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I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.
They send you a message that reads and I quote.
"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".
Rose Smile.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/170535be-733b-4001-8198-d7feb7af8704[/URL]
I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.
[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6535332]I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.[/QUOTE]Eh the bots are always there and easy to spot. New girl today with "Love to hit up the bars" in the About Me section.
Age: 19.
Drinks: Non Drinker.
What?
I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?
[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6535332]I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.
They send you a message that reads and I quote.
"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".
Rose Smile.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/170535be-733b-4001-8198-d7feb7af8704[/URL]
I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's been brutal. I hate that site so much LOL.
LOL, if it's skinny hot Chinese model and send you message, skip or block then repeat.
I've been getting message from Ukraine and Colombia babes, a lot; I am not interested in video chatting and jerking off in from of my laptop since I am not flying to Bogota / Medelline or Kyiv.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6535625]I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?[/QUOTE]I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.
A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.
Then see where it goes. LOL.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ad3d8efe-7407-4088-837d-3d8608b66984[/URL]
[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6536049]I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.
A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6536358]Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.[/QUOTE]I got all my best advice from Darkhosis ;) . And I'm not the one seeking advice, btw.
Sugar is time-consuming. And it's partly a numbers game. So many of the girls are just flakes, and terrible communicators, so you kind of have to cast a wide net. Which can backfire. You'll need to be organized and keep track of their details. They hate when you're ignoring something they already told you. Most of them are mentally unsound. Actually, I think we all are.
Sometimes, you get lucky and within hours, you're on a date with intimacy. Usually an exception. The best quality relationships I've developed took weeks to get to a first date. But if you haven't set up a burner phone number account, you should. There's plenty of risk involved, so protecting your identity can be important. Blackmail is a *****.
Also, the site will permanently ban you if you get caught discussing any kind of intimacy with the notion of compensation. The moment you see the "PPM" or similar language on the site's messaging, you need to move that conversation offsite. They don't just ban your account from both Seeking and WYP, but your IP address, and MAC (machine) address, I think. It happened to a friend. I had to create an account for him, he paid me for the subscription, and has to use VPN to access it. I took the risk, but it worked.
Other advice: Don't make an offer purely on texting. They'll probably refuse you if they want a certain amount that's above your threshold. Your goal should be to meet them first, establish chemistry and connection, then negotiate. It helps if you get them a couple of drinks first. At least that's what works well for me. I've negotiated plenty of intimate first dates without meeting first, but I've found much better success having a lunch or drinks then graduating the tension to intimacy. DM if you like. Happy to dispel terrible advice.
[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6536498]Most of them are mentally unsound.[/QUOTE]No shit. I've got an ex SB (from about ten years ago) who at random intervals blows up my phone and email with fairly extravagant threats unless I pay her insanely huge sums of money. I just tell her to go ahead and do whatever she wants to do and block the numbers and email. As far as I can tell she is now homeless and whenever she gets or steals a phone she starts shaking people down.
A few months ago she was on a tear. I gave some of the emails to the local cops. Their reaction, and I quote, was, "what a whackjob!" Of course they didn't do anything.
My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.
I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;6536560]My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.
I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.[/QUOTE]I have found lots of success with the 30+ crowd too (I'm late 40's). I don't think they get nearly the attention on there as the 18-25 crowd. Hot single moms, gym rats, tired of dating losers, know how to fuck and they are in great shape for their age.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6535625]I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? [b][color=red]Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?[/color][/b][/QUOTE]DUDE! [u]NEVER and I mean [b]NEVER[/b] talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site![/u] Period! You do that and you violate the TOS, the BOTs that scan every message will catch you and you will get banned! Talk general stuff and get her to agree to communicate offsite where you can discuss PPM or allowance. Most of the time the best advice is save that discussion for a Meet & Greet (M&G) for several reasons.
First scammers, rip-off artists and Pro's aren't going to waste time with M&Gs. Never agree to pay for a M&G as this is in essence a 'job interview. ' Asking for funds for a M&G is a sure sign of a rinser.
Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.
