Non Pro's

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6452735]The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.[/QUOTE]Probably have to be extra strict on filtering, or if you want to run the risk of losing some, skip the meet and' greets, chat at your / their place first, or schedule the greets almost immediately and near-term after a brief interaction to see how they react. Most of the women make it obvious if they want to do this or not with a few blunt questions.

Basically don't give them much of a chance to change their mind, and if they do, the amount of validation they get is minimal and less of your time is wasted. Then again I kind of treat it like I'm giving them a job interview until we meet face to face when it's much more chill. Funny enough, while I have zero tolerance for games, everyone always say I'm very nice and easygoing when we meet -- just annoying how much work it can take to get to that point.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6452735]The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.[/QUOTE]I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6452790]I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.[/QUOTE]Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6452806]Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.[/QUOTE]I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6452835]I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.[/QUOTE]Same for me as well with my minimal experience. There's just little to think about when booking a pro, but anyone on seeking takes some finesse to get to that point much akin to dating.

One thing I've been dealing with lately is reflecting on what kind of relationship I'd want or how to balance liking a non-pro without getting overly attached. The transactional nature of things and me not wanting any commitment makes it so I don't think I ever will, but it's definitely more difficult to distance yourself versus pros. There's just a lot more intangibles to enjoy in addition to the usual, especially if you pick ones that are sincere and genuine (or who are good at acting as much).

Kay.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/86826e85-477b-4e89-bcbd-ad9053658db4[/URL]

Best sex I have ever had on the site but she is picky as hell. She likes boats so if you have a boat that will help. We ended up doing $500 per meet. Again best sex I have ever had on here's but then she ghosted.

[QUOTE=MaCross19;6447553]It is actually the opposite. The fat one requires condoms. But I don't want to pay $800 for one hot girl.[/QUOTE]And I'd use a condom if I were you with the hot one as well. I had seen her like a year back (I think I had posted a report saying she gave a very pro vibe), and then recently a couple of months ago. During the recent one, we got talking and it seems she basically likes getting hammered and carelessly fuck anyone and everyone. She was telling stories about getting taken advantage of and getting stds like it was nothing. I never bring protection into the conversation, if it ever does I have my reports ready. This time I had a condom in my hand in no time.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6452806]Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shoutout, its nice to see that ones contributions are appreciated.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6452439]I'm with some of the others on here and agree that being direct and fairly explicit, but respectful is best. I just don't have the patience to beat around the bush (heh). You might miss out on some that you could grind out and work with, but I don't mind that if it means weeding out a majority of time wasters, scammers, or those looking for something serious, one or two messages in or sooner..[/QUOTE]To me that has worked well. I can go several times so I make sure that the expectation of multiples is there. Many do not reply when I reach but when they do, there is no doubt that fucking several times is the expectation, if we match and reach and agreement, etc. I also mention that I am looking for something consistent, and its true, its hard for me to find somebody that can keep up, when that happens I want to keep seeing them. They definitely like the idea that is not just a hook up.

It also helps I think with the hesitant newbies as they get a bit overwhelmed by the directness and do not engage with me. I have not met many newbies, and the couple that I did were absolute gems.

Also at some point once we are on text, I initiate sexting, if I can not openly chat about how we are going to fuck, then the probability of that actually happen is going to be low, I rather know in advance and not waste my time on a M&G. Its also a good way to figure what they are comfortable doing. I never directly ask about BB or Anal, I just describe it on the things we could do and let them respond to that, if they say, that sounds great, then you are good to go

Being direct while respectful works well. My closing percentage on the first M&G is around 90%, because by that point its pretty obvious what we both want, but I always give them the option to back down as pressuring them would end up on a poor experience.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8018baf8-01d2-4f34-84b3-4d5ce4e1193c[/URL]

Can host for $400, but don't have any other info. Apparently she's been reported here before a couple years back but no information was given other than through DMs. She's one among many I messaged but not interested after looking at her pics again.

[QUOTE=MaCross19;6453151]Kay.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/86826e85-477b-4e89-bcbd-ad9053658db4[/URL]

Best sex I have ever had on the site but she is picky as hell. She likes boats so if you have a boat that will help. We ended up doing $500 per meet. Again best sex I have ever had on here's but then she ghosted.[/QUOTE]Her pictures look great, but damn, you can tell she's high maintenance in that bio. I actually had her hidden, but I'm sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind even a one and done if they get the same experience at that rate. Can she host at all?

