Massage Parlor Reports

Even the Asian girl with the poorest english will understand what her regular wants and try to accomodate. Remember, It is always less risk seeing a regular than it is trying to determine if the new client is a cop. Sure thing income (tip) or unknown?

It is a rare AMP girl who doesn't accomodate her regulars.


[QUOTE=Rubenme2]I think they would. I say first find a place and lady that you like and get her comfortable with you. Even better would be to get the mamasan or papasan comfortable with you being a regular. Next tell them what you want to do and that should do it.

I've had that work out with every place I've frequented and it works.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kevino]I don't like massages would it be weird if I ask for just the HE, or would they think I'm LE.[/QUOTE]This is a new one. Someone who thinks the massages are too LONG!

I'll bite. The first step in making sure a provider knows you are not LE is letting her see your crank. Not a quick glance, but a full view. If, when she leaves the room so you can get "comfortable" you strip, wrap the towel around your waist and SIT on the table. You can then give her a fully nude view when she returns to start the massage. If she leaves again and instructs you to lay down, you are out of look. If she stays in the room while you slowly climb on to the table with your junk hangin' out. You have already done something LE would not do. Exposing yourself. And you have done it in a way that could be considered accidental or professional.

Also, understand in advance what the establishment's going rate for tips is. Offer this tip before you even get on the table. Of course, there is a chance you won't get the desired service without specifically requesting it. But those things happen. Don't monger if you can't accept the occasional strike out.

Thanks to TheFalconer for mentioning that Anna is back on the radar, I spent an enjoyable hour with her. Much nicer spa than the place on Green and she seems to have picked up some therapeutic skills while out in sunny CA.

In need of more therapy, I booked an appt. w/BP Lexie. The photos reeled me in and I took the bait. My bad. Not sure if the pics in the ad are her as it was pretty dark in the room. If, however, they are her pics, they're not current because the girl that answered the door was quite sturdy and thick. The butt in the pics definitely doesn't match the butt I saw.

Nice enough personality, very outgoing, talks a ton, but definitely not what I expected based on the pics. All I could hope for was that she may have some hidden talents, so I went ahead w/the session. Again, my bad. It was non therapeutic, non sensual, not a hint of a GFE and I really had to concentrate at the end. I won't be going back.

This is actually a report on an Asian apt., but since a "massage" is also offered, I'll post it here. Damn close to an Asian GFE: DFK, DATY, BBBJ (mighty close, anyhow), multiple positions. Her name is "Amy", very petite, maybe not even 5', but very well proportioned. Very friendly--wanted me to hang around and give her a geography lesson on the sights of NYC. Likes to hug and kiss alot. 1.2 for the hh. Check out backpage: "brand new pretty young asian girl - 20".

[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]This is a new one. Someone who thinks the massages are too LONG![/QUOTE]I can understand the anxiety during the back massage when you are ready for the flip.

My solution? Once the masseuse gets to know me quite well after a few visits, I ask for the HJ at the beginning of the session. She then proceeds with the massage, and then sometimes she may offer a second pop towards the end.

[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]This is a new one. Someone who thinks the massages are too LONG!

I'll bite. The first step in making sure a provider knows you are not LE is letting her see your crank. Not a quick glance, but a full view. If, when she leaves the room so you can get "comfortable" you strip, wrap the towel around your waist and SIT on the table. You can then give her a fully nude view when she returns to start the massage. If she leaves again and instructs you to lay down, you are out of look. If she stays in the room while you slowly climb on to the table with your junk hangin' out. You have already done something LE would not do. Exposing yourself. And you have done it in a way that could be considered accidental or professional.

Also, understand in advance what the establishment's going rate for tips is. Offer this tip before you even get on the table. Of course, there is a chance you won't get the desired service without specifically requesting it. But those things happen. Don't monger if you can't accept the occasional strike out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips, I just get super sore the next day after a massage.

Went to Beijing and thought I'd check it out for myself and give a report after mixed reviews.

I pulled Angela for my hour at. 6 w/ and extra $10 for tableshower which I passed on. Massage was very so so. Maybe a 5 though I thought I would still be in for a good time. Low cut top, short skirt, and looking good for action.

Got undressed right in front of her with no issue and the towel was off while on my stomach. A little light roaming while face down but didn't push it too hard.

On the flip the dreaded towell was on and she replaced it twice. I asked about her talking good care of me and she said that any of the girls there would take good care of me and to not worry if she was working. That was when I was pretty sure it was game over.

