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This chick makes it seem like she's down. Dresses the part, sends you nudes, talks about having fun. Got a room in Venice and when it comes time to have "fun" she offers a massage and hand job and says next time more can be done. This was annoying as fuck. I told her she should have just been upfront like I asked so it wouldn't be a waste of time since she k we what I was wanting from the jump. She offers to just give me a handjob for a small tip. I agreed to make up for some Of the lost time. I asked if she could be nude and she said no, I asked her to be topless and she agreed but I wasn't allowed to you her and she then asked me if I had coconut oil (as if I carry it with me). I asked her how the fuck she was going to give me a massage if she didn't have her oils. I asked her to use the lotion from the hotel and starts comes over and starts giving a decent hand job. Midway through I look up and can't get a read on her face so I try to initiate some sort of talk so it doesn't seem so robotic. The minute I spoke she stops and says she's done. At this point I was pissed because it was bullshit after bullshit. She previously expected me to let her stay in the room and when I told her she needs to kick rocks too, she started babbling about thinking we had a connection and blah blah blah. At that point the only thing I would have accepted was a fuck or suck and when neither was offered, I told her she had to gtfo. She asked to wait a minute so she can find a ride. I have her 5 minutes and when nothing was happening I told her we needed to leave. She had the audacity to ask me for a ride. I agreed only so she would leave the room and when we got down to the car I told her it would probably not be a fun ride and that she can find her way home. She asked if I was really going to leave her stranded and I told her, she's from the area, she can figure it out. Drove off as the rain started again. Wasn't out a whole lot, but definitely a waste of time. Watch out for this one.

[QUOTE=ChefSolo;6282658]This chick makes it seem like she's down. Dresses the part, sends you nudes, talks about having fun. Got a room in Venice and when it comes time to have "fun" she offers a massage and hand job and says next time more can be done. This was annoying as fuck. I told her she should have just been upfront like I asked so it wouldn't be a waste of time since she k we what I was wanting from the jump. She offers to just give me a handjob for a small tip. I agreed to make up for some Of the lost time. I asked if she could be nude and she said no, I asked her to be topless and she agreed but I wasn't allowed to you her and she then asked me if I had coconut oil (as if I carry it with me). I asked her how the fuck she was going to give me a massage if she didn't have her oils. I asked her to use the lotion from the hotel and starts comes over and starts giving a decent hand job. Midway through I look up and can't get a read on her face so I try to initiate some sort of talk so it doesn't seem so robotic. The minute I spoke she stops and says she's done. At this point I was pissed because it was bullshit after bullshit. She previously expected me to let her stay in the room and when I told her she needs to kick rocks too, she started babbling about thinking we had a connection and blah blah blah. At that point the only thing I would have accepted was a fuck or suck and when neither was offered, I told her she had to gtfo. She asked to wait a minute so she can find a ride. I have her 5 minutes and when nothing was happening I told her we needed to leave. She had the audacity to ask me for a ride. I agreed only so she would leave the room and when we got down to the car I told her it would probably not be a fun ride and that she can find her way home. She asked if I was really going to leave her stranded and I told her, she's from the area, she can figure it out. Drove off as the rain started again. Wasn't out a whole lot, but definitely a waste of time. Watch out for this one.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking one for the team. I was intrigued by that profile, don't currently have a paid membership so I filed it away.

However. If you M&G someone first, you will avoid many of these sorts of problem. I always try, as HG suggests, to get a girl in my car ('for private discussions') and kiss her at the M&G. If she will do that (when I am 40+years older than her), she'll bang me at the FC.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6282909]Thanks for taking one for the team. I was intrigued by that profile, don't currently have a paid membership so I filed it away.

However. If you M&G someone first, you will avoid many of these sorts of problem. I always try, as HG suggests, to get a girl in my car ('for private discussions') and kiss her at the M&G. If she will do that (when I am 40+years older than her), she'll bang me at the FC.[/QUOTE]Yah, I totally flubbed this one. I was in a rush to get the deed done and she seemed so open in texts that I went against my normal procedures. Oh well. Could have been worse I guess and I'm glad I can get the warning out to others.

