opinion, but before you jump onto that bandwagon, have you considered what the Ministers of Health in the other 200+ countries have to say about it?

Or is a single data point enough for you to make a generalized conclusion?[/QUOTE]Hello Bullett, I see you've woken up from your nap. How ironic you would make that statement, when you were so quick to jump on the BS statistic put out here by one person here and take it as fact, simply because it was what you wanted to hear. But that's the way it works with you- you cover your eyes and ears from the plain facts and hard data when it's something you don't want to see or hear, but swallow bags of horse shit unquestioningly when it supports your side.

I do believe you accused me of wearing a "tin foil hat" earlier, when I cited references and statistics that showed the vaccines were not preventing transmission, and were never claimed to do so (by the vaccine manufacturer themselves). Yes, I told you your outdated citation from the Mayo Clinic claiming the contrary, and pumping this administrations narrative, all the way up until it just was not creible and fell apart, was not a credible source. Do you need a reminder?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5552312[/URL]#post5552312

Now, who was right? You still haven't been man enough to come out and admit you were wrong about the vaccine's ability to prevent transmission, and to apologize for your condescending, pious, and sanctimonious lecturing about how much better of a person you were for getting the vaccine than those who exercised their right of individual choice. No, you insisted you were not going to let "disinformation" be posted, and you were going to save the world with your superior knowledge. Now who was posting the disinformation? That's the problem with people like you, who would censor and decide what other people should see, and keep them in the dark. That is not scientific debate. You probably don't realize it, and I sure hope you don't mean it that way, but that is exactly how communism practices censorship and decides what the populace should and should not hear. I really can't believe that we have been allowing this to the extent we have in this country over the past couple years, and the damage it has done. If you want to get an idea of just how bad it's gotten, take a look at this article:

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-agencies-quietly-studying-reports-of-post-vaccination-neurological-issues_4262395.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-02-20-1&utm_medium=email&est=a7g8vDHfvXp6WDevH00I7BsA600WRYHtCWetwQ5T%2Bh51TYN%2BmxwP6OiMKecC[/URL]

This is really nothing new to anyone who's been keeping themselves informed, but it's pretty easy to miss in there that even a Clinical Director at the NIH can't even get published when he attempts to submit data that's damaging to the pro-vaccine agenda. That's a sad testament to the censorship that's taking place today. If you haven't already figured it out, there's big money at stake here, and your "trusted" CDC and FDA are highly compromised, and your health is not their #1 priority. As I already pointed out, most Americans have now figured that out, and no longer trust the CDC. You're apparently one of the last.

[URL]https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda-executive-officer-on-hidden-camera-reveals-future-covid-policy-biden/[/URL]

A single data point? My, my, you really have been asleep, haven't you Rip Van Winkle? Haven't you noticed that the vaccine mandates have been being repealed in many, many countries, including even here in our own, because the facts just don't justify them? It's not just Iceland, but Israel, the UK, Ireland, Denmark, and many others, with many more to follow. The dominos are falling. Even in Canada, where dictator wannabe Trudeau, who I'm sure you're in love with for trampling all over citizens' rights, just like Biden has here, has repealed the vaccine mandates in many provinces. Trudeau will soon get what's coming to him for his actions, just like Biden is reaping the consequences of his actions, as unfortunately so is the rest of our country. Here in this country, in case you haven't noticed, most of the mandates have been overturned, and most every city (Washington, Philadelphia, soon NY) is doing away with the passports as well.

When you're a big enough person to apologize and admit you were wrong, maybe then you'll have some credibility and I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, you're just "disinformation".

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5799654]Hello Bullett, I see you've woken up from your nap. How ironic you would make that statement, when you were so quick to jump on the BS statistic put out here by one person here and take it as fact, simply because it was what you wanted to hear. But that's the way it works with you- you cover your eyes and ears from the plain facts and hard data when it's something you don't want to see or hear, but swallow bags of horse shit unquestioningly when it supports your side.

I do believe you accused me of wearing a "tin foil hat" earlier, when I cited references and statistics that showed the vaccines were not preventing transmission, and were never claimed to do so (by the vaccine manufacturer themselves). Yes, I told you your outdated citation from the Mayo Clinic claiming the contrary, and pumping this administrations narrative, all the way up until it just was not creible and fell apart, was not a credible source. Do you need a reminder?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?11307-Rants-and-Raves&p=5552312[/URL]#post5552312

Now, who was right? You still haven't been man enough to come out and admit you were wrong about the vaccine's ability to prevent transmission, and to apologize for your condescending, pious, and sanctimonious lecturing about how much better of a person you were for getting the vaccine than those who exercised their right of individual choice. No, you insisted you were not going to let "disinformation" be posted, and you were going to save the world with your superior knowledge. Now who was posting the disinformation? That's the problem with people like you, who would censor and decide what other people should see, and keep them in the dark. That is not scientific debate. You probably don't realize it, and I sure hope you don't mean it that way, but that is exactly how communism practices censorship and decides what the populace should and should not hear. I really can't believe that we have been allowing this to the extent we have in this country over the past couple years, and the damage it has done. If you want to get an idea of just how bad it's gotten, take a look at this article:

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-agencies-quietly-studying-reports-of-post-vaccination-neurological-issues_4262395.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-02-20-1&utm_medium=email&est=a7g8vDHfvXp6WDevH00I7BsA600WRYHtCWetwQ5T%2Bh51TYN%2BmxwP6OiMKecC[/URL]

This is really nothing new to anyone who's been keeping themselves informed, but it's pretty easy to miss in there that even a Clinical Director at the NIH can't even get published when he attempts to submit data that's damaging to the pro-vaccine agenda. That's a sad testament to the censorship that's taking place today. If you haven't already figured it out, there's big money at stake here, and your "trusted" CDC and FDA are highly compromised, and your health is not their #1 priority. As I already pointed out, most Americans have now figured that out, and no longer trust the CDC. You're apparently one of the last.

[URL]https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda-executive-officer-on-hidden-camera-reveals-future-covid-policy-biden/[/URL]

A single data point? My, my, you really have been asleep, haven't you Rip Van Winkle? Haven't you noticed that the vaccine mandates have been being repealed in many, many countries, including even here in our own, because the facts just don't justify them? It's not just Iceland, but Israel, the UK, Ireland, Denmark, and many others, with many more to follow. The dominos are falling. Even in Canada, where dictator wannabe Trudeau, who I'm sure you're in love with for trampling all over citizens' rights, just like Biden has here, has repealed the vaccine mandates in many provinces. Trudeau will soon get what's coming to him for his actions, just like Biden is reaping the consequences of his actions, as unfortunately so is the rest of our country. Here in this country, in case you haven't noticed, most of the mandates have been overturned, and most every city (Washington, Philadelphia, soon NY) is doing away with the passports as well.

When you're a big enough person to apologize and admit you were wrong, maybe then you'll have some credibility and I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, you're just "disinformation".[/QUOTE]Sorry. You lost any credibility when you cited Project Veritas.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5799822]Sorry. You lost any credibility when you cited Project Veritas.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, because you don't believe an actual videotape of a verified FDA employee responsible for overseeing the EUA vaccine approvals explaining the "hundreds of millions of dollars they are paid by the pharmaceutical companies for approving their products", and the "recurring fountain of revenue" they'll receive by pushing the vaccines. That's real objectivity you're displaying there, but of course, I'm the one with no credibility. You're sounding an awful lot like Bullett, are you two brothers? No matter, just like Bullett, you'll be proven just as wrong in the long run.

Keep your blinders on, and your eyes and ears closed, lest you learn something that might frighten you- ooooh! Some people enjoy being treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and having shit shoveled on them.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5799654]Hello Bullett, I see you've woken up from your nap.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I was napping, in a sense, if you count anesthesia for some surgery to fix an old sports injury.

Rant on as you will, but the lessening of mask mandates currently happening around the country are the result of a sufficient percentage of the population being vaccinated. The areas that have not been able to forego their mask mandates are those with the lowest vaccination rates.

Perhaps it is the word "vaccine" that gets your panties into such a bunch. That is understandable; the shot is not a pure vaccine like the Sabin vaccine, but more of a deterrent, like the flu shot. Flu, which killed millions during World War I is still with us and changes form every year or so. We (well some of us) get flu shots annually to lessen the effects of the disease. Enough do so that the effect on everyone is lessened. Is that being superior or condescending? If you think so. But it is not out of the question that your health is due to the actions of others. You might consider being a bit more appreciative.

The same goes with the COVID "vaccination. " As time progresses and more people get the shot, the effects of the disease have been lessening. Fewer people are being hospitalized. Far fewer are dying. Like the flu, COVID may never actually go away. It may require a modified shot annually to help protect against the changing form of the disease, or it may not. It is too early to tell.

In the long term, there will still be too groups. I still know which group I will be in. I am comfortable with my choice and the consequences I will suffer if I am wrong. I hope you are too. I wish you good health.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5799922]Yes, of course, because you don't believe an actual videotape of a verified FDA employee responsible for overseeing the EUA vaccine approvals explaining the "hundreds of millions of dollars they are paid by the pharmaceutical companies for approving their products", and the "recurring fountain of revenue" they'll receive by pushing the vaccines. That's real objectivity you're displaying there, but of course, I'm the one with no credibility. You're sounding an awful lot like Bullett, are you two brothers? No matter, just like Bullett, you'll be proven just as wrong in the long run.

Keep your blinders on, and your eyes and ears closed, lest you learn something that might frighten you- ooooh! Some people enjoy being treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and having shit shoveled on them.[/QUOTE]Veritas has been caught editing and outright lying. They're no better than CBS news, in my opinion.