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[QUOTE=Jimmy24;2407801]This is probley a self promoter. This place hasnt changed
In years so don't waiste your money. They won't even shut the.
Door.[/QUOTE]Been there a couple time myself with no luck, However new gal there. Extremely concerned about keeping it quiet. But diffenitely had a dream about a. 4 HE. Would not even give out name. Said NO Name. Maybe her name is No.
PF1956.
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[QUOTE=PipeFitter1956;2408293]Been there a couple time myself with no luck, However new gal there. Extremely concerned about keeping it quiet. But diffenitely had a dream about a. 4 HE. Would not even give out name. Said NO Name. Maybe her name is No.
PF1956.[/QUOTE]I guess she knows the name game that shuts it all down.
[URL]www.stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/stop-in-at-the-bodyworks-boutique/15838031[/URL]
Saw another post that didn't sound great, but I figured I would give it a go. I don't know about the rest of you, but I go to legit massage places for massages. I go her for the tease and finish. Massage was lacking. Teasing was good. She might be small up top, but she made them work for the finish. It might not be YGND, but since it's close I will return.
[URL]www.stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/my-look-is-soft-exotic-and-one-you-cant-get-enough-of/15631156[/URL]
Nice incall location. Street parking. Slender but firm build. Very cute. Not really a massage, but literally a body rub. Not necessarily looking for a LMT (see my post below about what I expect), but a little more than fingertips and light hands would be nice.
Pro's. Very nice figure, nice location in a nice part of town, nice finish. I will repeat.
Con's. Not much. Don't expect a massage. There is a reason it's in the section called "body rubs".
New to the thread so I'll start with a post, visited Jen awhile back in February in Hazelwood. Found her add on backpage for massage easy to schedule. Showed up at safe incall personal residence, she greeted me at the front door she matched the pics on backpage which was nice, cute 30 ish gal with nice body welcomed me in and told me to get comfortable and call for her when I was ready. Massage was great I opted for the hour for $60 great gal carried on and great conversation allowed the hands to roam a bit and towards the end told me to flip for a great he, will repeat in the future. Hope this helps out guys. Anyone else have similar experience with her?
I yelled at the boss for giving me the gal with the cleft pallet because she sucks so bad. Riverside is overpriced. One visit the damn lady just stopped and began rubbing the top of my thigh back and forth, baxk and forth, with just one hand. I reached down and started fondling with myself and she promptly left the room.
Horrible experiences.
[QUOTE=DonnyBrasso;2408917]I guess she knows the name game that shuts it all down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LimpDick;2409282]I yelled at the boss for giving me the gal with the cleft pallet because she sucks so bad. Riverside is overpriced. One visit the damn lady just stopped and began rubbing the top of my thigh back and forth, baxk and forth, with just one hand. I reached down and started fondling with myself and she promptly left the room.
Horrible experiences.[/QUOTE]I been there many times. Its been there for years. Way more miss than hit the past few years. Maybe she was banished away already.
Had a visit awhile ago. Used to dream about HE with an older masseuse named Wendy. Well she is not there so I ask for someone else besides the young girl. They give me Amy. She is older and not real attractive. I paid $45 for a 1 hour massage. Massage with real good and I had no draping. I asked for mainly my legs and ass to be focused on and she did well. She massaged in my crack and when I lifted up face down she massaged my inner thighs and very lower belly with some great teasing and ball play. It was very pleasant and she switched between hard massage and tickling feather massage with her fingernails which I thoroughly enjoy. On the flip she made me cover just my junk, however when she massaged my inner thighs and lower lower stomach the towel fell off and she didn't seem to mind. She told me I can finish myself, and I stated to but tried for her to complete it. It was a no go, but she played with my balls, asshole, and stomach while I did. I never finished because I'm an edger, but to each his own. I paid 15 $ for the tip because it was very good. I like dreams like that.
