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I am a bit new to the mongering scene in Florida (moved here from NV - much easier there) and am looking to get the ropes on how to be sure you are not dealing with LEO's when making initial contact etc.
What are the rules down here? Does contact/grabbing of the crotch make sure she aint LE?
What precautions should a person take if he is going to them (incall)
Thanks for any help and I look forward to posting some reports!!
Hells
Rules of Mongering= free to copy/paste to other cities you play in
I have added few lines and thoughts
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22 Rules for SW Mongering
1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies -They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.
*She is walking aimlessly Goes back, forth and circles keep an open eye but becareful if it's too good to be true It does not hurt to check. You might be lucky see next rules
2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!
3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.
4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.
5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.
6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.
7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.
8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!
9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!
* but if the girl is not uncle Leo's daughter and they are using her to bust dr*g dealers p*mps and John along the way just ask where do you wanna go open a conversation, she'll qualify you...
10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.
11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!
12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.
* do not go exactly where they want you
13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.
*that applies for incalls
14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!
15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)
16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?
*>95% of American WSW are addicted, if she's not American she might wanna pay bills
17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...
* if she starts giving you french lectures all of a sudden then that's you sign
18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.
19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.
*along that line you can see HSW foreign providers do not work 24/7
20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.
And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.
21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.
22. Be friendly. As has been noted in other threads, these are people with feelings, not just automaton sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.
As always Play Safe
I reposted this from a post of Seymore in Atlantic City which is a very good Guide !!!!
added few lines
About rule 20. Don't volunteer that you have a rubber, bc if they think you do they'll lie and say they don't. If you say you don't and let her know its gonna cost her money, she'll "miraculously" find one in the bottom of her purse sometimes.
The flipside is if you don't trust her to not have rubbers older than some beef jerdky then you should use your own no matter what.
[QUOTE=Orlando J]Rules of Mongering= free to copy/paste to other cities you play in
I have added few lines and thoughts
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22 Rules for SW Mongering
1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies -They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.
*She is walking aimlessly Goes back, forth and circles keep an open eye but becareful if it's too good to be true It does not hurt to check. You might be lucky see next rules
2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!
3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.
4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.
5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.
6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.
7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.
8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!
9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!
* but if the girl is not uncle Leo's daughter and they are using her to bust dr*g dealers p*mps and John along the way just ask where do you wanna go open a conversation, she'll qualify you...
10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.
11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!
12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.
* do not go exactly where they want you
13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.
*that applies for incalls
14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!
15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)
16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?
*>95% of American WSW are addicted, if she's not American she might wanna pay bills
17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...
* if she starts giving you french lectures all of a sudden then that's you sign
18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.
19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.
*along that line you can see HSW foreign providers do not work 24/7
20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.
And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.
21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.
22. Be friendly. As has been noted in other threads, these are people with feelings, not just automaton sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.
As always Play Safe
I reposted this from a post of Seymore in Atlantic City which is a very good Guide !!!!
added few lines[/QUOTE]
Anyone know of a notel's or hourly place in Sanford, Deland or Debary? Also has anyone seen any action in the Sanford and north areas?
T69
PHFJ,
Not sure but looks so much like her;
[url]http://orlando.craigslist.org/ers/237901635.html[/url]
[QUOTE=PokeHerFaceJon]Has anyone had the chance to sample this one:
First time I've seen her photo posted. Her name's Holly Workman
PHFJ Out![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hellsbellsfl]I am a bit new to the mongering scene in Florida (moved here from NV - much easier there) and am looking to get the ropes on how to be sure you are not dealing with LEO's when making initial contact etc.
What are the rules down here? Does contact/grabbing of the crotch make sure she aint LE?
What precautions should a person take if he is going to them (incall)
Thanks for any help and I look forward to posting some reports!!
Hells[/QUOTE]Smells like pork in here.
Gotta use my magnum who knows what rubber she has as you said.
