Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=LilaBella;2022404]You already said you were done, yet here you go again. Obsessed much? If you were, I could understand, I have been told I am rather addictive. I don't recall ever saying you shopped at Walmart, I was making a simple comparison, and I never said I came from Tiffany's, again, it was a simple comparison of stores, not our personal habits or tastes. If you were too dense to get it, my apologies. I'll try and make it simpler next time.

Yes, I only date white gentlemen. That's very true. I have no problem with black men, or any other color of men socially. It's a personal preference. No one said a word, other than you, about black men specifically. It has nothing to do with being robbed, anyone can do that, it has nothing to do with who can and can't afford me, lots of white men can't, and I have plenty of black and other racially diverse friends. I didn't put anything "out there" other than an ad, you're the one that is trying to turn it into something it's clearly not.

Do the same rules apply to you? The more you incessantly complain the more I'm supposed to let some guy that's never met me walk all over me and make far fetched and untrue observations?

Lila Bella.[/QUOTE]As I said before the more you talk. You have plenty of black and racially diverse friends, funny how I've heard that before. But your race preference was put in as a side note however sad but true so instead of getting in a war of words with me why don't you get to posting you still have a lot more states to put your ad up in. You said you will be laid up about 2 weeks, shouldn't you be exercising rehabbing or something? Anything accept trying to convince everybody that you're not some 35 plus year old woman that's trying to be more than you are. And you keep implying that I somehow want you. Again legend in your own mind. I give you credit you are relentless but I can play the dozens with the best. Talk to you later.

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

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I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]Charger,

This is another topic we do about every 3-4 months.

IMHO, you're not out of line but you're expectations might have been off.

There are a couple providers here that I have been willing to help over the years. I don't regret it. It didn't turn into long running requests for help. They were all "one and done" kind of situations. I did it because someone needed help and in every case, they were a provider I clicked with for some period of time. I know in one case, I was kind of a last resort.

But never (never never) expect some in kind payback of discounted or free services. If it happens. Fine. If it doesn't. Fine. But when you get caught up thinking you have some kind of account balance, you'll always get burned.

As to the "never do another favor for a provider", that's totally up to you. I've found that sometimes the pay it forward game can have its benefits, especially when we're not talking high dollar or high time commitment things. I believe (although I don't have any proof) that when I see these ladies now I get better services, I get more flexibility on scheduling, and I get just that little extra. Can't prove it and it may all be in my mind but my experience tells me to listen, be careful, and don't get overcommitted.

Don't ever be a pushover and have the right expectations (as in "none") and you'll do fine.

Have a great day.

Dz.

There is one rule that I think is over all else. Be honest in your review. If that's what happened, then you should never back down from telling the truth and naming names, no matter how well established a provider is. Even if the provider has 100 stellar reviews, if your experience with her was bad, say so.

1 bad review doesn't ruin 100 good ones. But a succession of them could mean something different.

I had a not so pleasant experience with NattiGFE / Allison / Buttons / etc., who up to that point, had good reviews. But she was late (excusable because I allowed it), and when during the sessions I mentioned multi-pop, she said she didn't do that even though I paid for the whole her and her ad clearly states, "MSOG". When I told her it said so in her ad, she said that it was a mistake. She copied and pasted another provider's ad and she didn't mean to. Eventually, after I told her that I would have no problems kicking her out, she acquiesced. I wrote about, I was honest about it. It was one bad review, and I don't know if it was the catalyst that made her change, but her ads changed to remove the MSOG, then 1 week later, she advertises, "now offering MSOG".

Reviews are not just to alert other mongers of good / bad providers, but it could also be a warning / report card to providers. The smart ones will read their reviews and make adjustments. The ones that don't, well, they don't do as well.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Josh88;2022423]I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.[/QUOTE]I would and I did.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]The general rule, is do not hand out money or favors, unless they are merely a gift. It usually does not work out well if you expect anything else. The only person that can answer that for you is yourself. If the disconnect above ruined your ability to enjoy your time with her in the future, you should let her know and then carry through with not seeing her: say what you mean and mean what you say.

Remember there are always three sides to a hobby story: her side, his side, and what really happened. Eight times out of ten, when a hobbyist complains that they have been taken advantage of by a provider, when all sides of the story come out, you can often see where the whole mess could have been avoided with better communication or foresight. Just off what you gave us, you are not going to like my vote: you fucked up, you trusted her.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]No you are not wrong, you should report it. I had a bad experience last January with a well known high class provider, I said what I needed to say, even though I got flax from others about how they could not believe this person could have done this, it still is what it is and it happened. It does happen in this hobby.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;2022428]Glock, buddy. Your pictures are fine and all, but you should look at the girls face when choosing a photo. In this photo, Lexi looks like she's either mentally handicapped, or very drunk, or a bit of both.[/QUOTE]I rather liked the look on her face. But keep in mind that it may be difficult to grin when you have six inches of dildo shoved up your giner. Here is another shot taken just minutes before, minus the dildo.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]Out of line? Well, I suppose not. But I actually think you made out pretty well, considering. Like many here, I've been there and done that many times. Phone minutes, rent money, grocery money for kids, car payment, you name it. The offer is usually similar to your experience.

