"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So after 18 months with my 20 year old princess I had to pull the plug. I had her on a 1 k a month allowance and she averaged 2 k a month on her job.

Since she lived at home and paid no rent her progress from having nothing when I met her to having all the basics is now complete.

She was my version of a 10/10 but never achieved the skill level in the FC to keep it going. Its too bad and a little sad, but the time and energy plus the funds just didn't add up anymore.

Since she was my professed GF, I am now officially single again so to speak. And like JL says someone has to be the boss, and I was definitely not in total control anymore so I had to give it up. Sb creep had settled in and my CPO was way off base. Every current girl I am seeing is at a strict $ per date or less (and this includes any all extras like rooms or food, excluding gas). This is going to make a big change in my ability to play and save for the rest of the year.

So yes, I do pay very little in cash but a lot in mentoring, emotional attachment, etc.

Not sure of the Nando number -- but I would run from this one -- reeks of a woman wanting to get her hooks into you. Keep your personal info VERY secret. This type do not take rejection well!

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2204341]So my very first M&G went well IMO. Met my sexy blonde 30 y / o, we had drinks, flirted a lot and then I asked if she wanted to get a room. Neither of us were particularly expecting a trip to the FC but being a good boy scout I was prepared. She hadn't had sex in almost 2 years, was very sensitive and came easily and loudly. So I now have my first SB and we'll see where it goes from here. It's a first time experience for both of us and lots of fun. However, she was adamant about not getting naked until I committed to her as my only SB before the deed, which of course I did. She is my only SB "at this time" but I have another M&G set up for today that I don't expect to go to the FC and I'll make a decision on who I want to be with for now. I don't think she understands that this type of relationship is supposed to be transitional and isn't a long-term commitment. I'm just starting to have fun and I want to see what's out there. Next date I'm going to explain in further detail exactly how this works. I don't want her to feel like I used her and threw her to the side. I like her too much for that. But, there were some red flags last night, and I probably should have avoided the FC on the first date with this one but the call of the FC was too strong.

Red Flags: I only have ever dated non-smokers and picked her profile specifically because she didn't smoke, so imaging my surprise when she showed up with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth. The smell of it actually turns me off so much that I had a hard time keeping an erection, although I did manage 2 pops.

She has expensive tastes in jewelry, purses, etc. But had zero money on her even though she owns a legitimate small business.

She is already making long-term dating plans based on the fact that we did the deed. I came into this SD thing wanting to meet as many women as I could. I'm not looking for monogamy.

My starting budget is probably in the $1 k / month range, but with the date, some sugar, gas, hotel room, wine, etc. I racked up well over $400 which will mean 2-3 dates per month MAX and that doesn't allow for other M&Gs to bolster my future rotation. I still have half a dozen women that I'm interested in looking to meet me. I guess I'll commit to this one somewhat as I learn the ropes, set some rules and see what happens.

SOL.[/QUOTE]

I've been looking every where for a sd, but no luck 423XXX327 zero, I can send pictures <3.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2204620]So after 18 months with my 20 year old princess I had to pull the plug. I had her on a 1 k a month allowance and she averaged 2 k a month on her job.

Since she lived at home and paid no rent her progress from having nothing when I met her to having all the basics is now complete.

She was my version of a 10/10 but never achieved the skill level in the FC to keep it going. Its too bad and a little sad, but the time and energy plus the funds just didn't add up anymore.

Since she was my professed GF, I am now officially single again so to speak. And like JL says someone has to be the boss, and I was definitely not in total control anymore so I had to give it up. Sb creep had settled in and my CPO was way off base. Every current girl I am seeing is at a strict $ per date or less (and this includes any all extras like rooms or food, excluding gas). This is going to make a big change in my ability to play and save for the rest of the year.

So yes, I do pay very little in cash but a lot in mentoring, emotional attachment, etc.[/QUOTE]Hollywood, I ask because I had one SB for about a month and realized we weren't a good fit afterall. When I told her that we were done She became sort of hostile and made noises like she was totally invested in the relationship and that I couldn't just walk away. The money I spent was too small to take care of all her bills so who knows what was going on.

So your relationship, despite her low expenses, makes me curious how an arrangement that long goes over with the SB.

Thank you as always for your time and wisdom.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2204646]Not sure of the Nando number -- but I would run from this one -- reeks of a woman wanting to get her hooks into you. Keep your personal info VERY secret. This type do not take rejection well![/QUOTE]No, my sugar was $$. But with food / drinks / hotel / wine etc I actually spent close to $500. There are other costs to be factored in and I will have to learn to lessen those other costs. $$ a date I can handle, especially if we're together 5 hours + like we were, but I wanted to impress so I went over and above. My fault on that one, but as I was watching my funds diminish I realized I can't blow money like that on every date. She wasn't asking for more than drinks, and wasn't prepared to go to the FC either but I'm very charming.

