"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Joy drop and Johng,

I too have considered going freestyle with a civvies. I have been doing a hell of a lot more flirting. And I have been having pretty good success. The more amateur the better short of a virgin though. I am working on this really cute 22 yo blond from a hooters type bar. She has been crying poor and I think we are going to close the deal. My first SB was a very inexperienced stripper not a total amateur but never been a SB. And I recruited her on my own.

PM me and we can compare successes and failures? I think there is a huge untapped market out there that is yet to be exploited. The ultimate soft sell.

Revvo

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1667944]Edit delete. I frequently visit a large corporate client where I am well known. There is a drop dead gorgeous admin asst who I have SERIOUS hots for. She is early to mid 20s (I am 50s) and we are flirting, but she seems like a "good " girl and I am afraid that it would shock her beyond belief if I came on to her. However, the little head rules the day, so here's what happened. We were talking about the super bowl and she is going home to Baltimore to go to the game with her girlfriends and to pay down (gasp! A HCG with a school debt!) her loan. I know you are all thinking I made the move but I filed it away for another day. Hmmm. Sweetheart, would you like me to help you with your school debt? I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.

So does anyone have any slick line I can roll out there so that I could save face if she is totally not open to the SB scenario? Mandy, if you are still her perhaps you could weigh in on the subject of perverting (converting) a chaste young thing?[/QUOTE]She is half your age and hot. The two of you are flirting. She mentioned bills.

It's best to shed the attitude:

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1667944]Hmmm. Sweetheart, would you like me to help you with your school debt? I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]Give her a card with $200 in it. Tell her it is her birthday present, and don't hang around. She knows how to contact you. The next move is hers. Give her space to make it. My bet is the clothes will come flying off giving her some money without mentioning a dime. If it doesn't happen you misread the flirting. The $200 keeps you from outing yourself.

Something never discovered by this board is giving a civie girl in distress money with no strings will cause the clothes to come flying off. All the posts focus on how to meet outed SB's over coffee, negotiate and not spend a dime doing it. There are more civie girls than those claiming to be SB's.

The question not asked,"Is it smart to mix business with pleasure on the premises of a good corporate client where I am well known?" Absolutely not.

Walk the fuck away. You will get burned on so many levels. Go find some other hottie to fuck that has no clue who you are! Unless of course you are single and have a skill set that will gain you employment anywhere at anytime. If that is the case do what Golfcart said and fuck the shit out of that hottie, then freshin up your CV.

LL

Have to agree with with Golfcart on all counts. Good advice, sir.

Golfcart, I really like your thoughts below. As well as other thoughts you have had on here about pushing the string. I use them myself now.

Question, have you applied the civvie technique in the past? If so how often does it work? What if there is no birthday on the horizon? Just make up another event?

Revvo

Had a great session with MsOxyMoron, she was in physical need and I was there to help fulfill. Only expense was hotel. I'm sending her some funds later this week anyway, but it's always a good milestone when you can have fun without money at all being exchanged. Most of the time, I only let that happen maybe once, let's be real, the money is important even if they don't need it at the time. So I'll get bonus points for sending some without seeing her as she got points for doing the tiggabounce without any money exchanged.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1669180]Golfcart, I really like your thoughts below. As well as other thoughts you have had on here about pushing the string. I use them myself now.

Question, have you applied the civvie technique in the past? If so how often does it work? What if there is no birthday on the horizon? Just make up another event?

Revvo[/QUOTE]The opportunity has to present itself, but yes, I've helped a few and found the clothes come flying off. In those situations there was never a thought of anything in return and things turned out to have a return to my surprise. I think the key is really and truly not expecting anything. This is the polar opposite of helping a girl to get in her pants. That won't work in the situation I'm talking about because they have this pulled on them all the time.

I didn't post to Fred because I thought he might be able to carry this off. He made a comment I suggested he had to shed. The attitude behind that comment is a killer to the girl I'm talking about, to a SB and even to an escort. A true escort won't let you shove her nose in it.

I posted to Fred because he came upon a hot civie, they were already flirting and she mentioned a college loan. In the situation I was addressing that's the fish jumping in the boat. However, it crossed my mind she might have been working Fred.

Not everybody can sing in public and we’re not all generous. A guy who is truly generous can get all the pussy he wants and for guys who are not, what I’m talking about won’t work. They give off the signs of hitting a girl up, always looking at her tits and not into her eyes, even looking at the tits on the girl at the next table, speaking in double entree, things like that, things her father never did, in other words.

Most of us paint a sign across our forehead very telling to the female.