Finally, the best "education" one can get comes from what is / was the defacto (first & only) SB board / thread in Richmond VA. A kind dude or two scraped that thread and created a new one with all of the best advice on "how to" sugar date. More info than one can absorb in one sitting but a PhD level of knowledge there. Just like any skill, you get out of Sugaring what you put into it, time wise.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
But seriously, if you are looking for the real LT, intimate Sugar Dating experience, one needs to distinguish them self from the numbnuts and Neanderthals who send dick picks, treat girls like prostitutes or think these girls are just an upgrade to escorts. In other words if your focus is purely "PPM and move on to the next", then one should be playing in the escort area. Then again, more guys who treat girls badly, just makes it easier for those of us who play the game right.
I will be meeting up with my first sugar baby soon. I will give a review on my first time experience with a semi-pro to non pro. I'm not exactly sure which she is. We have been talking for a few days and I definitely am not getting pro vibes since she hasn't barely even mentioned money. Time will tell.
Holy fuck. So I finally met this girl I meet on seeking and she definitely didn't smell like drugs or anything and she was an absolute bombshell Asian. She got in my car and we talked for a little bit and then drove back to my house. We were just chillin on the couch and I got up to take a piss came back and got back on the sofa. She was on the floor on her phone. I was just laying there and she starts putting her shoes on and says "I got to go. My brother is here". Apparently her brother comes to where I live. In the same neighborhood from what she told me as we were driving in. She literally RUNS. I mean literally starts running when she gets outside! I hadn't even touched her or anything. I'm literally sitting in here in disbelief at what just happened and was quite frightened! I immediately locked the door when she got out of the door because I was afraid this guy was coming here for her!?
The craziest part about all of this is she didn't even once ask me for money! She told me she wouldn't take anything less then 400 online and I said that's fair. In person she didn't bring up money not one time. I would have gladly paid her. I am having trouble understanding what in the world is going on. I'm a bit frightened for her mental health right now.
So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke!
Do you mind posting a link so we know who to avoid? Thank you.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6538523]So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6537370]DUDE! [u]NEVER and I mean [b]NEVER[/b] talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site![/u] Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.
[/QUOTE]Yeah talking numbers on SA is definitely a no-no.
About you second point, you can not mention both, PPM and sexual items [u]together[/u].
I try not to discuss PPM at all on text, not necessarily because I am afraid of the paper trail, the kind of girls I like usually don't do it.
That being said my last two additions to my SB rotation that are both sizzling hot and crazy in bed both brought PPM conversation on text, I measured the risk and the context and I decided to keep talking, boy that was a great decision.
We discussed much later sex acts as one wanted test results, but more on the lines of what you like and such, not like what does it include ;)
I usually bring the what to expect by telling all the nasty stuff I want to do to them, (always start describing how I would eat their pussy) if they reply like I cant wait, I know I am golden, some actually stop the convo, which is good as I rather figure we are incompatible before hand, I never explicitly mention BB for example but my description would only make sense if we are fucking bare
Sugaring is a lot more case by case situation than the hobby.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6538523]So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke![/QUOTE]
Uh, a first meet at 5 AM at a park and ride ls weird. Men are much more comfortable with being transactional, most women aren't. You should have met for dinner / coffee / drinks first and shown yourself as a normal person. Understand the psychology of a young woman being in a high stress situation. She probably had crazy levels of anxiety about going to a complete stranger's house to be naked and vulnerable, for money. They convince themselves it's easy money, but it's not so simple. When the moment comes, and it becomes more than just texting, instinct can take over.
[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6538892]Uh, a first meet at 5 AM at a park and ride ls weird. Men are much more comfortable with being transactional, most women aren't. You should have met for dinner / coffee / drinks first and shown yourself as a normal person. Understand the psychology of a young woman being in a high stress situation. She probably had crazy levels of anxiety about going to a complete stranger's house to be naked and vulnerable, for money. They convince themselves it's easy money, but it's not so simple. When the moment comes, and it becomes more than just texting, instinct can take over.[/QUOTE]I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, THIS is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.
Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.
Life pro tip. Works for both SA and WYP.
