"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Hey Smoke,

SA is far and away my preferred site as well. There are many more babies in my area than SD4me, and since they only bill you for one month at a time, there's not the same hassle of canceling your membership as with the other site.

As for the amount of sugar the babies are requesting, just ignore that. The truth is most of them will have more than one SD, at least in my experience, and my feeling is that they put a high amount down so they won't feel like pros. I contact anyone that looks interesting, regardless of the amount they say they're looking for, and let things sort themselves out. I have met and successfully bedded 17 babies in the 4 months or so I have been pursuing this hobby, and never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be having this much fun.

That said, it is, on one face of it, much more expensive a pursuit than the pro route, but the benefits, as have been described throughout this thread, far outweigh the costs. Take some time and go back to the very beginning of this thread and read it carefully if you haven't already. There is a gold mine of valuable, real-world information here, except, in my opinion, for the bizarre tangent about "squirters", but again that's just my opinion. Unlike a lot of the other threads in this forum, you will find all the hobbyists who are serious posters to be more than willing to share their insights, strategies, discoveries and misfortunes. I think we all can't believe our good luck, honestly, and it makes us polite to each other.

One thing I have learned that I can't stress enough. Be polite, courteous, well-spoken and circumspect in your first contacts. Polish your profile text until it is perfect, don't mention anything about fucking until they bring it up, and do not put up or send pictures of you unit. For a brief while as I was sorting out my own profile I had a fake sugarbaby one up, just so I could see what kind of messages the other guys were sending out. Disgusting! I never want to see another picture of a dick as long as I live. Every baby I have successfully landed, and even many of those that didn't work out, all tell me that my profile is so refined and polite, and that's what drew them to respond to my initial contact. These are not pros, and should be courted just like you would and civilian girl. The advantage is that they have already decided that they are looking for sex and know you are too. As one of the previous mongers on this thread has observed, you have both outed yourselves, which makes it easier and quicker to get to the ultimate goal.

Good luck, have fun, and share your escapades and insights with your brothers.

Scott

Paid for the Premium membership on SA. Sent out about 10 emails. Let's see if any of these girls bites.

Also, since I am not in Richmond, I hope you guys don't mind me putting up a few posts here.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1291888]Gentlemen,

I was recently browsing this forum as a whole when I came across a similar thread to this one in the Baltimore section. Apparently the hobbyists there are having a great deal of success posting their own ads on CL and BP. This tactic, I am aware, is nothing new. What was intriguing was that one member made reference to finding utrs on a website called Modelmayhem, which is a forum for photographers and models to showcase their respective talents. If this member can be believed, all one has to do is put up a profile masquerading as a photographer and contact any of the models who do nude or erotic shoots. He asserts that "most of them know what's up", especially if you tell them you are looking to do a POV shoot.

Is this bs, wishful thinking, or something one of you has had experience with? I will say that one of my sbs could also be found on the mayhem site, but I thought it was a coincidence. If anyone has experience with this approach, please share. I am thinking of setting myself up there, but it would entail some pretty sophisticated crafting to make the profile seem legit, including getting photos to put up as examples of my "work" that couldn't be traced back to the rightful photographer.

On another note, still no Lit? Has anyone heard from him?

Keep up the good work,

Scott[/QUOTE]I've had about a 30% success rate on MM. Some of the girls on there you can find posted in galleries on here as SB's, on AFF, Fling, or even as pros on Backpage. I've only gotten with one BP pro through MM and she was interested in new shots for her ads. After that however I stuck strictly to lingerie, nude and erotic models. The majority of them are basically broke ass pornstars in training or college girls hoping that someone will "discover" her. I did all of this by setting up a MM account, acquiring a legit seeming business email for the "studio" and buying some pro lighting off of CL. The DSLR I had and I bought a HD Cam. Also, each of the models has to email a release for her photos prior to coming to the shoot. Eventually I'm going to release all of this material as part of a website. I think of it as contributing to my retirement.

Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.

SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

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[QUOTE=Heelman69; 1302816]SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]150551[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1302838]Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Giving a girl knowledge about us that enables her to contact our family, our employer is the power to destroy us in the hands of a girl who might become desperate, unstable or jealous at some point which is really all the same thing, and women are particularly prone to having these tendencies on the quick and to the max. Plus, we are not dealing with women at the high point of their lives. There is no upside in giving her that power.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1301753]Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.[/QUOTE]I fell into the SB side of "[I]the business[/I]" by accident after years on the internet escort side when a friend in the business fixed me up with a civie girlfriend needing some help following a divorce.