[QUOTE=ChefSolo;6282658]This chick makes it seem like she's down. Dresses the part, sends you nudes, talks about having fun. Got a room in Venice and when it comes time to have "fun" she offers a massage and hand job and says next time more can be done. This was annoying as fuck. I told her she should have just been upfront like I asked so it wouldn't be a waste of time since she k we what I was wanting from the jump. She offers to just give me a handjob for a small tip. I agreed to make up for some Of the lost time. I asked if she could be nude and she said no, I asked her to be topless and she agreed but I wasn't allowed to you her and she then asked me if I had coconut oil (as if I carry it with me). I asked her how the fuck she was going to give me a massage if she didn't have her oils. I asked her to use the lotion from the hotel and starts comes over and starts giving a decent hand job. Midway through I look up and can't get a read on her face so I try to initiate some sort of talk so it doesn't seem so robotic. The minute I spoke she stops and says she's done. At this point I was pissed because it was bullshit after bullshit. She previously expected me to let her stay in the room and when I told her she needs to kick rocks too, she started babbling about thinking we had a connection and blah blah blah. At that point the only thing I would have accepted was a fuck or suck and when neither was offered, I told her she had to gtfo. She asked to wait a minute so she can find a ride. I have her 5 minutes and when nothing was happening I told her we needed to leave. She had the audacity to ask me for a ride. I agreed only so she would leave the room and when we got down to the car I told her it would probably not be a fun ride and that she can find her way home. She asked if I was really going to leave her stranded and I told her, she's from the area, she can figure it out. Drove off as the rain started again. Wasn't out a whole lot, but definitely a waste of time. Watch out for this one.[/QUOTE]That is a bait and switch ripoff. I have had that happen once.

[QUOTE=ChefSolo;6282658]This chick makes it seem like she's down. Dresses the part, sends you nudes, talks about having fun. Got a room in Venice and when it comes time to have "fun" she offers a massage and hand job and says next time more can be done. This was annoying as fuck. I told her she should have just been upfront like I asked so it wouldn't be a waste of time since she k we what I was wanting from the jump. She offers to just give me a handjob for a small tip. I agreed to make up for some Of the lost time. I asked if she could be nude and she said no, I asked her to be topless and she agreed but I wasn't allowed to you her and she then asked me if I had coconut oil (as if I carry it with me). I asked her how the fuck she was going to give me a massage if she didn't have her oils. I asked her to use the lotion from the hotel and starts comes over and starts giving a decent hand job. Midway through I look up and can't get a read on her face so I try to initiate some sort of talk so it doesn't seem so robotic. The minute I spoke she stops and says she's done. At this point I was pissed because it was bullshit after bullshit. She previously expected me to let her stay in the room and when I told her she needs to kick rocks too, she started babbling about thinking we had a connection and blah blah blah. At that point the only thing I would have accepted was a fuck or suck and when neither was offered, I told her she had to gtfo. She asked to wait a minute so she can find a ride. I have her 5 minutes and when nothing was happening I told her we needed to leave. She had the audacity to ask me for a ride. I agreed only so she would leave the room and when we got down to the car I told her it would probably not be a fun ride and that she can find her way home. She asked if I was really going to leave her stranded and I told her, she's from the area, she can figure it out. Drove off as the rain started again. Wasn't out a whole lot, but definitely a waste of time. Watch out for this one.[/QUOTE]Never go with a "tantric" girl. They are the worst fucks. Had a season with one on PD this week and it was "don't open your eyes" while she's jerking, sucking and fucking. No connection and her riding me was pretty mechanical. Such a waste after at the start she talked up a big sensual game.

[QUOTE=ChefSolo;6282658]This chick makes it seem like she's down. Dresses the part, sends you nudes, talks about having fun. Got a room in Venice and when it comes time to have "fun" she offers a massage and hand job and says next time more can be done. [/QUOTE]After reading a few reviews about tantric girls I think tantric is just code for scammer.

Sweetpetite.

Attractive.

Fun.

Sexual.

Stripper.

Few rules.

No car.

Decent communicator.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/416f6195-9098-465a-91a4-ab1627eb140c[/URL]

Had my fill. Enjoy!

Don't ask me about $, that's up to you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0fac855c-0ff7-41ea-a169-052f00cc8375[/URL]

I spent a whole months membership messaging w / her on the site, never got her # or any indication she was too interested.

Not going to ask your financial arrangement. But I do find interesting in her bio she says "I know my worth. " I've always seen that phrase and related phrases as red flags. More or less the equivalent of "I'm holding out for the biggest spenders and willing to swat away guys till I get them. ".

Did you find that to be the case?

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6285686]Sweetpetite.

