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[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5779095]I don't understand why its so hard for you to fuck a civvie girl cip? Do you ever go out? I go out from Thursday-Sunday to bars. [/QUOTE]*Sober Civie girls. I do, but not to get drunk or with the decision to 'loosen up'. Don't be so pretentious. I don't drink because I physiologically cannot. I've already mentioned it, getting 'loosened up with liquid courage' is not for me. Glad it works for you (that's also where you do get Civie CIP, yes), but it doesn't work for everyone. Stop humblebragging. This is the wrong place.

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy] I swear it works. Maybe it only works when your in 20's? I'm still in my late 20's so it might be a different crowd. [/QUOTE]This is an older crowd. And for the record, I'm probably your same age demographic (31) unless your like 26 'late twenties' LOL.

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy] You can literally take the bartender home. Or just throw a house party. If your the host you will get laid. Or make a photographer page on Instagram and get random young want to be models to take photos for and some of them will get horny and fuck. That's how I met my gf lmao! So many want to be avian IG models out there. Just tell them your a photographer and show them your IG Page. Or go to EDC and fuck them all. They are waiting for you to fuck them.[/QUOTE]There you go. I'm not a party guy, who's a 'photographer on IG' artsy guy, and drinks. I'm glad you can pay for the drinks and 'play them right'. Good for you. Why do you think even a forum like this exists? Because even in this business, there's bullshit to weave through.

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5779095]I don't understand why its so hard for you to fuck a civvie girl cip? Do you ever go out? I go out from Thursday-Sunday to bars. Well not so much anymore. You can literally take the bartender home. Or just throw a house party. If your the host you will get laid. Or make a photographer page on Instagram and get random young want to be models to take photos for and some of them will get horny and fuck. That's how I met my gf lmao! So many want to be avian IG models out there. . Just tell them your a photographer and show them your IG Page. Or go to EDC and fuck them all. They are waiting for you to fuck them. You don't need to be rich or super hot model. You just need to know how to play the game right. One time I fucked my uber driver. She picked me up from LAX and she told me she was from Inglewood. She was a black girl with tattoos all over her body and some on her face. We talked about music and we added each other on IG. Then couple days later I hit her up to give me a ride to the airport and I fucked her in the car. I really think she was a hooker. I can tell but I didn't pay for her pussy. I did pay $35 for the ride. Ill give you a tip. Just whisper a sexy moaning sound in there ears. They will get turned on. I do this many times it works. The air from your mouth will hit the girls ears and they will feel chills and make there hair stand up and then they will get horny. I swear it works. Maybe it only works when your in 20's? I'm still in my late 20's so it might be a different crowd.[/QUOTE]Fucking a civvie is only easy if she is fugly or if you look like Brad Pitt. I don't look like Brad Pitt.

[QUOTE=StopTheMonger;5779778]*Sober Civie girls. I do, but not to get drunk or with the decision to 'loosen up'. Don't be so pretentious. I don't drink because I physiologically cannot. I've already mentioned it, getting 'loosened up with liquid courage' is not for me. Glad it works for you (that's also where you do get Civie CIP, yes), but it doesn't work for everyone. Stop humblebragging. This is the wrong place.

This is an older crowd. And for the record, I'm probably your same age demographic (31) unless your like 26 'late twenties' LOL.

There you go. I'm not a party guy, who's a 'photographer on IG' artsy guy, and drinks. I'm glad you can pay for the drinks and 'play them right'. Good for you. Why do you think even a forum like this exists? Because even in this business, there's bullshit to weave through.[/QUOTE]I guess anyone who thinks that blowing air into any girl's ear is the way to get laid he probably hyperventilates before his dick can get hard. 20,25, 30 it's all hot air.

[QUOTE=LandOfKGirls;5779640]The sex trade attracts people of all types, including bad actors. It's horrible when something bad happens to any fellow human being and be thankful the bookers generally screen very thoroughly or this would happen more often and likely scare girls away from this job.[/QUOTE]I don't know how many of you remember Sally in WLA who a number of years ago got held up at gunpoint by a supposed customer who then let his accomplice in once he got into the apartment. She was very popular and had all the $$$ from a hard days work as well as having her computer and phone stolen. Scared the living shit out of her and she moved from WLA to MW. This is why some bookers are super diligent and if it pisses the customer off then so be it.

