"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3529852]What are you guys putting in your SD profile. I seem to draw no luck, been lurking around for the last 1 week and so far, I drew one girl who wanted money this week with a promise to meet next week. One girl who is clearly a pro asking for 400 $ PPM and another who wanted to be my SB but no sex involved.[/QUOTE]I'll be honest, back in March-ish, I signed up on the site when I read about it. I had just found out about this site. I read up on Richmond's thread, and I got NOTHING except the pros, scammers and thin black trannies. I created a fake SB account and looked at the different SD profiles. It gave me a good idea of what a crafted profile is and what the majority of junk ones are. At the end of the first month, I created a new profile and it's been gold since then. I agree with MoonshineXXX to keep sex out of the conversation. I try for the girls who haven't been on the site very long. Most of these girls get on the site because it seemed like it could be fun/useful, or a friend did it. For a lot of girls, there is a long way from signing up on a website and panties hitting the floor. Most of these girls need to be coaxed into bringing out their naughty side over time. You have to change your mindset if you've been in P4P very long. It isn't BP. But, it isn't Eharmny either. Let them know you are serious about meeting and you don't want to string them along. 75+ percent of their contacts aren't serious about meeting and just draw out. There are a few other tips, but I think those go with a person's style. And you have to have some game. It takes a while to hone your approach, but there are plenty of new girls every month on which to do so.

The other thing some guys do is to cycle through accounts every so often. You can re-brand yourself and try for those who got away. I don't have a public photo, and I only give a private photo to the relatively low percentage of SBs that engage well while messaging online and meet my current hunting requirements. So, that leaves a lot of POTs to (re)engage on a new account. There are a few I've let slip past that I would definitely want another shot at, but there are more just like them in the queue.

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3529852]What are you guys putting in your SD profile. I seem to draw no luck, been lurking around for the last 1 week and so far, I drew one girl who wanted money this week with a promise to meet next week. One girl who is clearly a pro asking for 400 $ PPM and another who wanted to be my SB but no sex involved.[/QUOTE]Good advice from both guys. It takes a little game to get the good ones. My profile is fairly straight forward. I tell them I am busy with my job, I don't have time for a real relationship and I hate the jealous drama shit that always accompanies such a relationship. I am single though. If you're married I have no clue what you'd actually put that would lead to more interest other than you are looking for a little hottie with the sex drive and enthusiasm to keep up with you as your wife is no longer interested. Blah blah blah.

As for the girl you got the $400 offer from, I'd have no problem offering her $200, never mention a clock! If she puts a time limit on it drop to $150. Don't be afraid to lowball these girls by half of what they initially quote you, almost 100% of them will drop it down. You have to send out numerous messages. Like 20-30 of them, give them a day or so to read them and then repeat the scenario with 20 different girls if you don't get any positive results.

I once heard a radio station skit, the guy had to walk up to women on the street and ask them if they'd have sex with him, he got shot down by 18 out of 20, but at least 2 of them agreed. So use that mentality that you'll get nothing from most of them, but the ones you do get will be good. Don't just send a simple "Hi!! Sexy, want to fuck?" Engage them a little, according to what info they have in their profile. Pay attention to small details they may have in there. If they mention pets ask about those, they love talking about their pets. LOL Find some common interest.

So far, not bad. It's been about two weeks and I've met about three females from SA.

The first was 19 cute girl, had her come to my hotel, and spent a little over an hour with me. Had a decent time. She was a little green but enthusiastic and eager to learn. I might keep her around to see how good she can get. One time allowance of $100.

The second I met for lunch to see if there was any chemistry. We got along okay but she couldn't get past the fact that I have a wife.

The third I met up with at another hotel. 20 years old, spinner, decent looking. We hit it off really well. Spent about three hours together. First hour was just getting to know each other and getting her something to eat. She was tight as hell. Said she hadn't had sex in a while and I could tell. This one was a tad bit more experienced than the first but was a real freak. I gave this one $200 plus a meal at Subways and she was more than happy. For the next time, we already negotiated half of that amount.

The cost for me, all in, is coming to about the same as with the pros as I have to get hotels to meet in. But, honestly, I feel more comfortable because it's on my terms. I'm loving this site. It takes some game and time but, to me, it's worth it.

I have another 5 or 6 that I'm cultivating now while I plan on seeing the first one again tomorrow. We'll see how these 5 or 6 turn out. The only thing holding me back is that I can only play during work hours so it's hard to schedule "dates" on the fly.

I think I'm going to hang in there with SA. I'm a believer.

[QUOTE=OnyxRain;3530866]So far, not bad. It's been about two weeks and I've met about three females from SA.

The first was 19 cute girl, had her come to my hotel, and spent a little over an hour with me. Had a decent time. She was a little green but enthusiastic and eager to learn. I might keep her around to see how good she can get. One time allowance of $100.

The second I met for lunch to see if there was any chemistry. We got along okay but she couldn't get past the fact that I have a wife.