Problem: When I first created my account on SA, I lied about my age, figuring I'd land in searches more if I picked a younger number. It was all well and good until I decided to get verified. Boom! Suddenly I was 13 years older, and all my contacts could see that my age changed. I was regretting it. I eventually closed my account to stop sugar for a while (for other reasons).
When I created my new account, knowing this age / verification issue, I used generic images with no face, a lame description just to get the account established. The age was accurate, and I purposefully made the guy poor, with little net worth. That was so I could see who would still take interest. It was an eye opener! I was only using it in the free mode to slowly get back into sugaring. When I decided to go premium, several things happened. Including getting my account suspended.
I changed too many things at once when I started spiffing up my profile to go real again: income / net worth, images, descriptions. I even used a couple of AI images I generated that resembled me as a sort of joke. It was too much for the bots, and my account got suspended within minutes. So I engaged support, and they got me back on track, but I was able to keep my AI images as part of the unhidden images, with my real images being private (they resemble each other, and I only show a half-face with the AI images. I do not recommend).
I used that opportunity during account suspension and support follow-up to ask if there was a way to avoid having my age change once I'm verified and found out they will issue a "one-time" change of age request after getting verified.
Solution: get verified, then request support to change your age to whatever makes the most sense for you. They will do that.
Some of you have issues with the verification process. I find it helps ease the conversation more. Who knows for sure? The bigger issue I am having now that I'm live and unhidden briefly for two cities is filling in the gap of 13 years once the convos get involved. Not a big deal, but a little dishonesty can cause more issues later, so YMMV.
[QUOTE=Michael1967;6538974]I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, this is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.
Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]It was pretty much her idea. She messaged me on Snapchat at 3 am saying she just had coffee and was wide awake! She and I are both night owls and we talked about that. She told me that she was "bored" and blah blah blah so I offered to go for a night drive with her since she told me she likes those so much. Bottom line is I think mental health really was the issue here cause I didn't force her in my car.
Or maybe she just changed her mind. When people talk online, they develop an impression of each other. Maybe you looked or sounded different than she expected and 5 minutes in to the date, she wanted out. I've had people block me after a Snapchat call and I've definitely walked out of hotels, homes, and restaurants after seeing or hearing someone in person. What's worse: sticking around for a few hours wasting everyone's time or just getting out? Plus, if she's antisocial, there is a good chance she got overstimulated and freaked out. I wouldn't call it a mental health problem just yet.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6539214]It was pretty much her idea. She messaged me on Snapchat at 3 am saying she just had coffee and was wide awake! She and I are both night owls and we talked about that. She told me that she was "bored" and blah blah blah so I offered to go for a night drive with her since she told me she likes those so much. Bottom line is I think mental health really was the issue here cause I didn't force her in my car.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Michael1967;6538974]I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, THIS is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.
Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]That was me, and ironically I'll admit that I picked up a girl for a date in my car (five months later I'm still seeing her). I think the point here is that experience determines what works for you but take it case by case, as ElToro wrote. It's just not like the other board where there are a lot more procedures most people follow. The appeal of non-pros is that it feels like dating. You have to lead the discussion because most of women I encountered either just started or had been doing it for just a couple months. After all a lot of these women have some form of daddy issues, they want that type of relationship.
[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6539814]That was me, and ironically I'll admit that I picked up a girl for a date in my car (five months later I'm still seeing her). I think the point here is that experience determines what works for you but take it case by case, as ElToro wrote. It's just not like the other board where there are a lot more procedures most people follow. The appeal of non-pros is that it feels like dating. You have to lead the discussion because most of women I encountered either just started or had been doing it for just a couple months. After all a lot of these women have some form of daddy issues, they want that type of relationship.[/QUOTE]I will add that it was her idea. She texted me at 3 am that she just had coffee and was wide awake! And was "bored ya know".
I met my second girl last night. A girl who has only been on the board for about a week or so from my memory. I don't want to log back into the site as I don't have a use for it anymore. She is a total non pro. There was no discussions of PPM or any terminology or anything. She just wants help with her bills and showed me some of them that she wants help with. She is a good girl. This is definitely what I was looking for. I thought it would be much harder honestly to find this. Kicking myself for not trying earlier. I just thought it would be like Tinder. Impossible to get a good looking girls attention. This has elements of regular dating / tinder mixed into it. Unless the girls photos are all of her without a head shot and in her lingerie you don't know if she's a pro or not so if you just shoot a PPM she may get offended and never respond to you.
