BBBJ and BBFS

[QUOTE=Ichigo1978;3473022]Anyone know anything about this girl? I'm interested, but I always get a little nervous when their ad is this loud. Whatever happen to "Money for time spent only" and all that shit?

[URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/freaky-blonde-sugar/71662393[/URL][/QUOTE]Didn't we establish that she was working with Incle LEO?. Even if not, by virtue of the text of her ad, she's asking for trouble and putting all who see her at risk of disease or arrest or both. Her ad spells trouble, it is probably best to stay away.

Thanks fellas for replying / feed back / sharing your experiences! I got some work to do, I took notes!

[QUOTE=AlinSrq;3472949]I am a 51 yo clean cut white male and I do believe most providers will go on your looks. And I find myself doing the same. If I see a girl and she's at a low cost motel and tatted up and below average hygiene I'll ask for everything covered. When I lived in fl. I found a hot busty blonde I just couldn't get enough of. I was going once a month and paying $200 for full service after a while she said if I came to see her more she would take 100. So I'm hitting it every week. One day she's out of covers we have been giving each other bare oral for a while. She said I could go bare. It was great. No regrets.[/QUOTE]Its not a race thing at all. Most chics that post No Aa, or No Aa under a certain age are looking for old guys to rip off. They are less likely to do anythinh foolish. I have banged several white providers state to state that said No Aa. Them heifers love some black weiner, and have been the best providers I've seen. A clean cut appearance and the way you talk can go a long way.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3472959]As Oz and the other monger were implying, first impressions count. If a guy is well-groomed and acts nice, it goes a long way. Looking neat and clean implies that you are clean although you could be a closet leper. MOST providers prefer white, middle-aged, educated guys who don't look like slobs. All others are accepted somewhere below that standard.

And, this doesn't mean that providers prefer middle-aged white guys because they're easy pickings. Some will, of course, especially those with handlers. Most just like the fact that older, educated types are less of a threat. Which would you rather deal with, a poodle or a rabid she-wolf?[/QUOTE]Agreed!! They just want the easy cash with no problems, regardless of how the session went. I understand that certain types are less aggressive than others and are more willing to take a "loss" and move on.

I'm a good example of that. I'm a young hotheaded dude at times, when providers try to scam me I will get aggressive. I just won't take whatever bs they give me. I paid my chips, now give the full service offered with no tricks / games.

I know as I get older my testosterone levels will drop, and I will become less aggressive. I will also become more mature and learn how to take a loss. The older established guy goes home to his safe mansion, while the provider is still selling kitty Kat to strangers / regulars. At the end of the day, the old man technically wins. Even if he is a simp for having no backbone. It just isn't worth the risk these days.

I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]This is all very noble of you but if I were you I would not be a Captain Save A Hoe enabler here. It will only bring you down. You can only do so much for some of these people but unfortunately for some of them their downward spirals are inevitable considering their lifestyles and the choices they made along the way.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]Oriema2002,

This will sound harsh, but as an old guy (56) I have found a person cannot be saved. They have to want to be saved and then they will find the numerous opportunities to be saved. I know it is harsh, but you cannot save people in general, and ho's in particular. Women that partake in this hobby have typically made a number of poor decisions that have landed them in this line of work. Very Very few fall into the "Pretty Woman", "***** with a big heart" catagory. They will continue to make the poor life decisions as long as some monger (like me and you) will give them money to allow them to keep making the poor decisions. Relaize that once they cannot get money from you, the relationship is OVER. I learned over the years that you can lead a horse to water but you damn sure can't make it drink.

Summary, harden your heart and move on. You cannot help this situation.

Still Lost,

Lostbear40.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]And it is not fun at all. I lost my ATF provider back in early December and I wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone. If I were to offer you advice, I would just tell her how you feel, offer support in any way you wish (not necessarily talking $). I wouldn't want you to deal with the what if, wish I would have. In the aftermath.

Not trying to sound sappy or simpish, but we're all humans here with feelings and emotions. And sometimes we can actually enjoy the company of these ladies. And as I said, I wouldn't wish those feelings on my worst enemy.

Best of Luck to you and wish her well!

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]I'd cut her off immediately, block her number, the works; there is zero upside to getting involved in such a mess. And yes, 99% of this is drugs which means they have to just hit rock bottom before anyone can do anything for them, and that's not someplace you need to be.

