The Massholes

I have been responding to CL W4M ads that say they are BLACK, and after they get my email, and send me fotos, they are WHITE!

Some times, they age the response several days, even several weeks.

As for the FRUITLOOPS, I haven't encountered them, yet.

I usually hunt by 'black w4m, blk w4m, chocolate, ebony, african, caramel, mocha, w4m, etc.

Maybe the fruities haven't crossed the color barrier yet.

Once you go BLACK, you never go back! Its true if your first one is a good one.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;1576504]Why do men post ads in the W4M section of CL. What do they get out of it. I go there looking for women, but yet you get "fruitloops" pretending to be a gril looking for guys. Fuucking losers, man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hank The Dwarf;1591550]Once you go BLACK, you never go back! Its true if your first one is a good one.[/QUOTE]If you have forgotten my chocolate loving comrade, I am Black-American. I have had oodles and oodles of my black women. I often have "yellow fever" but I LOOOOVE my chocolate! .

How come so many girls ask you if you are affiliated? For some reason they actually believe it would be entrapment if Uncle doesn't tell them the 100% truth when asked these type of questions. It seems to be a very common belief to those in the biz. What is the deal with that? Any shred of truth to it? I highly doubt it.

[QUOTE=Werm2011;1604682]How come so many girls ask you if you are affiliated? For some reason they actually believe it would be entrapment if Uncle doesn't tell them the 100% truth when asked these type of questions. It seems to be a very common belief to those in the biz. What is the deal with that? Any shred of truth to it? I highly doubt it.[/QUOTE]Think about it, Of course they can lie about being a Cop.

No point in going under cover if all you have to do is say "Are you a Cop?"

[QUOTE=Werm2011;1604682]How come so many girls ask you if you are affiliated? For some reason they actually believe it would be entrapment if Uncle doesn't tell them the 100% truth when asked these type of questions. It seems to be a very common belief to those in the biz. What is the deal with that? Any shred of truth to it? I highly doubt it.[/QUOTE]A lot of these girls just aren't that bright, or well educated, in spite of the number of "college girls" there are. The smart ones know it's useless to even ask and screen their clients instead.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

I do understand that it's a myth. I was just curious as to why so many believe it. I actually like the myth being out there since many of them are much more comfortable with you once you give them the firm "no". They will also give you more explicit info by phone once they are 'convinced' by your response.

If I'm not mistaken a similar myth is that Leo cannot legally take his / her clothes off in your presence. I know a few girls would wait for that moment before commencing with business. MP busts would be very difficult for LE if they weren't allowed to fully disrobe, obviously.

As far as other 'cop checks'. I've never read anything absolutely concrete as to how far an undercover is allowed to go while trying to gather evidence, such as touching, etc. Could that be myth as well? Why wouldn't Leo be allowed to touch if the subject under investigation requests it?

[QUOTE=Blazer5; 1604724]Think about it, Of course they can lie about being a Cop.

No point in going under cover if all you have to do is say "Are you a Cop?"[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1604733]A lot of these girls just aren't that bright, or well educated, in spite of the number of "college girls" there are. The smart ones know it's useless to even ask and screen their clients instead.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werm2011; 1604772]I do understand that it's a myth. I was just curious as to why so many believe it. I actually like the myth being out there since many of them are much more comfortable with you once you give them the firm "no". They will also give you more explicit info by phone once they are 'convinced' by your response.

If I'm not mistaken a similar myth is that Leo cannot legally take his / her clothes off in your presence. I know a few girls would wait for that moment before commencing with business. MP busts would be very difficult for LE if they weren't allowed to fully disrobe, obviously.

As far as other 'cop checks'. I've never read anything absolutely concrete as to how far an undercover is allowed to go while trying to gather evidence, such as touching, etc. Could that be myth as well? Why wouldn't Leo be allowed to touch if the subject under investigation requests it?[/QUOTE]A few years back there was a newspaper article on the subject, which included a judge's ruling on a prostitution arrest in Mass. The girl had testified that the undercover officer had denied he was a cop, and had touched her breasts to prove it. She was claiming that the case should be thrown out because of it. The judge stated that (paraphrasing from memory here) , Undercover police officers are often required to do and say things which would normally be considered improper, or immoral, in order to maintain there cover. A rather vague statement, which could conceivably cover a very wide range of actions. But it is clear that intimate touching is considered to be acceptable for undercover officers. I'd suspect that more than likely most judges would be fine with anything short of an actual sex act.

