Ana the European / Russian massage therapist
Ana, ad posted on February 1.
[URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/bts/d/honolulu-deluxe-massage/7440575067.html[/URL]
Ana, ad posted on February 4.
[URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/bts/d/honolulu-best-great-massage/7441600873.html[/URL]
Ana, ad posted on February 6.
[URL]https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/bts/d/honolulu-let-me-take-your-tensions-away/7442740671.html[/URL]
Three Craigslist ads, three different contact numbers. Ana has been mentioned in past reviews, however, I do not remember any details other than having a general feeling that she probably was not good. I was correct.
She works out of Eden Spa and Massage on Kalakaua avenue, right next to Century Center. European / Russian (my best guess), chubby, pleasant face. While I was getting undressed, I could hear that she was talking to someone on her phone through the thin walls. I waited 4 minutes on the table, then started to put my clothes back on, she then walks in. I decide to stay. She takes a while to put away her things and then to get organized for the massage.
Ana uses a lot of oil and may have some training, however, she is clearly distracted and is just going over the same area over and over. She is reluctant to have a conversation due to the thin walls. Her cell phone starts to ring, then blows up. She then has a 5 minute conversation with her mom (in Russian) and eventually does the one hand massage on me. When she finally hangs up, she starts rubbing around my stomach area and I have to place her hand on my dick several times to get us to the end of this session. When she finally focuses on the handjob, it is clear that she is not good at this. She allows roaming, however, not on her boobs or pussy.
One hour massage was actually closer to 50 minutes session, 45 minutes if I factor out the 5 minute phone call. No conversation, lousy massage, lousy handjob, limited roaming. I gave her 90. The ad I responded to did not have any pricing, she did not discuss pricing at any time, she did not say anything after I paid her. If you have had a massage with Ana, please post your experience.
60 (massage) +10 (limited roaming) +40 (handjob) -10 (short 10 minutes of time) -10 (5 minute phone call) = 90 dollars.
I vote for quality service.
[QUOTE=Moku808;5764284]Correct, just so tired of seeing the same old crap on BP and definitely in need of a new source of provider info. I think the sellers are getting desperate, as it seems to be a buyers market now with so many advertising. Time to band together and drive the prices back down or at least demand quality service for the asking price.[/QUOTE]With more Bedpage advertisers deciding to post on Craigslist, I agree with your assessment that shops and massage therapists are trying to attract more customers. Most current Craigslist advertisers, not all, will provide some sort of extra services.
Reading reviews in this forum will inform us on good and bad massage therapists / providers. If we decide to go see a "bad" therapist / provider, at least we know what to expect and to think about how much we may want to pay before will take off our board shorts and get on the table. I would prefer to focus on seeing the "good" therapists / providers and reward them with better than "standard" tips. In turn, hopefully they talk with other girls in the shop or fly back home on the mainland and tell her massage girlfriends about how much money she made in Hawaii. Next time "Mint" flies out of Los Angeles to Honolulu, "Cherry" will be with her and we will have two therapists working for us, knowing that if they do things the right way, their tips will be bigger.
If I get stuck with a "bad" therapist / provider, I am going to try and make the best of it, however, I am not going to over pay and I will never agree to pay what she tells me she wants. We have the most leverage at this point.
Once, after the flip, my therapist asked me: How much you give me? You give me 140. I replied: I do not know how much I am going to give you. I will figure out what I will give you when we are done. If you want to end right now, I will give you 45. She replied: Why 45? Massage is 60. I replied: Well, you massaged me pretty good for 40 minutes and I would like to give you a 5 dollar tip. Would you like to finish and get a nice tip if you do a good job? We finished, she did a good happy ending, allowed me to roam below her clothes freely and I got to pop her boobs out of her top. After I put on my clothes, I told her: Your massage was good, up until the flip I enjoyed chatting with you, you are funny, you listened to me during the handjob and did what I wanted and you have a nice butt. For all we did, I usually give more than 140, so do not tell your customer how much he has to give you. He may think what you do is worth more to him. I gave her 130. I see her every other month, she never brought up money again and oddly enough, neither do the other girls in the shop.
