"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

As the saying goes, you only live once. Enjoy the things that you enjoy. What I also enjoy, besides a variety of pussy, is the way you occasionally post pics of some fine ass girls. Please continue to do so as it is very entertaining! Thanks. WW.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2197955]This is my only entertainment outside of work. Not into drugs or drinking. Don't really have any outside interests, hobbies or friends (all by choice). If I wasn't chasing girls I would just be watching TV. So for me its this or be bored. And I never seem to get bored of pussy. New or old as long as its tasty, wet and tight (and does what its told). I don't do the marraige, SO or GF thing so well either (they always have rules). This truly is my life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2197914]Since work has slowed a little due to the holiday I am going to force myself to do as many M & G's as I can the next few days. At least one a day. The last 2 girls I clicked with both live far away and can't really see me that much. It's a good thing and a bad thing. You really got to have some tenacity to stay in this game.

here is tonites M&G. 5' 1" 105 23[/QUOTE]Just got back from my interview. She was pretty interesting (meaning I wanted to fuck her). But she had other ideas, like a guaranteed allowance or at least $$ a date. She didn't really care about me having multiple girls if the money was guaranteed, so it was a no go. And I am sure with her looks and professed skills someone will take her up on her offer. Just not me.

I have an dr appt in a somewhat farther away suburb tomorrow morning so I set up a date with this UTR girl that lives in that area for noon. Maybe only see her once, but who knows. Her spinner body got my attention.

I couldn't remember if this was discussed in the SB / SD forum or the escort forum but there was talk about creating a separate forum where you could talk more in depth about which SB where dating which SD. AT first I wasn't so sure if I wanted to know but I am slowly changing my mind. I would love to be able to find out if my 22 year old latina who is going to VCU is in fact fucking another SD. But the need for another forum, not sold on that yet.

If she is respectful and fucks and sucks you the way you like, why does it matter which other SD she has. I guess if you were forking out a lot of cash and paying all her bills I could see the concern a tad bit. Or instead of joining another male gossip forum why don't you ask her yourself. I never seen so many guys in the last two years, be so nosey when it comes to ladies that aren't even your gf or wife. Communication is key, always ask instead of assume or driving yourself crazy on what tatics to use if she's seeing someone else. If you want exclusive ask how she feels.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2198731]I couldn't remember if this was discussed in the SB / SD forum or the escort forum but there was talk about creating a separate forum where you could talk more in depth about which SB where dating which SD. AT first I wasn't so sure if I wanted to know but I am slowly changing my mind. I would love to be able to find out if my 22 year old latina who is going to VCU is in fact fucking another SD. But the need for another forum, not sold on that yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2198929]Or instead of joining another male gossip forum why don't you ask her yourself. I never seen so many guys in the last two years, be so nosey when it comes to ladies that aren't even your gf or wife. [/QUOTE]This forum is a brotherhood of SDs. If you don't like what's being written here, you might think about maybe not reading it. A male gossip group is exactly what this is, and for you to come here and pretend to give any of us advice on life is a little bit like me walking on the set of the The View, showing up without pants and wagging my balls in Jenny McCarthy's face. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. If you think you're going flip a few of us into thinking like a chick, I think maybe you should stick to what you're good at.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2198929]If she is respectful and fucks and sucks you the way you like, why does it matter which other SD she has. I guess if you were forking out a lot of cash and paying all her bills I could see the concern a tad bit. Or instead of joining another male gossip forum why don't you ask her yourself. I never seen so many guys in the last two years, be so nosey when it comes to ladies that aren't even your gf or wife. Communication is key, always ask instead of assume or driving yourself crazy on what tatics to use if she's seeing someone else. If you want exclusive ask how she feels.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Meow however, and this may come as a shock to you, some of these sugar babies will actually lie to you. I agree communication is key and if you and your sugarbaby have agreed to be exclusive and if you want exclusivity and you are paying for it then it's only right that you expect her to just see you. One of the great things about this for forum is that we all stick together and help each other out. Unfortunately some of these sugar babies will lie to you because all they're interested in is money. I don't mean to sound bitter because I've met a few sugar babies on here who are really great people. I was just stating an opinion on this forum as most of us generally tend to do.

I hate when people ask what my hobbies are. LOL. No politically correct way to say "chasing pussy". LOL.