I've met a few girls who would not discuss any business at all until they've performed a BJ for a few seconds first. That's probably the safest way to go, and I certainly wasn't going to complain about it. But it's not really useful for girls working online, since no matter what they say on the phone they will get arrested when Uncle Leo meets up with them. Their current tactic is to just arrest everyone and let the court decide if there's enough evidence for a charge. That's why many girls are big on screening, because once you make an appointment with Uncle Leo, you will get arrested.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

Interesting info, HH. I didn't expect to get such an apparently decisive answer to my question. Thanks for taking the time.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1604781]A few years back there was a newspaper article on the subject, which included a judge's ruling on a prostitution arrest in Mass. The girl had testified that the undercover officer had denied he was a cop, and had touched her breasts to prove it. She was claiming that the case should be thrown out because of it. The judge stated that (paraphrasing from memory here) , Undercover police officers are often required to do and say things which would normally be considered improper, or immoral, in order to maintain there cover. A rather vague statement, which could conceivably cover a very wide range of actions. But it is clear that intimate touching is considered to be acceptable for undercover officers. I'd suspect that more than likely most judges would be fine with anything short of an actual sex act.

I've met a few girls who would not discuss any business at all until they've performed a BJ for a few seconds first. That's probably the safest way to go, and I certainly wasn't going to complain about it. But it's not really useful for girls working online, since no matter what they say on the phone they will get arrested when Uncle Leo meets up with them. Their current tactic is to just arrest everyone and let the court decide if there's enough evidence for a charge. That's why many girls are big on screening, because once you make an appointment with Uncle Leo, you will get arrested.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

Would like some feedback on how I would run things if I was an escort, Host in a home, Not a hotel. Make the client walk in the house while the escort is not there, Client walks in puts the money on the table, Then gets naked and lies down in the bed, Maybe have a phone for the client to call the escort "I'm naked in bed waiting for you. Then the escort comes into the room while client is already naked So Would this not work?

Would LE get naked and lie down in a bed? Now I know the risks, Having a complete stranger walk into your home? What if he steals stuff etc? I know if you let a cop into your home or hotel your a sitting duck and will get arrested no QUESTION. Or better yet make the client get naked in the hall way then let him into your home, I doubt LE would walk in with out there gun and cuffs on them My ex girlfreind worked from back page, and I had a certain set up, not going to say more.

I'm trying to explain things the best I can.

[QUOTE=Asket;1605737]I know if you let a cop into your home or hotel your a sitting duck and will get arrested no QUESTION. Or better yet make the client get naked in the hall way then let him into your home, I doubt LE would walk in with out there gun and cuffs on them.[/QUOTE]If the police are undercover I doubt they will have their gun or handcuffs on them. All the undercover that go to mp's would blow their cover as soon as they undressed. Either that or they would scare the shit out of the girl.

[QUOTE=Rito1;1606391]If the police are undercover I doubt they will have their gun or handcuffs on them. All the undercover that go to mp's would blow their cover as soon as they undressed. Either that or they would scare the shit out of the girl.[/QUOTE]Thats what I thought, So I'm a little confused, Does le go get back rub and hand jobs for months? Then they all go in one day and make the arrest. I thought it is against the law for le to partake in any sex act?

[QUOTE=Asket; 1605737]Would like some feedback on how I would run things if I was an escort, Host in a home, Not a hotel. Make the client walk in the house while the escort is not there, Client walks in puts the money on the table, Then gets naked and lies down in the bed, Maybe have a phone for the client to call the escort "I'm naked in bed waiting for you. Then the escort comes into the room while client is already naked So Would this not work?

Would LE get naked and lie down in a bed? Now I know the risks, Having a complete stranger walk into your home? What if he steals stuff etc? I know if you let a cop into your home or hotel your a sitting duck and will get arrested no QUESTION. Or better yet make the client get naked in the hall way then let him into your home, I doubt LE would walk in with out there gun and cuffs on them My ex girlfreind worked from back page, and I had a certain set up, not going to say more.