Anyone else notice if they have a shitload of items on their wishlist, it's almost always a red flag, LOL.

[QUOTE=DelToro;6453281]Thanks for the shoutout, its nice to see that ones contributions are appreciated.

It also helps I think with the hesitant newbies as they get a bit overwhelmed by the directness and do not engage with me. I have not met many newbies, and the couple that I did were absolute gems.

Also at some point once we are on text, I initiate sexting, if I can not openly chat about how we are going to fuck, then the probability of that actually happen is going to be low, I rather know in advance and not waste my time on a M&G. Its also a good way to figure what they are comfortable doing. I never directly ask about BB or Anal, I just describe it on the things we could do and let them respond to that, if they say, that sounds great, then you are good to go

Being direct while respectful works well. My closing percentage on the first M&G is around 90%, because by that point its pretty obvious what we both want, but I always give them the option to back down as pressuring them would end up on a poor experience.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't mind meeting a newbie, though I can tell it's definitely going to be rare. I like the fact that it's generally clearcut if they get overwhelmed at least as it makes passing or continuing the process easier. If there's any doubt whatsoever in their responses, it's almost always not going to continue from there.

I'm probably a bit more reserved on sexting unless they start it themselves, but I don't blame you for initiating it as a means to see how they respond or if they have certain boundaries. I'd probably just straight up ask them the latter, LOL, but then again I'm not looking for anything too specific. Yet.

Also agree that M&G should basically be a formality as long as you aren't a creep and filtered well by that point. I'm also of the same idea that if they don't enjoy the experience, I won't either, so I make sure to emphasize that.

Kay can host but she prefers not to, and definitely wouldn't the first time you hook up with her.

[QUOTE=MaCross19;6453574]Kay can host but she prefers not to, and definitely wouldn't the first time you hook up with her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I'm too lazy to work through that, especially since the one I'm seeing now is similar in looks, location, and rate but so much more easygoing all around. That, and I don't have a boat, LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/46aa98a9-926b-47a2-8e60-e811506a9276[/URL]

Time waster / newbie who expected free money.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43aeb71e-46ad-403a-9496-eef1e9284477[/URL]

Time waster / newbie. Somehow just ignored everything in my first message and wanted me to explain terms. That or high, was weird.

This one gave me a real good story

Brown eyes

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ee925837-099b-45dc-9863-fa1fbebea1a7[/URL]

Once she realized I wasn't falling for it the communication stopped and she blocked me. Then today I see a new profile for her. It's interesting the level of BS theses ladies can come up with LOL.

This one seemed ready and was pushing for a quick meetup.

Boldandblunt

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4997258f-fdfe-4580-adb7-5c29fc3831b0[/URL]

Every time I tried setting something up there was a lame excuse. Today it was her mom had a heart attack. But she was still active on seeking.

These ladies are just looking for something for nothing.

Guys for your contributions to be truly effective in the longer term people should be able to find them. If people are looking for info on a particular profile in SA, if you post the username and your contribution is relevant it would be returned.

[QUOTE=DelToro;6453742]Guys for your contributions to be truly effective in the longer term people should be able to find them. If people are looking for info on a particular profile in SA, if you post the username and your contribution is relevant it would be returned.[/QUOTE]Edited my post to include usernames.

I've actually already blocked the bottom two in my previous report, so can't check the names anymore. Should be Lealeone and Khloebaby or something. If anyone wants to correct me, feel free.

Reminder for others that it's easy for people to change their usernames. I don't know how some people add emojis to it, seeking doesn't let me add special characters, and I've seen hearts in people's usernames.

I sometimes do wildcard keyword searches here by typing the last random digits of the seeking profile URL, I. E. *fa1fbebea1a7* and it should pop up if someone's mentioned it in a previous report.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/73bd58c7-9771-47eb-9c9e-0821f52fc6a4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Irwin18;6455041][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/73bd58c7-9771-47eb-9c9e-0821f52fc6a4[/URL][/QUOTE]Any one who list Washington Washington as a location, I just skip.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6453698][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/46aa98a9-926b-47a2-8e60-e811506a9276[/URL]

Time waster / newbie who expected free money.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43aeb71e-46ad-403a-9496-eef1e9284477[/URL]