SOL.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2204663]Hollywood, I ask because I had one SB for about a month and realized we weren't a good fit afterall. When I told her that we were done She became sort of hostile and made noises like she was totally invested in the relationship and that I couldn't just walk away. The money I spent was too small to take care of all her bills so who knows what was going on.

So your relationship, despite her low expenses, makes me curious how an arrangement that long goes over with the SB.

Thank you as always for your time and wisdom.[/QUOTE]We had many conversations over the months about picking it up in the bedroom, all to no avail. There were many magic moments but not enough to sustain the relationship. For me every time has to be an over the top experience or why am I there? She knew the handwriting was on the wall and I bonus-ed her at the end so she would have nothing to complain about. She said she was totally devoted to me during our time together, and that was true.

I knew from the beginning I was going to have to try to push her limits. I did try but failed. I was very clear that the break up was over sex. And most are either over sex or money. I always paid the agreed upon amount no matter how often we hooked up. It started out at 8 times a month and ended up at 4 times a month. Way over my budget. So there really was no mystery and I gave her every chance to get up to speed. She can easily find someone to pay more and she knows it. She is also debt free and fully employed, so there is really no need for any drama. And there isn't any.

In civi dating you sometimes have to take what you can get, but not in the sugar world.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2204646]Not sure of the Nando number -- but I would run from this one -- reeks of a woman wanting to get her hooks into you. Keep your personal info VERY secret. This type do not take rejection well![/QUOTE]I agree, RUN. One thing you need to understand is that we are in the SD / SB relationship because we do not want to settle for less. I am like you with the smoking thing. I never would have gotten past a couple of cocktails because of that. You need to cut her loose before you get too involved. While you did well value wise, if she is not meeting all of your expectations, just say "NEXT". There are far too many others in the sugar bowl. Since you have just started with this, I would suggest you spend the time enjoying every M&G you can. Remember, you are interviewing them, not the other way around. I personally make it a policy to not go to the FC on the first date. This gives me the opportunity to let the big head make the decision. Also, there is no reason to wine and dine them. Spend a pile of cash on the M&G and they get in their head you are an ATM. Good luck with your hunting, and be safe.

[QUOTE=nerd29;2204525]I had been texting and emailing a POT for about a month as she was pretty nervous about meeting and seemed to be in and out of a bad relationship. I get a text with the standard "I really hate to ask you this but. " Well she needed a little bit of money and asked if I could help her out. I weighed the pros and cons and decided to meet her that afternoon and give her $. 6 as a down payment. She seemed super happy and we talked about meeting the next day. So fast forward a day and I send her a text letting her know I was in my way to our planned meeting spot. She texts back about 30 minutes later asking if I was there and she was trying to get another $. 4 from her uncle. Another 30 minutes go by and she sends another text saying she could not make it because she did not want to get pulled over for not having current insurance on her car. I tell her no worries and go silent. 2 days later she sends a text asking where I have been and why I have not talked to her. I send a simple response saying I was disappointed in her backing out of our meet and it gives me serious doubt I can trust her to keep her word especially since I already helped her out some with money. Never heard back. Oh well. I really did want to go FC with this one as I had a lot of time invested and she was super cute.

I will be visiting Manhattan for 11 days for work and if anyone has any leads in that area pm me with any information you are willing to provide.

Thanks! And happy hunting![/QUOTE]I have advanced a little money a few times in the past and only got burned once. Fortunately it was only $100. But, what I have learned from doing that is if you do it once, they will always have an emergency and need you to advance them. I no longer do that and discuss this at the M&G if it looks like we will proceed to the FC. It never ends with those type of girls.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2205182]I have advanced a little money a few times in the past and only got burned once. Fortunately it was only $100. But, what I have learned from doing that is if you do it once, they will always have an emergency and need you to advance them. I no longer do that and discuss this at the M&G if it looks like we will proceed to the FC. It never ends with those type of girls.[/QUOTE]I should have stuck to my own rule of not providing without receiving. I thought this might have been that little push needed to cross the barrier. Oh well, sometimes a calculated risk pays off and other times, not so much.

If any of the local guys have any reasonable petite lady anywhere near Lake An*na? Up there quite a bit and it is a desert!

PM me.

Regards.

GW.

P.S. or Oran*ge - or Lou*isa or Spotsy*lvania !!

Date # 2 with my current SD4M UTR went well. It started out with her asking for $$$$ LOL. I told her I wasn't sure where she got that from as I had only given her $ for the first date. So I told her, here's your $ and if you want to throw me out now, No Problem. That didn't happen. So we spent the next hour playing and talking before she had to go to work. I dropped her off and then went home.