I'm trying to explain things the best I can.[/QUOTE]If your primary concern is avoiding being arrested, the safest way to do it from a provider's point of view, it to only offer outcalls to private residences. Uncle Leo would never do a sting from their own home, and it's a lot of work for them to set up something like that. Not impossible, but probably not worth the expense and effort for a prostitution bust. Outcalls to hotels are more of a risk, as Uncle Leo can easily arrange that. Incalls are the highest risk as it involves little to no planning or expense for Uncle Leo. Incalls are also a much higher risk for problem clients (robbers, rapists, serial killers) as there is no connection to their identity involved. Where as if the girl was going to their home, or hotel, there's a connection to their identity. You'd need to be really insane to try to rob, rape, or kill, a provider who you called to come to your home or hotel (especially one who has a driver or works for an agency) , as your chances of getting caught increase exponentially. This is why providers who offer incalls (and SW's) , are the most targeted by Uncle Leo, and the robbers, rapists, and killers.

Xoxo.

Nyx

There are many states that do not acknowledge "entrapment" and we happen to live in one state that is one.

Law enforcement are allowed to handle their business in matter that they feel is fit for the case.

It does not matter if you ask "are you affiliated with law enforcement in any way?" do the "cop check (touching each other" the minute you pick up the phone and arrange a meeting you are busted. The simple act of setting up an appointment and going through with meeting each other is a crime.

(if the female provider has reviews its harder for her to prove her case. The courts can bring in your reviews, ads, website etc to make their case) (hense; ups and downs to having reviews, they are a good resource for both the good and bad reasons, same with a personal website, its all risks we take)

Anyways. Here is a website that may help some

[url]http://www.bostoncriminaldefenselawyer-blog.com/2011/06/criminal-law-defense-of-entrap.html[/url]

Just an example of entrapment; a police officers goes undercover and starts getting all buddy-buddy with a known street dealer. They become close and the street dealer builds a trust with him. This allows for the police officer to do what he has to do in order to build a case on the street dealer. The police officer keeps track of his moves etc. And before you know it the police officer has enough evidance to arrest him. (entrapment)

A working girl can have a client for months and the client is law enforcement. The law enforcement builds a repor and allows the female to be comfortable with him. In the mean time the police officer is keeping records of monies, activities they do together etc. (entrapement)

Because the undercover officer is not cohersing (not sure of spelling) the parties into something that they are not already accustomed to doing the officer is not committing any kind of entrapment. He is simply allowing the parties to do what they would normally do. This allows for him to build his case and take it to court.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1604781]A few years back there was a newspaper article on the subject, which included a judge's ruling on a prostitution arrest in Mass. The girl had testified that the undercover officer had denied he was a cop, and had touched her breasts to prove it. She was claiming that the case should be thrown out because of it. The judge stated that (paraphrasing from memory here) , Undercover police officers are often required to do and say things which would normally be considered improper, or immoral, in order to maintain there cover. A rather vague statement, which could conceivably cover a very wide range of actions. But it is clear that intimate touching is considered to be acceptable for undercover officers. I'd suspect that more than likely most judges would be fine with anything short of an actual sex act.

I've met a few girls who would not discuss any business at all until they've performed a BJ for a few seconds first. That's probably the safest way to go, and I certainly wasn't going to complain about it. But it's not really useful for girls working online, since no matter what they say on the phone they will get arrested when Uncle Leo meets up with them. Their current tactic is to just arrest everyone and let the court decide if there's enough evidence for a charge. That's why many girls are big on screening, because once you make an appointment with Uncle Leo, you will get arrested.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

There has been much banter about performing LE Checks recently, and it comes up from time to time. The link below is to is current media news Article for Woburn for this week for a couple of unfortunate out of state providers. This article mentions one of the commonly used techniques providers can use. Of course, I realize that there is a lot of white space where we do not have (and we never ever ever have) all of the facts for the story. It is obvious that services and / or money may or may not have already been discussed if the provider was already naked.

Bottom line is that it seems like the provider might have wanted to do the reach-into-his-pants routine much earlier in the meet-up, as part of an upfront LE Check, rather than using it later as part of the already naked sexual exploits routine. Then, maybe, it would have not been followed up by the signal being given. Stay safe, mongers and providers alike!

[url]http://woburn.patch.com/articles/new-jersey-woman-arrested-for-prostitution-bddb899c[/url]

All right, I am probably the only person out there that had not seen Psy's Gangnam style video-but after seeing it I had to turn to the monger community to comment. Did anyone else watch that video and see all those perfect specimens of Korean girls and wish they were staffing your neighborhood AMP, or am I the only one out there that kept thinking that. Especially the red head on the subway train. OK-fantasy over. Now back to the 40+ chubby Mamasans.

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