[QUOTE=SoFakingDumb]About rule 20. Don't volunteer that you have a rubber, bc if they think you do they'll lie and say they don't. If you say you don't and let her know its gonna cost her money, she'll "miraculously" find one in the bottom of her purse sometimes.
The flipside is if you don't trust her to not have rubbers older than some beef jerdky then you should use your own no matter what.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Orlando J]PHFJ,
Not sure but looks so much like her;
[url]http://orlando.craigslist.org/ers/237901635.html[/url][/QUOTE]
That's not Holly. She's not the same on'e that's had her portrait on fat ass Berry's site.
PHFJ Out!
Rarely do I have anything worthwhile to contribute. There are a couple of "managers" tailing mongers and then robbing/beating them. They have been known to ride in a newer black BMW, an old beat up El Camino and a maroon Corolla. This warning came from a girl I picked up. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but it wouldn't hurt to be a little more cautious in your adventures.
No porkies here BarkinDawg - I realize though that I only have a few reports so far - so yall dont know me yet.
[QUOTE=Tribal69]Anyone know of a notel's or hourly place in Sanford, Deland or Debary? Also has anyone seen any action in the Sanford and north areas?
T69[/QUOTE]
Check the Sanford, Deland Debary listing under Orlando (further down the page). There is action to be had, some of it very worthwhile, some skags.
[QUOTE=BarkinDawg]Smells like pork in here.[/QUOTE]Haha.
" Can someone please e-mail me a Prostitution Protocol's manual on PDF ? Not to get greedy, but a Powerpoint presentation would be much more appreciated! Send your pic along with it so I can thank you in person if we ever bump into each other whilst Mongering! "
Ahh..this shit is crazy.
I found this piece of valuablle advice and thought of sharing with Orlando fellows
Let's say I pull over and invite someone into my car. We drive away and an officer pulls my vehicle over. I haven't commited a crime
The officer might have just cause to pull me over. What he witnessed was a female who he knows to be a prostitute enter a males vehicle in an area that is "infested" with drug dealers and prostitutes. What he witnessed was "Suspected"; he has "Just Cause" to investigate.
So he turns on the Christmas tree lights and you pull over...
LESSON 1: DON'T ADMIT TO ANYTHING - EVER!
The officer probably will leave you in your vehicle and ask your young friend to step to the back. Depending on the SWer and your relationship with her she's going to do one of two things. LIE is one of them. She DOESN'T want to go to jail. And if she get arrested she would appreciate it if the officer charges her with the minimal statute. She likely to cooperate with the officer. So if the two of you talked pay-for-play she'll "implicate" you.
Hopefully you just said hello and didn't get into any $$$ yet. As far as you're concerned you haven't done anything illegal. The officer isn't stupid. He knows you haven't broken the law - and, he knows exactly why you picked up your new female "friend." HE will start a little speach about prostitutes, drug dealers, STDs, yada yada yada, and inform you that your new friend has been arrested numerous times for prostitution and possession. Don't answer anything but, "I haven't done anything wrong. I just offered her a ride. She looked like she needed a lift." REMEMBER - THE OFFICER IS CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION.
So let's say you just picked her up; she hops in, does a Jimmy check and the two off you start talking half-and-half, ben - jackson and abe...and then the cop take you down. I'd be real worried about then 'cause she's not going to attempt to lie her way out of it to save your ass. You're both probably going for a ride. If she's lucky with minimum charges if she's not holding any dope. If you're lucky it will be your 1st offense - it still will hurt your wallet.
Don't talk business until you know your in the clear or just like me I do not talk business at all I just offer help and let her do the talking. I felt I am being setup one time with an escort she kept on asking me explicit questions on the phone maybe 'cause I have seen her before maybe they were using her. I do not know and certainly would like to know. I was not sure who I am talking to over the phone.
LESSON 2: THE COP ISN'T YOUR FRIEND
Don't give him (or her) too much information. If your friend hasn't already admitted to "solicitation" or your "offer to" then all the officers can hope for is for you to ADMIT YOUR GUILT.
If your friend has already "implicated" you, the officers are probably trying to get you to implicate yourself. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! DON'T ADMIT ANYTHING! EVER!!!