Although the SB angle has been the best for me I have never totally left the internet escort side. So I know what a particular SB can command were she a traditional escort.

I've had no difficulty getting in a SB's pants with no prior talk of sugar simply by treating her like an ordinary girl I wanted to take to dinner and actually taking her to dinner the first time and most other times also. I've found SB's are uncomfortable with the discussion of sugar. Even though they want to know what to expect I've found if I don't bring it up they won't be the first. I'm sure there are highly experienced SB's who "out" themselves as experienced by wanting this detail cleared up ahead of time like a Pennsylvania lawyer on retainer. I just have not run into a girl such as this (with one exception).

When I have been with a SB I simply give her what she could get in the business, no more, no less. If she has any smarts at all she will see the reasonableness of what I slip in her purse as we are leaving, when she is being distracted by a door opening or closing, when I slip my hand in her purse palm down with the contents she cannot see, and without saying a word what I'm doing or have done. That's how I handle the gift. She will say, 'Thank you, ' and I still keep my mouth shut.

Talk about sugar is bad.

I disagree with going in low. We think. Women feel. She is probably in a difficult situation and I don't want her feeling I'm taking advantage. Some advantage is inescapable to the relationship, but there's unfair advantage. She is important to me. I want to be important to her. I am important by being reliable at scale with no surprises.

I also disagree with going in low because to give more over time is a slippery slope of getting hit all the time for more. It encourages boldness. It invites a door I don't want to go through.

Giving her reasonable sugar is good.

There is also no need. She is treated fairly. I bring security to her. She knows she can count on what she will be getting. The flakes she will be dealing with seal her to me. The glue is the certainty I bring to the table.

Women need a man they can count on.

One exception to the above was a girl who was not okay with the sugar after two visits and put the bite on me big-time. She turned out to be a bad case of golden pussy syndrome secondary to being a real estate agent. I didn't call her anymore. A few months later she called me to give me her new cell number. Things were nice and friendly but I never used the new number. GPS meant she was unhappy with my gift. She was certainly hot and delivered the goods but I did not want to be with her unhappy over the gift or me unhappy over the gift.

Smokarz_XO, the above is the background for my advice to give her what she can command as an internet escort in your market, no more, no less, and keep it there.

Golf.I really liked your sage advice. The problem is that Sugar ALWAYS comes up in this thread, and nobody knows exactly what magic number is going to make this baby happy. In my area I would say that the hourly rate for escorts ranges from $$ to $$$$, so that is a rather large spread. Now I am not talking the 15 minute graduated plan on BP, because some of those chicks can be had for $-$.5, and I'm not talking the GPS chix who occasionally pop up.

Smokarz. I would suggest evaluating your date based on her value to you as :1) a one time and out; 2) a suitable occasional roll in the hay you will want to call again but not regularly; 3) A prime candidate as a regular; and 4) a smoking hot too good to be true and got to own this girl.

The sugar would roll out this way IMHO pretty much as you can guess. 1) $.2) $$.3) $$.5. $$$, and 4) forget about it.she will bankrupt you and it won't be worth it in the end, because these are all GPS. But if you get a crack at it, then try $$$ unless you are plenty loaded and money is no object. Heck, Spitzer gave $5000 / hr for a soso escort, but then each to his own.

Keep in mind what I said in a recent post. You have Sugar plus room, dinner, drinks, and gifts = an extra $ to $$$ easily. At least escorts have the room and don't require gifts, dinner or drinks unless you just like that.

The cool thing about SBs is that they are probably not banging 20 other guys / week, might actually be monogamous with you for a while, will spend more than an hour and possibly all night for the same sugar, and still have that excited civilian attitude about them.

Check your area escort websites for the going rate with BP being the low end.

That's good advice and very reasonable. Thanks golfcart.

Not sure where to post this. Posting this here as this thread, I suspect, has a high number of older guys with means, that may be able to give advise.

I have used Cialis by choice for many years. 20mg works wonders for about 40 hours I would say!

My doctor basically prescribes as many as I need. However, as many of us know, insurance hardly covers at all. And restricts you to 3-4 at a time, it is almost easier just to buy them outright at the pharmacy!

