Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

First, I think A2 has asked repeatedly that, if you see a post in violation, you flag it and contact him, not make a post about it.

Second, if you are referring to Buddah's post about PM, he didn't say anything about unsafe sex practices, he said it that begging for a particular activity, in this case BBFS, was annoying. Not a word about it being unsafe or unwise.

We all know the risks, and we all know that a good number of providers have likely, at least once, let it slide with one or more particular clients in the heat of the moment (ladies, you do not have to reply stating that you, specifically, have not), and that a good number of clients, if offered in the heat of the moment, have probably gone ahead with it (same lack of need to emphatic denials from the guys). Everyone is human, and we are all big boys and girls. It only becomes a true problem if someone pushes or coerces someone to do something which they do not want to do. Then its a BIG fucking problem.

Third, whining about someone smoking weed is silly anymore. You want to tell me that someone is sliding a needle into someone, keeping them high on pills to control them, etc., then we have a conversation. But saying that someone smoked pot with a provider? If that concerns you, you might as well not call any of the ladies on this, or any, board. Or are be and his girls the only ones held to that standard?

Guys, you don't like him, and he doesn't like you. Why don't you all just ignore each other and quit making general snipes.

And while we're at it, can we all generally assume that when a girl completely, 100% vanishes from all the boards and advertising venues, that she has either retired, relocated, gotten arrested, gotten into a relationship, found better job or life opportunities, or gone UTR, and, if she really wanted to keep you as a client and income source, she would have contacted you to be part of her UTR set of clients.

I and my brother have always obeyed for the most part A2 and Jackson's policies but we have serious issues with a man who supplies ladies and some gents with his extra curricular activity That is a felony if he is caught and your numbers happen to be in his phone.

It also makes no sense that CC allegedly was found out or discovered to be one of his women and dropped off for a short while and is now back on again with the SAME moniker and pictures. If a certain current monger is engaged to be married to Rebecca why did he give me her phone number if he is marrying her? Back in the day B put a lady who worked for hims pics, reviews, and appointments in an envelope and left it in her family mailbox For those ladies who work for him now if you have kids or he knows where you live and you fuck over him what does he know about you and what does that say to you. He cut off from the pussy and threatened a fellow mongerer for writing a graphic review of Sasha when told not to and also cut off his other supply and even tracked him down to where he lived. Is this the kind of guy you want to do business with fellows. The biggest fucking laugh so far on here is Sasha's statement that HE WORKS FOR THEM How fucking stupid do you think we guys are. In over two decades have any of you ever heard of a guy who owns an agency big or small where the girls control the agency and tell the owner what to do. FUCKING REALLY?? Buddah was running girls through the mill before you were fucking born, and using whatever means necessary to control them he had to. If any of the ladies have kids he has your soul and if he knows where you live and can track you he will control you to do his will HE HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ANY WOMAN and he has had women ten times better looking working for him in the past.

My brother and I will continue to obey A2's rules but both he and I honestly believed the only place to complain about sex practices that were unsafe was on the thread that had been made for that. This place is for the exchange of ideas and if you are going to use him be damned sure he does not have your info. He was run out of Ohio before and Leopards don't change their spots. He sure as hell hasn't changed his. If women worked for themselves they could just contact men and could vette them and do o own background checks going through other well known providers. Why pay him a piece of the action for someithing you could do when you do the biggest part of the work. Guys watch your backs and remember for every agency girl there are probably fifty who you can contact without giving anymore info than you are comfortable doing and who you don't have to worry about generally coming after you if you piss them off. A2 again we apologize for our earlier reference As true as it was it broke your rules and don't want to go there. Have a good week all and enjoy Spring which is coming. PT and BM.

1). Total be about the girl and pictures in mailbox.

3). CC lost some friends and family who found her out. True.

3). You seem to think smoking weed is a big deal! Its not and this country is excepting it more each day.

Not a felony... Its a pay out ticket in over 40 states!

4). If Tmax gave you Rebeccas number...Which I doubt since he lives with her.

Than that is his and his fiancé prerogative. But wasn't mine to give out.

Why oh why do you envy me so much?

You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.

You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!

Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.

Buddah.

[QUOTE=UtrInOhio;2030246]if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 [/QUOTE]For dragging me into an argument, but I was kind of side tracked by the idea of Sasha and CC coming to live with me. (Cue dream sequence).