[QUOTE=Richter;2410661]Had a visit awhile ago. Used to dream about HE with an older masseuse named Wendy. Well she is not there so I ask for someone else besides the young girl. They give me Amy. She is older and not real attractive. I paid $45 for a 1 hour massage. Massage with real good and I had no draping. I asked for mainly my legs and ass to be focused on and she did well. She massaged in my crack and when I lifted up face down she massaged my inner thighs and very lower belly with some great teasing and ball play. It was very pleasant and she switched between hard massage and tickling feather massage with her fingernails which I thoroughly enjoy. On the flip she made me cover just my junk, however when she massaged my inner thighs and lower lower stomach the towel fell off and she didn't seem to mind. She told me I can finish myself, and I stated to but tried for her to complete it. It was a no go, but she played with my balls, asshole, and stomach while I did. I never finished because I'm an edger, but to each his own. I paid 15 $ for the tip because it was very good. I like dreams like that.[/QUOTE]15 tip. That's not going to do you, or the next guy much good. This is what should be standard:
No tease, all covered. No tip.
Grazing to erection, covered - . 1.
Grazing to erection, uncovered - . 2.
Teasing, uncovered, DIY - . 8 total, so tip depends on base rate.
Teasing, mechanical HE - $. 0 total.
Exceptional service. At least $. 2 total.
I tipped. 65 - double the standard rate for an unbelievable service I received a few weeks ago.
Found a few I would like to try out but can't find any reviews. If you have any info on these I would love to hear it. Thanks.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/brand-new-pics-hott-blondesthigh-highs-and-heelssexy-says-it-allyour-favorite-flirt-up-late/15715680[/URL] - Camille.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/60-60-60-60-60-special-full-body-rubsmutual-touch/13776596[/URL] - Ariel.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/full-body-erotic-massage-by-kimmie/16130968[/URL] - Kimmie.
If you guys have info on any of these I would appreciate it.
[QUOTE=Stlconnoisseur;2406371]Anyone have any recent experience with Leah in Chesterfield area? Is there anything other than R&T available? PM me if you have seen her recently and have info.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-hot-beautiful-nice/12856665[/URL][/QUOTE]There were rumors a few years ago she did, but I've seen her a couple times the last year or so. I'm doubting the rumors or maybe just no longer goes that extra mile.
[QUOTE=PipeFitter1956;2408293]Been there a couple time myself with no luck, However new gal there. Extremely concerned about keeping it quiet. But diffenitely had a dream about a. 4 HE. Would not even give out name. Said NO Name. Maybe her name is No.
PF1956.[/QUOTE]I've noticed when things get posted here about the AMP's the gal discussed goes to California. At least that's what they tell me when I ask for them. They tend to disappear.
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At Richtor: Didn't get to read this, but I can imagine what it was about.
If my assumptions are correct, I will continue to convey the facts.
As far as metropolitan areas across the USA Goes, St. Louis is really one of the most difficult environments for good service. If you tip below the standard, it discourages good service for the next guy, as well as yourself. This is an extremely important function of the hobby here not to take lightly.
As I've said a million times. Tip your ladies what the service is worth, and let them see that more is always on the table in the future.
If you want to tip. 15, better off getting a Bud and some wings at Hooters. Please take this as a helpful tip: You 8 posts indicates a still-learning situation. We were all there.
[QUOTE=Fbm014;2412596]There were rumors a few years ago she did, but I've seen her a couple times the last year or so. I'm doubting the rumors or maybe just no longer goes that extra mile.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that at one point in the 2008 or 2009 back when she lived off of Manchester behind the Arby's I did get FS. A few years later, when she moved to olive and 40 I tried and I got the Constant "How Much You Got? The last time I saw her, Just a Handshake. She IMHO is a constant upsell and not all that much fun.
Hope this helps.
TP.
[QUOTE=Noedger8;2411608]15 tip. That's not going to do you, or the next guy much good. This is what should be standard:
No tease, all covered. No tip.
Grazing to erection, covered - . 1.
Grazing to erection, uncovered - . 2.
Teasing, uncovered, DIY - . 8 total, so tip depends on base rate.
Teasing, mechanical HE - $. 0 total.
Exceptional service. At least $. 2 total.
I tipped. 65 - double the standard rate for an unbelievable service I received a few weeks ago.[/QUOTE]So the first 2 are the actual tip and the last 3 are the total even though not everyone charges the same? Doesn't make much sense. You should have just put the tip amount on all of them.