My pharmacist heavily warned me off the online pharmacist. Of course he may just be protecting himself.

My question is. From your experience, what are the reliable and SAFE ones to use. Canadian? I would suggest general replies only to this report replies, if you have specific website info, perhaps you could send as an I'm, or just post the fact that you have a reliable site.

Many thanks,

I too am starting to wander into the SB world! I will report of course.

GW

Gentlemen,

As I have posted previously, when I send out an initial contact message to a potential new baby, I encourage her to respond to an off-site email account that I have set up expressly for the business of SD / SB correspondence. Once they email me there, I ask for a picture of them not from the site. If they comply, I feel it indicates an interest that is a step or two beyond "just seeing where this leads." Mostly what I get are either iphone in the mirror-type shots, or, less often, professionally-taken modeling shots. Occasionally, I get something else.

On Saturday, just as I was about to head out of town for the weekend, I got not one but two pussy pictures as the follow-up photo, coincidentally both from hot, and I mean hot. 20-something Latinas. Now I make it a practice to fast-track any baby that sends me a picture of her pussy, and so today I had the real pleasure of fucking one of them for about two hours, and brothers, I am sore all over. Was that just this particular baby, or did I miss the memo? Nando, I know your current ATF SB is Latina, or am I mistaken; so is this the case? Is it common knowledge? I mean wow.

As an aside, I left her alone in my car while I was getting us a room, and I have a thought / tip to pass along. I normally keep a very "clean" car, meaning nothing visible or accessible that has my real name or address on it. I keep all the service receipts, registration etc in the covered well for my spare tire. But I recently got my brakes repaired, and there was a receipt in the glove box where I lazily put it and where the baby could easily have found it. Yikes! I think I am ok, but just a reminder to be ever vigilant. Establish good practices and never, ever deviate.

Back to Latinas for one last minute. If this next baby turns out to fuck as hotly as the one today, I'm done with white girls. I've got a heating pad on my back as I type this, and little Scottie, for once, is sleeping soundly.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

Gentlemen,

Apparently the post below was the one that put me over the threshold. I'm so proud!

Scott

Welcome to the club. My Latina has been wearing me out too!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1304525]Gentlemen,

As I have posted previously, when I send out an initial contact message to a potential new baby, I encourage her to respond to an off-site email account that I have set up expressly for the business of SD / SB correspondence. Once they email me there, I ask for a picture of them not from the site. If they comply, I feel it indicates an interest that is a step or two beyond "just seeing where this leads." Mostly what I get are either iphone in the mirror-type shots, or, less often, professionally-taken modeling shots. Occasionally, I get something else.

On Saturday, just as I was about to head out of town for the weekend, I got not one but two pussy pictures as the follow-up photo, coincidentally both from hot, and I mean hot. 20-something Latinas. Now I make it a practice to fast-track any baby that sends me a picture of her pussy, and so today I had the real pleasure of fucking one of them for about two hours, and brothers, I am sore all over. Was that just this particular baby, or did I miss the memo? Nando, I know your current ATF SB is Latina, or am I mistaken; so is this the case? Is it common knowledge? I mean wow.

As an aside, I left her alone in my car while I was getting us a room, and I have a thought / tip to pass along. I normally keep a very "clean" car, meaning nothing visible or accessible that has my real name or address on it. I keep all the service receipts, registration etc in the covered well for my spare tire. But I recently got my brakes repaired, and there was a receipt in the glove box where I lazily put it and where the baby could easily have found it. Yikes! I think I am ok, but just a reminder to be ever vigilant. Establish good practices and never, ever deviate.

Back to Latinas for one last minute. If this next baby turns out to fuck as hotly as the one today, I'm done with white girls. I've got a heating pad on my back as I type this, and little Scottie, for once, is sleeping soundly.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott[/QUOTE]

Hey, sorry if I mis-remebered who had the Latina HYB. Good Lord, I had trouble getting out of bed this morning. But it's a good kind of pain, know what I mean?

So, not to seem like a total newbie, but is this a shared attitude? Can one legitimately make that generalization? In my area, they are of two types in terms of Latina profiles: the first goes something like "heyyy, I want your monieeee but we'll have funnnn", which I know is going to be nothing but trouble and drama, but the second type is fairly normal, although there still is a lot of text-ese, which here-to-for has put me off, but maybe I've been making a mistake.