I know that is why I like following this thread and I know that is why HG posts so much on here. It's hard to find other people to share this hobby with who understand.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2197955]This is my only entertainment outside of work. Not into drugs or drinking. Don't really have any outside interests, hobbies or friends (all by choice). If I wasn't chasing girls I would just be watching TV. So for me its this or be bored. And I never seem to get bored of pussy. New or old as long as its tasty, wet and tight (and does what its told). I don't do the marraige, SO or GF thing so well either (they always have rules). This truly is my life.[/QUOTE]

I always respect the SB's until they demonstrate they don't deserve me respect. There are some genuinely nice girls on the sites and some real "be#*ches". Just like some of us SD's are real "a#*holes".

Surprising how many of these girls respond to being treated with respect when they have been treated so badly in the past. Just don't let them think because you are nice to them you can walked on. You can be nice without being weak.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2199124]Thanks for the advice Meow however, and this may come as a shock to you, some of these sugar babies will actually lie to you. I agree communication is key and if you and your sugarbaby have agreed to be exclusive and if you want exclusivity and you are paying for it then it's only right that you expect her to just see you. One of the great things about this for forum is that we all stick together and help each other out. Unfortunately some of these sugar babies will lie to you because all they're interested in is money. I don't mean to sound bitter because I've met a few sugar babies on here who are really great people. I was just stating an opinion on this forum as most of us generally tend to do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2198929]If she is respectful and fucks and sucks you the way you like, why does it matter which other SD she has. I guess if you were forking out a lot of cash and paying all her bills I could see the concern a tad bit. Or instead of joining another male gossip forum why don't you ask her yourself. I never seen so many guys in the last two years, be so nosey when it comes to ladies that aren't even your gf or wife. Communication is key, always ask instead of assume or driving yourself crazy on what tatics to use if she's seeing someone else. If you want exclusive ask how she feels.[/QUOTE]For me its a health issue. I never had a std in my life and never used a condom in 60 years. How is that possible?. Dumb luck and also mainly screwing girls that are exclusive to me. So I personally need to know what's up. If they want to date other guys that's cool. Then just don't date me. Unless I can be convinced its your real BF. Then I just have to hope he is faithful. Luckily there are enough very busy girls that really don't have the time, energy or inclination to date multiple guys.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2199463]I always respect the SB's until they demonstrate they don't deserve me respect. There are some genuinely nice girls on the sites and some real "be#*ches". Just like some of us SD's are real "a#*holes".

Surprising how many of these girls respond to being treated with respect when they have been treated so badly in the past. Just don't let them think because you are nice to them you can walked on. You can be nice without being weak.[/QUOTE]Treat them with respect no matter how they treat you. If I don't get the respect I need I just go MIA. No drama. These are not the type of relationships you have to "work on". Thats for married folks.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2199583]For me its a health issue. I never had a std in my life and never used a condom in 60 years. How is that possible?. Dumb luck and also mainly screwing girls that are exclusive to me. So I personally need to know what's up. If they want to date other guys that's cool. Then just don't date me. Unless I can be convinced its your real BF. Then I just have to hope he is faithful. Luckily there are enough very busy girls that really don't have the time, energy or inclination to date multiple guys.[/QUOTE]I'm similar in that I go BB, have never had an STD, and it's also one reason I avoid high risk girls. It's not that I've never used a condom, I have, it's just that condoms represent probably 1% of my sexual history (just because I hate them). My basic strategy for disease avoidance is to be picky and select low-volume, drug free girls. How can I be sure they are low-volume and drug free? I can never be 100% sure, and I have no doubt that some of my unprotected one-night stand girls probably lost count of their sex partners. Drinking and going to bars probably put me at higher risk than SD sites, because I spend a great deal of time picking and choosing the right girl when I'm looking for an SB. I do take good care of myself with regard to exercise and diet so maybe I have a good immune system, or I'm just plain lucky. I would never bang a working girl bareback, and as far as SBs if I even suspect she is UTR sex worker, there won't even be a M&G. This is why I pay a lot of attention to the priority they place on money, or whether they are looking for more than just financial support.

However, even outside the bowl, I know for a fact some of the girls I've been with sleep around. It's just a risk of the game.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2199757]I'm similar in that I go BB, have never had an STD, and it's also one reason I avoid high risk girls. It's not that I've never used a condom, I have, it's just that condoms represent probably 1% of my sexual history (just because I hate them). My basic strategy for disease avoidance is to be picky and select low-volume, drug free girls. How can I be sure they are low-volume and drug free? I can never be 100% sure, and I have no doubt that some of my unprotected one-night stand girls probably lost count of their sex partners. Drinking and going to bars probably put me at higher risk than SD sites, because I spend a great deal of time picking and choosing the right girl when I'm looking for an SB. I do take good care of myself with regard to exercise and diet so maybe I have a good immune system, or I'm just plain lucky. I would never bang a working girl bareback, and as far as SBs if I even suspect she is UTR sex worker, there won't even be a M&G. This is why I pay a lot of attention to the priority they place on money, or whether they are looking for more than just financial support.