[QUOTE=Fbm014;2412600]I've noticed when things get posted here about the AMP's the gal discussed goes to California. At least that's what they tell me when I ask for them. They tend to disappear.[/QUOTE]They're probably providing extra services right before they leave so they can travel with some extra cash.
[QUOTE=Purleybaker;2398115]I believe tracfone is the only carrier that doesn't require registration.
You can buy different phones for the service and some come with triple minutes for the life of the phone.[/QUOTE]Tracfone is good because you can change your phone number whenever you want for free. It only takes about 5 minutes to change it.
[QUOTE=Stlffej;2413252]So the first 2 are the actual tip and the last 3 are the total even though not everyone charges the same? Doesn't make much sense. You should have just put the tip amount on all of them.[/QUOTE]Simple math in a supply / demand world, buddy. It establishes the floor and ceiling for standard pay. Protects everyone involved. Place that charges $45, the therapist is probably working almos totally from tips, so she deserves that. 55 tip for a great HE. If a place is charging $75 for an hour, the therapist is probably getting paid better by the house, so a. 25 tip evens the game for everyone, and keeps everyone happy and things predictable. That's asian massage business 101, partner. Keep the market even across the board. Rhese ladies, who do not speak english, love predictability.
Hey guys, I'm new to the form. Does anyone know a good place around the St Charles area, that offers a good massage with a HE at a reasonable price.
[QUOTE=Fbiman21;2414131]Hey guys, I'm new to the form. Does anyone know a good place around the St Charles area, that offers a good massage with a HE at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]Wow, not a great user name you've selected. Do your research and search past posts before asking a bunch of questions.
[QUOTE=Noedger8;2414080]Simple math in a supply / demand world, buddy. It establishes the floor and ceiling for standard pay. Protects everyone involved. Place that charges $45, the therapist is probably working almos totally from tips, so she deserves that. 55 tip for a great HE. If a place is charging $75 for an hour, the therapist is probably getting paid better by the house, so a. 25 tip evens the game for everyone, and keeps everyone happy and things predictable. That's asian massage business 101, partner. Keep the market even across the board. Rhese ladies, who do not speak english, love predictability.[/QUOTE]Three years ago, one of the girls at Evergreen told me she got $40 for 90 minutes and the house got $30.
At another place, the girl said she got 40% plus tips.
[QUOTE=ChetFont;2413491]They're probably providing extra services right before they leave so they can travel with some extra cash.[/QUOTE]Maybe true. Whenever I go to California I try to get a massage from AMPs and almost 90% of them provide extras. They cooperate a lot and specially I like Japanese. Japanese+Sauna+Massage in California is the best combo I have ever had.
So for the past year, I have been going at least once a month to Lilys, and getting a massage from Judy. Always been nice teasing, with self finish while she rubs the thighs.
So I turned my friend on to Lilys, and he has been going for about 3 months now as well, with the same result.
Last month my friend said hes not going back the reasoning was that, after his massage he tipped $10 and then as he was leaving a different lady rushed up to him yelling that the tip was "to low", and that he needed to pay more. Now I would have prob got into it with this lady but my friend just said he had more money in the car and she screamed "Well go get it". LMAO he went to his car and split.
I continued to go with no problem, I usually tip $15-20 cause I like the massage. Anyway I always book my appointments via text message, the last appointment went fine, but when I got there Judy was busy so the lady asked me if the new girl was ok? Can't remeber her name, maybe Ling.
I said fine, and same decent massage (though no feet), teasing, and put my hand on my member on the flip for self service, while she moaned as I stroked. I tipped $20 like always and went on my way. That was last month!
Cut to today when I try and make a massage appointment: (here is the text convo):
Me: Is judy there today?
Lilys: Yes,
Lilys: What time you need?!
Me: Do you have any times available after 6 pm for Judy? 1 hour massage.
Lilys: Yes, & we are now $48/ hr, but she doesn't want to work on you anymore unless you start giving a decent tip. She works hard & does a good job. Your choice.