Certainly yesterday's baby was not the most eloquent communicator, but then I was not there to chat, really. I guess I am seeking the collective wisdom and experience of the brethren as to where I should put my limited time and effort. Should I back-burner what I have going currently and re-focus attention on hot young Latinas, which would put me back at the beginning in terms of contact-to-bedroom timespan, or should I stick with what I know I can work with?

In other words, do you all think it is worth the effort to change course with all that entails. Advice, please.

Thanking you all in advance,

Scott

[QUOTE=Lvillig;1301666]I've had about a 30% success rate on MM. Some of the girls on there you can find posted in galleries on here as SB's, on AFF, Fling, or even as pros on Backpage. I've only gotten with one BP pro through MM and she was interested in new shots for her ads. After that however I stuck strictly to lingerie, nude and erotic models. The majority of them are basically broke ass pornstars in training or college girls hoping that someone will "discover" her. I did all of this by setting up a MM account, acquiring a legit seeming business email for the "studio" and buying some pro lighting off of CL. The DSLR I had and I bought a HD Cam. Also, each of the models has to email a release for her photos prior to coming to the shoot. Eventually I'm going to release all of this material as part of a website. I think of it as contributing to my retirement.[/QUOTE]Lvillig,

I missed this reply. You need to elaborate a bit. This could be fun. Walk us through the entire process, if you wouldn't mind. What photos did you put up initially on your MM account? Where is your "studio"? Once the girls respond to your contact, how do you convey that it is not a simple photo shoot, but you want them to come and fuck you? Where does this activity occur? What kind of fee do they then expect? Details, man, details.

Scott

Gentlemen,

I have just returned from an out-of-town business trip, where, employing my tried-and-true OTR (on the road) strategy, I had lined up companionship for all three nights, and was feeling pretty smug. I am now posting to relate the results: no joy in Mudville! I was completely skunked all three nights! I had to have dinner with my clients each evening, which I had explained to my babies, and all seemed to have no problem with meeting afterwards for drinks. Two even asked outright if there might be the possibility of something more if things went well. How could it have gone so utterly south? The only answer I can offer is this: they are a quixotic breed, these sugar babies.

Wednesday night said that it was too late, and she was already a little drunk and didn't want to drive. I offered to pick her up myself, but she said she would never get in a car with a stranger she had only met over the internet. What? Let me see if I have this right. You would happily fuck me after a drink or two, but wouldn't let me drive you to a local bar before hand? Whatever.

Thursday night just never responded once I got there, and Friday said her young son had come down with an asthma attack, which if she were pulling an excuse out of the hat, it was the one single excuse that worked with me. My oldest child suffered from asthma when younger, and I know how worrying it can be.

So it was hotel room porn for me all three nights. Cheaper yes, but I'm overly familiar with my date by this time and I think a little of the romance has gone out of our relationship. Sorry Rosy.

On the "when you get bucked off a horse you get back in the saddle again" front, I met a totally, totally hot baby this afternoon who I am truly afraid may bankrupt me. She is a model, artist (God, I love that combo) and stunner, who has a serious fashion addiction. Hooray for me! We are scheduled for dinner on Thursday, when my SO will be out of town for work herself, and I am hopeful that we will progress smoothly from dessert to a near-by hotel. Please think positive thoughts for me, my brothers, for she is by far the hottest baby I have had the temerity to attempt to land. Think "Old Man and the Sea" kind of thing.

In signing off, I feel I must chide you all for your woeful lack of posts. Scroll down and you will see I am the most recently-vocal of our merry band. Nando, Golf, Tigger, Spit, and others, come on. Surely you have wisdom, or at the very least salacious tales, to impart.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1308297]Gentlemen,

They are a quixotic breed, these sugar babies.[/QUOTE]This sums up the sugar baby search nicely.

Scotty, I feel your pain since failure seems to be the hallmark of trying to land these ephemeral creatures. Keep up the good work. Lit carried the board for a while, now you seem to be the de facto leader.

I am currently experiencing the joy of a stable SB relationship with a wonderful College Girl going on 8 mos or so. This is the ultimate goal for me since I went through a multifucking period and accumulated a boatload of notches on my woody. She is using all my play funds so I don't have any left over to sow any more wild oats-and strangely don't have the desire to. Is it love?