She is one of the now, many many girls playing the UTR game by only posting on the SD sites like they are semi innocent college students. Which she is (a student that is). We talked about a lot of things, and like many girls in her situation she doesn't really have anyone to hang out with in between work, school, and working the SD sites. I told her I would be happy to pick her up from school or see her on her day off, and go invisible when the big spenders show up.

I also told her, you've got to have some fun on this job, (and being a working UTR is a job). So it might as well be me. She agreed that $$ was the standard for someone with her looks but agreed to keep taking the $ for now. She does have two guys paying like 4 to 5 bills a visit (that she met on the SD site), but admitted they aren't regular enough to help her get where she is trying to go. And definitely don't have enough game to be considered a fun date.

I realize this is an SB thread but UTR's are now fully one third of all the good looking girls on SD4M in my area. Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to dating a UTR. The main advantage is the quality of the sex. I have dated enough SB's to know that the quality can vary widely in the bedroom. You are trading a bit of that sometimes for the exclusivity of the arrangement. A true SB is a serial monogamist. So the safety factor as far as STD's is pretty high. With a UTR you may have a girl dating as many as 5 guys regularly, not counting random dates.

But most UTR girls are at least an 8 in the skills dept. And many are 9's and 10's. If you are a high volume dater like me it's not that easy to have enough true SB's (for a $ a visit) with awesome skills, that are in rotation and be able to fill out the whole week. Especially when they are limited to about one visit per week. Also an SB with 9+ looks who knows she is a 9+ in the bedroom is usually going to want more than a $ a visit. So there just arent enough of them to fill out my schedule. I like variety, so this is a good alternate solution for me while I look for the NP first timers.

Due to the graphic nature of these pics, I put them in the "Sugar Daddy Sites" thread.

These pics are rated TV-MA and contain the following sub-rating, S for mature audiences only.

Likes baby girl role play. Total damage, the cost of the room.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=2207885&posted=1[/URL]#post2207885.

So, I have been wasting away, my favorite, the translator has left the country and won't be back for another month, when out of the blue I get an email from one I wrote off earlier this year. Said she was ready, so we are supposed to meet and complete today. Judging by the pics she sent, she looks ready (kept the nude for myself.)[ATTACH=CONFIG]341993[/ATTACH].

Gentlemen,

I recognize that I promised a recap of my exploits, or lack thereof, some time ago, and I'm glad to see no one was holding his breath LOL! I've finally got some time to catch you all up on a particularly interesting development, I believe, in my career in the Bowl. I know there will be advice, criticism and assorted words of wisdom, but no haters is all I ask.

As many of you remember, I reconnected with my ATF about a year ago, after she left me a year before that for someone else her own age who had suddenly "become significant. " While I was truly devastated, I know these things have a lifespan, and I attempted to move on, semi-successfully.

This was the Monday after Father's Day, 2012, not that I'm keeping a diary or anything. Flash forward almost exactly a year, and out of the blue I get a text from her, saying how much she misses me, how she thinks about me constantly, and how much she wants to get back together! I believe I posted about this when it happened. Of course I was overjoyed, and came running back like a shot, despite the advice of many of you to play it cool and keep a little distance this time. No luck there. It turns out that the "friend" she left me for was not a guy, as I surmised, but another girl, and now she was in a committed lesbian relationship but had been telling the gf about me when the gf suggested that she get back in touch, and had no problem with us resuming a physical relationship!

I was stunned, of course, but not one to look a gift pussy in the ... whatever ... so I readily agreed to a resumption of festivities. It took me a little time to arrange for some unsupervised playtime, but we finally secured a night out, went to dinner, and when I drove her home she pulled me into the back seat, tore open her pantyhose and jumped on little Scottie with vigor, bareback! I know, I know, I have always been the one preaching safety first, but we had had some wine, it was late, we were there, Scottie was in control etc.

She assured me she was on bc, and had been having sex exclusively with her gf, so I thought I was ok. We met a couple of more times, and each time circumstances contrived to get me inside her unsuited, so to speak. By the fourth time, I just assumed everything was ok, and was totally digging it.

A funny thing happened next, which some of you might already be seeing on the horizon, but I sure didn't. She stopped calling, texting or responding to my texts, and when she did, it was always some vague and lame excuse. I began to assume that, as my hero F Scott Fitzgerald wrote, "you can never repeat the past," and reluctantly moved on. I then had a little bit of a medical scare which necessitated me to sell my business and focus on treatment for six months or so, at the end of which my SO and I decided to sell the Big House in the burbs and look for an apartment in the city. I admit I was harboring fantasies of getting back in touch with my ATF once we were installed in our new digs, and on a weekend about two months ago we were walking around the neighborhood where my ATF lives, scouting possible apartments to look at, when who should I see walking towards us but ATF and her gf, and ATF is noticeably pregnant!

