The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=MikeoDamerika;5455344]That last sentence is the most important thing to stick to.[/QUOTE]A lot of fellow mongers are thinking, "what's the big deal, I can afford a $100-$200 dinner date with a hottie" and while I'm sure many of us can, you're missing the point. The girls that do this? Ask for meet and greet allowance? Are never going to go to the FC with you. You're never going to get any action with them. Because their gig is entirely about tricking you into paying them to sit with you at dinner or for a drink. 99% of the time there's nothing past that.

The ones who do not demand allowance for a meet and greet? Well, you can figure it out. They want an allowance as well. LOL.

Also more than just the $100-$200 for a singer date? Your lost time. Maybe there are some SD's who are into just a dinner date thing, then so be it. But most of us are seeking that true GFE.

While I'm always hesitant to wade into the 'Men Vs. Women' waters of SA, ultimately, I have to agree with the sentiments being expressed. SA is a meeting ground for finding likeminded parties, partners for a potential arrangement, and a companion for a variety of activities. From the beginning, the playing field should be level. We are equals. I'm not better than her because I have money. And she's not better than me because she has her youth. I've grown tired of women advertising themselves as muses, inspirations, sirens, and old souls. No, you're most likely someone with a little credit card debt who wants some extra padding for fun purchases and activities with your girlfriends. And that's okay. And I'm not Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. And that's also okay.

No one DESERVES anything on a first meet and greet. It's purely a formality to see if enough common ground can be established to move forward.

If someone's income is lining up as many M&G's as possible, she's not a sugar baby and she should be avoided. And if I'm being completely honest, being a sugar baby should be no one's job. The success rate of finding someone who will handle all of your expenses is abysmally low. And that prospect needs to stop being peddled around. If anything, one can expect something to supplement or accent their already established lifestyle. Women need to stop looking for saviors OR suckers on SA. They're bound to have a bad time.

Any woman suggesting that she deserves HUNDREDS for a 30 minute meet and greet is out of her mind. If you don't have a PhD, a lucrative patent, or a consulting firm based on privileged knowledge. What could you have to say that could possibly be worth hundreds of dollars for 30 minutes.

However, all of this comes with a dose of reciprocity. We should be honest about our expectations, what we're willing to provide, and the frequency in which we'd like to see them. If she needs to see someone often, and you only want to see her once, be honest and let her find a good match.

An SB who became a FWB said, 'welp, time to scam some dummies on SA' in front of me once and I stopped seeing her. I never thought that SA was a place to look for marks. And that left a really bad taste in my mouth.

Be safe out there guys.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;5459011]A lot of fellow mongers are thinking, "what's the big deal, I can afford a $100-$200 dinner date with a hottie" and while I'm sure many of us can, you're missing the point. The girls that do this? Ask for meet and greet allowance? Are never going to go to the FC with you. You're never going to get any action with them. Because their gig is entirely about tricking you into paying them to sit with you at dinner or for a drink. 99% of the time there's nothing past that.

The ones who do not demand allowance for a meet and greet? Well, you can figure it out. They want an allowance as well. LOL.

Also more than just the $100-$200 for a singer date? Your lost time. Maybe there are some SD's who are into just a dinner date thing, then so be it. But most of us are seeking that true GFE.[/QUOTE]

Anyone had a chanc e to meet or chat with this lady? My experience so far fas not been good. We have tried to meet 2 times but it has not panned out. She was requesting 200 M&G.

First time, She claims she fell asleep. I then offered 100 M&G to which she said she could bring herself accept that. The channel was still open for communication. Then she texted me the third day that she would meet for 100 M&G. A couple of hours before the meeting time I got a txt from her saying she was sorry that she can't make it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/20fe9457-e842-422b-8d4f-a65f6f49b4c5[/URL]