Time waster / newbie. Somehow just ignored everything in my first message and wanted me to explain terms. That or high, was weird.[/QUOTE]I can tell you the first is not a newbie (and definitely not my type), just a head case. Another member here went on a date with her and even agreed on terms before she changed her mind and started demanding money for every single meet. I'm guessing at this point she learned to put those demands up front and saved you a headache. Personally, those pics she posts would be a huge red flag.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6456189]I can tell you the first is not a newbie (and definitely not my type), just a head case. Another member here went on a date with her and even agreed on terms before she changed her mind and started demanding money for every single meet. I'm guessing at this point she learned to put those demands up front and saved you a headache. Personally, those pics she posts would be a huge red flag.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was probably being nice labeling her as such. Basically went through my series of questions, acted fine at first, then suddenly felt offended for hinting at anything physical for a ppm. Bear in mind my bio, intro message, and first few texts makes things really obvious.

I think I was less annoyed with the scammer who asked me for gas money late in the process than I did with her. Would've ditched her way sooner if she wasn't one of the few non-Seattle types I was chatting with at the time. Glad we didn't meet though.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6452312]Avoid this one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/22f59b2f-762a-4815-8096-f96f038609c1[/URL]

Seen her once a few months ago. I wasn't going to see her again because it was just an ok time.

She reached out last week wanting to see me again. I figured what the heck maybe it would be better this time since we had been together once. Communication was great all week. A hour before she texted me saying how excited she was. I was going to her apartment BTW. About 10 minutes I let her know I was almost there. Parked texted I was there. Started walking to here place and was approached by a guy asking what I was doing here. I said I was visiting a friend. He said no I wasn't and should leave. So I did. I sent her a few more text but never heard anything back.

Be warned[/QUOTE]I have seen her maybe 1. 5 years ago. At the time she went by another screenname. At the time she did not advertise as "Open Relationship" but rather as "Married but looking" if I am not mistaken. I usually do a couple drinks before fucking and it was no different with her we drank a little, smoked and chatted. We fucked like bunnies and I was on my merry way. We fucked a few times and then I moved on. Not for any particular reason, she was fun and always on time and did whatever I wanted to bed. I just loose interest after a few times, the whole thing about this hobby (for me) is the variety. I am not surprised seeing Micheals experience with her, she was great but you knew there a was a lot below the surface.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6452400]DJ Sybian, I met around April or May of last year. She came to my place a few times for $400 each. We hit it off, but there are a million red flags.

1. After we had sex, she said she'd be raped 3 weeks earlier. Claimed that she was doing Instacart and someone drugged her while she was shopping, took her out of the store. She woke up naked in the back of pick up truck with some guy stripping her car. According to her, the police showed up, told her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. The story is so unbelievable that I was skeptical. I believe she was raped, but I couldn't imagine any cop in Washington State encountering a naked woman claiming she was raped and telling her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. I believe it has something to do with the other things she told me.[/QUOTE]I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.

[QUOTE=RaisingCain;6457001]I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised the topic of safety hasn't come up if you're interested and you've seen her almost a dozen times. That's way more meets than what most guys seem to give around here and I would hope she likes the fact you see her often. She might've assumed you always wanted a cover. Then again, what do I know, especially with that boyfriend in the loop.

[QUOTE=RaisingCain;6457001]I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.[/QUOTE]I don't usually say this publicly, but the times I saw her no condom was discussed or used. I'm generally not a BB person, I guess I don't search it out. With her there was no condom and no discussion of condom. I honestly don't know how other guys approach women, but I've been with many women that are mentioned here as being regular BBers and I didn't know because I put on a condom because they are hookers. With hookers, I generally put one on because it's expected; with SBs I just do what I do until they ask about a condom. Its usually about 1 or 2 in 10 that request a condom. I don't argue, I put it on. So, if you're offering up a condom without her requesting it, that may be the difference.

[QUOTE=RaisingCain;6457001]I've seen her close to a dozen times now I guess. I've learned she exaggerates a fair amount, for sympathy or something? Idk why. I agree when she's been drinking she can be a handful, and has even missed some dates with me because she was likely drunk. However when you can get her, she is a cool sweet girl to be around, and about the tightest girl I've ever met. You talked about her seeing guys bareback, and my experience with her is that she is a safety girl, so I wonder if that was her exaggerating again. I know I'd love to be in that bare.

Also the boyfriend part is real, I live somewhat near them and have met him a couple times, she actually introduced us one time, she's open with him.