[QUOTE=LandOfKGirls;5779509]It's easier to make an appointment, pay the fee, do the deed and the drive home.

Yeah, I could pick up girls in bars but it's too much work. When I go out it's with a group to party and not as a lone guy trolling to get laid.[/QUOTE]And to paraphrase the classic retort of Charlie Sheen "You don't pay hookers for sex; you pay them to leave after sex. ".

LOL. I think that's absolutely true for celebrities. But it is absolutely not true for us regular citizens. Were paying them for sex. They are willing to leave asap for free.

[QUOTE=Veni1;5779911]And to paraphrase the classic retort of Charlie Sheen "You don't pay hookers for sex; you pay them to leave after sex. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobLove;5779857]Fucking a civvie is only easy if she is fugly or if you look like Brad Pitt. I don't look like Brad Pitt.[/QUOTE]What in the world are you guys talking about? I'm really confused. Am I seriously living in another planet? Its not hard at all. I'm really sitting here reading your guys post and I'm shocked why you guys are so shocked that I am able to fuck and cip civvie girls. I'm nothing special but its not hard. Its human nature. Am I seriously missing something here? You can literally go to a club on Latin nights the girls will dance and rub there ass up against you. Sometimes they would put there hand in my pocket feel my cock and if its hard they would give me this "fuck me" look. I'm not a model. I'm just a normal guy. You can find fuck buddys and keep them on your side its not hard at all lmao!! Yes it might take some time and bullshit but all I'm saying its not hard as you think. Also I'm not trying to put anyone down. I'm seriously just trying to explain myself because I never heard a man say "fucking a civvie is easy unless she's ugly" or "its easier if they are fat" what the hell?.

M told me about another "new" girl this week that goes by Rose with her. It's another classic multiple named girl who has fake / photo shopped pictures. Maybe she's new or someone esle recognizes her pictures. She's unlisted at M for some reason but listed at Candygirls as Riah. Just throwing it out there to see if someone has seen her as another name in the past. The only picture that looks quasi believable is the tit pic.

[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/%EB%A6%AC%EC%95%842[/URL]

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5779112]Why would you even do a horrible thing like that? [/QUOTE]I think it's because they are easy targets for people looking to rob someone. I mean, look at it this way. They can't exactly go and report it to the police for various reasons. They can't speak English fluently. They don't know a lot of people who could even help them if they wanted to.

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5779095]I don't understand why its so hard for you to fuck a civvie girl cip? Do you ever go out? I go out from Thursday-Sunday to bars. Well not so much anymore. You can literally take the bartender home. Or just throw a house party. If your the host you will get laid. Or make a photographer page on Instagram and get random young want to be models to take photos for and some of them will get horny and fuck. That's how I met my gf lmao! So many want to be avian IG models out there. . Just tell them your a photographer and show them your IG Page. Or go to EDC and fuck them all. They are waiting for you to fuck them. You don't need to be rich or super hot model. You just need to know how to play the game right. One time I fucked my uber driver. She picked me up from LAX and she told me she was from Inglewood. She was a black girl with tattoos all over her body and some on her face. We talked about music and we added each other on IG. Then couple days later I hit her up to give me a ride to the airport and I fucked her in the car. I really think she was a hooker. I can tell but I didn't pay for her pussy. I did pay $35 for the ride. Ill give you a tip. Just whisper a sexy moaning sound in there ears. They will get turned on. I do this many times it works. The air from your mouth will hit the girls ears and they will feel chills and make there hair stand up and then they will get horny. I swear it works. Maybe it only works when your in 20's? I'm still in my late 20's so it might be a different crowd.[/QUOTE]Yup its the lifestyle when you are in your 20's. When you have time to actually "fuck" around.

When you get into 30's or 40's, at least for me, work (business) tend to be the main focus, when you can just pay for hotties for sex without spending effort, it just make sense. It was great from 2005-2019, there is always good Kgirl talents with hot bodies and / or pretty faces with excellent service for $250 such bargain compare to now.

Its not tough to find a civvie girl, but some of the trade off might not be worth it. How many Civvie actually do have "great" bodies, that you can CIP without have the worry that couple years later a kid shows up on your door and call you dad? Or even just needless drama that has a chance of happening, that everyone in your life circle would know about. Everyone know you hook up and psycho chic is hounding you at your workplace or stalking outside your home. Maybe extreme, but happens.