However, even outside the bowl, I know for a fact some of the girls I've been with sleep around. It's just a risk of the game.[/QUOTE]Outside the bowl the girls can be far riskier than inside. Forgetting escorts or utr's. SB's are looking for guys selectively as well. I have seen civi girls bang anyone that buys them enough drinks or other party favors.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2199864]Outside the bowl the girls can be far riskier than inside. Forgetting escorts or utr's. SB's are looking for guys selectively as well. I have seen civi girls bang anyone that buys them enough drinks or other party favors.[/QUOTE]True. When I was getting most of my poon from bars and clubs, often I had beer goggles on when I made judgment calls. I have no doubt some of the girls I banged led promiscuous lifestyles, but somehow I survived. It may sound arrogant or like BS, but when I'm vetting SBs, of the girls who have profiles I'm probably only interested in contacting 5-10% in a given city. After I weed out the dubious ones, the ones that have an attitude problem, the ones I get a bad vibe about, or the ones I just decide I'm not attracted to, in the second round of vetting I'm left with maybe pursuing less than 5% of those who survived the first round of cuts. That's not to say all these ladies are lined up for a date with me by any means, sometimes the ones I want most flake for various reasons, but it just means that using my keenest (and most sober) judgment I put a lot of thought into which of them I'm willing to spend my time and money on, mostly because my SB season limits my time.

With club hopping I was never that cautious. It's more like is she hot? Check. Is she willing? Check. Is it closing time and I still haven't hooked up yet? Check. Ok its on then. I will say I don't think I inadvertently banged any hardcore druggies or pros, at least all the girls seemed to have valid alibis (I. E. Were a student, or had a real job, etc). But that doesn't mean they didn't have secrets I didn't know about. I did have one once that was a recovered drug addict, but her demeanor was such that I would have never known if she didn't tell me, which just goes to show I may have misidentified a few.

Went out to meet this pretty 23 year old (about 5'8"), utr girl tonite. She was way cuter than her pics. Went straight to her FC. She does work full time and go to school, but a girls got to do what a girls got to do to make it in this city.

She was a good kisser, super friendly and we went at it for about 90 minutes before she realized how long I had been there and tossed me out. LOL. She had a cute little single that was clean and it worked out fine.

I give her a 8.5/9/9/9. Perfect little B cups and smooth skin. I might see her tomorrow. After 2 failed M&G's the odds were on my side. A hot (low volume?) UTR for a $. Works for me everytime.

Part 2 to the story. I originally hit her up with my lets party for a $ intro letter which she turned down. But I was so into her pics that about a month later I sent her my what are you looking for thoughtful letter with no mention of money and she responded. She never tried to ask for more and in the end she took the $. So I apologized for the low offer but promised I would make it up to her by seeing her once a week and also by trying to get to know her. And the truth is, that in her case, I will for now. I liked her.

None. I think the girl from yesterday got sellers remorse. Thats one of the down sides to paying $. They wake up the next day and say OMG I did what for how much? Not that paying them more would have motivated them to do a better job. Just my opinion.

Sorry if I am over posting. The girl from last night just txted me. So we are still cool. She just slept all day. Too bad for both of us. Anyway I wrote this in my down time today. Edit as needed. It's for all you guys that like a challenge.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Then the next big issue is can you even trust most of these guys. Many of them are married or cheating on their girlfriend. Kinda hard to trust someone that's already being unfaithful.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

But you have to take the first step. I will if you will".

I am gonna try this out on some of these reluctant MILFS. Anyone else that tries it please report back.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2200691]Sorry if I am over posting. The girl from last night just txted me. So we are still cool. She just slept all day. Too bad for both of us. Anyway I wrote this in my down time today. Edit as needed. It's for all you guys that like a challenge.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Then the next big issue is can you even trust most of these guys. Many of them are married or cheating on their girlfriend. Kinda hard to trust someone that's already being unfaithful.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

But you have to take the first step. I will if you will".