Me: I gave $20 tip last time. Thats ridiculous, I will take my business elsewhere if this is how customers are treated at your place.
Lilys: then Judy will be fired. She says you never tip. She is lying or doesn't want to work on you. Sorry please come in & see new girl.
Lilys: Sorry again.
Haha I was confused and at work so really didn't know how to respond to that. So I didn't respond.
3 minutes later I get another text:
Lilys: She was terrible, I want cry. I am sorry for you & me!!
What is going on. LOL. After grading my papers, I heard another notification and 15 minutes after the above text they sent me this:
Lilys: Thanks you tell me these!
Does anyone want to theorize what the hell just happened?! They don't know me and the guy I mentioned are friends so I don't think its that. She didn't get me confused with another guy cause she described me perfectly via text.
Do you think that maybe she was pissed I went with the new girl that one time, or that the "house" is just trying to push one of their newer girls to some clients? I think its funny they think tips are required, and yell at people that don't tip enough? I think $20 is a fair tip. By the time I got off work they were closed I am not trying to get anyone fired.
Crazy times.
-Mike-.
[QUOTE=ChetFont;2413491]They're probably providing extra services right before they leave so they can travel with some extra cash.[/QUOTE]I think when they say things like Went to California and she is on vacation it really means we fired her. Had a good one at a AMP earlier this year. Things were posted online and the next time I scheduled they said she was out with a sick child. The next 2 times she was on vacation. Finally they told me they had to let her go. I knew from the 1st attempt she was likely fired.
I may be visiting the area soon. Does anyone have any info on this ad? I may have overlooked reviews. I saw A Ladies Touch when I googled the number. I never saw a name. A post or PM is fine. Thanks.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/fellas-ill-rub-you-the-right-way-with-long-strokes/5880985[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mikecl2011;2415117]So for the past year, I have been going at least once a month to Lilys, and getting a massage from Judy. Always been nice teasing, with self finish while she rubs the thighs.
So I turned my friend on to Lilys, and he has been going for about 3 months now as well, with the same result.
Last month my friend said hes not going back the reasoning was that, after his massage he tipped $10 and then as he was leaving a different lady rushed up to him yelling that the tip was "to low", and that he needed to pay more. Now I would have prob got into it with this lady but my friend just said he had more money in the car and she screamed "Well go get it". LMAO he went to his car and split.
I continued to go with no problem, I usually tip $15-20 cause I like the massage. Anyway I always book my appointments via text message, the last appointment went fine, but when I got there Judy was busy so the lady asked me if the new girl was ok? Can't remeber her name, maybe Ling.
I said fine, and same decent massage (though no feet), teasing, and put my hand on my member on the flip for self service, while she moaned as I stroked. I tipped $20 like always and went on my way. That was last month!
Cut to today when I try and make a massage appointment: (here is the text convo):
Me: Is judy there today?
Lilys: Yes,
Lilys: What time you need?!
Me: Do you have any times available after 6 pm for Judy? 1 hour massage.
Lilys: Yes, & we are now $48/ hr, but she doesn't want to work on you anymore unless you start giving a decent tip. She works hard & does a good job. Your choice.
Me: I gave $20 tip last time. Thats ridiculous, I will take my business elsewhere if this is how customers are treated at your place.
Lilys: then Judy will be fired. She says you never tip. She is lying or doesn't want to work on you. Sorry please come in & see new girl.
Lilys: Sorry again.
Haha I was confused and at work so really didn't know how to respond to that. So I didn't respond.
3 minutes later I get another text:
Lilys: She was terrible, I want cry. I am sorry for you & me!!
What is going on. LOL. After grading my papers, I heard another notification and 15 minutes after the above text they sent me this:
Lilys: Thanks you tell me these!
Does anyone want to theorize what the hell just happened?! They don't know me and the guy I mentioned are friends so I don't think its that. She didn't get me confused with another guy cause she described me perfectly via text.
Do you think that maybe she was pissed I went with the new girl that one time, or that the "house" is just trying to push one of their newer girls to some clients? I think its funny they think tips are required, and yell at people that don't tip enough? I think $20 is a fair tip. By the time I got off work they were closed I am not trying to get anyone fired.