[BLUE]Side note regarding the rare edit in The Octagon; the way to tell if a person simply mentioned the forbidden subject as opposed to advocating the forbidden subject is if they have not been banned. I know Puntang is sort of a lightning rod here, but he is a regular and I didn't want anybody having the impression he did something super douchey and sick.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=UtrInOhio;2030246]1). Total be about the girl and pictures in mailbox.

3). CC lost some friends and family who found her out. True.

3). You seem to think smoking weed is a big deal! Its not and this country is excepting it more each day.

Not a felony... Its a pay out ticket in over 40 states!

4). If Tmax gave you Rebeccas number...Which I doubt since he lives with her.

Than that is his and his fiancé prerogative. But wasn't mine to give out.

Why oh why do you envy me so much?

You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.

You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!

Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.

Buddah.[/QUOTE]And BTW learn the law Jabba Use is a misdemeanor depending on quantity distribution of a controlled substance is a felony depending on quantity and your old growth area was PH in a rented building. No lies Just remember guys for those of us who know him from back in the day WATCH YOUR BACKS and ladies watch yours. Did I lie about your tracking down a monger and the Sasha incident You conveniently side stepped that one. You don't want me to put your life and your family info on here You would be well served to move on down the road. You have no idea how many ladies hate you and don't trust you and how many of us old timers who know you and what you really are and have done feel the same way. Most of the guys on here are too young to know you or about you but there are about 20 of us still around who do know you Have a good week Don't beg Budda Az Sasha CC nor Airella control you you control them That simple. I feel sorry for Sasha who has kids and has to put up with you and for CC who is back under her old name which you weren't smart enough to change if her family did find out which you indicated they did. So much for discretion and safety for the ladies you love and work for you. As far as the girls and the mailbox true and she is still working and hates your azz also Keep talking.

Neither of you gentlemen know me and neither of you gentlemen will ever know. I am asking you nicely to keep my fucking name out of your disgusting fucking mouth. I am So sick and tired of getting on here and seeing people talk shit about me when you know nothing about the situation that I am in. This is my life and my choices I don't need anyone's input on what I want to do and who I choose to work with. Seriously just drop it and move onto the next piece of ass. Why Is it so hard for you guys to continuously talk shit about my situation; you have no idea about me or the choices I make on a daily basis. Can you seriously please just drop it and leave us the fuck alone.

Sorry I made an error early. You're Not gentlemen you're assholes because you keep talking about people you have no idea about.

Fucking stop!

SB.

[QUOTE=PuntangMan]Thanks and a PM would be appreciated. I am sure Buuuddddy would be forthcoming since he says he doesn't care who his women see past or present or so he says. Have a good day all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigMack]
No lies Buddah man up
And BTW learn the law Jabba Use is a misdemeanor depending on quantity distribution of a controlled substance is a felony depending on quantity
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[QUOTE=UtrInOhio;2030246]

Why oh why do you envy me so much?

You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.

You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!

Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.

Buddah.[/QUOTE][B]ENOUGH SQUABBLING![/B]

Everyone please just untwist your panties.

There is a difference between the sparring matches that sometimes occur here in the Octagon that usually amount to nothing more than some cathartic steam release for the parties involved and amusement for the rest of us. This is not like that. This shit is currently being sprayed about this board with less discrimination than a cholera victim with explosive diarrhea!

If you folks want to throw shit around like monkey's in a cage, go for it, but when it starts flying around the entire zoo and hitting the visitors in the face, it is time to stop. Please take your shit tornado to PM! Especially when you include bantering around discussions of felony and misdemeanor behavior when the reality is we are all BREAKING THE LAW in this hobby we engage in and civil disobedience when we discuss it in a public forum.

Look, it is no secret that UTR / Buddah and I are far from friends. We are not even friendly. Most of that is my fault. I allowed a bunch of rumor and hearsay to convince me he was something he wasn't and it sounds like you two dipshits have bought into something similar.

I don't do business with Buddah. I am not friends with him. So therefore my "review" of him should carry some wait:

Is he an opinionated asshole? Yes, in spades.

Is he a shrewd business man? He is very experienced and knowledgeable, and careful, but he sometimes let's personal issues get in the way of his solid business plan, but who among us doesn't sometimes take business personal?

Does he really care about the ladies he works with or are they assets? They are partners. I won't divulge their arrangement, but in general, he handles all the promotion and organization for scheduling and logistics, they handle the excellent service. One thing you can't default the guy for, he takes safety VERY seriously. In fact, I probably owe Buddah an apology, because I once thought he was not discreet in a situation that caused me a few non-hobby problems, but in truth it was somebody else. The guy is nothing, but a locked bank vault when it comes to private details of both ladies and clients.