Therefore, I have not had much to contribute here. Occasionally I search the boards in my area and look at the hotties there, missing the chase but I also remembered how hard it was to find one who has the right combination of looks, sex appeal, and intelligence. I am so over the Nando 1's-the poor needy users who have nothing to offer except grief-for the occasional piece of ass.

Ergo- I'm happy but I know things can turn on a dime. If my SB moves on I will be back with a different goal in mind. I WILL look for a quality, educated girl-the true SB looking for her one daddy to help her up in life rather than bail her out of a mess. I'm over the bleeders. It is more expensive but it is a benefit well worth the cost.

Good luck men! I still miss hearing Literal's stories-he seemed to have the most success of all the mongers. I hope he is well and has not fallen on hard times or been outed.

Gentlemen,

In rereading my hot model / artist's profile text, I noticed something I had not seen before: she is interested in women as well, but has never, as of yet, gone there. Now it just so happens that a baby I see once a month or so is also interested in women, and has, as far as she has told me, been with two in her young life.

I'm thinking that, if things go well with the model on Thursday, I may suggest to them both that we three might get together for a "mutually beneficial arrangement". Has anyone arranged such a thing before, and what is the language you would recommend? I don't want to offend either one, and I know I am way out ahead of the situation regarding the model, but I have to admit that it is a pleasant thought to have knocking around in my head. I will certainly let you know what happens.

On another note, Nando, good for you that you are so happy. If I could find someone that captured by attentions like that, I think I would settle down as well. My 20 year old HYB college student is the closest, honestly, but her availability is such that I could go weeks without seeing her, which as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, is not good for my prostate health.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1308944]Scotty, I feel your pain since failure seems to be the hallmark of trying to land these ephemeral creatures. Keep up the good work. Lit carried the board for a while, now you seem to be the de facto leader.

I am currently experiencing the joy of a stable SB relationship with a wonderful College Girl going on 8 mos or so. This is the ultimate goal for me since I went through a multifucking period and accumulated a boatload of notches on my woody. She is using all my play funds so I don't have any left over to sow any more wild oats-and strangely don't have the desire to. Is it love?

Therefore, I have not had much to contribute here. Occasionally I search the boards in my area and look at the hotties there, missing the chase but I also remembered how hard it was to find one who has the right combination of looks, sex appeal, and intelligence. I am so over the Nando 1's-the poor needy users who have nothing to offer except grief-for the occasional piece of ass.

Ergo- I'm happy but I know things can turn on a dime. If my SB moves on I will be back with a different goal in mind. I WILL look for a quality, educated girl-the true SB looking for her one daddy to help her up in life rather than bail her out of a mess. I'm over the bleeders. It is more expensive but it is a benefit well worth the cost.

Good luck men! I still miss hearing Literal's stories-he seemed to have the most success of all the mongers. I hope he is well and has not fallen on hard times or been outed.[/QUOTE]Nando, you've found the same thing that I found in my very first SB. The gold standard. Even though I've tried others afterward, nothing has measured up. Make it last as long as you can and enjoy the ride!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1309418]Gentlemen,

In rereading my hot model / artist's profile text, I noticed something I had not seen before: she is interested in women as well, but has never, as of yet, gone there. Now it just so happens that a baby I see once a month or so is also interested in women, and has, as far as she has told me, been with two in her young life.

I'm thinking that, if things go well with the model on Thursday, I may suggest to them both that we three might get together for a "mutually beneficial arrangement". Has anyone arranged such a thing before, and what is the language you would recommend? I don't want to offend either one, and I know I am way out ahead of the situation regarding the model, but I have to admit that it is a pleasant thought to have knocking around in my head. I will certainly let you know what happens.

On another note, Nando, good for you that you are so happy. If I could find someone that captured by attentions like that, I think I would settle down as well. My 20 year old HYB college student is the closest, honestly, but her availability is such that I could go weeks without seeing her, which as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, is not good for my prostate health.

Keep up the good work,

Scott[/QUOTE]If you can pull it off, great! Do both of them know you're seeing other SBs? If not, might want to mention it before bringing up the 3-way!

Gentlemen,

In the well-known category of "best laid plans", I am posting to report that things fell apart for my artist / model and me on Thursday. In truth, I had just spent the morning and a good chunk of the afternoon with my ATF college HYB, and I just wanted to savor the experience unsullied by any outside distractions. Nando, I am beginning to understand you better.