Crazy times.
-Mike-.[/QUOTE]From my experience with Judy, . 2 is an appropriate tip. If I remember, no ball rubbing. Just Diy while she was somewhere in the ballpark. I'd been in there and in several AMPs where I here all out catfights. My guess here is that at Lily's is that whoever does the scheduling does fewer massages, if any, so they probably get a tip-out like cooks and bar-backs. Or maybe they pool tips and split them evenly. Sounds like Judy was pocketing your tips and bitching at the schedule person you werent tipping. I'd imagine it wasnt Judy who refused you due to tips, but the scheduler who was sick ofnyou not tipping. Ultimately, you were believed over Judy because she would have shot you down long ago, or fave crappier service and youd had atopped asking for her. So much psychology in this game, yo!
[QUOTE=Fbm014;2415545]I think when they say things like Went to California and she is on vacation it really means we fired her. Had a good one at a AMP earlier this year. Things were posted online and the next time I scheduled they said she was out with a sick child. The next 2 times she was on vacation. Finally they told me they had to let her go. I knew from the 1st attempt she was likely fired.[/QUOTE]Missouri recognizes California and Texas licenses. Some go to California or Texas for their continuing education requirements. One girl told me she could make $30,000 per MONTH in CA. Sounds like bullshit but if 90% of the gilrs in CA do extras and they work 7 days a week, maybe it's true.
A week or two back, I decided to check out Cherry based solely on this pic.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-body-rubs/15654862[/URL]
Yeah. So not quite that bangin or a body but figured since the directions she gave were to Serenity, I would at least leave with a little less fluid weight. And I did. I was quoted $85 for hhr. Arrived and she was an AA lady with crazy short hair bleached blonde. I probably shoulda walked but what the hell. In room, got nekkid and hopped on table for a pretty decent massage. A little mutual touching on face down and lots of teasing the boys. All was good. On the flip, I figured that the top would come off (give the photo) but NOPE. Also all touching had to be over the clothes. She dumped a gallon or so of vegi oil on the little man and started going at it and I was not feeling it at all. I told her that on previous visits, got to spend time with the girls. She replied that musta been another girl. As she started tiring out, I told her that if she wanted me to pop, the top coming off would speed things up. OK, a little negotiating and off came the top and it simply can't be the same girl as the one on the photo. The girls were a little out of air. I finally finished and wiped up and even $ later. Not going to repeat.
[QUOTE=Sarcasticles;2417010]A week or two back, I decided to check out Cherry based solely on this pic.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-body-rubs/15654862[/URL]
Yeah. So not quite that bangin or a body but figured since the directions she gave were to Serenity, I would at least leave with a little less fluid weight. And I did. I was quoted $85 for hhr. Arrived and she was an AA lady with crazy short hair bleached blonde. I probably shoulda walked but what the hell. In room, got nekkid and hopped on table for a pretty decent massage. A little mutual touching on face down and lots of teasing the boys. All was good. On the flip, I figured that the top would come off (give the photo) but NOPE. Also all touching had to be over the clothes. She dumped a gallon or so of vegi oil on the little man and started going at it and I was not feeling it at all. I told her that on previous visits, got to spend time with the girls. She replied that musta been another girl. As she started tiring out, I told her that if she wanted me to pop, the top coming off would speed things up. OK, a little negotiating and off came the top and it simply can't be the same girl as the one on the photo. The girls were a little out of air. I finally finished and wiped up and even $ later. Not going to repeat.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had to take one for the team. I did mine last week, next time I am just going to turn and leave.
[URL]http://stlouis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/everyone-loves-a-spa-day-call-leslie-at-636-357-7011/16131977[/URL]
Very likely she is legit, but if anyone has any stories to tell, I'm all ears. Wouldn't want to spoil a good thing so please PM me.
Anyone ever have any luck with student massages? I did once in Belleville maybe 5 years back or so. I simply asked the girl if she cared if we did the massage without the sheet. She was game and ended up having a great massage with finish.
That was the one and only time I dared with such a request. I'm guessing someone down the line may not approve. Not only worried about getting kicked out but more serious trouble. Therefore I haven't got a student massage in some time.