Yike, yikes and double yikes! As we four pass each other, and I try very hard to remain on my feet and keep from wetting myself, ATF smiles this sly smile and walks past. When my hearing and vision return in a minute or two, I begin to achieve clarity on the entire situation, which I would like to pose to the assembled brethren for comment. But remember no haters.

Here's what I think happened: ATF gave in to her lesbian nature, which was always somewhat there I have to admit, and dumped yours truly for this new GF. After a year of bliss, she decides that the only thing that would make them happier is a baby, and I don't mean an SB. In vitro being expensive, she thinks around about who she could lure into donating the necessary gametes, and rightly enough hits on me, a guy who was always caring, loving, and who she once did love back, I'm convinced. Getting me to fuck her bareback was child's play, but once the seed was planted, she had no more need for dicks, so it was back to Lesbian Bliss and wait for the blessed event. Needless to say, I have not heard from her since the day I spotted her, and don't believe I ever will.

I know this is all circumstantial conjecture on my part, but it all adds up and makes some kind of sense. I don't know how to feel about it, frankly. On the one hand I'm hurt and pissed, on the other I'm secretly happy that she and I will always have a bond, on the third hand unless she allows it at some point, I will probably never see this child, on the fourth hand maybe I should be happy about that, on the fifth hand I think I might like to, since while in the depths of my obsession with her I did fantasize about ruining my life and running away with her, on the sixth hand I don't know for certain it's mine. I'm just having a little trouble making all this lie down comfortably in my head and stop making a rukus.

In the meantime, things are starting to normalize on the Homefront, so I am back in the Bowl and having a blast. I'll save those details for another post, but suffice it to say I'm glad to have reactivated my membership in the Clubhouse, and look forward to your comments and posts in the future.

BTW. For those of you who remember, nothing ultimately came of Hot Yoga Babe, though we did make out in her car after class one evening. I think she couldn't handle the thought of a married guy, or maybe I just didn't impress her with my kissing ability. Nah!

Peace to you all, my brothers, and do no harm!

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2208344] I'm just having a little trouble making all this lie down comfortably in my head and stop making a rukus.
[/QUOTE]For all my countless unprotected romps, it is actually incredible to me to realize that I've only had one pregnancy scare in my lifetime, and yes it is a mind-fuck I will never forget (and that's coming from someone who isn't mind-fucked easily). I never want to go through it again.

I hope your theory is correct regarding her motives. There are women out there who will pay good money for sperm when they want a kid, so if the worst of her crimes was getting paid to get spermed, then you probably came out ahead (pun untentional). I just wonder what legal recourse she has to demand a paternity test + financial support after the bills start coming in and she realizes she will need a few hundred thousand to get the kid to age 18. I sincerely hope you escape that part.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2208361]I just wonder what legal recourse she has to demand a paternity test + financial support after the bills start coming in and she realizes she will need a few hundred thousand to get the kid to age 18.[/QUOTE]Lizard,

I'm not entirely sure she knows exactly who I am, but she may. I know there are private detectives out there who can find just about anyone, so I'm under no delusion that I can remain hidden if she really wanted to contact me.

At this exact point, I'm not sure that I wouldn't be willing to help her out if it turns out that her baby is ours. From all I think I know about her, she is not vindictive, and probably really did just want a baby.

[QUOTE=FScott;2208384]Lizard,

I'm not entirely sure she knows exactly who I am, but she may. I know there are private detectives out there who can find just about anyone, so I'm under no delusion that I can remain hidden if she really wanted to contact me.

At this exact point, I'm not sure that I wouldn't be willing to help her out if it turns out that her baby is ours. From all I think I know about her, she is not vindictive, and probably really did just want a baby.[/QUOTE]It's good if you held onto your anonymity, that's one of my cardinal rules in the bowl, never let them know your last name, but I also don't play too close to home, because as your run-in with her illustrated, it's a small world. Hopefully like you said she has no intention of going it alone, it's just that most people run into financial difficulties raising a kid alone, and when that happens they often behave in ways that are uncharacteristic of prior behavior. If she was crafty enough to plan things this far, who knows what ace she has in the hole. I would just try to distance yourself as much as possible, including changing phone numbers. Who knows, maybe it's not even yours or maybe she isn't sure.

[QUOTE=FScott;2208344]Gentlemen,


I'm just having a little trouble making all this lie down comfortably in my head and stop making a rukus.

In the meantime, things are starting to normalize on the Homefront, so I am back in the Bowl and having a blast.

Peace to you all, my brothers, and do no harm!

