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[QUOTE=LexLuther]In economics, we don't characterize businesses as elastic or inelastic. We speak of elasticity with regard to the demand and/or supply curve. What is being postulated in recent postings here is that the demand curve for the services that AMPs provide is highly elastic. If the demand curve for AMP services were truly elastic, it would mean that a relatively small increase in the cost of those services would result in a relatively large decrease in the quantity of those services demanded.

However we need to keep in mind that there are normally three factors which influence price elasticity of demand for a particular good or service.

The first and perhaps most influential factor which influences demand price elasticity is the availability of substitutes. The classic example given to explain this is that if the price of coffee were to go up, people could switch to tea. So in this instance the demand curve for coffee would be characterized as elastic. However with AMP services, there are few if any substitutes for what is available at an AMP, unless you are the kind of guy who likes SW's or escorts, which I maintain is not the case for most AMP afficianados.

The second factor which is important in determining the elasticity of demand for a good or service is the amount of income available to spend on it. This must be considered in relation to the increase in the cost of that good or service. I maintain that for the average AMP-goer, an increase of say $20 or even $40 per visit is a negligible increase and will likely not cause consumers to reduce their demand for this service.

The third factor in determining demand elasticity is time. For example, if the price of petroleum products were to rise, in the long run, people could moderate their demand for the product by buying more fuel-efficient cars, driving less, car-pooling, etc. But they could not do this overnight. I maintain that with respect to the AMP industry, time does not serve to make the demand curve elastic.

QED, the demand curve for AMP services is not highly elastic.

LexLuther[/QUOTE]

Very good explanation and I bow to your Economic ferver. However, my alternative to the 2nd factor is porn... It's cheaper, more varietal and I can choose my style!

But, I will say that your explanation trumps mine!

Van

But still wrong...

Now, assume I have $160 per month to dedicate to these activities and I do so once per month. That means I have 12X160 or $1,920 per year for all this and I provide these girls with income from me 12 times.

SO - they raise the price just $20, which you say is no big deal. Now my $1,920 must be divided by 180 which comes out to be just 10 and two thirds sessions per year.

Since that is not really acceptable to me, I would be hitting up the available action of CL which will take care of me for $150 or less and then I will be able to take care of business 12.8 times per year or more and the AMP girls will LOSE that $1,920.

In truth, I would be doing some of each to cure my itch but STILL the AMP would LOSE whatever money I spend on the CL trade.

Comparing this to gas for the car of food for the kitchen is simply piss poor thinking because, if need be, I can take care of the itch manually and not spend ANY cash and I CANNOT take care of the gas for the car or the food for the kitchen on my own.

THAT is the fact of life in this case and in this arena. ANYTHING else is just so much head noise (or keyboard clicking) and not worth the time spent doing so.

Peace!

JJ

[QUOTE=LexLuther]In economics, we don't characterize businesses as elastic or inelastic. We speak of elasticity with regard to the demand and/or supply curve. What is being postulated in recent postings here is that the demand curve for the services that AMPs provide is highly elastic. If the demand curve for AMP services were truly elastic, it would mean that a relatively small increase in the cost of those services would result in a relatively large decrease in the quantity of those services demanded.

However we need to keep in mind that there are normally three factors which influence price elasticity of demand for a particular good or service.

The first and perhaps most influential factor which influences demand price elasticity is the availability of substitutes. The classic example given to explain this is that if the price of coffee were to go up, people could switch to tea. So in this instance the demand curve for coffee would be characterized as elastic. However with AMP services, there are few if any substitutes for what is available at an AMP, unless you are the kind of guy who likes SW's or escorts, which I maintain is not the case for most AMP afficianados.

The second factor which is important in determining the elasticity of demand for a good or service is the amount of income available to spend on it. This must be considered in relation to the increase in the cost of that good or service. I maintain that for the average AMP-goer, an increase of say $20 or even $40 per visit is a negligible increase and will likely not cause consumers to reduce their demand for this service.

The third factor in determining demand elasticity is time. For example, if the price of petroleum products were to rise, in the long run, people could moderate their demand for the product by buying more fuel-efficient cars, driving less, car-pooling, etc. But they could not do this overnight. I maintain that with respect to the AMP industry, time does not serve to make the demand curve elastic.

QED, the demand curve for AMP services is not highly elastic.

LexLuther[/QUOTE]

JJ,

I've got two points for you to consider.

I don't know if you've ever actually used any of the gals who advertise on CL. I look at CL myself from time to time. Mostly because I enjoy looking at some of the pictures included in some of the ads. But I've discovered something important about CL. That is that the vast majority of ads there are bogus and intended not to offer an opportunity for guys like you and me to get their rocks off, but for the sole purpose of parting them from their money. I won't go into the details of that here, but if you have ever called any of the girls from CL, I'm sure I don't have to explain it to you because you would know that already. That's the first point.