The birthday card is just a medium for the first gift. That it's her birthday is a private joke between the two. Prior posts by me about having the money in my palm and sliding it in her purse as she is distracted by the elevator door is for the situation where P4P is on top of the table. Deep down no girl is comfortable with P4P, not the locals, not the National Top List girls. It's a way of getting her the money without shoving it in her face.

Well the overnight I had planned with the Caretaker SB was a bust. I got stood-up. What's worse is that it was after I already checked in to the hotel. I also bought some food and drinks to stock the hotel refrig, so that was a waste as well. I texted her the room number but I never got a response from her. I sent a text every 45 min for the next couple hours, then gave up.

I had confirmed our overnighter the previous night and we had planned it all week long. In hindsight, I probably should have done one more confirmation on the day of. But I had only seen her before in the FC and there wasn't a hint of hesitation in her texts the entire week. In fact, she seemed really enthusiastic about it. I just don't know what happened. Maybe she had some last minute moral crisis or has a boyfriend, who knows. I still haven't heard from her at all since the last confirmation text Friday night. Usually I can shrug off no-shows or abrupt disappearances, but this one stings a bit because we got along pretty well and this overnighter took a lot of pre-planning to do. So I would really like to get a reason from her what happened.

I ended up staying overnight by myself since the room was already paid for. I spent some of her allowance on a nearby strip club (which I got barely any mileage) and I went and saw a movie. Definitely one of the low points in my sugar bowl experiences.

The one glimmer was that when I was checking out the next morning, the front-desk girl was very chatty, sensing some interest, I started flirting with her. However, I ended up holding back because she already knew my real identity and street address, LOL. Even with the civilian girls, I need to be able to do a Ninja Vanish, so her already knowing my street address is a non-starter. But at least it did provide a brief ray of sunshine in my otherwise miserable weekend.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1670094]Well the overnight I had planned with the Caretaker SB was a bust. I got stood-up. What's worse is that it was after I already checked in to the hotel. I also bought some food and drinks to stock the hotel refrig, so that was a waste as well. I texted her the room number but I never got a response from her. I sent a text every 45 min for the next couple hours, then gave up.

I had confirmed our overnighter the previous night and we had planned it all week long. In hindsight, I probably should have done one more confirmation on the day of. But I had only seen her before in the FC and there wasn't a hint of hesitation in her texts the entire week. In fact, she seemed really enthusiastic about it. I just don't know what happened. Maybe she had some last minute moral crisis or has a boyfriend, who knows. I still haven't heard from her at all since the last confirmation text Friday night. Usually I can shrug off no-shows or abrupt disappearances, but this one stings a bit because we got along pretty well and this overnighter took a lot of pre-planning to do. So I would really like to get a reason from her what happened.

I ended up staying overnight by myself since the room was already paid for. I spent some of her allowance on a nearby strip club (which I got barely any mileage) and I went and saw a movie. Definitely one of the low points in my sugar bowl experiences.

The one glimmer was that when I was checking out the next morning, the front-desk girl was very chatty, sensing some interest, I started flirting with her. However, I ended up holding back because she already knew my real identity and street address, LOL. Even with the civilian girls, I need to be able to do a Ninja Vanish, so her already knowing my street address is a non-starter. But at least it did provide a brief ray of sunshine in my otherwise miserable weekend.[/QUOTE]I hate when these type of things happen. Hang in there, be strong JG. Actually at least there wasn't any drama involved.

BigTigg

I don't know where to start on this report. So I will take it chronologically. I do not mean to write a novel so I will try to keep it short and sweet. There has been some real bad. And a whole lot of POT good.

Right now I really only have two SB's in the boat.

RSSB1, F. She has kind of dropped off the radar once she panicky asked for money and I did not respond. That was last week. Great fuck beautiful 27 yo MILF stripper. Get along great. But too much about the money.

RSB2, D. She is on stand by, cute pie face 38 yo MILF and a very reliable fuck. Will get back to her later. But I am so busy do not have time now. Semi pro. Not my ultimate goal.

POT RSB3, R. Had a great meet and greet. Need to go slow with this one. She backed out of our 2nd lunch date on Friday and was very cool about it and promised to make it up to me. Very young and cute. 24. Beautiful. I will cut her some slack she if really cool so far.

POTRSB4, A. How bad could one of these things go. This was such a bust. Suffice it to say I spent a lot of money got nothing but some titty. And she was a totally con artist. Tried to scam me for thousands more. But I eventually caught on and. And I think she is suicidal. A real wacko. Forged my signature on my credit card. Added a bunch of stuff to the bill and so I emailed SA and told them. Hopefully they will kick her off of there. Worried about blowback but my security shields are holding. She may or may not know my real name. I don't think so. She tried calling me and emailing me through google voice and I blocked her. Can you block someone on Gmail? I know you can log them as spam. But what about blocking them?