Attractive.

Fun.

Sexual.

Stripper.

Few rules.

No car.

Decent communicator.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/416f6195-9098-465a-91a4-ab1627eb140c[/URL]

Had my fill. Enjoy!

Don't ask me about $, that's up to you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Murrican;6290910]Not going to ask your financial arrangement. But I do find interesting in her bio she says "I know my worth. " I've always seen that phrase and related phrases as red flags. More or less the equivalent of "I'm holding out for the biggest spenders and willing to swat away guys till I get them. ".

Did you find that to be the case?[/QUOTE]Agreed it can be a red flag. . . I usually attribute it to being utr / pro, which is the case here. But, she accepted my first offer.

Could use some expert help here. I'm a longtime Seeker. I have great experiences in Europe and South America and I do it regularly. I can't believe the experiences I've had. I no longer go sightseeing when I travel. I just bang younger girls.

Tried to bring this closer to home in LA. I have had zero luck. Nada.

I'm a mid 40's guy, solid looking, sending out to 20-25 year olds.

Because I don't want to waste time, I don't say I'm looking for PPM but I do open by explaining I'm looking for someone to go to dinner with and spend time with after for an arrangement.

Already that has gotten me so few write backs. Like 5 percent. Whereas abroad it's like 25 percent.

Then when those who do write back say hi, I suggest 500 dollars.

And then I'm ghosted.

I asked one girl for feedback. She said she thinks I'm just looking for sex and she's looking for a relationship. Ok fair.

But anyways. Am I so off base here in LA looking for one night recurring meetings for 500? I'm surprised this is going so badly.

Anyone have a better formula?

[QUOTE=Murrican;6295638]Could use some expert help here. I'm a longtime Seeker. I have great experiences in Europe and South America and I do it regularly. I can't believe the experiences I've had. I no longer go sightseeing when I travel. I just bang younger girls.

Tried to bring this closer to home in LA. I have had zero luck. Nada.

I'm a mid 40's guy, solid looking, sending out to 20-25 year olds.

Because I don't want to waste time, I don't say I'm looking for PPM but I do open by explaining I'm looking for someone to go to dinner with and spend time with after for an arrangement.

Already that has gotten me so few write backs. Like 5 percent. Whereas abroad it's like 25 percent.

Then when those who do write back say hi, I suggest 500 dollars.

And then I'm ghosted.

I asked one girl for feedback. She said she thinks I'm just looking for sex and she's looking for a relationship. Ok fair.[/QUOTE]Keep doing just what you're doing.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6295638]Could use some expert help here. I'm a longtime Seeker. I have great experiences in Europe and South America and I do it regularly. I can't believe the experiences I've had. I no longer go sightseeing when I travel. I just bang younger girls.

Tried to bring this closer to home in LA. I have had zero luck. Nada.

I'm a mid 40's guy, solid looking, sending out to 20-25 year olds.

Because I don't want to waste time, I don't say I'm looking for PPM but I do open by explaining I'm looking for someone to go to dinner with and spend time with after for an arrangement.

Already that has gotten me so few write backs. Like 5 percent. Whereas abroad it's like 25 percent.

Then when those who do write back say hi, I suggest 500 dollars.

And then I'm ghosted.

I asked one girl for feedback. She said she thinks I'm just looking for sex and she's looking for a relationship. Ok fair.

But anyways. Am I so off base here in LA looking for one night recurring meetings for 500? I'm surprised this is going so badly.

Anyone have a better formula?[/QUOTE]25 percent replies is what I'm getting. Out of that, half I could get their numbers to text. 500 is pretty good and you should be able to get quite a few to agree to it unless you're going after the really hot girls.

[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;6296204]25 percent replies is what I'm getting. Out of that, half I could get their numbers to text. 500 is pretty good and you should be able to get quite a few to agree to it unless you're going after the really hot girls.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm surprised this isn't working better.

I have only 1 photo and it's blurred face so that might be it.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6297196]Yeah I'm surprised this isn't working better.

I have only 1 photo and it's blurred face so that might be it.[/QUOTE]I don't think that's it. I have one photo with face blurred, and I'm getting very good results. I have more than I can handle at the moment, they're all wondering why I'm so busy all the time.

If you like, PM me your opening messages and I'll give a critique.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6297196]Yeah I'm surprised this isn't working better.