We rescheduled our dinner for the following night, Friday, and all seemed rosy until I got a test 30 minutes before our reservation asking if I would mind bringing money to pay her cell bill. I agreed, but reminded her of the concept of "mutually beneficial", at which point she went postal (as far as that can be ascertained from texting) and asked me if I expected her to fuck me right there in the restaurant. While that thought had not occurred to me, I began to mull it over as an attractive idea. I was jarred back to reality by her next text, essentially scrubbing the mission, but offering a vague promise of a later launch date tbd.

I thought that would be the end of things, but much to my surprise I got a text yesterday afternoon, asking if we could get together for dinner and. That same evening. I love when I see those three little dots! Unfortunately, my SO was returning from a business trip that night, and I didn't think it would be politic of me to pick her up at the airport, drop her off at home, and then continue on to dinner with someone else. Regretfully, I had to once again decline, but she came back with "what about just getting a hotel this week?" Huh? Well, if you insist.

So, to make a long text exchange short, we are set to meet on Tuesday morning. I have a long list of things she wants me to do to her, and what she will do to me in return, and a little homework to do, since a couple of the things I've never heard of before. Little Scottie and I are delirious with anticipation. My brothers, think good thoughts for me. She is by far the hottest baby I have yet to set my sights on. Luckily, she is headed out of town for three weeks to the far east for a photo shoot, or I might be tapping in to the 401K.

Someone needs to break radio silence here. I know there are many lurkers outside of the Richmond area, like myself, so come on and post, boys.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1312252]Gentlemen,

In the well-known category of "best laid plans", I am posting to report that things fell apart for my artist / model and me on Thursday. In truth, I had just spent the morning and a good chunk of the afternoon with my ATF college HYB, and I just wanted to savor the experience unsullied by any outside distractions. Nando, I am beginning to understand you better.

We rescheduled our dinner for the following night, Friday, and all seemed rosy until I got a test 30 minutes before our reservation asking if I would mind bringing money to pay her cell bill. I agreed, but reminded her of the concept of "mutually beneficial", at which point she went postal (as far as that can be ascertained from texting) and asked me if I expected her to fuck me right there in the restaurant. While that thought had not occurred to me, I began to mull it over as an attractive idea. I was jarred back to reality by her next text, essentially scrubbing the mission, but offering a vague promise of a later launch date tbd.

I thought that would be the end of things, but much to my surprise I got a text yesterday afternoon, asking if we could get together for dinner and. That same evening. I love when I see those three little dots! Unfortunately, my SO was returning from a business trip that night, and I didn't think it would be politic of me to pick her up at the airport, drop her off at home, and then continue on to dinner with someone else. Regretfully, I had to once again decline, but she came back with "what about just getting a hotel this week?" Huh? Well, if you insist.

So, to make a long text exchange short, we are set to meet on Tuesday morning. I have a long list of things she wants me to do to her, and what she will do to me in return, and a little homework to do, since a couple of the things I've never heard of before. Little Scottie and I are delirious with anticipation. My brothers, think good thoughts for me. She is by far the hottest baby I have yet to set my sights on. Luckily, she is headed out of town for three weeks to the far east for a photo shoot, or I might be tapping in to the 401K.

Someone needs to break radio silence here. I know there are many lurkers outside of the Richmond area, like myself, so come on and post, boys.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott, sounds like you're having one heck of a time. Sadly I have yet to hook up with a baby. The few that I have correponded with turn out to be pro / escort, which I am not into. The hunt is still on for me.

Hang in there, Smoke. Keep working on your profile, initial contact and follow up texts and techniques, and soon you'll be in your groove.

Best of luck,

Scott

Gentlemen,

When I first saw the above movie, I was much younger, and thought Dudley Moore was an idiot. Who in his right mind would not want to bang Bo Derek senseless?

Well, my brothers, I am at present older, arguably wiser, and after this morning have a more sympathetic understanding of where Dudley's head was at.

I met up with my hot model / artist this morning, and despite a torrential downpour that paralyzed the city, by 10:12 we were safely tucked away in our hotel room, clothes were coming obediently off, and all signs seemed to point to an enjoyable two hours or so of aerobic fucking.

As predicted by Scottie and me, she was stunning. Legs for days, hips smaller than mine, perfect breasts, gorgeous face, killer lips, and a few tats which were useful as landmarks. We got the first round mutually out of the way, and I was settling in for a good, long session, hoping to make my way through her list before we had to give up the room. She was making appreciative noises, kissing me forcefully, and bucking gently, just like a naughty pony should. What's not to love, right?