One other question, if were looking just to have the boys played with, any good suggestions? Have done the AMP route but they seem to want more and more tips.
I have nothing new to add, but will continue the praise for Lake and her team.
I made an appointment with Angel, the only YGND I have seen and, as always, the scheduling is always as it should be. I am considering visiting some of the other girls.
No worries about no shows and the like or not being home when I arrive. Angel was as beautiful as ever and I guess I really have missed seeing her over the last couple of months. I got to get out of the house more often! !
I do have one small complaint and it is not against Lake or the girls. For the last two times that I have departed Angel's place, and I was not late in any way, the next customer is sitting outside waiting for his turn. I really can't complain, I guess, but I just found it sort of disconcerting. Normally if I am early, I will either circle the block or sit in a nearby park or parking lot until my scheduled time arrives. What is the proper etiquette for this?
Gerry2753.
Yup. Had the same thing.
YGND is great, but they will schedule hours back to back. I usually sit in my car until 3 minutes before my appointment.
[QUOTE=Gerry2753;2421753]I have nothing new to add, but will continue the praise for Lake and her team.
I made an appointment with Angel, the only YGND I have seen and, as always, the scheduling is always as it should be. I am considering visiting some of the other girls.
No worries about no shows and the like or not being home when I arrive. Angel was as beautiful as ever and I guess I really have missed seeing her over the last couple of months. I got to get out of the house more often! !
I do have one small complaint and it is not against Lake or the girls. For the last two times that I have departed Angel's place, and I was not late in any way, the next customer is sitting outside waiting for his turn. I really can't complain, I guess, but I just found it sort of disconcerting. Normally if I am early, I will either circle the block or sit in a nearby park or parking lot until my scheduled time arrives. What is the proper etiquette for this?
Gerry2753.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stlhustla;2421970]Yup. Had the same thing.
YGND is great, but they will schedule hours back to back. I usually sit in my car until 3 minutes before my appointment.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. That's why Lake says. "don't be early don't be late". I park down the street a bit and arrive at the door exactly on the hour. The girls may have 7 or 8 minutes max between appointments. I'm really amazed that the great ones like Angel and Tierney can be happy and enthusiastic at the end of the day. But that's what makes them so good.
I too have left the studio at 10 or 12 minutes before the hour only to occasionally find the next guy (usually a younger one) standing there with a goofy grin on his face. Yeah I know I'm an old guy, but come on guys. Respect the rules for everybody's benefit.
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[QUOTE=Ritewing;2422159]I agree 100%. That's why Lake says. "don't be early don't be late". I park down the street a bit and arrive at the door exactly on the hour. The girls may have 7 or 8 minutes max between appointments. I'm really amazed that the great ones like Angel and Tierney can be happy and enthusiastic at the end of the day. But that's what makes them so good.
I too have left the studio at 10 or 12 minutes before the hour only to occasionally find the next guy (usually a younger one) standing there with a goofy grin on his face. Yeah I know I'm an old guy, but come on guys. Respect the rules for everybody's benefit.[/QUOTE]This is why I've never given YGND a try, and probably never will. Even at no-funny-stuff AMPs I hate running into other customers. A few months ago at Riverside, I walked in, and some joker walked in RIGHT behind me, and I had to listen to this jabroni talk through the entire session. PRO TIP. It's impossible to get aroused when you can hear another dude trying to force a girl who speaks no english to perfectly pronounce your name for an our straight. I remember what you look like (because you mowed my lawn through the front door like a jabroni). You new nickname is Jorey Jabroni. Anyone else have an experience with Jorey Jambroni?
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I'm curious if anyone has visited the Beijing foot spa place. I'm visiting this weekend and it's the closest place to me. You can PM me if it is easier.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Quik12;2425156]I'm curious if anyone has visited the Beijing foot spa place. I'm visiting this weekend and it's the closest place to me. You can PM me if it is easier.
Thanks![/QUOTE]There are no doors, just curtains, so don't expect much privacy. Might want to wait until it gets warmer as the place can be cold. Other than that pretty much like all the rest, so don't expect much. This ain't SOCAL.