I am gonna try this out on some of these reluctant MILFS. Anyone else that tries it please report back.[/QUOTE]I guess this is enough. I forget how many guys are married here.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

Reading this again now, it is pretty direct.. But for the girls that can appreciate that, you will strike a chord.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2200727]I guess this is enough. I forget how many guys are married here.
[/QUOTE]They say 90%+ SDs are married, and being married changes everything about how an SD plays the game. A typical SB would put priority on a bachelor SD over a married one, because in her mind it is an opportunity to get more for herself. If he's married, there will always be constraints on his time and expenditure. For the SBs looking for more than money, and in search of a "very supportive boyfriend", I think they try to avoid married men when possible (not withstanding a financial crisis they may have from time to time which forces them to be flexible), simply because they see the situation from a territorial standpoint ("if he has to take care of her that means less for me" The more they lean toward the UTR state of mind, the less likely they are to care about whether he is married or not. Think about it, an escort would actually prefer he is married, it means he will have somewhere to go after the money shot instead of hanging around and getting in the way of her next appointment.

Understanding this whole dynamic can be used to your advantage once you know how to read them. You can use discretion as a tool even when you don't really need it. When I am in another city, I don't have to worry about it because I'm not going to get caught by my GF or her friends one way or another. But even then, I sometimes use dialog to figure out what kind of girl I'm dealing with. I'll give an example:

Me: The thing is, I need total discretion for career reasons, can we meet at a hotel that will let me check in anonymously?

Typical UTR girl response:

(a) That's not a problem, I need discretion too.

(b) Oh don't worry, secrecy is my specialty!

(c) Don't worry baby you can come to my place and I'll take care of you!

Typical Real SB response:

(a) OMG are you married?! Your profile said you weren't! WTF!

(b) That's not what I was looking for actually, this is just like any other form of dating for me.

(c) I'm okay with a certain amount of discretion but this makes me wonder what you're hiding and I'm not comfortable with that.

This is not to say that SB's don't fuck married men, they do. But their approach is different and you can kind of detect it in initial interaction with them if you work the dialog right.

But, if you look at statistics I think true bachelor SDs are in the minority, so I would definitely use that to your advantage. Me, I'm in the middle. I become a free-wheeling bachelor only when the planets line up, but when I do then look out. LOL. But ultimately I'm not REALLY available the way the true SBs I've met would like me to be. It's just one of those things in life. If I were really available, I'd probably be focusing on looking for someone who is not a self-admitted gold-digger, something no SB can deny. So I typically steer clear of SB sites when I'm single and just focus on free pussy. Yet, if I were really filthy rich, I would probably come to the conclusion that a real relationship isn't possible and just bang everything I could get my hands on. Hugh Hefner comes to mind, although it seems to me he is still under the delusion that these young broads would love him if he was penniless. I think I'd rather have a boner with no where to go than be as out of touch with reality as that at his age.

JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.

My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.

All the other hundreds of my contacts have not been bothered by marriage. Some I asked opined that they like a married man because they do not want the complications of an IRL relationship. They want help with finances. And married guys require discretion as well. Most 22 yr old girls don't want to flash around a 60 yr old guy in public anyway.

If you are a younger SD, I would say under 40 ,SBs might look at you as a potential IRL partner. IMHO this is why a guy like JL can have so much success in the dating arena. There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved. My partners are blown away by the sex they have with me LOL. But that doesn't mean they'll see me for nothing or take me home to Momma.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2202240]JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.[/QUOTE]Few of my SBs seem to have BFs. I know that is an unknown, but most are busy with life, work or school, and are happy getting their rocks off with Daddy and don't really have time for an IRL relationship, which takes nurturing. Obviously UTRs and PROs are an exception.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2202240]JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.[/QUOTE]Most of the SBs I've known are hot enough that they have a constant supply of men of all ages hitting on them wherever they go. Facebook allows us a lot of insight into people's lives these days, and using that as a research tool has helped me to observe. In terms of married SBs, based on the ones I've met I think they are definitely the minority, although I have definitely seen them -- I've even seen some indicate such in their profile. As far as having boyfriends, etc. I would say the majority of them have something else going on whether it is a boyfriend, prospective boyfriend with a relationship forming, a fiancé, etc. One of mine still lived with her "ex boyfriend", and told me she still loved him but that he "hated her and was only nice when he wanted sex", so she was still fucking him intermittently. Another one told me that she prefers dating older men but if she is not in an SD situation she has "other male friends" that help with her sexual needs. I know of one of my former SBs that I do believe was legitimately single when I saw her, and her FB page today indicates she is in a serious relationship with a guy close to her age and as far as I know she's out of the SB scene currently.