And yet, and yet. About ten minutes into it, I found my mind wandering. And even more frightening, Scotties little mind seemed to be wandering as well. Normally he is able to keep his one eye firmly fixed on the activity at hand, focusing with laser-like attention and fueled by generic Viagra. But not today. I had to silently chide him to straighten up and get his head back into the game. Once more into the breach and all that.

It's not that she was doing anything wrong, or that she was not gorgeous, but there was no 'there' there. I made the mistake of trying to make small talk with her for a few minutes or so before we got down to business, and we are just not on the same planet, much less same page. She said the oddest things, and while I don't think there is any kind of cognitive impairment issues, she was just a little – flaky is the only word I can come up with.

Now I know some of you will say, 'Come on, Scott. If you want a great discussion, go date your college English professor. These are HYBs were talking about here. ' To which I would answer that I'm pretty sure my college English professor is enjoying his Eternal Reward at this point, and would resent my asking him out on a date, and add that I can't help it if I want both an HYB and some sort of intellectual involvement as well. Honestly, I kept thinking of my ATF college baby that I spent some time with last week, and who is on my dance card for this coming Thursday. Comparatively nowhere near as hot, but far more completely satisfying, and thus far more erotic.

Long story short, I couldn't wait to get her out of the room, jump in my car, and dash away into the safety of the afternoon's work load. Luckily, housekeeping knocked on the door, even though I put the 'Do Not Disturb' hanger facing out, and the mood, such as it was, was broken.

Now here's the kicker: I got four texts from her, until I had to turn my phone off, saying how much fun it was, how great in bed I was (thank you) , how much she is looking forward to getting together again when she gets back from her photo shoot (London, not the far east, sorry) , and suggesting possible days and times. I think I'm going to have to fake my own death. Am I an idiot? What is wrong with me? I'm fucking Bo Derek's granddaughter, and I can't keep my attention where it's supposed to be because I'm thinking about someone else. Lit, if you're out there, help me. Is Dudley Moore still alive? Does anyone have his phone number? Nando, what have you done to me?

If any of you have helpful advice, please post. I have three weeks to figure this out before she is back stateside.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

Wow I had a similar experience. Mine was older, close to my age, but had a very young acting personality and a body that was out of this world. My first mistake was planning a long date for the first date that included sex (had two prior dates). Bad move, it provided way too much time to interact and get a feel for idiosyncrasies, personality flaws or other things that were weird, that bothered me.

Again, like Scott I'm there for the goodies, but by the time we actually got to the goodies, I had challenges that I don't usually have with others. I expect that the second time would be much better. However I was trying to step out from the norm and comfort of my Latina HYB and it just didn't work. Not only did I have to pay more, I just wasn't as interested emotionally, which affected me physically.

She wants to meet again, but I've already put a hold on that. I'm going back to comfort.

Scott, I can't give you any advice, but I can say, that I realized that I need more than banging body. I'm looking for an all around experience that meets my needs.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1313761]Gentlemen,

When I first saw the above movie, I was much younger, and thought Dudley Moore was an idiot. Who in his right mind would not want to bang Bo Derek senseless?

Well, my brothers, I am at present older, arguably wiser, and after this morning have a more sympathetic understanding of where Dudley's head was at.

Scott[/QUOTE]

Scott and Tigg,

You've touched on the appeal of the SD / SB experience. If all you're after is a quick physical thing, you're better off with an escort. If you want more such as conversation and companionship, then the SD / SB thing is the way to go. Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry. For me anyway.

Tigg,

Thanks for the support. It's funny you mention scheduling too much time. I had originally been resentful that with the rain and all we would only have three hours, but I was counting the minutes at the end. I think I may just pull in my horns for a bit and concentrate on my ATF. She is so sweet, smart, funny, pretty and sexy, and seems to really like our time together. Plus, the sex is off the charts, and she is inventive, creative and an active participant. What is my fixation on multi-fucking?