I have only 1 photo and it's blurred face so that might be it.[/QUOTE]I have 2 photos, and 1 of them has me wearing a mask. Both are private so they have no idea what I look like when we start messaging. I'm mid-forties, but typically go for the 18-24 yr olds and have more numbers than I can follow up with. My profile is very to-the-point and leaves no room for confusion. For example, my headline is "The Seeder" and I message them first by telling them they have a sexy body, or complimenting their looks. After viewing my profile, they know exactly what I want and why I'm there. I started trying this direct approach about 4 years ago and have gotten far more interest from the girls with this profile than I had with my previous profile which was less direct and I *think* confused the girls into thinking I wanted to date. Remember: besides the sugar, a lot of those girls on Seeking are there to fuck too!

Also I'm down in OC, but I have just as much success with the LA girls with this approach.

Those of you have been doing this for a while, how much would you say the average meeting costs for a hot mid 20's girl?

[QUOTE=RanManCan;6297353]I don't think that's it. I have one photo with face blurred, and I'm getting very good results. I have more than I can handle at the moment, they're all wondering why I'm so busy all the time.

If you like, PM me your opening messages and I'll give a critique.[/QUOTE]Done. And thanks.

Started browsing SA and notice girls can do videos. Has this helped the site filter out the scammers or still quite a lot?

[QUOTE=CreamFire;6298517]Started browsing SA and notice girls can do videos. Has this helped the site filter out the scammers or still quite a lot?[/QUOTE]I see little use of that video feature. There are still many scammers, I am amazed by these: there are a huge # of profiles in the city "Roosevelt", there is no such place, and when you look at the profile, you can see they are fake - 1 photo, none or just a 1-sentence profile, etc.

This one quoted me $1.5 k ppm. Amazing golden pussy syndrome, LOL. I did not even respond. I am quite shocked that there may be some simps out there (not referring to anyone on this board as most of us are pretty savvy) that me be giving these girls ridiculous amounts or why else would they even think they can get this. Incredible.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/93b1c8fe-1ebc-4766-8295-e0e8fc21095b[/URL]

[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6297999]Those of you have been doing this for a while, how much would you say the average meeting costs for a hot mid 20's girl?[/QUOTE]There is no set answer to this. It depends on how hot the girl is. I find though that if you tell them while messaging "If you are okay with an allowance of xyz then we should continue to plan on meeting up. " If they tell you this is way too low, or ignore it means that they want a lot. In general 400-600 should get you good quality for girls this age. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6298936]There is no set answer to this. It depends on how hot the girl is. I find though that if you tell them while messaging "If you are okay with an allowance of xyz then we should continue to plan on meeting up. " If they tell you this is way too low, or ignore it means that they want a lot. In general 400-600 should get you good quality for girls this age. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Really? The only thing you are to that girl is a wallet? Why be on SA instead of going for blatant escorts on Humaniplex? If you negotiate w / a POT from seeking electronically, you are going to get her 'escort' pricing, as if she is doing what an escort does. Agree to have sex for money w / someone she's never met, who might be a troll or axe murderer. Doing that will just get [URL]seeking.com[/URL] in trouble for having escorts on it, and maybe get it shut down. That won't matter to you, because you'll just use HX or its successor. IT will screw me though, because girls who are not escorts I can have ongoing arrangements with won't be found there.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/638cd1f1-c3bd-449e-81b3-624eabe0c101[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6277820]Profile gone.[/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree.

I only do PPMs on SA. Never arrangements, because of my personal life.

But that doesn't mean I want an escort. I really do want to bang the girl next door who just needs a little financial boost. I don't want to bang the girl who has made it a profession.

I don't think they are the same thing just because money is exchanged for sex.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6299005]Really? The only thing you are to that girl is a wallet? Why be on SA instead of going for blatant escorts on Humaniplex? If you negotiate w / a POT from seeking electronically, you are going to get her 'escort' pricing, as if she is doing what an escort does. Agree to have sex for money w / someone she's never met, who might be a troll or axe murderer. Doing that will just get [URL]seeking.com[/URL] in trouble for having escorts on it, and maybe get it shut down. That won't matter to you, because you'll just use HX or its successor. IT will screw me though, because girls who are not escorts I can have ongoing arrangements with won't be found there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6299005]Really? Why be on SA instead of going for blatant escorts on Humaniplex? [/QUOTE]If I meet a SB for a while doing PPM, after that it is more of a GFE thing and I do help them with setting up their business. In counseling and also financially.