Sure enought massage finished with no tease or hint. No last minute chance with that "anything else? " we all like. If you want a good massage or extras stay clear of Angela.

If anyone else has info or her or Lisa or Linda I would appreciate it.

I had a heck of a night. Went to see my ATF at Irving and Pulaski around 8pm but she was gone for the day. That sucked bigtime. The girl there was not my type so I left and went to the other AMPs around Irving as I had a craving.

Passed by Montrose and Cicero and they had two, AA and Euro. Didn't get their names, but left as the Euro chick (okay looking) was leaving in 30 minutes. The AA girl was not doing massages. Passed by and called Violet but no answer so moved onto to the Massage School. They were closed so on warded to Pretty Girls and asked for Helen. She was busy just starting a massage 10 before I walked in. The one free was way too old looking for me. Running of patience and time. Passed by the AMP on Milwauke next to the theater and meet Maggie. She was nice looking, late 20s. Didn't rock my boat but I needed some release. She did a great massage and lots of ass play but nothing else. I asked her about extras and she said she doesn't that. What a night. Gave up and went home and popped in a porn!

Question for seniors out there. On the way home, I passed Tatiana's on Milwauke before Montrose. They were closing, but two HOT Euro babes, blond and brunette were closing it up and walked to their cars. ANYONE have info on Tatiana's or those babes?

Only good news I have is starting Wednesday when this report is posted, Sunny will be back!

CDT

One step further. Why putz with the towel at all? When she leaves so you can 'get comfortable', take everything off and be standing there naked as the day you were born. Without anyone saying a word (that part is important), it is completely clear to everyone that you're not related to uncle leo and that you. At leat. Want a nekkid massage. In fact, hide the towel, put the towel under you, whatever. The towel is not your friend.

[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]This is a new one. Someone who thinks the massages are too LONG!

I'll bite. The first step in making sure a provider knows you are not LE is letting her see your crank. Not a quick glance, but a full view. If, when she leaves the room so you can get "comfortable" you strip, wrap the towel around your waist and SIT on the table. You can then give her a fully nude view when she returns to start the massage. If she leaves again and instructs you to lay down, you are out of look. If she stays in the room while you slowly climb on to the table with your junk hangin' out. You have already done something LE would not do. Exposing yourself. And you have done it in a way that could be considered accidental or professional.

Also, understand in advance what the establishment's going rate for tips is. Offer this tip before you even get on the table. Of course, there is a chance you won't get the desired service without specifically requesting it. But those things happen. Don't monger if you can't accept the occasional strike out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Datsurman]The towel is not your friend.[/QUOTE]

Absofuckinglutely true. Know it, learn it, live it.

[QUOTE=Cdthue]...On the way home, I passed Tatiana's on Milwauke before Montrose. They were closing, but two HOT Euro babes, blond and brunette were closing it up and walked to their cars. ANYONE have info on Tatiana's or those babes?
CDT[/QUOTE]I've been to all four (known) Tat's locations. The spa on Milwaukee was the only one where I was turned down. This was a huge disappointment for me. The younger, smaller framed brunette wasn't crazy about me losing my towel twice during the massage. I tried to break the ice with humor. She responded by telling me I was acting like a child.

Tat's is the one euro spa I know of that features a decent table shower, but, they'll make you where those little jogging shorts. This is downtown, so they probably feel a heat a smaller location lost in a random suburban office park wouldn't.

I know what 2 years ago some girls did fun stuff in there, and it's a fact. Not all of them. Not sure what is going on now. Those girls are Polish and really hot! BTW there is CPD station two blocks down the road.

Every where I go it's the same story. No business is it LE? Election year? Are just the sign of the times? I went by 4 spa's today 2 on Wentworth 1 on 31 St. and 1 on Archer. All slow. The girls ask me why! I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower there prices. One owner told me if business don't pick up soon she will have to close down. She told me 2000. A month rent plus utility's big nut to crack. Some thing has to change.

You can start by learning to write coherently. DePaul offers remedial writing courses for people who never learned the trick in high school.

[QUOTE=Humpfree]Some one could maybe help me. Every where I go it's the same story.

No business is it LE? Are just the sign of the time? The girls ask me I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower there prices. I'm told how 2000. A month rent. Some thing has to happen what?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Humpfree]Some one could maybe help me. Every where I go it's the same story.

No business is it LE? Are just the sign of the time? The girls ask me I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower there prices. I'm told how 2000. A month rent. Some thing has to happen what?[/QUOTE]

Did I take too many Vicodins this morning? I'm having difficulty deciphering this paragraph.