So basically I don't think there's a formula. Women are women, but in SB dating I think there's a high probability she's got something else going on the side, whether financial or emotionally motivated. Usually SD / SB arrangements are prefaced as "NSA" agreements, and most women want to have some strings attached to someone at all times, so they see NSA as a license to have other activities just as the SD does.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.

All the other hundreds of my contacts have not been bothered by marriage. Some I asked opined that they like a married man because they do not want the complications of an IRL relationship. They want help with finances. And married guys require discretion as well. Most 22 yr old girls don't want to flash around a 60 yr old guy in public anyway.

If you are a younger SD, I would say under 40 ,SBs might look at you as a potential IRL partner. IMHO this is why a guy like JL can have so much success in the dating arena. There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved. My partners are blown away by the sex they have with me LOL. But that doesn't mean they'll see me for nothing or take me home to Momma.[/QUOTE]Actually I'm not under 40. LOL. But I understand what you're saying. There will be a time when for whatever reason I'm older than most 20 year olds would be comfortable dating in public and at that point my options will be different than they are today. Actually I've met 20 year olds in the past who confused me for being younger, and got freaked out when they learned my age (that was in civy dating though, haven't got that reaction from an SB yet).

But your experience with those not bothered by marriage really mixes well with what I wrote. The ones that are strictly money motivated tend to be more on the UTR side, thus unconcerned whether you're married or not. They may even make up the majority of the girls on these SB sites. As I've written before, sometimes the line between a UTR and a true SB is not black and white. There are just certain traits that we can use to categorize them (if it walks like a duck, etc).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.
.[/QUOTE]My profile is down right now, but I also made it clear that I was married, and even put in my post I did not care if they were married. As I have mentioned before, of the 15 or so I have seen this year, only 2 have not been married or engaged, so my status was a bonus for them. Only 1 decided not to go to FC because I was married. Of the ones that were really UTR's, they were the 2 single girls. The married ones have all been quasi exclusive on the extra curricular activites...meaning they are fucking me and their spouse.

Another thing to point out is that sometimes indifference to whether we are married or not is observed in civy dating, too. There are some women that have recurring patterns of dating married men. The theory is that they are attracted to something they can't have, or maybe there is something inside them that makes them competitive enough to see if they can steal another woman's man?

I once was talking to a stripper about what a PITA someone I was dating at the time was. She said "listen, I can tell you because I'm a woman -- we are evil creatures". She then proceeded to tell me a story about how once she had a married regular customer that would always come in and buy lap dances. She said she didn't really like him at all, but she decided to play a game and see if she could lure him away from his wife and family. So over a period of weeks / months she started dating him, convinced him to leave his wife for her, etc. Then after he did, she just dumped him. I said why would you intentionally screw up someone's life like that? She said "just to see if I could, it was a competitive thing. I told you, we're evil!"

So, there's that.

SBs and UTRs are just women at the end of the day, there are some that are "evil" like the above example, or some that view marriage as something not particularly important in the big scheme of things one way or another (that vows were made for breaking), and there will be some who think that marriage is the only thing sacred in life and that anyone who cheats is slime. In general, girls you meet on SB sites are going to be a lot more tolerant of it than anywhere other than the escort scene, because of the wide spectrum of girl types you meet there. Why? Mostly because the majority of SDs are married, so if they've been on the site more than a day or so they've already dealt with the subject in their mind.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved.[/QUOTE]I agree with this 99% of the time. But I currently have one that refuses to take my money and she is actually the horniest one that I have the longest sessions with. Is she the best looking? No. But she is 21 and a freak. I can do almost anything with her, and she is actually pushing my limits.

Hey all! First, my sincerest and deepest gratitude to you veteran SD's who have posted so much valuable information here for me to research and properly prepare for my upcoming SD adventures. I have been in the bowl for just over a week (I joined SA 10 days ago) and have my first M&G set for tomorrow with a true SB first-timer, 30 YO smoking hot blonde who needs attention and someone to treat her nice, which I definitely will. I have several other MG's set up, been juggling them really among 7 women who want to meet me so far. My first MG setup flaked and went radio silent, now she's hitting me up for a reschedule but I have seen the unbelievable number of hot young thangs who are available to me and I'm not giving her a second chance. My second MG setup was an Asian girl, about 30, cute, but maybe a 7 overall who didn't like it when I said that I had some free time after the MG to "try each other out" if the MG went well. "If you expect sex on the first date then what you're looking for is a prostitute, not a classy woman!" I responded that I had no expectations at all beyond a nice dinner and a chance to get to know her, but that the next step beyond the MG would include sex. And that if we didn't click, I would not sleep with her because I was NOT looking for a prostitute. Despite being a semi-experienced SB with about a year under her belt, she went silent. Her loss. If the communication is that bad from the start, and she gets offended that easily, then I probably dodged a bullet. Then a GPS who wanted $250 to come to the MG. She's got a marvelous wit and our correspondence has been very stimulating, so I finally said "$250 for dinner, drinks and some intimate time with a beautiful woman is acceptable" and she came back with "As in any relationship, you will have to seduce me and intimate time will cost more. " I told her she was probably worth every penny but I cannot afford her, and to keep me in mind if she could manage $250 all-inclusive. How can a POT charge a'la carte and also claim that it's a relationship? It boggles the mind.