The third I met up with at another hotel. 20 years old, spinner, decent looking. We hit it off really well. Spent about three hours together. First hour was just getting to know each other and getting her something to eat. She was tight as hell. Said she hadn't had sex in a while and I could tell. This one was a tad bit more experienced than the first but was a real freak. I gave this one $200 plus a meal at Subways and she was more than happy. For the next time, we already negotiated half of that amount.

The cost for me, all in, is coming to about the same as with the pros as I have to get hotels to meet in. But, honestly, I feel more comfortable because it's on my terms. I'm loving this site. It takes some game and time but, to me, it's worth it.

I have another 5 or 6 that I'm cultivating now while I plan on seeing the first one again tomorrow. We'll see how these 5 or 6 turn out. The only thing holding me back is that I can only play during work hours so it's hard to schedule "dates" on the fly.

I think I'm going to hang in there with SA. I'm a believer.[/QUOTE]Have you had any prospects flake on you after you've shelled out hotel fees? I understand having to get a hotel but would be pissed if I kept wasting my time on flakes.

Actually, the first flaked on me originally. I think she got cold feet, as she's younger and seemed very new to this. I tried to line someone else in her place but that person wasn't able to get there in the time I needed her to. So, I got back in contact with the original girl and set something up for the next day.

My strategy with the hotel situation is that I use either Marriott or Starwood hotels because I have gold status with both. That allows me easy early check in and guaranteed late check out. So I have the room from noon on day one until 4:00 pm the next day. That gives me a huge window of time to have multiple dates in one stay or be flexible with my schedule. If I was single, I could easily score 3-4 in that 28-hour period because a few of these girls' schedules don't line up with my daytime availability and they'd rather hook up at night.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3530896]Have you had any prospects flake on you after you've shelled out hotel fees? I understand having to get a hotel but would be pissed if I kept wasting my time on flakes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3530896]Have you had any prospects flake on you after you've shelled out hotel fees? I understand having to get a hotel but would be pissed if I kept wasting my time on flakes.[/QUOTE]This is one area I am very familiar with and I always handle it the same way. I never pay for the room till they get there. Unless I've been with her before or have other reason to believe things are 100% go I wait. Mongering money is hard enough to come by and especially if you have these little hunnies lined up soooo deep. I have WAY too many strung out right now and like OnyxRain was saying I try to maximize my hotel funds by arranging several in the period I have to play. Take in to account that I'm over 60, married and just got over Pneumonia. I still try to schedule 2 if not 3 to play when I spend the money. Generally it 2 one day and 1 the next morning before checkout time.

Just a little food for thought.

SKY.

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3529852]What are you guys putting in your SD profile. I seem to draw no luck, been lurking around for the last 1 week and so far, I drew one girl who wanted money this week with a promise to meet next week. One girl who is clearly a pro asking for 400 $ PPM and another who wanted to be my SB but no sex involved.[/QUOTE]Lurking will not get you what you are looking for!

There are some GREAT contributors to this thread that give mountains of good info about how to use SA but all that said, I get most of mine from the approach I use when contacting them. I found that most never look at my profile till we are fully engaged in conversation so my initial approach to them is what catches their eye.

You need to work on that portion of your strategy. THe right approach is the bait. You set the hook with further conversation. If you have ever fished you know that with some fish you set the hook hard as soon as they bite and with others you need to let them take a bit of line and chew on the bait for a bit before you yank on the pole.

This is exactly the same so work on what you are going to say initially. Make it somewhat short and sweet. I tend to cast mine with a bit on sexual innuendo but not be blatantly out there where someone can complain and get me tossed off the site.

Use you imagination and GO GET 'them!

SKY.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3530896]Have you had any prospects flake on you after you've shelled out hotel fees? I understand having to get a hotel but would be pissed if I kept wasting my time on flakes.[/QUOTE]I don't book a hotel for a girl I haven't already found to be reliable. I make sure we meet close to an area that has more than two hotels in my price range. Hotels com or kayak, etc. Great hotels for $100. If we hit it off, then I pull the trigger. I've even booked at restaurant tables sitting across from the girls. It gets them in the process of transitioning from MnG to vixen. By the time you're both in the room, they are 80% ready.

First of all, the sharing of information and perspective and experience is fantastic. Especially for the SB game.

I love Sky's fishing analogy. I used to trap (fox, raccoon, etc) when I was growing up. The similarities of approach, creativity, adaptability are amazing. Turkey hunting, too. LOL. Sorry for the aside. Blame Sky. LOL.

So. I have never been the first to contact or favorite a SB. I favorite those who favorite me. Then I wait for them to contact me. I've already goth them moving my way at that point. I waste very little time.

Once we exchange some messages, if I think they are worth my time, I move them to text.

I tell them. "I am a respectful fellow, but I am not shy. I will not discuss intimate topics with you until you say it's ok. Then it's game on. I AM NOT SHY. ".

90% of the time, they open the door. The pent up sexual energy is often surprising.

Then we move to voice.