Not to get too scientific at this moment, but I read an article in The New Yorker many years ago that described a study which correlated the ratio of testicle size to body mass in various vertebrates with the drive for sexual promiscuity. Apparently whales have huge testicles compared to their mass because whale mating is a giant sperm bath, with multiple males mating with every female they can swim next to. On the other hand, the dominant male in a troop of gorillas has very small testicles compared to his mass, since he doesn't have to worry about other, lesser males banging his babes as long as he is on watch. We humans are right on the edge. Testicles neither big enough to make us whales, so to speak, nor small enough to make us the dominant silverback. Hence, I am sure, the conflicting desires to fuck around as much as we can, and to seek stability. Perhaps we are the quixotic ones, not the babies.

Scott

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1313798]Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry.[/QUOTE]Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

When you google that phone number and the computer leaps off the table from all the hits. WOW!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1313860]Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott[/QUOTE]

Well Scott, you are demonstrating the difference between a random fuckfest vs emotional attatchment.

When you have found your own "gold standard " then all others pale next to what she provides. It just goes to show that emotional engagement is necessary for us to be truely happy but is fraught with hazards. After all, the reason most of us are Mongers is because we are not satisfied at home. No es la verdad? I am essentially a one girl type of guy run wild.

My HYB SO SB totally rings all my bells and I no longer have the need to get a random piece of action. I will ride that wave as long as she is there for me. I think as a Daddy I am keeping her happy and in enough $$. The problem is the usual when I am into someone emotionally I get sad when we don't communicate and begin to wonder what is going on. I want her to feel as engaged with me as I am with her. And so it goes. Someone said that he knows he is in love when he uses condoms with the other chicks he goes to bed with.

Pro or not? 1) and 2) sweet nothings (hun and babe are the top two I heard) and google hits have been mentioned by others. 3) Hourly bias suggests that mentality. Hookers do not want to hang out. They are used to hit and run; 4) GPS-high dollar attitude; 5) definite dollar amount (usually hourly) is suggestive but not a sure thing. Hookers know the score although my SB threw out a number but said she wasn't sure that was reasonable and what did I think? Monthly goals are less hookerish. 6) infrequent availability-pros usually have clients and rarely have all night to spend with one guy. Now time depends on the SB-she could be married, have kids, have a demanding job, etc, and thus may not be available for extended times, so you have to take that into account.

Recommendations:

1) request a date-dinner and / or drinks plus "play time" If you hit it off and she says that she would like to see you upstairs now or later then discuss the following items.

2) ask if they are pros."no offence, just asking, not judging. But, etc" Amateurs may feel that you are not a player if you prefer a non pro. If she is a pro then sign her up and enjoy her if that is what you want at the moment.

3) overnights / trips. Make it clear that you expect long dates sometimes. SB' s should not be hourly workers.

4) don't offer to pay a SB by the hour-ever. This is the hallmark of a pro. One of the advantages of a SB is "one allowance fits all " If she gives a price list then she is pro.

5) discuss allowance. Some of us recommend getting that straight before hand, others don't discuss it at all and drop an envelope in their bag after the date. I think that it's best to get the business done before so there won't be hurt feelings or you won't over tip her the first time in the flush of post coital elation.

6) emotional investment. Get it straight in your mind what you are really looking for. Some want none and don't want to have any personal contact. I want and got a SB with all of the sweetness without the clinginess. Be careful what you ask for. You could fall for her.

Good hunting! Nando

How about when they contact you to say they have a hotel room for the next couple of days, and were wondering if you'd like to stop by as your first meeting? This really happened to me. I declined.

In a similar vein, I had one "baby" email me about getting together, and I did my usual "let's meet someplace public for coffee and see if we have any chemistry" spiel, and she emailed back "oh that's right, you guys are all about 'chemistry'." Also declined.

Or if they list their occupation as "entertainer" and you know they're not doing stand-up.

More?

Scott

How about if all her profile photos are clearly taken in the dressing room of a strip club, or if they contain her phone number in glowing neon numerals?

Google her email address. Seen some pretty interesting hits.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1313860]Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1313815]Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet[/QUOTE]You know the old saying."For every hot chic out there I'll show you some guy sick of banging her".

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1315273]Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott[/QUOTE]Good luck and enjoy your time together with her!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1315273]Farewell, my brothers, at least for now

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott[/QUOTE]Nothing lasts in this business, Scott, and this is a P4P business. It's a function of the SB's age and our's (Father Time and nature). We can't push on a string and we can't push on nature. Have a good time while it lasts. See Ya soon. Ye 'Ol Party Pooper, Golfcart whose been there and done that.

P. S. Lit has been AWOL long enough.