The second point has to do with the fact that your posts and mine are found in the Massage Parlor forum. Not in the Streetwalker forum or the CL Reviews forum, but in the Massage Parlor forum. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that you are (just as I am) a dedicated Massage Parlor goer. Believe it or not, there are people in this world who would not dream of paying for sex. Many of them, if they don't have an SO from which they get their jollies, will (as you suggest) "take care of their own problems." There are those who don't have a problem paying for it but prefer street walkers. There are those who prefer going to strip clubs. But it is my firm belief that once a man develops the AMP habit, nothing else is going to prove a suitable substitute.

I believe that such people (present company included) have something approaching an addiction. We are going to go to AMPs regardless of what it costs. I don't believe that men such as you or I actually have a fixed budget for such activities. I know that whenever I get the fever, I'm going to my closest or most favorite AMP, whether it costs $160 or $220. Now you may very well be the rare exception. But as they say, the exception proves the rule.

However if the price did go from $160 to $220, that's an increase of about $2.00 per day. You could save that by buying your coffee at Dunking Donuts instead of Starbucks. Or if you smoke, you could quit. If you did so and had previously smoked a pack a day, you'd improve your health and have almost enough money for two AMP visits per month.

But if you prefer to beat your own dick rather than visiting AMPs, go for it. But I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't think that an increase of a few dollars is going to seriously cut into the demand for AMP services. There may be a lot of things that you and I and others may wish for. I, for one, wish that gas were cheaper. I wish that AMPs were legal, which would certainly reduce the cost of an AMP visit. Hell, I sometimes wish that piss were beer. But wishing cannot make it so. Most people's salaries increase a bit each year, if only to account for inflation. So even if you do have a budget of close to $2K per year for your AMP activities, your yearly increase should more than cover an increased cost for a typical AMP visit.

LexLuther

Hey guys, i believe like everyting else prices have increased.

however what it upsets me the most is when I call to the provider who shows a bueatiful girl's picture and when she arrives it is somebody else but the girl in the pic. Thats why I rather go to the AMP locations.

But at least i know i will be pampered.

Good luck.

And now back to the story.

Visited 14K this morning and asked for Rose. Busy at 1015. Which one of you did it?

Anyhow, met a new beauty named Vivi (Had trouble with the name: Bebe, Bibi. She said " Vivi, like Vivian".) Very nice.

Real 36-; pretty round face; nice figure; about 5'4"; beautiful mid-back length raven black hair; round rear; huge sensitive nips (She even commented on "too big".); friendly and excellent English. Says she is 26 (probably close to real). Has been in US for 3 years, but new to DC. She said I was her first DC customer. Just in from NYC last night. Confirmed by Hostess.

All in all, very nice. Not the manual skills of Mimi, but extremely capable. Those nips sure feel good rubbing about! Let me bring her to real O. 2x. Love it!

Face 8; technique 8; body 8. I will repeat.

Be Safe,

Rx

[QUOTE=LexLuther]However if the price did go from $160 to $220[/QUOTE]I realize that this is pure blasphemy around these parts, but if that's what it would take to get the general quality level back to what it was 5 years ago, I'd gladly pay it.

Be that as it may, could somebody please explain to me when this form changed from USASexGuide to USAEconGuide?

One relevant question: Can anyone remember how long the rate has been 160? I can't.

Did a quick intel prep before heading into DC and with all of the debating about pricing going on, the only lead I saw on the first few pages was Vivi at Sky (aka 14K)
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108047515744631636721.00043bda9974eeae44c50&ll=38.931906,-77.029266&spn=0.126857,0.211487&z=12&iwloc=00043bdc94c8d32bcaa8d[/url]

So I headed there and asked the mamasan for Vivi. Vivi came in and asked how I knew her. I told her a friend from yesterday recommended her. She asked who? So I said 'Joe' ;) She continued to inquire, then said 'tell me the truth - you read something on internet, right?' I winked and said 'maybe'.

Well... skipping the small chat (which there was a lot of), she is a real sweetie! Great attitude, killer tight body with a nice firm, round butt, fake tits (but still soft enough not to distract), and nice long permed hair. She took her time with everything... TS, massage, and FS. The best AMP experience I've had in DC. Well... that's not really saying that much, because previous experiences have been so mediocre, but this is ONE that I would definitely repeat.

About her story... she has worked here before at M street, but says its closed now. She lives in Queens where she just goes clubbing and shopping with her friends every day. Been in the US for 3 years (she's 26), but speaks great Engrish considering. She'll be working at Sky for about a month before going back to NY. I asked if she would mind if I mentioned something here, and she said 'sure - as long as its good!' Well... there you have it. :)

LT

ps I didn't read all the debating that's going on here lately, but looks like its regarding prices (I may be wrong). So I asked Vivi how much she expected for FS - she said $100, and tip if she takes good care of you. Added with $60 house fee, that's $160, right? Nothing to talk about (sorry if I'm totally out of place with my quick assessment of the debate). I'll take my 2 cents back now. ;)

[QUOTE=Junky11]One relevant question: Can anyone remember how long the rate has been 160? I can't.[/QUOTE]That is when I started, and it was $160 then. Think about that. The strength of the dollar back then, better service back then, and no increases. We have been spoiled.

I've seen no change in prices for 10 years at AMPs. But what is interesting is the difference between AMP and escorts has widened. I remember some of the first escorts I saw were at $160 to $220 so there was not a big price gap. You went to AMPs for the extra shower and massage experience. I think escort prices have just about doubled since then.