[QUOTE=Humpfree]Some one could maybe help me. Every where I go it's the same story.

No business is it LE? Are just the sign of the time? The girls ask me I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower there prices. I'm told how 2000. A month rent. Some thing has to happen what?[/QUOTE]

This is my guesstimate:

Could someone help me? Everywhere I go, it's the same story.

No business. Is it LE or just a sign of the times? The girls ask me, but I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower their prices. I'm told, "How, with $2000 a month rent?" Something has to happen, but what?



I hate it when people use their phones to post.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]Absofuckinglutely true. Know it, learn it, live it.[/QUOTE]Wished the forums had a "like" button cause this is pure win!!

[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]Also, understand in advance what the establishment's going rate for tips is. Offer this tip before you even get on the table. Of course, there is a chance you won't get the desired service without specifically requesting it. But those things happen. Don't monger if you can't accept the occasional strike out.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry to disagree, but I can't support the giving of tips BEFORE the session. Not because I'm cheap, but I don't believe it sends the message you think. Let's be real - from the moment you walk in, the girl already knows whether you're getting a HE or not. Trying to convince her by giving money upfront might very well spook a girl who was planning to give you a HE with little up-front negotiation.

She knows why you're there. Show her your hard dick, and you shouldn't have any problem with her thinking you're LE. Still might not get HE, if she's "not that kind of girl..." LOL!

[QUOTE=F Blaster]This is my guesstimate:

Could someone help me? Everywhere I go, it's the same story.

No business. Is it LE or just a sign of the times? The girls ask me, but I don't know what to tell them. Maybe lower their prices. I'm told, "How, with $2000 a month rent?" Something has to happen, but what?[/QUOTE]

If you've mongered as long as me, you know these things go in cycles. The 90s was the golden age for suburban spas. Over the years there were dozens of spas from Hillside all the way out to Batavia. I remember back then a city spa was a rare thing - we used to wonder why there were no AMPs in Chinatown.

Now there are a bunch of city spas, but rents may be too high to sustain them all. Expect a slow changeover in the next couple of years as city spas close and suburban spas reappear.

[QUOTE=PittPanther]I'm sorry to disagree, but I can't support the giving of tips BEFORE the session. Not because I'm cheap, but I don't believe it sends the message you think. Let's be real - from the moment you walk in, the girl already knows whether you're getting a HE or not. Trying to convince her by giving money upfront might very well spook a girl who was planning to give you a HE with little up-front negotiation.[/QUOTE]I will say that works best with providers you have seen before. I did that with someone last week and got probably the best service I have had in a year.

Stopped ny Violet Spa on Irving Park today on the way home from work. Girl I got (Sally) was so so, I have definitely had better there before. Massage was about a 5 and there was NO attention paid to any of the parts I wanted attention paid to. She told me she was done and I asked if there was anything else and she said she didn't do it. But then was pretty adamant that I come back the next time for an hour and she give me a much better massage. I have NEVER had any problems with this place. Even my first time there I had no issues with getting at least an HE.

This place has been spotty lately. Called a couple times and there has been no answers and driven by and its been closed. Not sure if Uncle Leo shut them down for a bit or not.

[QUOTE=Tt Gun]BTW there is CPD station two blocks down the road.[/QUOTE]That's probably a good thing. They probably help keep this location open once their shift is over for the day. :)

I hope you're right PittP. I miss the days of the good suburban spas. Back in the 90's, the Euro girls were not so common, so when they move out to the burbs, I'll be happy. I hate going into the city, and to each his own, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone would want to live or work in the city. Traffic and parking sucks, public transit isn't much better, and everything is overpriced. I don't live in the far out burbs, in fact I live smack in the heart of Chicagoland. I like city-type living. But I make it a point to stay west of Cumberland/1st Ave and north of Touhy, where there is a little more sanity.

[QUOTE=PittPanther]If you've mongered as long as me, you know these things go in cycles. The 90s was the golden age for suburban spas. Over the years there were dozens of spas from Hillside all the way out to Batavia. I remember back then a city spa was a rare thing - we used to wonder why there were no AMPs in Chinatown.