So, tomorrow looks like it's happening. My potential SB has been late-night texting, we've had a couple of long phone calls and it looks like we'll be a great match. I'm psyched as I haven't been on anything resembling a date in many years. She is so excited she took the entire day off of work for our lunch meet. If it goes to the FC I will be prepared. But I have already avoided several pitfalls mainly because of your sage advice here, and I intend to contribute to this forum as I gain experience in the bowl. Wish me luck and I hope to report back with a successful meet and some awesome FC action.

SOL.

I'm trying to stay out of the bowl. Burns up too much of my time and attention. I let my sa acct go dead but I keep my toes in the water a little.

22 year old freak is constantly chasing me down. I've gone to strictly bjs cause she is a dirty hippie and I think she screws everything. She is a filthy who're and I can do anything. This last time I videoed her gagging on it for 30 minutes before I painted her and the wall behind her. She should be in porn. She even makes the loudest and sexiest noises while sucking.

22 year old mom keeps having a crisis of conscience. But every time the bills come due she comes calling. If she hadn't had a kid her body would be a 10. But it's an 8 now and she is fairly skilled. BJ is lacking like most are. I think she could learn but our time is normally rushed.

New 24 year old innocent girl is a little thick but her face is pretty and she is super innocent and sweet. After a month of delays got to the fc today and it was what I thought. She was innocent and not very experienced acting but she tried hard and was enthusiastic to suck to finish me. Her BJ was the standard sub par, although we could force it down her throat, but she seemed very interested in getting better. She asked me not to get it in her face so that's something we will have to over come. Her body was a 6 but she was super wet and snug.

Coeds are back in school and there are 42,000 females attending 10 Four year universities within 70 miles of my home town. This does not include the junior Colleges which are prolific as well. How about those numbers? There are another 40,000 within 3 hours. Mind (and other) blowing stats for sure. Colleges are fertile shopping malls for broke not so moral youngsters willing to spread their (er) wings to make ends meet. Pun intended.

My inbox is lit up and I have neither the time nor the money to entertain them all. Decisions must be made which are not easy.

SB #1 is Asian, beautiful, and willing to do whatever I want. She is a little chubby, which is not to my liking. So I like to pad the calendar a little more.

SB #2 is in the wind. We did a great great arrangement but could not meet enough to satisfy the terms of the deal. So that is off. Too bad since she was a true 9 across the board.

FB #1 vaporized after owing me some money. She unfortunately was a Nando 1 to the core and constantly wanted a loan or advance. We worked out a repay schedule but she's gone.

Pots I am working are:

1) 18 yr old college frosh ,2) 19 yr old Frosh, 23 yr old Senior all slim and ready for the M&G.

So many Babies, so little time and money!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2202484] I once was talking to a stripper about what a PITA someone I was dating at the time was. She said "listen, I can tell you because I'm a woman -- we are evil creatures". She then proceeded to tell me a story about how once she had a married regular customer that would always come in and buy lap dances. She said she didn't really like him at all, but she decided to play a game and see if she could lure him away from his wife and family. So over a period of weeks / months she started dating him, convinced him to leave his wife for her, etc. Then after he did, she just dumped him. I said why would you intentionally screw up someone's life like that? She said "just to see if I could, it was a competitive thing. I told you, we're evil!" [/QUOTE]Reminds me of the time a girl and I went to a casino and stopped at the casino's dress shop. We were not getting along particularly well at the time. She picked out a dress I didn't like. I voiced no opinion and paid. Later she told me she didn't like the dress. I asked why she asked for it then. She said, "To punish you." I took too long getting rid of her because she was hot as the dickens for her age and fuqued like a mink.