I hate to sound extremely grim, but in the 25 years I've hobbied, I can count, literally, a stack of bodies: I can think of at least twenty girls I used to fuck who eventually OD'd, were murdered, or committed suicide (pretty much those three modes). The girls you meet in the hobby are WAYYY off the edge; some may look like "the girl next door", but they are anything but, ESPECIALLY the BBFS girls (who are fucking nuts, admit it, right?) You really don't want to get involved in their personal lives in any way, shape, of form, because therein lay oblivion and madness.

(I actually make a policy of ALWAYS looking for the next fuck toy, no matter how good my current one is, and when I find her, I cut the other one off. It's important never to get too close to these girls, and keeping things moving and seeking variety is a good way to manage that process. No ATFs!).

O.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]As others have commented, I would bail. Cut her off. She can only bring you problems now. These girls are "damaged goods" on a good day, anyway. Despite some of them being hot looking, they have nothing else going on. These are the ones who banged the football players in high school to be popular, made terrible grades, and were not able to luck into a job where banging the boss got them ahead.

I treat them with respect, after all, they don't deserve to be treated badly. I also have learned to keep distance, and disappear if they get too needy.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]Everyone should know my stance by now, but let me reiterate.

No stressing about these birds!! We have the luxury of going on about our "normal" lives as mongers, while they are stuck in the fast lane.

It just makes sense, you have to be jacked up in some kind of way to be providing, especially consistently.

I mean come on, is it really that hard to land a stable job and feed the children if one REALLY wanted to. Minus the drugs and various addictions of course.

ME myself and I.

Look out for yourself bro, and stay on your toes. Never let a bird drag you into her world or turn you into a ATM / simp or beta male provider. A depressed person has to help themselves and seek therapy, etc.

Don't take on another cross to bear. I'm sure you are rich, but we all have something going on. Don't add on to whatever life problems you currently have. She will SURELY drag you down!!

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]Oriema, I will echo what everyone else said already. Completely cut her off and harden yourself. She will totally bring you down. I have been there and done that, women like that are broken goods. It might sound harsh, but you must not care about what happens to her. Please, you are not Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver going on a crusade to save a *****. She will also not fall in love with you for trying to save her. You must forget about it.

[QUOTE=Oriema2002;3473916]I am deeply concerned about a provider who has ben discussed numerous times on this Board. She is extremely depressed. Has lost a lot of weight, seems oblivious to everything, and apparently has suffered a catastrophic event (the particulars about, I do not know}. What I do know is that she recently had a child, the child apparently is being watched by her mother, she is absolutely broke, and while a friend of mine was visiting her, the hotel manager barged into her room and a big scene followed. My friend was lucky not to have been arrested. The provider texted my friend for help on several occasions and he wound up giving her gifts of cash without any expectation of service (nor was any offered) . She even asked for more cash claiming that she was robbed. She also has greatly curtailed her advertising. Something is going on and it isn't good. I advised her to get some help and straighten out her act. I also advised her to quit the business and get a legitimate job so that she could provide for her child. Apparently, my advice was ignored and she continues to slide downhill. I have no desire to see her as she looks terrible, no desire to contact her as she undoubtedly will ask me for money as she asked my friend. Yet, I am concerned and I believe her to be at a tipping point. What should I do? Should I move on and just chalk it up to this life style or should I find some way to intervene, although whatever she's going through truly is not my business nor do I want to make it my business. I suspect that this is all drug related (although she swears that she doesn't do drugs) and just want her to get some help before it is too late.[/QUOTE]Eff that bih! Its more hoars, more than enough for everyone.

[QUOTE=WholeThang448;3474544]Eff that bih! Its more hoars, more than enough for everyone.[/QUOTE]Just look at it like this, if you were fucked up, do you think she'd help you?

[QUOTE=Ichigo1978;3473022]Anyone know anything about this girl? I'm interested, but I always get a little nervous when their ad is this loud. Whatever happen to "Money for time spent only" and all that shit?

[URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/freaky-blonde-sugar/71662393[/URL][/QUOTE]I tend to avoid anyone that mentions services specifically in their ad. It's just asking for trouble. If she's not with LEO, she will be soon. An ad like that is like blood in the water for sharks. LEO will be all over that (If they didn't post it in the first place). I don't think they are al LEO, but they have no damn sense. Either way, bad news for the unsuspecting hobbyist trying to get a nut. CL is even worse! (when you can find a real post).

That's my. 02.