Scott.[/QUOTE]Welcome back Scotty! I agree with your analysis of her project. What a wonderful ending to a Romance! You got to enjoy her during your reunion, made a love child, and don't have to support or raise him / her (hopefully).

There are a couple of scenarios good and bad.

1) good memories. Let sleeping dogs lie.

2) They might enjoy a romp with a stone cold stud and give you a call to service both (how cute is the GF?).

3) They might break up and:

A} she comes to you for support or.

Be} she comes to you with no strings attached for love and more affection.

For the couple they probably don't want you involved as a paying Father because you could make demands for visitation or coparenting. But if money is tight they might come to the deep pocket. Hopefully the GF is financially secure.

Finally, what would your wife say about child support? Or could you hide that?

Anyway, I look forward to hearing about Scotty Jr's exploits!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2208415] If she was crafty enough to plan things this far, who knows what ace she has in the hole. I would just try to distance yourself as much as possible, including changing phone numbers. Who knows, maybe it's not even yours or maybe she isn't sure.[/QUOTE]If a girl wants to bareback how many of you would resist? (assuming you actually like her).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2208422]Welcome back Scotty! What a wonderful ending to a Romance! You got to enjoy her during your reunion, made a love child, and don't have to support or raise him / her (hopefully).

There are a couple of scenarios good and bad.

1) good memories. Let sleeping dogs lie.

2) They might enjoy a romp with a stone cold stud and give you a call to service both (how cute is the GF?).

3) They might break up and:

A} she comes to you for support or.

Be} she comes to you with no strings attached for love and more affection.

For the couple they probably don't want you involved as a paying Father because you could make demands for visitation or coparenting. But if money is tight they might come to the deep pocket. Hopefully the GF is financially secure.

Finally, what would your wife say about child support? Or could you hide that?

Anyway, I look forward to hearing about Scotty Jr's exploits![/QUOTE]Hey Fred,

As always, your cogent analysis of the situation is helpful.

You are right, it IS a wonderful end to our romance! As I said, I kind of enjoy the thought that we will always have a bond, and that she (possibly) will always have a reminder of our time together.

As for the three-way, no thanks. The GF is definitely the Butch, and I'm certain could knock me out with one punch. Well over 6 feet and probably a fantastic field hockey player in her day! Funny because my ATF is barely 5' 2" on tiptoe!

I had not thought about the demands I might make if it turns out I'm the father. Of course I would want some visitation. She always talked about wanting to more back to the Northwest, which is where she is from, and I might be able to block that legally (if it's proven I'm the dad.

My wife would have at least four words to say to me if this came out into the light of day "Get the Fuck out!" so let's not hope for that. I could hide child support depending on how much it would be, I'm pretty sure, since I will be starting up another company once things calm down after the move.

Of course no one can predict the future, but all I know about her tells me she will not come after me, even if things get bad and she and the GF break up. The baby will be biologically hers, so she gets to keep it, right? I mean the GF will have a weak claim, if any, am I correct?

In any event, the most pleasant scenario I am concocting in my head is that we move into the city, I see ATF and baby walking down the street one day when we both are alone, we get to talk, and I can admire said baby and then deal with the flood of emotions for the rest of the day! Hooray for me. What a world the Bowl can be, but not entirely unpleasant from time to time haha!

Do no harm.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2208423]If a girl wants to bareback how many of you would resist? (assuming you actually like her).[/QUOTE]I only do bareback so for me its no problem. I never cum inside though. The one pregnancy scare I mentioned was a long time ago, and I did cum inside in my youthful ignorance. Always pull out and spray them.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2208453]I only do bareback so for me its no problem. I never cum inside though. The one pregnancy scare I mentioned was a long time ago, and I did cum inside in my youthful ignorance. Always pull out and spray them.[/QUOTE]Jeez, Lizard!

You should buy a lottery ticket, my friend, because you have some awesome luck! I don't know how you can keep such control over The Gecko! You are lucky you've never been caught before if you always ride without a saddle!
Bio 102 - Human Sexuality - in college taught us that there are always a few extra-eager swimmers that get out ahead of the gun, and all it takes is one little Phelps to spin your world 180 degrees from warm and fuzzy to married! But look who's talking, LOL!

[QUOTE=FScott;2208613]Jeez, Lizard!

You should buy a lottery ticket, my friend, because you have some awesome luck! I don't know how you can keep such control over The Gecko! You are lucky you've never been caught before if you always ride without a saddle!
Bio 102 - Human Sexuality - in college taught us that there are always a few extra-eager swimmers that get out ahead of the gun, and all it takes is one little Phelps to spin your world 180 degrees from warm and fuzzy to married! But look who's talking, LOL![/QUOTE]Yes, I don't know if I have less pre-cum, or if my early swimmers are just not very committed to their purpose, but pulling out just in time for the money shot seems to do the trick for me. Then again, there could be some lizard clones out there in various states that I'm just not aware of.