When I help I am always hopeful, but I never really expect it to be repaid. So before you act, decide this: "Is this someone I'd like to do a favor for?" If so, then help and don't expect to get it back. Just do it as a favor and it is more likely to come back to you than if you really expect it to. I have made some great friends in this way. And had some really awesome "clock off" dates.

This issue has been discussed on the boards for years, and I think the replies usually fall into two categories -- "Don't ever help" and "Help, but don't expect to get it back.".

I don't think I have ever asked a lady to see me for free because I've helped her out. But I have booked a follow-up date, brought a good bottle of wine, and enjoyed her company for a lot more than 30 or 60 minutes. Is it equal or fair? Perhaps not. But if it is someone you really enjoy spending time with, then I think you will make out pretty well.

Be gracious with the lady. See her on her terms. And give her the opportunity to show you that she really is appreciative. Just my two cents worth, as always.

[QUOTE=DNut;2022542]There is one rule that I think is over all else. Be honest in your review. If that's what happened, then you should never back down from telling the truth and naming names, no matter how well established a provider is. Even if the provider has 100 stellar reviews, if your experience with her was bad, say so.

1 bad review doesn't ruin 100 good ones. But a succession of them could mean something different.

I had a not so pleasant experience with NattiGFE / Allison / Buttons / etc., who up to that point, had good reviews. But she was late (excusable because I allowed it), and when during the sessions I mentioned multi-pop, she said she didn't do that even though I paid for the whole her and her ad clearly states, "MSOG". When I told her it said so in her ad, she said that it was a mistake. She copied and pasted another provider's ad and she didn't mean to. Eventually, after I told her that I would have no problems kicking her out, she acquiesced. I wrote about, I was honest about it. It was one bad review, and I don't know if it was the catalyst that made her change, but her ads changed to remove the MSOG, then 1 week later, she advertises, "now offering MSOG".

Reviews are not just to alert other mongers of good / bad providers, but it could also be a warning / report card to providers. The smart ones will read their reviews and make adjustments. The ones that don't, well, they don't do as well.[/QUOTE]DNutt, I agree 100%.

Per hobby custom a review is supposed to be the guy's experience from his point of view. That is a one-sided standard as it has to be. The reviewer's history on other matters affords the rest of us a yardstick to asses the weight that should be given the review. DNut gave us a review of his experience.

What is going on? If a provider wants to see only financially stable white guys what's the big deal? Maybe they believe if they go black they won't go back LOL. As far as high volume rates vs. Low volume rates, if I was on that side of the fence I'd rather see 1 or 2 a week rather then 5 a day, yuke that even sounds gross. I know some of us can afford to see 3 Ladies a week at 150 but balk at one for 300 hmmm. Now does advertising in this arena bruise the ego? Maybe, its kinda like a car salesman trying to sell a Bugatti in the projects, LOL. I know where I from, they keep the rent in the apt. Complexes high, so they only attract a certain client, no section 8 that kind of thing. As far as the racial component, this is America don't forget. If you have a couple bad experiances with black men well, its because there black, and you write off all black men. If you have a bad experiance with a couple white men well, its because they were jerks, so just screen better and ask for references. I'm just saying, All kidding aside, the good thing about this hobby is there is just about someone for everyones price point. What would you charge to let someone do to you what you ask these Ladies to do? I'm just saying. Just choose wisely and treat kindly.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]What one must think about is are we "helping out" with the idea of making a gift from the goodness of our horny monger hearts? Or are we "helping out" with the idea of creating indebtedness that we expect to be repaid?

I've responded to many a call for help in the past. I learned quickly that I wasn't going to be repaid, either in money or time. I guess I can say that I always felt good anyway, just because I was lending a hand to a fellow human in need. However, I have drawn the line in several cases because I felt I was being taken advantage of. And even still, when I know I'm being scammed, I've bought food for a house where a kid was living. Just because I'm a dumbass.

Karma, what goes, comes.

Cheech.

Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

Actually I've been in a similar situation and knew up front that the "help" I was providing was really going to be a gift. I figured I had the cash and she needed the cash so what the hell.. As long as I was sure she wasn't buying drugs with it.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;2022630]Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.[/QUOTE]I think in summary this is the lesson to be learned. The time or money isn't really the issue they were minimal I was frustrated they did not keep their word and I think clearly I need to reduce my expectations to none, if there is a benefit great but I should plan on there being none even if one is stated. Thanks again all.

Well I appreciate your southern hospitality. I got my glasses on and that gal looks pretty good.

Thanks for sending some food for thought.