Now there are a bunch of city spas, but rents may be too high to sustain them all. Expect a slow changeover in the next couple of years as city spas close and suburban spas reappear.[/QUOTE]

Had some free time and took a trip down Archer and stopped at Ruby spa. Naturally aksed for a half hour (I usually never need a full hour of 'massage' unless its therapeutic). None of the cute younger ladies were present. The place was empty. There were 4 women sitting on the couch. The one who went behind the counter and took my fee called for Judy to get up. I looked at her as she approached, and I also looked the other too on the couch, and then went along. I looked because if Judy was not to my liking, I would have asked for one of the other women. I was a bit surprise the one behind the counter actually called for one of them. With 4 present, I wondered why she did not ask me who I wanted???
Anyway, Judy and I go back for a halfway decent massage. On the flip, I'm thinking off with the top and lets get to work. She has other ideas. 1st she plays with the package as I rub her back side and hips. Now that I'm awake, she asks for a 60 tip. I said what - maybe .25 or .30 depending on how good the finish is. She get angry and says 60. I say no 25 or 30. Then I remind her I can go to Chinatown and get the finish for 20-30. Now she has this ugly look on her face and doesn't know what to do. She tries to tell me that 60 is normal. I of course disagree with her. So I said are you going to finish the massage or not. Her - how much? Me - 30. I remind her I can do this myself and keep the 30 for me! Her - ok, no touch. She moves my hand away (from her hips). I'm like WTF. I asked her if she is going to smile, and she flashes me a fake smile. I told her to forget it. I start to get dressed and she leaves to room.
I go out and she is talking crap with the other 3. She has the nerve to ask for a tip in front of them. I smile and reply no, you did not finish the massage. I tought of having one of the others sitting there go back with me and EARN a tip. Then she starts in about me going to Chinatown ...........
She is mad while I am totally calm and relaxed. I look at the other 3 and ask the pretty one her name. She tells me her name and I tell her next time I will choose her because she looks happy and is smiling. I like it if you smile and can make the massage nice. I tell them the other girl, Judy, (and I point to her) is not happy and does not smile -and that is why I am leaving. FYI - I am being totally professional and polite during this whole conversation. I thank them for their time, and I reminded the pretty one I will see her next time. She smiled again as did I. I left. Called and got better service elsewhere.

My points:
Stand your ground and use the big head and common sense.
(I tried to talk to her first, and make her realize we can do a finish at home)
Smile at your customers, and be nice, not rude.
* A tip is for services rendered (not upfront before a serivce)
* Smile and be nice (seems appropriate to repeat this one)
* Told her the same can be had just down the street at a lower rate
* Do not give your customer a hard time
* Be polite and professional (shows you are not being a jerk and leaves the door open for a future visit) Because the other one was definitely pretty (IMHO)

As with all of these places YMMV.
Stay safe and horny, HM2

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]Absofuckinglutely true. Know it, learn it, live it.[/QUOTE]
There's only one thing I hate more than draping, and that is draping and tucking. I no longer go to places that feel a need to do that.

OK so kudos to Horny2Massage. I had a similar experience and would have to say stand your ground a tip appropriately.

Copper Tan

Based on previously reviews I opted to Copper to see Anna. Took the hour with TS at the end since I had already showered prior to my visit. If this is the same Anna from Alice's Greektown what a disappointemnt. This Anna has long curly hair and a great natural c rack early to mid 40's. So the massage was pretty legit with some brushing of the boys and contact with lil Sil. I figured all systems are go to the finish. Well that didnt happen. Towards the end on the flip she basically wanted me to self enduce. So I applied her hands to the most neglected area and she said "no trouble" "no trouble". So I said "theres no trouble from me" so as a anti LE move I proceeded to pull her top down and tasted the mameries and she didnt resist but she did still resist the HE when I assist her to that area....WTF!! She then told me lets go to the Table SHower. SO I'm thinking OK theres where the HE will take place. Well that didnt progress either so I left with blue balls. I left a $5 tip for her for the taste test.

Anyone have any experience with this one?

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I think you are right. Even now if you check CL, you will see a few more AMPs advertising in the burbs.

[QUOTE=PittPanther]If you've mongered as long as me, you know these things go in cycles. The 90s was the golden age for suburban spas. Over the years there were dozens of spas from Hillside all the way out to Batavia. I remember back then a city spa was a rare thing - we used to wonder why there were no AMPs in Chinatown.