Its not tough, for some its just not worth the trouble spending the effort if you can just paid to skip. If you can have the option to go to a restaurant, why bother with hunting your own dinner. Sport maybe?.

For the ones who have sampled Daisy, there was a report she's one of those that just sticks her tongue out. I find this really annoying and prefer regular kissing to that weird habit.

Did you guys find this to be the case with her or did she learn how to kiss after some training?

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5780063]What in the world are you guys talking about? I'm really confused. Am I seriously living in another planet? Its not hard at all. I'm really sitting here reading your guys post and I'm shocked why you guys are so shocked that I am able to fuck and cip civvie girls. I'm nothing special but its not hard. Its human nature. Am I seriously missing something here? You can literally go to a club on Latin nights the girls will dance and rub there ass up against you. Sometimes they would put there hand in my pocket feel my cock and if its hard they would give me this "fuck me" look. I'm not a model. I'm just a normal guy. You can find fuck buddys and keep them on your side its not hard at all lmao!! Yes it might take some time and bullshit but all I'm saying its not hard as you think. Also I'm not trying to put anyone down. I'm seriously just trying to explain myself because I never heard a man say "fucking a civvie is easy unless she's ugly" or "its easier if they are fat" what the hell?.[/QUOTE]Maybe you and me have different standards, but I wouldn't be wasting money on this hobby if I could creampie girls like Ring for free.

I certainly know that a girl like Ring would not give me the time of day in real life.

Sure I could get CIP a girl like Rosie O Donnel for free, but that's a hard pass for me.

[QUOTE=TheAbc;5780069]M told me about another "new" girl this week that goes by Rose with her. It's another classic multiple named girl who has fake / photo shopped pictures. Maybe she's new or someone esle recognizes her pictures. She's unlisted at M for some reason but listed at Candygirls as Riah. Just throwing it out there to see if someone has seen her as another name in the past. The only picture that looks quasi believable is the tit pic.

[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/%EB%A6%AC%EC%95%842[/URL][/QUOTE]Reverse search it and you'll see it ends up coming from many best tit list pages. Sad face. Got a PM that it might suspiciously be Dream/Mini rebranded again. Waiting to hear why he believes that is who she might be.

There are 2 more rebrands at CG / Gray that I'll tell ya about after I confirm myself for you all.

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;5780223]Reverse search it and you'll see it ends up coming from many best tit list pages. Sad face. Got a PM that it might suspiciously be Dream/Mini rebranded again. Waiting to hear why he believes that is who she might be.

There are 2 more rebrands at CG / Gray that I'll tell ya about after I confirm myself for you all.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. The pictures have that stolen from Aliexpress vibe to them. That and she uses the same pictures across different bookers set off red flags for me. I used to trust M but her place doesn't offer anything different anymore. If you can book at one place, you can book at another since it's the same damn girl. Anything wrong with Mini / Dream that I should know about?

[QUOTE=WhyOhWhy;5780063]What in the world are you guys talking about? I'm really confused. Am I seriously living in another planet? Its not hard at all. I'm really sitting here reading your guys post and I'm shocked why you guys are so shocked that I am able to fuck and cip civvie girls. I'm nothing special but its not hard. Its human nature. Am I seriously missing something here? You can literally go to a club on Latin nights the girls will dance and rub there ass up against you. Sometimes they would put there hand in my pocket feel my cock and if its hard they would give me this "fuck me" look. I'm not a model. I'm just a normal guy. You can find fuck buddys and keep them on your side its not hard at all lmao!! Yes it might take some time and bullshit but all I'm saying its not hard as you think. Also I'm not trying to put anyone down. I'm seriously just trying to explain myself because I never heard a man say "fucking a civvie is easy unless she's ugly" or "its easier if they are fat" what the hell?.[/QUOTE]No one is saying it can't be done but certainly not with just blowing some air in her ear. If that was the magic formula then why would any of us be here and that includes all of us. I don't want to blow in someone's ear and depend on that getting me laid. Nor do I want to wait for some desperate civvie to grab my cock in a club. If we had to wait for that none of us would be fucking with the frequency that we get by seeing providers. No muss. No fuss. No time wasted on seduction. In the door. Off with the clothes and get your dick sucked before you can blink. Try some hot air in an ear to get that kind of service.