The Handjob massage. This is how I do it (Montell Jordan).
[QUOTE=Ck813;5779749]I have some questions and input.
These MTS are negotiating prices before they even start the massage. Let's say you agree to 120 but only can grab ass. During the massage you want t to see feel her tits suck on them and so on. Great experience with HE what are you going to pay them? But. Before all this happens they say 200 to lick suck their tits. You still paying $$? You suck her tits but only allows you a short period of time and she sucks yours terribly, what are you paying her now?
Before the massage you negotiate 120 HJ, but the massage sucks and the HJ sucks what are you paying her?
You get to grab bare ass and actually get some finger in her vagina and she lets you? I mean is hard to say what you are paying the provider. I hate when we have to negotiate or the MT says what do you want? Now that MYS are offering more at ridiculous prices it's not fun. Before massage ask for a HJ and pau. 100 I think was not fuck who knows what is on the table and should we pay. I like your style then standard prices. Providers are now asking 200-300 up front because too many dick heads running off without paying. You lay them 300 upfront then your service sucks then what?
What about just go get a massage and see what happens at the end only paying house?
Pay upfront and some of these MTS give shorty service, go back to the old way. I'm starting to do that or I just walk. It's like a hooker you walk out and they want 20 or the whole appointment fee. Now what?[/QUOTE]SETTING UP MY WALLET. Put enough 20 dollar bills, one 10 dollar bill and one 5 dollar bill. So, for me, 200 in 20 dollar bills, one 10 dollar bill, one 5 dollar bill. Why 200 in 20 dollar bills for a 120 handjob massage? To tip for extras that may be available and will make my session more enjoyable. Why one 10 dollar bill and one 5 dollar bill? If I want to tip less than a 20 dollar bill, I want to be able to do that and not ask for change.
EXPECTATIONS. If the one hour session goes the full 60 minutes, the massage is good, the therapist allows reasonable over the clothes roaming and the handjob is good, I feel the session is worth 120. Breakdown: 60 (one hour session) + 15 (tip for 45 minute massage) + 45 (roaming and handjob) = 120.
HOW I ADD TO THE TIP. If the space is thoughtfully decorated and makes an impression on me, the music is good, the temperature is not too cold or too warm and there is not too much outside noise (+10). If the therapist is nice, polite, personable, able to hold a good conversation, is funny or interesting (+10). If the therapist is attractive, hot or sexy (+10). If she has big boobs (+10). If she removes her top and bra (+10). If she uses her boobs to massage my dick (+10). If she removes all of her clothes (+10). If her handjob is really good and she can get into my head, (+10 to +20).
HOW I SUBTRACT FROM THE TIP. If the session does not go the full time (-5 or -10 or -15. One dollar per minute, rounded up.). Leaves the room too much (-5 or -10). Answers texts or calls (-5 or -10). Massage is not good (-10). Does not allow roaming (-10). Handjob is not good (-10).
I do not pay upfront. If they ask for the massage fee or everything before the session, I politely leave.
If I am asked: How much you give me? My response: I do not know how much I am going to give you. Do your best to make me happy and I will give you a good tip.
If I am told: You give me XXX dollars. My response: Do your best to make me happy and I will give you a good tip.
If she INSISTS on me telling her how much I will give her, my response (I look at the time on my cell phone and let's assume the massage has been 40 minutes so far): I will give you 45 dollars right now and I can get dressed and leave. 40 dollars for the massage plus a 5 dollar tip. Or you can finish the session, do a good job, make me happy and I will give you a good tip.
If she says no, be calm, get dressed, politely give her 45, thank her and leave. If she says anything, do not respond. She made the choice.
For me, I am not interested in seeing a therapist that is looking to give the least amount of effort for 120. I want to have a session with a girl that thinks about putting forth her best effort to take care of me. The good ones do not discuss money. They are confident in what they do and expect you to do the right thing.
That being said, give whatever is comfortable for you. Give what you feel the session was worth to you. If you like what she does and you treat her well, everyone wins. If you insist on giving what everyone else gives the crappy providers, she may not answer your next text or she may respond: Sorry, I am booked for the day. (and it is 11:15am)