Had my hopes up for this one but was let down. Starting chatting with her, almost immediately she asked to move convo to text. Number is 614 area code which matches up with her Ohio State pics. Ask her if she's down to meet, she says tonight works. Awesome. Proceeds to tell me all the nasty, denigrating things she wants me to do to her. Offers to FaceTime to prove she's real, I'm at work so I can't but she had me thinking she's real. Set up the date for tonight at 8 pm. Book the hotel room, after asking if she's for sure coming. Tells me she's definitely coming. Around 5 pm she stops texting me and just ghosts me altogether. Not sure what the deal was but she didn't even have the courtesy to tell me she wasn't going to make it. She didn't ask for Cashapp or Venmo, she wanted $200 but didn't even really ask about the compensation, I had to bring it up. Not sure if she gets off on the fantasy of being treated like shit, but won't act on it. Or possibly the husband getting his kicks off hearing what strangers would do to his wife. Having a hard time wrapping my head around this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/25359650-6683-4b9a-8620-771af774031c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hiamey;5465817]Anyone had a chanc e to meet or chat with this lady? My experience so far fas not been good. We have tried to meet 2 times but it has not panned out. She was requesting 200 M&G.

First time, She claims she fell asleep. I then offered 100 M&G to which she said she could bring herself accept that. The channel was still open for communication. Then she texted me the third day that she would meet for 100 M&G. A couple of hours before the meeting time I got a txt from her saying she was sorry that she can't make it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/20fe9457-e842-422b-8d4f-a65f6f49b4c5[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you pay for a meet & greets? Does this ever work out for more activities for you? Everything I read, this is a very low percentage of success of more than the M&G.

[QUOTE=Badger7;5465835]Had my hopes up for this one but was let down. Starting chatting with her, almost immediately she asked to move convo to text. Number is 614 area code which matches up with her Ohio State pics. Ask her if she's down to meet, she says tonight works. Awesome. Proceeds to tell me all the nasty, denigrating things she wants me to do to her. Offers to FaceTime to prove she's real, I'm at work so I can't but she had me thinking she's real. Set up the date for tonight at 8 pm. Book the hotel room, after asking if she's for sure coming. Tells me she's definitely coming. Around 5 pm she stops texting me and just ghosts me altogether. Not sure what the deal was but she didn't even have the courtesy to tell me she wasn't going to make it. She didn't ask for Cashapp or Venmo, she wanted $200 but didn't even really ask about the compensation, I had to bring it up. Not sure if she gets off on the fantasy of being treated like shit, but won't act on it. Or possibly the husband getting his kicks off hearing what strangers would do to his wife. Having a hard time wrapping my head around this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/25359650-6683-4b9a-8620-771af774031c[/URL][/QUOTE]Had pretty similar thing happen with me. A few days of texting. Never asked for money. Went into some fairly specific things she wanted done. And then disappeared.

I think gets off on the idea of it but never will be test to follow through.

[QUOTE=Badger7;5465835]Had my hopes up for this one but was let down. Starting chatting with her, almost immediately she asked to move convo to text. Number is 614 area code which matches up with her Ohio State pics. Ask her if she's down to meet, she says tonight works. Awesome. Proceeds to tell me all the nasty, denigrating things she wants me to do to her. Offers to FaceTime to prove she's real, I'm at work so I can't but she had me thinking she's real. Set up the date for tonight at 8 pm. Book the hotel room, after asking if she's for sure coming. Tells me she's definitely coming. Around 5 pm she stops texting me and just ghosts me altogether. Not sure what the deal was but she didn't even have the courtesy to tell me she wasn't going to make it. She didn't ask for Cashapp or Venmo, she wanted $200 but didn't even really ask about the compensation, I had to bring it up. Not sure if she gets off on the fantasy of being treated like shit, but won't act on it. Or possibly the husband getting his kicks off hearing what strangers would do to his wife. Having a hard time wrapping my head around this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/25359650-6683-4b9a-8620-771af774031c[/URL][/QUOTE]I had conversations going with her. And she was interested in gangbanging. We even did group messaging with a friend of hers. A day or two after our initial conversations, she stopped responding. I guess I was lucky I didn't waste money on a hotel room.