One of the great things about Facebook is that I can actually keep tabs on former sex partners. Every now and then I see one with a kid that is in an age range that raises an eyebrow, I can usually research it a little further and confirm it's not mine. As I said though, I've only had one confirmed pregnancy, followed by a confirmed abortion, but the same girl later pulled what I think was a false pregnancy intended to make me sweat and potentially come back to her, as she didn't "discover" it until after I went dark. I heard through the grapevine (by her roommate) that the second pregnancy was a lie and that there was never even a doctors exam, which confirmed my suspicions, but if it was a lie designed to worry me, it was effective for a week or so, and after that I did always wonder since she moved out of state. Looking her up on Facebook today reveals that it was indeed a lie (either that or she aborted it, I'm guessing the former).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2208423]If a girl wants to bareback how many of you would resist? (assuming you actually like her).[/QUOTE]I shoot blanks. Had a new baby two weeks ago and driving for home. "I shoot blanks". "are you sure" yes I am. Lot's of fun. Post about another adventure shortly.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2208833]I shoot blanks. Had a new baby two weeks ago and driving for home. "I shoot blanks". "are you sure" yes I am. Lot's of fun. Post about another adventure shortly.[/QUOTE]Did some of your sentences get left out?

[QUOTE=FScott;2208437] I could hide child support depending on how much it would be, I'm pretty sure, since I will be starting up another company once things calm down after the move.
[/QUOTE]In Illinois it is twenty percent of your after tax income, and a sympathetic judge can actually up that.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2209217]In Illinois it is twenty percent of your after tax income, and a sympathetic judge can actually up that.[/QUOTE]Well, I guess I should hope for an out-of-court arrangement, if it comes to that!

Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2209649]Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.[/QUOTE]I like them slim, young and hot, the hotter the better, so the farther away they drift from a 10 the less interested I am in contacting them at all. But, I am a part-time seasonal SD with very limited time so I have to keep the focus on the ones I really want. There will be some I'm not their type, there will be some who I want to reply but they don't until 2 months later, and there will be some that I thought were SBs that turn out to be escorts or GPS hoes or whatever, so when I contact the ones I really want, it's already understood I'm not going to get all of them. But when dealing with women, confidence is everything and more important than money, so go into it with that attitude and you'll make out better no matter what. Rejection, or just being plain ignored, is a normal part of any online dating. Hunting them down in bars is no different -- sometimes a girl acts holier than thou when you first approach her and an hour later she's blowing you in the parking lot. If you are defeated before you ever walk up to her, you end up with nothing.

If the real world acceptance rate you're seeing is not to your liking, send out more initial contacts. Cast a wide net.

[QUOTE=FScott;2209649]Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!


Scott.[/QUOTE]Scotty, I find I have better luck with the 7 to 9 crowd. I still hit up all cummers but I think the super hotties are too self absorbed to nail dowm (so to speak) They tend to be GPS to be specific.

[QUOTE=FScott;2209649]Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.[/QUOTE]In my contacting what many would consider a 10 on the SD / SB site I belong to, I've had good results. I basically ingnore the Sugar Baby's cost requirements not in small part to the wisdom I've learned here.

I don't have a public photo so I think it helps as my Profile is sort of a filter before I send my photos per the SB's request. I have to admit that initially I self censored as far as looks go. However at one point I said Fk'it I'm the one with the money so what the hell. Not every 10 responds to my notes but more than I would have thought possible. I've met two of them, had fun, and continue to see one of them though not on a formal allowance basis. It is a cliche' but my life experience has shown me time and again that sometimes the loneliest woman in the room is the 10. Oh, and by the way, as far as my looks go I am very very average in appearance.

[QUOTE=FScott;2209649]Gentlemen,

I have a question I would like to pose to the assembled Brotherhood: when browsing whatever site you are using to find your babies, do you intentionally not message anyone who you think is beyond your grasp? I'm not talking about "financial expectations", which SA helpfully puts on the intro page now, but just relative hotness factor. I am experiencing an interesting phenomenon as I re-enter the bowl, and it may be due to being a little rusty, but I'm bypassing babies who I think are too hot for me!

WTF!

And yet, I am not giving a second thought to their financial requirements, since that is often an indication of their own self-delusion more than the reality of what it will actually take to get them naked. I've talked my way into more than a few pussies who's entry fee was listed as "substantial" for the cost of a dinner and a couple of benjis.

Just curious if any of you are bypassing those 10's because you're a 7. Somebody's got to fuck them after all!