Example I meet a SB a few times in a few weeks so that she can get a newer car etc.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3b85de3e-1880-47f0-9025-4a64c2b1e569[/URL]

Had a past arrangement w / a dumb attorney at 3 k / mo.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6299606]I respectfully disagree.

I only do PPMs on SA. Never arrangements, because of my personal life.

But that doesn't mean I want an escort. I really do want to bang the girl next door who just needs a little financial boost. I don't want to bang the girl who has made it a profession.

I don't think they are the same thing just because money is exchanged for sex.[/QUOTE]IK they aren't the same thing, but my point is that when you approach a girl that way, you are really limiting yourself to those who are UTR escort types. If you don't publicly M&G a girl initially, I consider that an escort. I don't want to FC a girl who I want to get away from as soon as the deed is done, I am looking for someone whose company I genuinely enjoy, for the few limited hours per week I see her.

I've gotten full pix from her before, amazing. No idea about sugar.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dcff187e-f645-4cc3-8b0d-f95c45ab62fd[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6299005]Really? The only thing you are to that girl is a wallet? Why be on SA instead of going for blatant escorts on Humaniplex? If you negotiate w / a POT from seeking electronically, you are going to get her 'escort' pricing, as if she is doing what an escort does. Agree to have sex for money w / someone she's never met, who might be a troll or axe murderer. Doing that will just get [URL]seeking.com[/URL] in trouble for having escorts on it, and maybe get it shut down. That won't matter to you, because you'll just use HX or its successor. IT will screw me though, because girls who are not escorts I can have ongoing arrangements with won't be found there.[/QUOTE]I do not know what you are thinking but you do what works for you and continue to believe you are some White Knight rescuing these sugar babies and that they like you for your and are not in it for the money perhaps? Agreeing to have sex for money is all what websites like Seeking, Whats your Price, is all about. You have to be kidding yourself if you believe these girls are in it for free to meet nice older guys like us.

What I meant was that after you get the girls number and build repoire, then I get their number and take the conversation off line via phone and text. Eventually the cost comes up for how much the allowance will be whether it be per date or monthly / weekly. I would never get into a monthly allowance right off the bat though until I know I have a chemistry and I like the girl a lot. Using my method has prevented me from getting quoted a super high price if you merely ask them what they need. Many of the girls on the site do this part time and have regular jobs, and are okay initially with PPM and I am not getting escort pricing. I am getting long dates for these amounts. You are way overthinking this sorry.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6299836]I do not know what you are thinking but you do what works for you and continue to believe you are some White Knight rescuing these sugar babies and that they like you for your and are not in it for the money perhaps? Agreeing to have sex for money is all what websites like Seeking, Whats your Price, is all about. You have to be kidding yourself if you believe these girls are in it for free to meet nice older guys like us.

What I meant was that after you get the girls number and build repoire, then I get their number and take the conversation off line via phone and text. Eventually the cost comes up for how much the allowance will be whether it be per date or monthly / weekly. I would never get into a monthly allowance right off the bat though until I know I have a chemistry and I like the girl a lot. Using my method has prevented me from getting quoted a super high price if you merely ask them what they need. Many of the girls on the site do this part time and have regular jobs, and are okay initally with PPM and I am not getting escort pricing. I am getting long dates for these amounts. You are way overthinking this sorry.[/QUOTE]Mischaracterizes prior testimony.

I never said that. However, I have had long-term arrangements w / girls 30+ years my junior at small money, and they hung around me for multiple reasons, obviously not just the $. IK other people (not in CA) who have basically used SA to find long-term affairs w / girls 20+ their junior. Much is possible on the site.

Of course, I always have the first FC be rather specific in terms of what the activities will be and what the sugar will be. But if you at least talk to a girl about what a monthly allowance would be like, you make her feel better about it being not just sex-for-hire, rather a 'relationship' - mutually beneficial to be sure, but still, not just an escort. There are many girls who really want this for their own conscience, but of course they are also looking to get their own rocks off, whatever that means to them. Often, there is a fantasy in a POT about being w / a much older guy, either because he is experienced and will give them a peak sexual experience, something they've never gotten from boys they have dated, or because they are submissive and want someone who knows how to play that way. Fine, playing into a girl's kinks is a way for me to get quality pussy at a lower price point.