Some women are good through and through and others are down right mean. It's hard to tell what's behind that smile sometimes.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2203122]Reminds me of the time a girl and I went to a casino and stopped at the casino's dress shop. We were not getting along particularly well at the time. She picked out a dress I didn't like. I voiced no opinion and paid. Later she told me she didn't like the dress. I asked why she asked for it then. She said, "To punish you." I took too long getting rid of her because she was hot as the dickens for her age and fuqued like a mink.

Some women are good through and through and others are down right mean. It's hard to tell what's behind that smile sometimes.[/QUOTE]Women like us to buy things for them on command. It doesn't matter so much what the item is, it's the act itself. I think it gives them a temporary feeling of power.

Even my GF (who isn't perfect but is one of the most honest women I've ever met -- one main reason I keep her) likes to test me on this every now and then. She will either send me a link to something online and ask me to order it for her, or if we are at a store she will ask me to buy something for her. It's almost never an expensive item -- I guess she does this because if the cost were objectionable it might get in the way of the real purpose of the test. Then, sometimes out of nowhere she will either hand me money to cover the purchase, or offer to buy dinner or something similar.

It's actually a two-phase assault. Getting us to buy it for them is saying "look I can pull your strings" and paying back is saying "look I never really needed your help, I could have afforded it myself if I wanted, I just wanted to test you".

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2203707]Women like us to buy things for them on command. It doesn't matter so much what the item is, it's the act itself. I think it gives them a temporary feeling of power.

Even my GF (who isn't perfect but is one of the most honest women I've ever met -- one main reason I keep her) likes to test me on this every now and then. She will either send me a link to something online and ask me to order it for her, or if we are at a store she will ask me to buy something for her. It's almost never an expensive item -- I guess she does this because if the cost were objectionable it might get in the way of the real purpose of the test. Then, sometimes out of nowhere she will either hand me money to cover the purchase, or offer to buy dinner or something similar.

It's actually a two-phase assault. Getting us to buy it for them is saying "look I can pull your strings" and paying back is saying "look I never really needed your help, I could have afforded it myself if I wanted, I just wanted to test you".[/QUOTE]The woman wouldn't pull that shyt if she was truly secure in the relationship. We're on the lookout for strange but still more secure than the women. We trust. Women don't trust.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2204150]The woman wouldn't pull that shyt if she was truly secure in the relationship. We're on the lookout for strange but still more secure than the women. We trust. Women don't trust.[/QUOTE]I don't think any woman has ever been secure with me in a relationship, but it's actually good to keep them a little jealous and worried -- I'd rather it be like that then the other way around. It gives me the upper hand in the relationship. But sometimes they need certain reaffirmations -- women have their games.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2204154]I don't think any woman has ever been secure with me in a relationship, but it's actually good to keep them a little jealous and worried -- I'd rather it be like that then the other way around. It gives me the upper hand in the relationship. But sometimes they need certain reaffirmations -- women have their games.[/QUOTE]I don't think the upper hand works. Lasting relationships require a balance. Women are into the storybook of happily ever after and long for that. If she is not secure in a relationship she will stray and eventually leave.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2204217]I don't think the upper hand works. Lasting relationships require a balance. Women are into the storybook of happily ever after and long for that. If she is not secure in a relationship she will stray and eventually leave.[/QUOTE]Tip of the day: Never take relationship advice from anyone who hangs out on a forum like this.

I've already left her once in the past. If she fucks up I'll leave her again.

So my very first M&G went well IMO. Met my sexy blonde 30 y / o, we had drinks, flirted a lot and then I asked if she wanted to get a room. Neither of us were particularly expecting a trip to the FC but being a good boy scout I was prepared. She hadn't had sex in almost 2 years, was very sensitive and came easily and loudly. So I now have my first SB and we'll see where it goes from here. It's a first time experience for both of us and lots of fun. However, she was adamant about not getting naked until I committed to her as my only SB before the deed, which of course I did. She is my only SB "at this time" but I have another M&G set up for today that I don't expect to go to the FC and I'll make a decision on who I want to be with for now. I don't think she understands that this type of relationship is supposed to be transitional and isn't a long-term commitment. I'm just starting to have fun and I want to see what's out there. Next date I'm going to explain in further detail exactly how this works. I don't want her to feel like I used her and threw her to the side. I like her too much for that. But, there were some red flags last night, and I probably should have avoided the FC on the first date with this one but the call of the FC was too strong.

Red Flags: I only have ever dated non-smokers and picked her profile specifically because she didn't smoke, so imaging my surprise when she showed up with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth. The smell of it actually turns me off so much that I had a hard time keeping an erection, although I did manage 2 pops.