[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6539826]I will add that it was her idea. She texted me at 3 am that she just had coffee and was wide awake! And was "bored ya know".
I met my second girl last night. A girl who has only been on the board for about a week or so from my memory. I don't want to log back into the site as I don't have a use for it anymore. She is a total non pro. There was no discussions of PPM or any terminology or anything. She just wants help with her bills and showed me some of them that she wants help with. She is a good girl. This is definitely what I was looking for. I thought it would be much harder honestly to find this. Kicking myself for not trying earlier. I just thought it would be like Tinder. Impossible to get a good looking girls attention. This has elements of regular dating / tinder mixed into it. Unless the girls photos are all of her without a head shot and in her lingerie you don't know if she's a pro or not so if you just shoot a PPM she may get offended and never respond to you.[/QUOTE]The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.
I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6537370]DUDE! [u]NEVER and I mean [b]NEVER[/b] talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site![/u] Period! You do that and you violate the TOS, the BOTs that scan every message will catch you and you will get banned! Talk general stuff and get her to agree to communicate offsite where you can discuss PPM or allowance. Most of the time the best advice is save that discussion for a Meet & Greet (M&G) for several reasons.
First scammers, rip-off artists and Pro's aren't going to waste time with M&Gs. Never agree to pay for a M&G as this is in essence a 'job interview. ' Asking for funds for a M&G is a sure sign of a rinser.
Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.
Finally, the best "education" one can get comes from what is / was the defacto (first & only) SB board / thread in Richmond VA. A kind dude or two scraped that thread and created a new one with all of the best advice on "how to" sugar date. More info than one can absorb in one sitting but a PhD level of knowledge there. Just like any skill, you get out of Sugaring what you put into it, time wise.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
But seriously, if you are looking for the real LT, intimate Sugar Dating experience, one needs to distinguish them self from the numbnuts and Neanderthals who send dick picks, treat girls like prostitutes or think these girls are just an upgrade to escorts. In other words if your focus is purely "PPM and move on to the next", then one should be playing in the escort area. Then again, more guys who treat girls badly, just makes it easier for those of us who play the game right.[/QUOTE]Tyrone is never nice. Why his salami gets wet before " daddy's. LOL.
[QUOTE=HelloThar;6540167]The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.
I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.[/QUOTE]Yea. I hear you on the 700 ppm. I have not seen her a second time yet. So only time will tell how the financing of it will all go. I agree it's a huge risk cause they could be a bot and / or a scammer of some kind. Until you physically meet them you simply have no idea if they are even real.
[QUOTE=HelloThar;6540167]The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.
I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.[/QUOTE]The first one I got said on SA," ppm?" I said, sure, she said a number, I said " ok " and SA said nada. Maybe we slipped though the cracks. Ladies on SA want money, there's a recession.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4dd0905c-f586-42df-8634-d2094eI[/URL]
Seems real and nice but I'm always wary of older profiles. Usually jaded or a pro or GPS.
[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6540693][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4dd0905c-f586-42df-8634-d2094eI[/URL]
Seems real and nice but I'm always wary of older profiles. Usually jaded or a pro or GPS.[/QUOTE]Well never mind. Bad link and she's now blocked me so answered my question LOL.
[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6540693][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4dd0905c-f586-42df-8634-d2094eI[/URL]
Seems real and nice but I'm always wary of older profiles. Usually jaded or a pro or GPS.[/QUOTE]Link does not work. I think you sent a URL to your messages. See above.
[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6540693][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4dd0905c-f586-42df-8634-d2094eI[/URL]
Seems real and nice but I'm always wary of older profiles. Usually jaded or a pro or GPS.[/QUOTE]You linked your messages not her profile.
[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6540693][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/4dd0905c-f586-42df-8634-d2094eI[/URL]
Seems real and nice but I'm always wary of older profiles. Usually jaded or a pro or GPS.[/QUOTE]Check your link. It goes to messages.