I never never never negotiate $ by text, only face to face. People are very brave typing into a keyboard. Just look at a site like this. Lots of flaming. In person, people don't want to be rejected, and if you have met someone, they are already invested somewhat in the interaction and are not as likely to ask crazy #s. If I can't get a girl to do that, if she demands to tell me what her allowance is by e-messaging, she is likely wanting to be a kept woman at 3 K / mo or greater, I can't hide that much $ from my SO anyway, so I can ghost and cut my losses.

I definitely am not overthinking this. I have had amazing women from seeking, I have posted some of their photos recently on the Richmond thread, I challenge you to show me you've done better with your approach, and I definitely have given them less $ than you could expect to pay for a top-notch escort. My goal in life is to nail as much high-quality pussy as I can, and that means looks, skills, and definitely not available just to anyone who has a big wallet. I am living the dream on SA.

I don't believe I'm a white knight. I don't believe I'm rescuing anyone. I don't believe these girls would prefer older guys if not got the money.

I'm actually not sure how you're inferring I believe any of these things.

All I said is that the distinction between a PPM girl on SA and a bonified professional escort is way more than semantic, and that I prefer the former. Beyond that I honestly don't know how you're extending what I'm saying to some of the things you think I'm saying.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6299836]I do not know what you are thinking but you do what works for you and continue to believe you are some White Knight rescuing these sugar babies and that they like you for your and are not in it for the money perhaps? Agreeing to have sex for money is all what websites like Seeking, Whats your Price, is all about. You have to be kidding yourself if you believe these girls are in it for free to meet nice older guys like us.
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Scammer link update on 1/16/23. Appears she deletes and makes new accounts a lot.

[QUOTE=Spector888;6299294][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/638cd1f1-c3bd-449e-81b3-624eabe0c101[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spector888;6299294][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/638cd1f1-c3bd-449e-81b3-624eabe0c101[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this, keep watching out for her. I had my worst scam / threat / rob ever from her A month ago and freaked the fuck out. Couldn't find more to post and glad someone else is warning. Plaster her pic everywhere Far beyond just a scam.

So I tried SecretBenefits the past few weeks to see what the alternatives were to SA and it was 98% trash. Most of the received emails were generic prompts and never replied and the secret pics weren't worth unlocking either. I talked to one on there and it was interesting, to say the least sure. She was escorting but tried to mask it. I dint really care just could have been real about it. Finally got fed up and requested a refund. It was given immediately, something tells me they know the site is set up dishonestly.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6299937]I don't believe I'm a white knight. I don't believe I'm rescuing anyone. I don't believe these girls would prefer older guys if not got the money.

I'm actually not sure how you're inferring I believe any of these things.

All I said is that the distinction between a PPM girl on SA and a bonified professional escort is way more than semantic, and that I prefer the former. Beyond that I honestly don't know how you're extending what I'm saying to some of the things you think I'm saying.[/QUOTE]No no, he wasn't implying that is you, he was implying that is me.

I can say I definitely don't view myself as this 'white knight', and the whole tone of that post to me fits into one mindset you see on here sometime. Guys who are pretty disrespectful of the women they are banging, and the guys who post here don't follow their world-view, and prescriptions. I have a theory about those who cannot distinguish a SB from an escort or even a SW. I wonder if they've ever had a real relationship w / a woman. A GF, a wife, whatever. If their only experience ever has been that they have to pay for sex, I can see how a SB wouldn't look too different from a girl on the stroll. I've been married twice and have had a lot of relationships (I am retirement age), and a lot of pretty good sex. I can say that some of the best sex of my life has come since I've joined SA. The fact is, it is easier to find someone with whom you are very sexually compatible (and don't have to worry about the rest) that it is to find someone who you are going to have a committed relationship with, with all of the components.

I saw a 27 year old for many many months coming out of the pandemic. She relocated for a job. We had a great relationship generally and amazing sex. She visits her parents back in this area now and then. We get together because we simply cannot keep our hands off one another. We still have smoking hot sex just like we were when she was my regular. She decries any and all of the men she is currently considering, either regular or sugar dating, and specifically says I treat her better than anyone ever has. And that doesn't have anything to do with $. Where did I learn this? Two marriages. Like anyone I spend time with who I care about, I enjoy providing treats that IK she values. This was and is a relationship w / emotional, physical, and intellectual components. I would never have gotten to develop all that w / her if I hadn't been providing sugar, of course. She is still very grateful for the funds I provided, which helped her move to her new job. We'll always be significant to one another. I have GFs from my single days between my marriages, when they have gotten divorced, they always seem to contact me (through professional channels like LinkedIn) to 'see what I am up to these days'.