I use each step as a culling process. I get to pic who I want and focus my time / energy / money accordingly.

Patience, is key.

The process also helps to weed out the BSC population. Talk with someone long enough their true self comes out.

I have more women on the line right now than I will be able to f in the foreseeable future.

Play the game right and you will too.

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3531190]This is one area I am very familiar with and I always handle it the same way. I never pay for the room till they get there. Unless I've been with her before or have other reason to believe things are 100% go I wait. Mongering money is hard enough to come by and especially if you have these little hunnies lined up soooo deep. I have WAY too many strung out right now and like OnyxRain was saying I try to maximize my hotel funds by arranging several in the period I have to play. Take in to account that I'm over 60, married and just got over Pneumonia. I still try to schedule 2 if not 3 to play when I spend the money. Generally it 2 one day and 1 the next morning before checkout time.

Just a little food for thought.

SKY.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't book unless I'm almost certain it's a sure thing. Due to my work schedule and time availability, it's hard for me to take too many chances. For instance, with Girl #2, I already knew from our vibe that it wasn't going to move from the restaurant to the hotel so I didn't even bother booking. I haven't wasted any hotel money yet so my strategy is working for me so far. I just have to know how to read the situation and know the probability of closing the deal. Hotels have run me about $80-$100 for a full day plus some hours. To me, it was money well spent. I'm looking at the long term. After about a solid month, I can build a network of 7-8 chicks that I can have on rotation until I want something new and when I add it all up, I think I come out ahead as far as overall bang for my buck (pun intended).

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3531207]I don't book a hotel for a girl I haven't already found to be reliable. I make sure we meet close to an area that has more than two hotels in my price range. Hotels com or kayak, etc. Great hotels for $100. If we hit it off, then I pull the trigger. I've even booked at restaurant tables sitting across from the girls. It gets them in the process of transitioning from MnG to vixen. By the time you're both in the room, they are 80% ready.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3531190]This is one area I am very familiar with and I always handle it the same way. I never pay for the room till they get there. Unless I've been with her before or have other reason to believe things are 100% go I wait. Mongering money is hard enough to come by and especially if you have these little hunnies lined up soooo deep. I have WAY too many strung out right now and like OnyxRain was saying I try to maximize my hotel funds by arranging several in the period I have to play. Take in to account that I'm over 60, married and just got over Pneumonia. I still try to schedule 2 if not 3 to play when I spend the money. Generally it 2 one day and 1 the next morning before checkout time.

Just a little food for thought.

SKY.[/QUOTE]Holy cow Sky. You are the man! In your sixties and getting over Pneumonia, you must be taking lots of blue pills. Damn, it's all I can do to get ready maybe 3 days after one for another one, and you are doing 2 or 3 in a day or so! Good for you. My hat off to you.

Am getting the benefit of it being closer to Athens. The quality and quantify have gone UP over the last 3 weeks.

Anyone one else notice this in the ATL or is over this direction?

I am 5 for 5 over the last 3 weeks: Met up with 5 different college girls resulting in 8 rodeo sessions (scoring with all 5 that day or soon after) and I have more beating down my door and the ones I have already serviced begging for more. All were the pick of the bunch (ridiculously hot sorority / cheerleader types).

Having to ice down my ballls. Never in my wildest dreams.

That's awesome. That's about 40 minutes out from me so it's doable. I've been doing Atlanta and Marietta, which is just as far. Out of curiosity, what do find the average "allowance" to be for these girls?

[QUOTE=Logjammin18;3532746]Am getting the benefit of it being closer to Athens. The quality and quantify have gone UP over the last 3 weeks.

Anyone one else notice this in the ATL or is over this direction?

I am 5 for 5 over the last 3 weeks: Met up with 5 different college girls resulting in 8 rodeo sessions (scoring with all 5 that day or soon after) and I have more beating down my door and the ones I have already serviced begging for more. All were the pick of the bunch (ridiculously hot sorority / cheerleader types).

Having to ice down my ballls. Never in my wildest dreams.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;3532746]Am getting the benefit of it being closer to Athens. The quality and quantify have gone UP over the last 3 weeks.

Anyone one else notice this in the ATL or is over this direction?

I am 5 for 5 over the last 3 weeks: Met up with 5 different college girls resulting in 8 rodeo sessions (scoring with all 5 that day or soon after) and I have more beating down my door and the ones I have already serviced begging for more. All were the pick of the bunch (ridiculously hot sorority / cheerleader types).

Having to ice down my ballls. Never in my wildest dreams.[/QUOTE]I've DEFINITELY noticed an uptick in activity. Some of these girls are having financial issues and looking for ways out. I've met up with 4 this week, and double booked 2 the day after we first met. After we've texted a bit and they've disclosed they're stressing out over finances, I ask what they need. Some are needing $$s. But they say they'd really like to get to know me. We meet, I make a reasonable donation to their favorite charity, and the followup texts requesting future Time pour in. It's a scheduling issue from there.

TG.