With all that said, UTR is either your bag of chips or he isn't. No different than anything else in this hobby. Vote with your wallet. Raising a ruckus on the board over the same old shit does none of us any good. Bringing in other activities that are frowned upon besides our favorite vice around here does nothing but to bring unwanted attention. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall.

[QUOTE=BigMack;2030342]You don't want me to put your life and your family info on here You would be well served to move on down the road.[/QUOTE][BLUE]First a disclaimer, the use of the word you and your is used as the universal, I am referring to anybody not the OP in particular.

I'm not getting in the middle of this, you guys can fight until you both run out of breath here. But if anybody, [b]EVER[/b] outs somebody or their family (His family, what in the [b]FUCK[/b] are you thinking!) I'll have the Russians that write our code on that person so fast it will take their ass a week to catch up to their head. I'll have them out you, your business, your credit card info, your SSN, your drivers license number, all [b]AVAILABLE[/b] public info will be posted on this and any other sex forum I can find. Hell if they can do it I'll have them add the person doing it to the VICAP sexual offenders lists. I'll let the provider publish whatever info they have on you while deleting the stuff you post about them.

I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are [b]ALWAYS[/b] off limits.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;2030574][BLUE]First a disclaimer, the use of the word you and your is used as the universal, I am referring to anybody not the OP in particular.

I'm not getting in the middle of this, you guys can fight until you both run out of breath here. But if anybody, [b]EVER[/b] outs somebody or their family (His family, what in the [b]FUCK[/b] are you thinking!) I'll have the Russians that write our code on that person so fast it will take their ass a week to catch up to their head. I'll have them out you, your business, your credit card info, your SSN, your drivers license number, all [b]AVAILABLE[/b] public info will be posted on this and any other sex forum I can find. Hell if they can do it I'll have them add the person doing it to the VICAP sexual offenders lists. I'll let the provider publish whatever info they have on you while deleting the stuff you post about them.

I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are [b]ALWAYS[/b] off limits.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]Thank you A2 and well stated. I had a scam provider out me a few years ago and she thought is was funny.

I would never out his family. However that does not justify for any reason my statement made earlier so for that I do apologize to him, his family, the community and to A2. I am man enough to stand up and apologize for it to all concerned. Besides I would rather fuck women than with Russian technocrats any day. Sorry again to Buddah his family and to the community and to A2.

Big Mack.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2030574][BLUE]

I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are [b]ALWAYS[/b] off limits.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]And this is why your are the biggest swinging blue dick in the room. You go dude. Always good to see that reinforced for all of us.

Have a great day. Thanks.

Dz.

It appears that some men (and I use that term loosely) feel the need to attack other men to compensate for their own inadequacies. Please, men with tiny dicks, just pay a woman to say "It's sooooo BIG!" and leave other men out here alone.

Can't we all just enjoy the hobby and stop being assholes?

[BLUE]I'm not being a dick. Big Mac decided to fall on his sword to make amends. He's asked to have his account deleted. He has also asked me to tell the community that he is really sorry for what he did and asks forgiveness.

I believe he is sincere and I applaud the gesture.

A2[/BLUE]

Don't sign off. We can go back to leaving one another alone. No one here holds a grudge you just said something that wasn't true about me. I didn't do anything you accused me of but that the Octagon!

Stay around old man there's room here for everyone.

I also except your sincere apology.

Buddah.

[QUOTE=UtrInOhio;2032059]Don't sign off. We can go back to leaving one another alone. No one here holds a grudge you just said something that wasn't true about me. I didn't do anything you accused me of but that the Octagon!

Stay around old man there's room here for everyone.

I also except your sincere apology.

Buddah.[/QUOTE]Nothing said not true we know you from the old days and can name names but not on here. I don't know what he is going to do but do know in the old days on BD you were and would have been shipped What he did was wrong no doubt about it but what was said was said about you was true straight up concerning you. But I guess as he was told as long as the ladies are working for you of their own volition and all legal then no one cares so we go UTRadar. Times have changed for sure. Don't know if he is moving on I'm not but I didn't make his ill conceived statement. Nice of you to accept his apology but not true what has been said Nope. Have a good day and moment of silence not necessary but kind never the less. We are both very honest but his statement to you was wrong Even I wouldn't have said it and won't. Nice gesture on your part and on A2's. Have a good week all and stay safe.