My only attitude / approach that endears me to women is that I treat them nicely and with respect and consideration, and I genuinely receive pleasure from giving to them. If that isn't one of your strengths, you'll have to take a different approach. I have no doubt there are some great 'swordsmen' on seeking who are doing great b / c they are really good looking and they have skills as pick-up artists. I wish I learned about arrangements (and that [URL]seeking.com[/URL] had existed) when I was in my 40's. I have been an active SD since 2016.

[QUOTE=Murrican;6299937]I don't believe I'm a white knight. I don't believe I'm rescuing anyone. I don't believe these girls would prefer older guys if not got the money.

I'm actually not sure how you're inferring I believe any of these things.

All I said is that the distinction between a PPM girl on SA and a bonified professional escort is way more than semantic, and that I prefer the former. Beyond that I honestly don't know how you're extending what I'm saying to some of the things you think I'm saying.[/QUOTE]Murrican, settle down. My response, if you would have read, was directed in reply to member Far Far Away's comment to my post. In fact his comment is posted above my reply. I am actually in agreement with you. So, please apologize, LOL. But, in all seriousness, no it was not a comment meant for you. We are on the same page.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;6298936]There is no set answer to this. It depends on how hot the girl is. I find though that if you tell them while messaging "If you are okay with an allowance of xyz then we should continue to plan on meeting up. " If they tell you this is way too low, or ignore it means that they want a lot. In general 400-600 should get you good quality for girls this age. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Got it, thank you!

Good man.

You're another person I wish I could grab a beer with.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6300008]No no, he wasn't implying that is you, he was implying that is me.

I can say I definitely don't view myself as this 'white knight', and the whole tone of that post to me fits into one mindset you see on here sometime. Guys who are pretty disrespectful of the women they are banging, and the guys who post here don't follow their world-view, and prescriptions. I have a theory about those who cannot distinguish a SB from an escort or even a SW. I wonder if they've ever had a real relationship w / a woman. A GF, a wife, whatever. If their only experience ever has been that they have to pay for sex, I can see how a SB wouldn't look too different from a girl on the stroll. I've been married twice and have had a lot of relationships (I am retirement age), and a lot of pretty good sex. I can say that some of the best sex of my life has come since I've joined SA. The fact is, it is easier to find someone with whom you are very sexually compatible (and don't have to worry about the rest) that it is to find someone who you are going to have a committed relationship with, with all of the components.

I saw a 27 year old for many many months coming out of the pandemic. She relocated for a job. We had a great relationship generally and amazing sex. She visits her parents back in this area now and then. We get together because we simply cannot keep our hands off one another. We still have smoking hot sex just like we were when she was my regular. She decries any and all of the men she is currently considering, either regular or sugar dating, and specifically says I treat her better than anyone ever has. And that doesn't have anything to do with $. Where did I learn this? Two marriages. Like anyone I spend time with who I care about, I enjoy providing treats that IK she values. This was and is a relationship w / emotional, physical, and intellectual components. I would never have gotten to develop all that w / her if I hadn't been providing sugar, of course. She is still very grateful for the funds I provided, which helped her move to her new job. We'll always be significant to one another. I have GFs from my single days between my marriages, when they have gotten divorced, they always seem to contact me (through professional channels like LinkedIn) to 'see what I am up to these days'.

My only attitude / approach that endears me to women is that I treat them nicely and with respect and consideration, and I genuinely receive pleasure from giving to them. If that isn't one of your strengths, you'll have to take a different approach. I have no doubt there are some great 'swordsmen' on seeking who are doing great b / c they are really good looking and they have skills as pick-up artists. I wish I learned about arrangements (and that [URL]seeking.com[/URL] had existed) when I was in my 40's. I have been an active SD since 2016.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Murrican;6299606]I respectfully disagree.

I only do PPMs on SA. Never arrangements, because of my personal life.

But that doesn't mean I want an escort. I really do want to bang the girl next door who just needs a little financial boost. I don't want to bang the girl who has made it a profession.

I don't think they are the same thing just because money is exchanged for sex.[/QUOTE]They aren't the same by a long shot. Just very difficult to find. But not impossible. Or find the girl that has just decided to go the pro route and you just happen to be the first in line. It happens.