Even though she's a known prostiute her accusation alone might get you arrested - it might not get you charged. You might be released without charges at your arraignment. If both of you admit your involvement your both in trouble and will probably be charged.
LESSON 3: DON'T ACCEPT PLEA DEALS
(Unless your counsel advises you to) Worst case scenario...you get arrested, prior to your arraignment an ADA (Assistant Disctrict Attourney) might offer you a plea deal. He might say something like, "The arrest report indicates you admitted offering money for sex...If you accept this plea and sign here you can go home in about two hours." If you accept what the ADA just did was clear hours of work from the schedule and increased their conviction stats.
What the ADA doesn't tell you is that there is avery good chance the magistrate at the hearing will accept your plea of not guilty and release you. The only witness against you is a prostitute. She probably doesn't have a permanent address and chances are she won't be in custody when you trail is scheduled, so the likelyhood that she will be around to testify against you is practically nil.
If you are making a movie then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it is part of dancing on stage then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of a relationship then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of therapy then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of getting a job then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of friendship then sex for money isn't prostitution. If they are living together then sex for money isn't prostitution.
It seems that the common element that makes sex for money not prostitution is that if it's not only sex for money. In all these cases there is a third element involved. It's always sex for money and something else. The one example of prostitution was when there was only sex for money and nothing else. Thus, although the statute defines prostitution as sexual contact in exchange for something of value, it seems like in practice that the real rule is an exchange of something of value for only sex and nothing else. Because if you are buying sex and friendship or sex in the context of a relationship or therapy, or making a movie, then the third element makes the event not an act of prostitution, even with the element of sex for money.
Thus the language of the statute is incomplete because it doesn't say what it really means. Prostitution is more accurately defined as:
"Prostitution", a person commits prostitution if he, in return for something of value to be received by the person or by a third person, engages or offers or agrees to engage in only sexual conduct with another person.
US laws are different than EU or Canada. Playing safe requires knowledge of these laws. Definitely under current laws prostitution is illegal, it's only legal with restrictions in Neva LasVegas.
Here is how it might go:
You: Hi, I've not used your service before and I'd like some information
Girl(s): Sure what would you like to know? (after all, they don't know you yet!)
You: Just general information...what do you charge?? (there's nothing wrong to ask charges after all they are a business)
Girl(s): (watch the wording here) lingerie modeling, dancing, massage, full body massage etc. some might say such $$ and such $$ for full services (I think that's the best for both of us so you would be prepaired and she knows what to expect $$ after all they are offering service(s)
You: you can ask 1 full hr or up to an hour (once you cum she leaves)
Also watch if they say agency fee or all inclusive..or girls accept tips for extra..girls work on tips.
You: Can you tell me more about yourself how do you look like?
Other fair questions
(for an agency) who is available tonight? or I'm looking for;
tall/short/petite/large/slim
blonde/brunette/redhead
asian/hispanic/white
young/old
you can also say something like hot passionate(normally for loud girls)
How soon can you be here? Where are you? not exactly but rather where about?
DO NOT ask;
Will I get laid? Does she do greek? Can I cum twice? No sexual acts or activities!! Where exactly are you?
The girl/agency do not know you as you do not know them
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When meeting the girl
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She will want to sit and talk to you for few minutes to determine if you're not crazy, sick, violent, a cop, ..etc she might qualify you by asking are you LE? the answer is NO any other answer would scare her do not be smart and say Do I look like a cop? if she's going to stay she may ask to "check in" (either with a driver, agency, friend..) Anytime before this point she may back out of the deal and leave. She is also likely to ask for payment up front before calling to check in.
If she is respectable and knows what she's doing she will check it then place it somewhere where she can see it. Of course as I said before if the girl(s) said a full services then it's clear you do not need to get yourself into the trouble of discussing exactly details
This is a perfect way for both of you She already told you what does she expect so you can have it ready. Then you already know this is all.
Always keep extras with you. You tip for a good service and repeat.