I have been to her place several times, she has a room there that is just for playing, and have never been approached by anyone, her boyfriend just heads out for a couple hours.

I've found the best way with some of her flakiness is to communicate the day of meeting, and she loves when you bring weed.[/QUOTE]I did not explicit ask for it. I never do. I just go with the flow and don't volunteer to put it on. If a woman brings it up, based on the vibe I either put one on, or negotiate based on my mood, how the session is progressing or horney I am. No one on SA has ever insisted on a condom, one lady did make me wear one once, but then in any case we went raw for round two. On SA I use exactly this same approach. I Never discuss it upfront.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;6458014]I did not explicit ask for it. I never do. I just go with the flow and don't volunteer to put it on. If a woman brings it up, based on the vibe I either put one on, or negotiate based on my mood, how the session is progressing or horney I am. No one on SA has ever insisted on a condom, one lady did make me wear one once, but then in any case we went raw for round two. On SA I use exactly this same approach. I Never discuss it upfront.[/QUOTE]My experience lately also has been they either don't bother or if they do, they change their mind after you suggest it or you show you aren't a desperate creep. I've come across some that have certain rules like cover for first time meet but even that changes pretty quick following foreplay and the heat of the moment.

I think women on there just realize many guys prefer it, they want to make you happy and come back, most are relatively low risk / volume, and most are on birth control or very well should be. And the rare ones that still don't budge after that likely will after you show test results, though I haven't had to show mine yet.

HaleyJ21.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/52de1318-77af-4d44-ab61-786ca6b15d94[/URL]

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6462334]HaleyJ21.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/52de1318-77af-4d44-ab61-786ca6b15d94[/URL]

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.[/QUOTE]Nope. They never lower their standards! They believe 300 k is minimum wage. LOL The wall approaches. She's fat, and 4 was a generous offer!

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6462473]4 was a generous offer![/QUOTE]Yeah she does not even deserve that, 35 and overweight.

Some food for thought -- I've been tracking the ppm rates around Seattle and the surrounding areas and it does seem like many are overly accustomed to getting 500+ on average for meets. However, this is only what they've told me previous arrangements got them, and while it may be true, there's also no way for me to verify. So I just straight up ignore them when they say that and continue with my negotiation to see if they fit my criteria.

As a result, the same ones also seem open to doing it for less, say 400-500 as long as you hold your ground or show that you're nice enough when meeting. Could also be they're not drumming up as much interest with their GPS rates anymore too. Just make sure you still get your money's worth (I'd say 2 hrs minimum, if not more). Sometimes I feel like I get less bang for buck on the second meet onwards, but it depends on the person.

Note I've been focusing on attractive, slim types around 22-30 as I imagine you get much better value with age, if you aren't super picky like I am, or if you can host unlike me. Wouldn't mind some older types in the 300 range but just feel like the selection outside Seattle is shit. If I wanted to lower my standards, I'd just check out the other board.

Even some of the women on SA could pay me and I wouldn't meet them, much less give them any decent rate.

[QUOTE=DelToro;6462744]Yeah she does not even deserve that, 35 and overweight.[/QUOTE]I thought I was being generous too. Had another one that was 43 only 4'10 and a little chunky quote me 6 . This is just getting stupid at this point. . For now it's just a game for me. Let's see if I can find something good. I have a couple nice pros I can see for a great rate with good service when I really need to.

I'm currently talking with a very level headed 33 yo that's 5'10" and slim. We will see if anything happens.

[QUOTE=MilfHunter66;6462334]HaleyJ21.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/52de1318-77af-4d44-ab61-786ca6b15d94[/URL]

I couldn't get a amount from her but I suggested 4 for a date and she cut off all communication and didn't counter offer.

I texted with her some and she told me all but one guy ghosted her on a meetup. I would imagine there making a date then finding a better deal.

So many of these women get on there thinking there going to strike it rich with guys showering them with tons of $$ When reality sets in they leave or lower there standards.[/QUOTE]You saved yourself money. Woman is a dead fish in bed. Definitely not worth $400. I think her issue is she doesn't actually want to be a hoe, but she is a hoe. She's been on and off the site for years.

[QUOTE=MaCross19;6462955]You saved yourself money. Woman is a dead fish in bed. Definitely not worth $400. I think her issue is she doesn't actually want to be a hoe, but she is a hoe. She's been on and off the site for years.[/QUOTE]I would've probably given her $100 before your comment but she'd have to promise me to close her eyes as they creep me out. If dead fish in bed though, I wouldn't even give her that.