Scott.[/QUOTE]It only takes a second to message anyone. Why not hit them all up?. My only dry spot are these super MILFS. I refuse to play their game or pay their price. Same with the Russian girls, and I don't mean the fake ones. My last SB was a 10, but unfortunately not in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2209684]In my contacting what many would consider a 10 on the SD / SB site I belong to, I've had good results. I basically ingnore the Sugar Baby's cost requirements not in small part to the wisdom I've learned here.

I don't have a public photo so I think it helps as my Profile is sort of a filter before I send my photos per the SB's request. I have to admit that initially I self censored as far as looks go. However at one point I said Fk'it I'm the one with the money so what the hell. Not every 10 responds to my notes but more than I would have thought possible. I've met two of them, had fun, and continue to see one of them though not on a formal allowance basis. It is a cliche' but my life experience has shown me time and again that sometimes the loneliest woman in the room is the 10. Oh, and by the way, as far as my looks go I am very very average in appearance.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you posted this comment, because it brings up a topic I wanted to share. There has been a lot of discussion about photos in the past, and I know there is a difference of opinion on posting them, not posting them, or posting "similar looking" photos. I wanted to share my recent observations with the group. I have multiple SD accounts on different sites. The main one is SD (ie). Com and secondarily, SD4 M. But I also have a little used SA account. Little used because without a membership there is zero way to make any headway with a SB. But because SA used to allow you to send a message if you posted a photo, I decided to put one up. I blurred my face, and scrubbed any identifying data from the photo. I also did a google image search on the photo to ensure it did not link back to me in any way. I then posted the blurred photo. To my surprise, the number of times my profile was viewed, favorited and messaged increased exponentially! To say I was surprised would be an understatement. So based completely on my own unscientific observations, having even a blurred photo makes a huge difference.

Norm!

I agree that you may well be surprised about what even the hot babes will accept, both in terms of money and in your appearance. The problem I find is that the 10's are so used to guys going gaga over them that are real disappointments in bed. That whole "I'm naked why aren't you hard yet" syndrome. They will let you do anything to them, but in terms of reciprocating, making it interesting, they just balk. A good 8-9 tends to be a lot better in the sack in my experience.

Message the 10's all day as long as you don't mind getting the occasional disgruntled reply like the one I got this morning.

"$100 are you fucking kidding me? Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit. You're gross and cheap. $100 doesn't even pay my car insurance. You're broke. ".

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-3065844-Cindycindy-RedondoBeach-California-SugarBaby[/URL]

Lets see, at the moment I have over a dozen girls waiting for a first date that have agreed to my terms. Mostly younger and at least as good a body as hers.

It's just like when I post help wanted ads for a senior level programmer for 5k a month and the hate mail comes in saying "that job is worth at least 10k a month". But somehow I always manage to hire who I need, and I certainly don't need any attitude other than gratitude.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2210301]I agree that you may well be surprised about what even the hot babes will accept, both in terms of money and in your appearance. The problem I find is that the 10's are so used to guys going gaga over them that are real disappointments in bed. That whole "I'm naked why aren't you hard yet" syndrome. They will let you do anything to them, but in terms of reciprocating, making it interesting, they just balk. A good 8-9 tends to be a lot better in the sack in my experience.[/QUOTE]I just read this. And I am dying laughing. I heard those exact words one time from a so called 10. And if I knew she was going to suck my dick like it was the last meal on earth, I would have been. Unfortunately she was a dead fish that just liked getting pounded for 2 hours with little or no response. Not too exciting.

HG,

You continue to be awesome hunting SBs in LA. I gave up after 2 months of no success w / even $200 per visit (had success before) earlier this year. In San Diego, the SB pool is pretty dry.

Nice to see your posting!! .

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2210416]Message the 10's all day as long as you don't mind getting the occasional disgruntled reply like the one I got this morning.

"$100 are you fucking kidding me? Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit. You're gross and cheap. $100 doesn't even pay my car insurance. You're broke. ".

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-3065844-Cindycindy-RedondoBeach-California-SugarBaby[/URL]

Lets see, at the moment I have over a dozen girls waiting for a first date that have agreed to my terms. Mostly younger and at least as good a body as hers.

It's just like when I post help wanted ads for a senior level programmer for 5k a month and the hate mail comes in saying "that job is worth at least 10k a month". But somehow I always manage to hire who I need, and I certainly don't need any attitude other than gratitude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DogRice;2211017]HG,

You continue to be awesome hunting SBs in LA. I gave up after 2 months of no success w / even $200 per visit (had success before) earlier this year. In San Diego, the SB pool is pretty dry.