POTRSB5, N. Another bust. Best personality of the bunch. Funny and vivacious. Beautiful pictures looks like snow white black hair, blue eyes, and light skin. We met and she weighed more than I did. It was horrible. I treated her nice. Even though she had lied to me we chatted for an hour and then we split. She texted and called me several times to try to see if I still liked her. She knew she had fucked up. I just let it go.

POTRSB6, A. Possibly a semi pro. Started kind of cool and has warmed up. She has sent me nude pics. And has a great body. About 37 could be 40. A 8. 5 body and a 7 head. Head is rough like she has been around the block. Good personality. Need to hookup. But I think she is scheduly challenged. Hard for her to make an appointment. Usually not a good sign. I would definitely fuck her though.

POTRSB7, BR. Came out of the blue. Nineteen years old. Just sent me pics and dropped out of sight. Then two days later calls me and emails me. She is once again really beautiful. Blond face like an angel. In fact she looks very young. I will surely check her I'd. I am going to be out of town. But after our fun and flirty text exchange she is willing to come from Tampa to see me.

Traveling to Vegas sent an email out to what very well may be a 10. Blond hotty. She wants to meet. So I am going to set something up for tonight after I get in. Wow I cannot say enough about the looks on this one. Blond, blue eyes, bolt ons of course. Which I am not a fan of. This is the only strike so far. We will see. She knows the SD game and may be a semi pro. Once again not what I am looking for but I will fuck if given half the chance.

Got to go. Too much to tell in one report. More coming soon.

Revvo

" I got stood-up" John G Smith

Welcome to the club JG. I know you are an experienced hand but this happens inexplicably to all of us. My condolences.

Big Tigg says it best by confirming on the day of and on the trip over, which you will always do in the future."Once burned shame on you, twice shame on me." or something like that. This flake entertained you in the FC and it makes sense that she would be an shoo in for a repeat showing. This just demonstrates how utterly unreliable most of these girls can be. I have been very fortunate of late in having very reliable SBs. I changed my approach from multifucking to monogamous behavior, and staying away from Nando 1s. It has been rare that I was rescheduled even, not to mention stood up. My last stand up I reported on months ago. In a nutshell she was coming to spend the night for a generous amount. She totally blew it off, no call on the day of or the day after. I did attempt to contact her the day of but I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and lost. I bought flowers and food and drink, but fortunately no hotel was booked, so I just enjoyed those things at my own home.

The bottom line for me : 1) no Nando 1s, EVER 2) preferably college girls or educated, and 3) no kids (I know this is harsh but kids add that unpredictable element)

POTRSB8, CH. About 37 not that great head maybe a 6 and a killer body maybe a 9 body. May be a semi pro. Very sexual and suggestive right off the bat. Hell she could just be horny. Anyway she told me right out on first text exchange whatever I want. She was a little shy about providing more pictures. We will see. Sounds like she may be a really good fuck.

I am skipping a couple of GPS's since nothing is happening with them. Wasted my time and I am not going to waste yours.

POTRSB7, BR. Very very hot 19 yo HCB, blond. She is the one who sent me pictures and did not respond back. Two days later she responds calls and texts me. I could detect the scent of GPS but not outright. Now she has been on the site since October and says her experience has been good. This also makes me suspicious. Is she lying? Is she some kind of pro? Don't know. I know this a solid 9 head and at least an 8 body. Cute little thing. Face like an angel. So it took a while of texting but I got her to warm up to me. Then she asked to meet me and is coming to drive to me from another city. She mentioned payment for an arrangement. I told her we need to make sure we hit it off first before we have an arrangement. She said she is sure we will hit it off. Of course I am in Vegas all week. So I am booking her in on Friday night. When I fly back in. But I also have a happy hour appointment with my current fave, R. We will see if I can squeeze both in.

POTRSB9, JO. Starting to have to use two letters. I really really like this one. She is 22 smart, sexy, not slutty, has 8. 5 head, and a smoking 9 body with great natural titties. She attracted to older men. Has not been on SA long. And we did the old text tango for a while and got her nice and warmed up and, then proceeded to telephone conversation. Where things heated up more. Not sexual. A little innuendo, and a whole lot of flirting and laughing. She really warmed up to me. I love it when I can see them actually warming up to you getting more into you, coming out of their shell. Reaching out to you. Trying to show you they are special and different. If you are conscious you can see it and feel it. This is a great feeling for me. One of the best things about this hobby. Then the next morning she texts me and tells me to have a great day. That's all. I don't think the warden has ever done that. I think this one and R are the greatest potential for a LT NSA type. Hey maybe both? A man can dream can't he? I could put each one on a $800 per month allowance, that's $1600 per month, that's $18k per year. Whats the price of happiness? What percentage of your salary would you pay for real joy?