On another note, how often are you guys seeing someone on average before losing interest? Sometimes I wonder if my standards are too ridiculously high as I usually like who I meet, but for one reason or another don't feel motivated to seeing some after a few times. For me it could be a toss up of wanting more variety, driving distance, them not giving you as much time as you want, too routine / impersonal, etc. PPM at least makes this easier as I could always contact them later, though I still feel a little bad when they ask and I say I'm too busy or don't really express interest.

Part of the game of arrangements and me not having as much experience as others I guess.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6463007]I would've probably given her $100 before your comment but she'd have to promise me to close her eyes as they creep me out. If dead fish in bed though, I wouldn't even give her that.

On another note, how often are you guys seeing someone on average before losing interest? Sometimes I wonder if my standards are too ridiculously high as I usually like who I meet, but for one reason or another don't feel motivated to seeing some after a few times. For me it could be a toss up of wanting more variety, driving distance, them not giving you as much time as you want, too routine / impersonal, etc. PPM at least makes this easier as I could always contact them later, though I still feel a little bad when they ask and I say I'm too busy or don't really express interest.

Part of the game of arrangements and me not having as much experience as others I guess.[/QUOTE]For me, if I'm paying a bunch of money, they need to be great in bed. Most aren't. They think because they're cute they can just lie there and be pretty. If I'm paying $400-500, I expect to be so worn out that I'm out of commission for a week. If they were decent, I'll give them a second chance, but after that I'm pretty much done unless they can throw down. From talking to more than a few as well as hookers, most guys are done in 15 minutes, so I guess I'm not their ideal person anyway.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6463013]For me, if I'm paying a bunch of money, they need to be great in bed. Most aren't. They think because they're cute they can just lie there and be pretty. If I'm paying $400-500, I expect to be so worn out that I'm out of commission for a week. If they were decent, I'll give them a second chance, but after that I'm pretty much done unless they can throw down. From talking to more than a few as well as hookers, most guys are done in 15 minutes, so I guess I'm not their ideal person anyway.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd have zero tolerance for someone who just starfishes in bed. Might as well save my money and time and just rub one out at home.

Also, sounds about right regarding us not being ideal as I know many prefer the qv / half hour rates and have also heard nonpros / pros saying how some clients don't like to kiss at all in their sessions. It's an absolute must for me but I can see how some guys don't want that kind of intimacy, especially if they're married or whatnot, or just want a quick release from anyone at a cheap rate. Hell, some pros have even told me they get frustrated due to not orgasming in awhile before I saw them which kind of blew my mind considering their high volume. Apparently it's a combination of short appointments, clients not looking to reciprocate, or just flat out not being any good at it if they try, so some also act surprised and / or thankful when I say I want them to enjoy it too.

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How are your guys' luck finding people outside the Seattle area? I feel like I've already contacted every semi-attractive type and have even tried contacting some who haven't logged in awhile just for the heck of it.

Just feels like it's barren in the areas between Seattle and Bellingham due to the lack of college towns, though could be me and all the handicaps I've been putting on myself (picky, can't host). Not a fan of driving to the city all the time, but might not have a choice.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6464711]How are your guys' luck finding people outside the Seattle area? I feel like I've already contacted every semi-attractive type and have even tried contacting some who haven't logged in awhile just for the heck of it.

Just feels like it's barren in the areas between Seattle and Bellingham due to the lack of college towns, though could be me and all the handicaps I've been putting on myself (picky, can't host). Not a fan of driving to the city all the time, but might not have a choice.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you're at. In Olympia, the women there seem willing and are not anywhere as expensive as Seattle. I think I mentioned Aberdeen last year where I found someone who wanted $60. I felt guilty and gave her $100.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6464744]Not sure where you're at. In Olympia, the women there seem willing and are not anywhere as expensive as Seattle. I think I mentioned Aberdeen last year where I found someone who wanted $60. I felt guilty and gave her $100.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm somewhat north of Seattle. Bellingham itself doesn't seem too bad, but the hour plus drive I've done for meets there gets tiring after awhile. I'm sure many would think I'm crazy for not even doing that.

Also LOL at the $60 to $100. I could see myself doing the same thing, especially when she's not even asking for a benjamin.

I know I've read that SA isn't the greatest next to big cities, but more towards mid-level towns, especially college ones.