Nice to see your posting!! .[/QUOTE]Today I txted with a true 18 year old NP hottie. I asked her. From all the messages you must have read, why did you choose me? And I got the same answer I always get. I seem laid back and I didn't push for sex on the first date. And when you are only offering $ a date does it really matter if you have to settle for a HJ or a BJ combined with a hot makeout session? Half of them at least are going to go for the full monty whether they say they are or not. And now the stage is set for date # 2. A girl would rather take $ with no pressure than $$$ and be backed into a corner. This only applies to NP's, because no UTR turns down $$$ or $$ (and about a third will take the $) . This does not apply to GPS girls, but no one is interested in them on this thread anyway. Unless you have some dream that you are going to talk them down, which never works and is a total waste of time.

Once, just because I knew this one UTR girl a while back was a little hot for me I started talking her down from $$$$. After 3 months I had her down to $.5 and still I refused to see her. In 3 months she could have easily seen me 12 times for a $. Instead she made nothing. It was just an experiment. Something I dont waste my time on. I believe there are too many willing girls. Actually I know for a fact there are, but it does take game. And thats why we are here, to improve our game. When I started I thought I was blessed to have a 9 or a 10 in looks girl under 22 bang me for $$$$. I just didnt know any better. Now I do.

By the time I got to this thread I was already at the $ level. But it cost me a lot more than that to get there and most of the girls were UTR's. Now its about 50/50 because I like UTR,s at the right price. But all my LTR's are NP's or if they are UTR they need to go exclusive except in rare circumstances. The bottom line is this. At a $ you can be flexible. At $$ or $$$ you expect to get it all and in this game there is no guarantee of that at any price.

Like the girl I quoted in the post below said "Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit." Really? How many SD's have you had at 22? The answer is none. All she had were tricks. Because at that price even a newbie knows they can have a different 10 quality girl everyday for the rest of their life. So there is no incentive to be in a long term SD relationship. Actually in my area most pro 10's are $$$ a date. And it's not that easy to be a 10 in L.A.

I,ve seen her 5 times in 2 months due to major distance problems. Its like a 2 hour drive. Too bad as she is a 8/9/9/9. Very normal girl. Almost too normal for me. She is a little older (28) so not too quick to make a rash decision about who she hangs with. Not sure how you guys deal with that. All the txting in the world isn't the same as seeing someone. But I am staying the course if she does.

I've been out of the bowl, trying to end the SB #1 thing that maybe some of you recall turned into a relationship, gone messy with serious risks involved. Well, I'm still within the mess, but I have made a date that I will lower the final dumping and stick to it. I had to go to great lengths and costs to arrange a time I will be able to send her away for what I hope will be the final time. But I know for certain, a fallout of sorts will ensue. To refresh, the girl is 22, one daughter, clingy, plays innocent, met her family, she is suspicious of me, tried to trap me with pregnancy, talks about marriage, lied about birth control and last time I broke up with her, she threatened to "expose" me.

This girl can be very hard headed and controlling and such. I don't know whether presenting her with an approach that describes mutual destruction should she try to "ruin my life" or try the ole, "you are just not right for me", with serious explanations why, is best? I think the later will leave her open for trying to find me and fix things. I'm thinking of also telling her, I've met someone else, but she might get revengeful, as I will need to keep her hoping up until hours before I dump her sorry ass.

This girl has been a sugar baby before with a number of past Sugar daddies. I have not absolute proof, other then she was on the sugar site for months and online all day until a month after we met and after she agreed we were a "real thing" (she lied) When she agreed to go exclusive and date me, I spent $160 and signed up for two other accounts and emailed her under other names, and she agreed to meet and made prices etc for sex and a trip to the FC, When I confronted her about it, she denied that she would have ever really met those men and was just playing along. Yeah right! She also claims I'm the only man she met on those sites. Yeah right! She smokes weed, stays out all night and parties a lot, does not see her child very much, etc, etc, etc. I'm thinking to tell her, I am going to report her if she threatens me. Simply put, the girl is trash and if I call her out on it, she might come after me and my work, etc. Although, I've done nothing wrong to her, she is a young woman and we all know how that goes.

My question is, I have five days to go from the initial dumping, to being 100% sure this girl is done and not coming to look for me. I know after the initial dumping she will beg and plea, etc. This MUST be wrapped up and her moved along with no chance for contact after five days. Any ideas on how best to approach this?

Brothers, my story is much more involved then this. Moral of the story here, is a reminder to keep your SB dating clean and all business and when you stumble across a clingy one, dump her fast and swiftly or you risk ruining you life. I am in the middle of a huge mess and an tired of juggling it and I have only myself to blame. My goal is to slip out of this unscathed and return to the hobby in the way I should have all along. In the meantime, I hope to save my private life, financial stability and all that I know, cause they are all on the table right now. Any ideas, from anyone who has been through this is welcomed! I've truly been good to this girl and never treated her badly, but I fear the gloves might need to come off. Not in an illegal manor, but just one that scares he heck out of this fake cum bucket. She is truly trash and I want her GONE!