[QUOTE=VividDream;5465853]Do you pay for a meet & greets? Does this ever work out for more activities for you? Everything I read, this is a very low percentage of success of more than the M&G.[/QUOTE]I can't believe anyone would pay for a M&G. Don't do it. It's just a rinse job. The dummies that actually pay are ruining the market for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5466030]I had conversations going with her. And she was interested in gangbanging. We even did group messaging with a friend of hers. A day or two after our initial conversations, she stopped responding. I guess I was lucky I didn't waste money on a hotel room.[/QUOTE]I always envision this happening to me. So I just make the reservation when both are on the way or at the parking lot of the hotel. I do this even with my SB who I have been seeing more than an year. Sometimes she is too tired and we just end up hanging out at a restaurant or strip club. Thanks for the ghosting report though. Saves everybody's time and effort.

G.

[QUOTE=VividDream;5465853]Do you pay for a meet & greets? Does this ever work out for more activities for you? Everything I read, this is a very low percentage of success of more than the M&G.[/QUOTE]I have seen less success with this. You pay the first time and that's pretty much the last time you see them. But I have done that with the SB I have had longer arrangements on the first meet. Usually if they ask when we are planning the M&G then it most likely goes sour. But it could go other way too. Most of the times you can really tell with the vibe when chatting. I usually can't get many M&G. Probably because of me being Asian so some times I just suck it up and move on.

G.

1) This one seems semi-pro. Wanted 500 per hour with 'almost no limits'. Balked at that price, she lowered it to 400. Seemed ok, just not worth it to me, especially with the hour time limit.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/af997ca3-b560-4f57-b1b6-17053e5c34e0[/URL]

2) Says she's 21 and lives with her parents, but she can't get away from the house without her parents tracking her phone / vehicle. Seems a little sketchy. Not sure how she ever plans to see a potential Sugar Daddy.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21dcdce8-b8cc-4848-ab4a-6d925d020ed8[/URL]

[QUOTE=Badger7;5467732]1) This one seems semi-pro. Wanted 500 per hour with 'almost no limits'. Balked at that price, she lowered it to 400. Seemed ok, just not worth it to me, especially with the hour time limit.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/af997ca3-b560-4f57-b1b6-17053e5c34e0[/URL]

2) Says she's 21 and lives with her parents, but she can't get away from the house without her parents tracking her phone / vehicle. Seems a little sketchy. Not sure how she ever plans to see a potential Sugar Daddy.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/21dcdce8-b8cc-4848-ab4a-6d925d020ed8[/URL][/QUOTE]First one is a pro, nothing more, nothing less. You'd have wasted your $400 on her.

Absolutely Hell NO on the second one. Any young woman still living at home is a real no, no. The potential for issues are huge. Most mom and dad's realize when their little princess runs off to college she's probably going to mess around and experiment. You're not mentally prepared for it while she's still living at home. Even if she is indeed 21. And that brings up another good point. She might be lying about her age and you don't even want to get near that.

The longer you spend on SA. The more you'll develop a nose for weeding at the fakes, GPS women and dangers. There are some real SB's, you just got to find them!

[QUOTE=Skins755;5447650]Pretty sure she has been reviewed a few times on the Greensboro Board, well known pro / semi pro, mixed reviews on skills.[/QUOTE]I saw that chick last year. I gave her 100 & maybe 50 worth of booze had her for about 2 hours & she wanted to move in with me. She's a alcoholic!! Definitely a pro!!

They have further restricted access to the free part of their membership. Seems they are losing paid subscriptions and trying to force new ones by doing such. Was browsing the free section and noticed hardly anything pulls up now, really hoping they lose more business and go under.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;5473448]They have further restricted access to the free part of their membership. Seems they are losing paid subscriptions and trying to force new ones by doing such. Was browsing the free section and noticed hardly anything pulls up now, really hoping they lose more business and go under.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, you don't care for SA. But where else do you go to find a consistent flow of sugar babies? SA is duly subject to some criticism but they are a game changer in the sugar baby, sugar daddy world. Yeah, you have to diligently work the website without the fakes and reel in the real sugar babies but if you work it consistently you can find no less than 5 to 10 real sugar babies a week that are willing to meet with you.

There has never been any other venue that gets that type of action. It does require patience and dedication though.

If you have a better source, trust me I'm all ears. LOL.