She has expensive tastes in jewelry, purses, etc. But had zero money on her even though she owns a legitimate small business.

She is already making long-term dating plans based on the fact that we did the deed. I came into this SD thing wanting to meet as many women as I could. I'm not looking for monogamy.

My starting budget is probably in the $1 k / month range, but with the date, some sugar, gas, hotel room, wine, etc. I racked up well over $400 which will mean 2-3 dates per month MAX and that doesn't allow for other M&Gs to bolster my future rotation. I still have half a dozen women that I'm interested in looking to meet me. I guess I'll commit to this one somewhat as I learn the ropes, set some rules and see what happens.

SOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2204241]Tip of the day: Never take relationship advice from anyone who hangs out on a forum like this.

I've already left her once in the past. If she fucks up I'll leave her again.[/QUOTE]We all need different things. Some girls are Subs and want a Dom Daddy or SO. They do need constant validation that they are respected and needed, and special.

An SO should never have to feel insecure about your love for her.

But she should never take us for granted either.

And JL is correct in advice from those of us who are avoiding the hard relationship issues by escaping to the Bowl.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2204404]We all need different things. Some girls are Subs and want a Dom Daddy or SO. They do need constant validation that they are respected and needed, and special.

An SO should never have to feel insecure about your love for her.

But she should never take us for granted either.

And JL is correct in advice from those of us who are avoiding the hard relationship issues by escaping to the Bowl.[/QUOTE]She doesn't have to feel insecure about my love for her, in fact really if I had my way she wouldn't. But everyone I've ever been with seems to feel threatened they will lose me to someone better -- the reality is that my dabbling in the bowl is very few and far between, and makes up a very small percentage of my life, and there is certainly nothing about any of these SBs that threatens to take me away from her, it's just something to cure my boredom when she's out of town.

And yes, mongerer forums are probably the worst place on the planet to seek advice on how to sustain a relationship. I'm the way I am because I was born this way -- I wear the pants in my personal relationships as well as business and that's mostly because it's not in my nature to be any other way. The likes of Dr. Phil and Oprah Winfrey would like society to believe whatever they are selling in their latest episode, but if I look at my own relatives and friends, at the relationships and marriages that have actually lasted, they fall into one of two categories:

1. The male is the clear leader of the family and takes no shit whatsoever off the female.

2. The female is the boss and the male is pussy whipped.

In other words there is a clear leader in every successful relationship I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. Everything else is only something I've heard about on TV. I wouldn't be able to force myself to become a #2 case if I wanted to.

I had been texting and emailing a POT for about a month as she was pretty nervous about meeting and seemed to be in and out of a bad relationship. I get a text with the standard "I really hate to ask you this but. " Well she needed a little bit of money and asked if I could help her out. I weighed the pros and cons and decided to meet her that afternoon and give her $. 6 as a down payment. She seemed super happy and we talked about meeting the next day. So fast forward a day and I send her a text letting her know I was in my way to our planned meeting spot. She texts back about 30 minutes later asking if I was there and she was trying to get another $. 4 from her uncle. Another 30 minutes go by and she sends another text saying she could not make it because she did not want to get pulled over for not having current insurance on her car. I tell her no worries and go silent. 2 days later she sends a text asking where I have been and why I have not talked to her. I send a simple response saying I was disappointed in her backing out of our meet and it gives me serious doubt I can trust her to keep her word especially since I already helped her out some with money. Never heard back. Oh well. I really did want to go FC with this one as I had a lot of time invested and she was super cute.

I will be visiting Manhattan for 11 days for work and if anyone has any leads in that area pm me with any information you are willing to provide.

Thanks! And happy hunting!

Like SOL, I was intending to budget about $1 K / mo, but wound up spending $7 K the first month or so getting established and getting all the machinery moving in the same direction. Now it as settled in to about $1. 5 K / mo with about four, sometimes five good outings per month.

I'd be interested in hearing from some of the serious-old-times on this board what a monthly and per-event budget is running.

[QUOTE=SpiceOfLife;2204341]
My starting budget is probably in the $1 k / month range, but with the date, some sugar, gas, hotel room, wine, etc. I racked up well over $400 which will mean 2-3 dates per month MAX and that doesn't allow for other M&Gs to bolster my future rotation. I still have half a dozen women that I'm interested in looking to meet me. I guess I'll commit to this one somewhat as I learn the ropes, set some rules and see what happens.

SOL.[/QUOTE]