Now there are a bunch of city spas, but rents may be too high to sustain them all. Expect a slow changeover in the next couple of years as city spas close and suburban spas reappear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horny Massage2]Had some free time and took a trip down Archer and stopped at Ruby spa.....Judy... She get angry and says 60. I say no 25 or 30. Then I remind her I can go to Chinatown and get the finish for 20-30...... I tought of having one of the others sitting there go back with me and EARN a tip. Then she starts in about me going to Chinatown ...........
She is mad while I am totally calm and relaxed. I look at the other 3 and ask the pretty one her name. She tells me her name and I tell her next time I will choose her because she looks happy and is smiling. I like it if you smile and can make the massage nice. I tell them the other girl, Judy, (and I point to her) is not happy and does not smile -and that is why I am leaving. FYI - I am being totally professional and polite during this whole conversation. I thank them for their time, and I reminded the pretty one I will see her next time. She smiled again as did I. I left. Called and got better service elsewhere.

My points:
Stand your ground and use the big head and common sense.
(I tried to talk to her first, and make her realize we can do a finish at home)
Smile at your customers, and be nice, not rude.
* A tip is for services rendered (not upfront before a serivce)
* Smile and be nice (seems appropriate to repeat this one)
* Told her the same can be had just down the street at a lower rate
* Do not give your customer a hard time
* Be polite and professional (shows you are not being a jerk and leaves the door open for a future visit) Because the other one was definitely pretty (IMHO)

As with all of these places YMMV.
Stay safe and horny, HM2[/QUOTE]

Had a similar situation with an Asian provider. She was a 10/10 and wanted $1.50 but I held my ground. She was not happy and started to frown. I stayed polite and firm. Finally she gave in and proceded to service me.

Now at this point I'm thinking do I want to finish since I'm not in the mood. I decide to go for it. During a RCG I said "You could smile you know. customers like that." All of a sudden she gets this giant smile. We both laughed and she proceded to give me one of the best sessions ever! Tossed salad and all! Later we talked and teased. I will be seeing her again.

She needed to see that I was a strong guy and firm in my stance. At the same time I wasn't mean or nasty.

Being polite yet firm in bad situations always works. Some girls responed positively and others don't. The bad ones I always let the mamasan know in a nice way that I was not happy. Mamasan knows where the money comes from.

[QUOTE=Horny Massage2]Had some free time and took a trip down Archer and stopped at Ruby spa. Naturally aksed for a half hour (I usually never need a full hour of 'massage' unless its therapeutic). None of the cute younger ladies were present. The place was empty. There were 4 women sitting on the couch. The one who went behind the counter and took my fee called for Judy to get up. I looked at her as she approached, and I also looked the other too on the couch, and then went along. I looked because if Judy was not to my liking, I would have asked for one of the other women. I was a bit surprise the one behind the counter actually called for one of them. With 4 present, I wondered why she did not ask me who I wanted?

Anyway, Judy and I go back for a halfway decent massage. On the flip, I'm thinking off with the top and lets get to work. She has other ideas. 1st she plays with the package as I rub her back side and hips. Now that I'm awake, she asks for a 60 tip. I said what. Maybe. 25 or $30 depending on how good the finish is. She get angry and says 60. I say no 25 or 30. Then I remind her I can go to Chinatown and get the finish for 20-30. Now she has this ugly look on her face and doesn't know what to do. She tries to tell me that 60 is normal. I of course disagree with her. So I said are you going to finish the massage or not. Her. How much? Me. 30. I remind her I can do this myself and keep the 30 for me! Her. Ok, no touch. She moves my hand away (from her hips). I'm like WTF. I asked her if she is going to smile, and she flashes me a fake smile. I told her to forget it. I start to get dressed and she leaves to room.

I go out and she is talking crap with the other 3. She has the nerve to ask for a tip in front of them. I smile and reply no, you did not finish the massage. I tought of having one of the others sitting there go back with me and EARN a tip. Then she starts in about me going to Chinatown.

She is mad while I am totally calm and relaxed. I look at the other 3 and ask the pretty one her name. She tells me her name and I tell her next time I will choose her because she looks happy and is smiling. I like it if you smile and can make the massage nice. I tell them the other girl, Judy, (and I point to her) is not happy and does not smile.and that is why I am leaving. FYI. I am being totally professional and polite during this whole conversation. I thank them for their time, and I reminded the pretty one I will see her next time. She smiled again as did I. I left. Called and got better service elsewhere.

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My points:

Stand your ground and use the big head and common sense.

(I tried to talk to her first, and make her realize we can do a finish at home)

Smile at your customers, and be nice, not rude.