[QUOTE=Toomgis;6540982]Check your link. It goes to messages.[/QUOTE]Yeah I noticed as soon as it posted but as she has since blocked me I can't post her actual profile LOL.
Sammy468.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/df3d2f70-e3ae-4ee5-96e7-f231a8251e71[/URL]
Larger than her pics suggest. Was ok with 250 ppm+plan b money. No transportation, have to pick her up in Auburn. Started hitting me up soon after asking for more meetings.
Yourprincessxx.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5d50618d-9fae-43ac-9b2e-a3dfb10041fa[/URL]
350 ppm, cool with bare, but not on BC. Short and thicker than her pics suggest.
Off_lily2.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/515b8dde-76a9-4d5a-ac8b-98f845f5c5d7[/URL]
Was cool with $250 ppm. Agreed to meet, but ghosted last minute. From conversation I think this was probably a long shot and she wasnt really sure, but it could be my specific requests.
Babydoll.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6131b6f-9b03-4198-8907-d61b864ee8af[/URL]
GPS, wanted $500/ hr for meets. Could probably be talked down but previously had a sugar daddy that paid her to just talk and she is very choose of who can have her body. LOL.
Hellokittybabiee.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4ceaf381-8529-40e7-a3af-2cd40dc63903[/URL]
Was cool with $300 ppm. After agreeing kinda the same issue as Off_lily2, just couldn't get with the program.
AllisonWonderland.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0672bc20-b271-40d4-9a1c-6fde23ef354c[/URL]
Requires 2 compensated meetings before anything sexual to establish trust. Pass.
Lavieenrose.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e502d7bc-9954-445f-b5b7-b0e8868e1bfd[/URL]
Seems real enough but takes forever to respond. Pass.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/72483246-32fa-439e-b887-e7430bdd982b[/URL]
You dudes hit up the youngsters and wonder why all the hassle and drama.
I prefer 28 minimum, I usually shop in the 30+. Haven't had much trouble at all.
[QUOTE=PostQpdx;6541498]Sammy468.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/df3d2f70-e3ae-4ee5-96e7-f231a8251e71[/URL]
Larger than her pics suggest. Was ok with 250 ppm+plan b money. No transportation, have to pick her up in Auburn. Started hitting me up soon after asking for more meetings.
Yourprincessxx.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5d50618d-9fae-43ac-9b2e-a3dfb10041fa[/URL]
350 ppm, cool with bare, but not on BC. Short and thicker than her pics suggest.
Off_lily2.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/515b8dde-76a9-4d5a-ac8b-98f845f5c5d7[/URL]
Was cool with $250 ppm. Agreed to meet, but ghosted last minute. From conversation I think this was probably a long shot and she wasnt really sure, but it could be my specific requests.
Babydoll.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6131b6f-9b03-4198-8907-d61b864ee8af[/URL]
GPS, wanted $500/ hr for meets. Could probably be talked down but previously had a sugar daddy that paid her to just talk and she is very choose of who can have her body. LOL.
Hellokittybabiee.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4ceaf381-8529-40e7-a3af-2cd40dc63903[/URL]
Was cool with $300 ppm. After agreeing kinda the same issue as Off_lily2, just couldn't get with the program.
AllisonWonderland.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0672bc20-b271-40d4-9a1c-6fde23ef354c[/URL]
Requires 2 compensated meetings before anything sexual to establish trust. Pass.
Lavieenrose.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e502d7bc-9954-445f-b5b7-b0e8868e1bfd[/URL]
Seems real enough but takes forever to respond. Pass.[/QUOTE]
Watch out for a girl by the name of "LatinaK" She is a scammer. I admit I got scammed. Was the second girl I met off this site. I should have just listened to my gut.
[QUOTE=Money420;6542887]You dudes hit up the youngsters and wonder why all the hassle and drama.
I prefer 28 minimum, I usually shop in the 30+. Haven't had much trouble at all.[/QUOTE]You're not wrong but at least for me I'm not really digging the older women (unless they are total smokeshows) because honestly I feel that I could get a 37 year old divorcee with kids normally. Why pay for it? Part of the appeal is getting that college woman who I couldn't get otherwise.