[QUOTE=Ginger Man]That is when I started, and it was $160 then. Think about that. The strength of the dollar back then, better service back then, and no increases. We have been spoiled.[/QUOTE]

Found the remodeling traffic below while reading. These were posted in late May. Does anyone know if it is open again? There have been no post since the May quote below. I visited 1333 in the Winter and was very happy. If it is closed I will have to visit another establishment.

Thanks
SG

[QUOTE=DickAllMighty]Confirmed. I went by there this weekend and saw the same thing.

Fellas, I was denied not once but three times this weekend.

First I went to K. I think this must have been the first time I've been there on a weekend night, because I saw that the bar above had set up a booth right in front of the stairway and there was a bouncer/door guy there. Are some of you guys aware that this was happening? I looked online and I think the bar was opened this past December. I was there maybe a couple of months ago, but I think it was in the afternoon and I had no trouble getting in. What's up with this bar anyway? I wonder if the owners know about the establishment. And if they do, would they complain? I think if they complained, LE would be pressured to shut it down. I think I might stay away from now on so as to not risk being caught in a bust.

So then I tried fourth floor at Conn. I rang the bell three times and still no answer. I've been there several times and they always answered on the first ring. I wonder if for some reason they thought I was LE?

Then I went by Green and saw the same sign Dog Bone saw. And that's a shame. I think Green has an excellent location, the kind of location that people wouldn't complain about.

The only other establishments I've been to are all closed, except for third floor M and IHC. I'm never going back to third floor M again after having been overcharged there, and I've never felt comfortable with the parking situation at IHC. So I just aborted for the night.

The scene is getting kind of dire in DC. I'm on the verge of just giving up the hobby or finding another hunting ground.[/QUOTE]

The nastiest climb in town is alive and well. Sunday night (early Monday morning) met "Suzy" after one ring. Utilitarian looks and service. Meaty physique (not fat) and a non-personality who probably could not believe that I would sustain mish for damn near an hour - having skipped the shower and getting right to business. Did my best to convert the fake moans into real ones.

[QUOTE=Junky11]One relevant question: Can anyone remember how long the rate has been 160? I can't.[/QUOTE]
It seems to me 150 was the price until 1997 or 98. The house fee is what went up 10. I do run into a provider who wants an extra 20 every now and again but it usually adds up to rushed service. I always lay five jacksons down when I go in, I hate to discuss money in any way with the lady.

[QUOTE=Sleazebum]But still wrong...

Now, assume I have $160 per month to dedicate to these activities and I do so once per month. That means I have 12X160 or $1,920 per year for all this and I provide these girls with income from me 12 times.

SO - they raise the price just $20, which you say is no big deal. Now my $1,920 must be divided by 180 which comes out to be just 10 and two thirds sessions per year.

Since that is not really acceptable to me, I would be hitting up the available action of CL which will take care of me for $150 or less and then I will be able to take care of business 12.8 times per year or more and the AMP girls will LOSE that $1,920.

In truth, I would be doing some of each to cure my itch but STILL the AMP would LOSE whatever money I spend on the CL trade.

Comparing this to gas for the car of food for the kitchen is simply piss poor thinking because, if need be, I can take care of the itch manually and not spend ANY cash and I CANNOT take care of the gas for the car or the food for the kitchen on my own.

THAT is the fact of life in this case and in this arena. ANYTHING else is just so much head noise (or keyboard clicking) and not worth the time spent doing so.

Peace!

JJ[/QUOTE]

Lex's analysis is on point! Slease you know you might even be abel to overcome a price hike if you are a regular;however, it would bbring resentment overtime as you will get a reputation as a cheap charlie!

They are raising prices BECAUSE they Can! Obviously business is good (demand)..they wouldn't raise prices if business was slow..that would not make sense..geeze business is terrrible no one is coming here so let's raise prices.

Finally if you spent your $1920 elswhre the AMP would be better off ...they could get 12 visits by someone willing to pay the extra $20-40. Just pay the increase and smile.

Don't get me wrong I don't like price hikes but I like the AMPs and girls. Give em a break. They earn every buck they make.

Peace Dude

That is all!

If anyone still feels the need to argue please do it via PM so the ones who are still stuck on a slow connection do not have to slog through all this useless stuff.

I still stand by my own assessment and will not argue further.

JJ

[QUOTE=Asianflu]Lex's analysis is on point! Slease you know you might even be abel to overcome a price hike if you are a regular;however, it would bbring resentment overtime as you will get a reputation as a cheap charlie!

They are raising prices BECAUSE they Can! Obviously business is good (demand)..they wouldn't raise prices if business was slow..that would not make sense..geeze business is terrrible no one is coming here so let's raise prices.

Finally if you spent your $1920 elswhre the AMP would be better off ...they could get 12 visits by someone willing to pay the extra $20-40. Just pay the increase and smile.

Don't get me wrong I don't like price hikes but I like the AMPs and girls. Give em a break. They earn every buck they make.

Peace Dude[/QUOTE]