* A tip is for services rendered (not upfront before a serivce)

* Smile and be nice (seems appropriate to repeat this one)

* Told her the same can be had just down the street at a lower rate

* Do not give your customer a hard time

* Be polite and professional (shows you are not being a jerk and leaves the door open for a future visit) Because the other one was definitely pretty (IMHO)

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What a great review: Plus Your points of view

I was out running around yesterday. Stoped by Ruby's no Judy no Sherry

Place was Empty. Stop by 2 other places on Wentworth both Empty. City Spa 31st looked to be empty. Health Accupunture Empty. China Spa locked down closed. WTF

Just TOFTT they are not Mercy but in the same building. I did not get hassled by the doorman (bad sign) but she left me undraped for the whole session (good sgn) During massage she (JENI) pretty much avoid sensitive areas, but on the flip, I brushed her ass and she was receptive. She was clear that there is no FS and her clothes stay on. Decent massage, out the door with HJ for same rates as Mercy.

Jeni was very hot and I would give her a 9-10 on her looks (not the AMP scale, but just about anyone's scale) Extremely hard body, there was no flab or fat anywhere. She must do a very hard workout daily, because a body like hers doesn't happen on it's own. Worth the visit for HJ and a much nicer setup than Mercy.

The add also advertises "Kiki"

Just wet to the place on the block north of Irving on Pulaski. I had been there and had pretty good service from (name forgotten). This time I drew a cute young girl with reasonable Engrish named (?) Theresa. Well. I kind of knew from the beginning that this would not be good. She did the ol' run the fingers lightly around with little or no teasing. After what seemed like a pretty short time, I get the flip signal. She asks, "you want? " combined with up and down hand motions. After seeing that I did indeed want, she holds up 6 fingers?! Really? Especially after the non-existent massage? I probably should have know it wouldn't be great and cut my losses down to the $40 door fee for hhr. But no, instead I firmly put up 4 fingers. Took some convincing but she went for it. And gave one of the worst HE attempt I can remember. Since I had already negotiated, I didn't feel like I could get up and walk at that point so I helped her out. Doing most of the work myself.

All in all very frustrating. I should have followed my instincts and split. Or just aborted the whole thing and gone to KM!

Cheers

[QUOTE=Smith1490]Went to Beijing and thought I'd check it out for myself and give a report after mixed reviews.

I pulled Angela for my hour at. 6 w/ and extra $10 for tableshower which I passed on. Massage was very so so. Maybe a 5 though I thought I would still be in for a good time. Low cut top, short skirt, and looking good for action.

Got undressed right in front of her with no issue and the towel was off while on my stomach. A little light roaming while face down but didn't push it too hard.

On the flip the dreaded towell was on and she replaced it twice. I asked about her talking good care of me and she said that any of the girls there would take good care of me and to not worry if she was working. That was when I was pretty sure it was game over.

Sure enought massage finished with no tease or hint. No last minute chance with that "anything else? " we all like. If you want a good massage or extras stay clear of Angela.

If anyone else has info or her or Lisa or Linda I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Good report, sounds like the same girl that I saw all the time when the shop open up. In the begging she was sweat, treated you like a boy friend in need of some TLC and she dilvery with FS.

Near the end she got rail thin and additute to fit! But what I have learn is this,

Don't ask don't tell, Just stick the hard on up and tell her she is dam qute and would love some TLC.

Herd a guy walk in once asking if the massage is with his underwear on? She said yes, I think if you don't know what you want she is not going to make it easy for you to get some.

If your feeling her up and she does not push away keep going! I learn not to ask just go for it, if she wants you to stop she will make it hard for you, If she is in the mood to get some she will present it in such a way that you can't miss,

She started to get me going by massaging from between my legs, just spread me wide from the back side and expose everything, Flip and it does not take much to move the thong to the side and she does all the work,

Also be carefull on how you tip, not much and your not making it interesting for you she might ask you not to come back,

She always tells you "Can't wait to see you next time" All BS but I just walk in as the guy was leaving and she did not say a word, she later told me cheap guy, smell bad, no good!

And like the other reports on here be nice, and polite, you never know what type of day she had so you don't know what type of mood she is in or that time of month,

I have fond memorys and going there and plan on leaveing it as that, learn a lot since I started and glad I stop before it got to expense,

Oh, and of course she loves to be ask out! I have been a few times with her and it was very nice, you pay just like a date and I will leave it up to you what she will say yes to but it took a lot of visits and conversations to find out what she loves beside a good F_ck!

Hope this is helpful.

[QUOTE=Henrysmall]Just wet to the place on the block north of Irving on Pulaski. I had been there and had pretty good service from (name forgotten). This time I drew a cute young girl with reasonable Engrish named (?) Theresa. Well. I kind of knew from the beginning that this would not be good. She did the ol' run the fingers lightly around with little or no teasing. After what seemed like a pretty short time, I get the flip signal. She asks, "you want? " combined with up and down hand motions. After seeing that I did indeed want, she holds up 6 fingers?! Really? Especially after the non-existent massage? I probably should have know it wouldn't be great and cut my losses down to the $40 door fee for hhr. But no, instead I firmly put up 4 fingers. Took some convincing but she went for it. And gave one of the worst HE attempt I can remember. Since I had already negotiated, I didn't feel like I could get up and walk at that point so I helped her out. Doing most of the work myself.

All in all very frustrating. I should have followed my instincts and split. Or just aborted the whole thing and gone to KM!

Cheers[/QUOTE]What, there is some three or four places from the corner, and you can get what ever your taste wants,

I have been to said place and thought the place was a little dumpy and the grils just about climb on you to get you going, Was not what I was looking for but for a quick fix you can't miss, haven't done the latin place and my ATF I quit seeing, got to friendly,

Better luck next time, sorry for your pain.

All of this reminiscing about the golden era of spas in the suburbs got me thinking about the Pine Tree spa in Frankfort.

Does anyone remember this place at all? Got any good stories to tell?

[QUOTE=Horny Massage2]Had some free time and took a trip down Archer and stopped at Ruby spa. Naturally aksed for a half hour (I usually never need a full hour of 'massage' unless its therapeutic). None of the cute younger ladies were present. The place was empty. There were 4 women sitting on the couch. The one who went behind the counter and took my fee called for Judy to get up. I looked at her as she approached, and I also looked the other too on the couch, and then went along. I looked because if Judy was not to my liking, I would have asked for one of the other women. I was a bit surprise the one behind the counter actually called for one of them. With 4 present, I wondered why she did not ask me who I wanted?

Anyway, Judy and I go back for a halfway decent massage. On the flip, I'm thinking off with the top and lets get to work. She has other ideas. 1st she plays with the package as I rub her back side and hips. Now that I'm awake, she asks for a 60 tip. I said what. Maybe. 25 or $30 depending on how good the finish is. She get angry and says 60. I say no 25 or 30. Then I remind her I can go to Chinatown and get the finish for 20-30. Now she has this ugly look on her face and doesn't know what to do. She tries to tell me that 60 is normal. I of course disagree with her. So I said are you going to finish the massage or not. Her. How much? Me. 30. I remind her I can do this myself and keep the 30 for me! Her. Ok, no touch. She moves my hand away (from her hips). I'm like WTF. I asked her if she is going to smile, and she flashes me a fake smile. I told her to forget it. I start to get dressed and she leaves to room.

I go out and she is talking crap with the other 3. She has the nerve to ask for a tip in front of them. I smile and reply no, you did not finish the massage. I tought of having one of the others sitting there go back with me and EARN a tip. Then she starts in about me going to Chinatown.

She is mad while I am totally calm and relaxed. I look at the other 3 and ask the pretty one her name. She tells me her name and I tell her next time I will choose her because she looks happy and is smiling. I like it if you smile and can make the massage nice. I tell them the other girl, Judy, (and I point to her) is not happy and does not smile.and that is why I am leaving. FYI. I am being totally professional and polite during this whole conversation. I thank them for their time, and I reminded the pretty one I will see her next time. She smiled again as did I. I left. Called and got better service elsewhere.

My points:

Stand your ground and use the big head and common sense.

(I tried to talk to her first, and make her realize we can do a finish at home)

Smile at your customers, and be nice, not rude.

* A tip is for services rendered (not upfront before a serivce)

* Smile and be nice (seems appropriate to repeat this one)

* Told her the same can be had just down the street at a lower rate

* Do not give your customer a hard time

* Be polite and professional (shows you are not being a jerk and leaves the door open for a future visit) Because the other one was definitely pretty (IMHO)

As with all of these places YMMV.

Stay safe and horny, HM2[/QUOTE]Hey, I can admire you to sticking to your guns but you never countered with what is normal and that is. 4

I just don't understand leaving for somewhere else, wasting all of that time, and paying two door fees. To each their own though.

[QUOTE=Silvio]OK so kudos to Horny2Massage. I had a similar experience and would have to say stand your ground a tip appropriately.

Copper Tan

Based on previously reviews I opted to Copper to see Anna. Took the hour with TS at the end since I had already showered prior to my visit. If this is the same Anna from Alice's Greektown what a disappointemnt. This Anna has long curly hair and a great natural see rack early to mid 40's. So the massage was pretty legit with some brushing of the boys and contact with little Sil. I figured all systems are go to the finish. Well that didn't happen. Towards the end on the flip she basically wanted me to self enduce. So I applied her hands to the most neglected area and she said "no trouble" "no trouble". So I said "theres no trouble from me" so as a anti LE move I proceeded to pull her top down and tasted the mameries and she didn't resist but she did still resist the HE when I assist her to that area. WTF! She then told me lets go to the Table SHower. SO I'm thinking OK theres where the HE will take place. Well that didn't progress either so I left with blue balls. I left a $5 tip for her for the taste test.[/QUOTE]Bringing back memories. I remember when Angel left Greektown and Anna came in. I happened to get her twice in her first week. She would start with no trouble but I ended up getting her to BBBJ cim. After she worked there for about 2 weeks, she totally changed her tune. They seem to earn their stripes quickly and learn from their mistakes. It's too bad to here how she turned out now, some people would never believe what she used to do in Greektown.

[QUOTE=Silvio]OK so kudos to Horny2Massage. I had a similar experience and would have to say stand your ground a tip appropriately.

Copper Tan

Based on previously reviews I opted to Copper to see Anna. Took the hour with TS at the end since I had already showered prior to my visit. If this is the same Anna from Alice's Greektown what a disappointemnt. This Anna has long curly hair and a great natural c rack early to mid 40's. So the massage was pretty legit with some brushing of the boys and contact with lil Sil. I figured all systems are go to the finish. Well that didnt happen. Towards the end on the flip she basically wanted me to self enduce. So I applied her hands to the most neglected area and she said "no trouble" "no trouble". So I said "theres no trouble from me" so as a anti LE move I proceeded to pull her top down and tasted the mameries and she didnt resist but she did still resist the HE when I assist her to that area....WTF!! She then told me lets go to the Table SHower. SO I'm thinking OK theres where the HE will take place. Well that didnt progress either so I left with blue balls. I left a $5 tip for her for the taste test.[/QUOTE]My guess is that she got busted. I can say for sure that the new owners of this place are not interested in our business. L and J used to work for another legit spa, and are both excellent masseuses. I would highly recommend this place for a good therapeutic massage, they use their knees and feet quite a bit and really know what they are doing. They also don't mind uncovered while on your stomach and are not shy about the glutes. That, plus the in-room shower/sauna make this IMHO by far the best legit massage in town. They will bring an extra table into one of the shower rooms for a couple massage too, which is awesome if you have someone willing. They can also do nails, waxing, facials, etc. But, I guarantee anything else that happens here is behind their back. The earlier report on J even allowing self service really surprised me, actually, but I know they need the business so I'm guessing she made an exception. PM if any questions.

I hate to give this hidden gem up, but I owe the forum. Victoria here is well worth your visit. Gorgeous eastern european with a great backside. The best part. Real massage, her deep tissue hurt me. On the flip, was very slow, sensual, let me reach underneath top and bottom. Enjoy, I haven't failed anyone here yet.

I concur. I was regular with Anna when she was at Alice in GT, and she's definitely more cautious at Copper. I've seen her 2x at Copper and both times have not gotten the level of service I was used to at Alice. Last time I was there she told me her boss is not too nice, and pointed out a younger, decent-looking girl who passed by and gave me the stink-eye. She also sent out a text a few weeks back claiming she was leaving Copper shortly after starting, which leads me to think she got busted by her boss for providing Alice-style services there. She obviously didn't leave, but as a result is quite wary.

Still, her massage skills have improved significantly, and she can back-walk now. And while a butterface, her tits are fantastic. I figure once her comfort level returns, and maybe if you go very late, you might be able to get what you need. In the meantime, still can get a good massage from her with a nice finish (well, maybe not at first if you're new to her, but I'd give her another try).

[QUOTE=Chi City]My guess is that she got busted. I can say for sure that the new owners of this place are not interested in our business. L and J used to work for another legit spa, and are both excellent masseuses. I would highly recommend this place for a good therapeutic massage, they use their knees and feet quite a bit and really know what they are doing. They also don't mind uncovered while on your stomach and are not shy about the glutes. That, plus the in-room shower/sauna make this IMHO by far the best legit massage in town. They will bring an extra table into one of the shower rooms for a couple massage too, which is awesome if you have someone willing. They can also do nails, waxing, facials, etc. But, I guarantee anything else that happens here is behind their back. The earlier report on J even allowing self service really surprised me, actually, but I know they need the business so I'm guessing she made an exception. PM if any questions.[/QUOTE]