I am writing this on my plane to Vegas. My Vegas hottie J has not responded to my text earlier. Hey she may not show. But I do not even really care at the point. I got so much very high quality pussy, waiting for me at home. It is good to have abundance.

Besides this morning I heard from two very nice HCB's. Respond to my letter. One looks like she may be a keeper. Red flag; they are both asking for more pics. Usually a sign they are looking for a hot looking boyfriend. I am not bad looking and, have all of my hair and not fat. But I am not young stud. But this is not about looks anyway. If it is they need to go onto match. Com. Find a good looking 22 yo stud, with a nice car. Go on a couple of dutch dates with no conversation or interest. Get into a sweaty 30 second emotionless sex session. Wonder what is wrong with men. And then find out he has a girlfriend or is cheating on her. And still lives with mommy. She just fucked a good looking 14 year old boy that happens to be 22 yo chronologically.

I am going to do another post about GPS and a rap I use on them to counteract it's negative effects. Still a work in progress.

Revvo

OK, so MsOxyMoron is working on BC, she will have the appt next week. Looking forward to that.

Ms POF has had car problems and cash issues. She will not let me give her cash for our first visit. So I'm considering taking the drive down to where she is. I'm probably not, but I'm thinking about it. It's too far to drive with out guarantee of getting the goodies.

So my first week back on sddie dot com and the response has been overwhelming. I have to learn how to say "no" or at least focus on 3 at a time, LOL.

I have one 44 year old who just wants go get it on, a prior SB who wants 150 per meeting, a 22 year old who' is rather stunning and I almost fell over when she sent me the bra and panties pic, a 23 year old cutie who lives 30-40 mins away, a 24 year old who's back in school in later in the year, but lives 2 1/2 hours away. She's agreed to drive 1/2 way to meet. All are very cute (one is stunning) and you know how I am about donation amounts. I also was chatting with one 35 year old who's pics were not the greatest, but her body was slamming!

So I schedule 3 for yesterday. Meet the 35 year old for lunch M&G, the 22 year old co-ed for a late lunch M&G and back up the road for the 44 year old who just wants to get it on. My thinking was the first two would get me all aroused and ready and I'd take out my sexual frustration on the 44 year old.

Funny thing, the 44 year old was the only one to cancel. She gave me some crazy story, but in the end, I think she just got cold feet.

The M&G with the 35 year old was amazing. She's much prettier than her pics, the body is off the charts and she's not looking for a SD (I know I was thinking the same thing, why are you here). She is married, main bread winner in her house, has two cars a successful biz. Our M&G lasted 3 hours. She's looking for much more of an affair with someone who at least has the means to travel with her sometimes, pay for hotel rooms, pay for meals and surprise her with little gifts every now and then. She would not let me give her money for gas, she was like,"my tank is full". I don't need you to give me any money, just give me attention and good luvin. She even offered to pay for the meal and told me some of our trips will be on her expense account. So I'm thinking, now where do I sign!

Lunch ends, I pay for the meal, get a nice long hug and a couple of quick kisses. This M&G made me late for my 2nd M&G. I almost didn't go. I knew that she was so much of a good catch that I may not need the 22 year old co-ed. But I went to see her anyway. Thinking would could it hurt, she's probably going to be self-centered, selfish and hard to talk to. Boy was I wrong, she was the total opposite.

I cannot believe my luck, she looked even better than her pics, I didn't think that was possible. Here she is this 22 year old hottie, with a 2 year old kid, living in her own apartment, going to school and working a part time job. Parents are paying for school, she just would like some help with her other bills. She does not have a car. So it's rent, etc. She's got this small waist, cute butt and this DDs on a 5'2 frame. Oh my, I just had to touch them before the date was over. To make a long story short, by the end of the M&G, we were doing some heavy making out in my car. She did not stop me from caressing those DDs and at some point I had one of them in my mouth. In broad daylight, it was making her nervous and excited at the same time. I made sure to pick a spot that we'd not be disturbed.

Now get this, her rent is only $600 per month. She was more than happy if I could help her with even 1/2. She said I could visit as much as I like (she didn't promise a key, LOL). We have agreed that the next date will be doing the TiggaBounce, she says we can do her place, I may do a hotel just for the first time. With her, MsOxyMoron (27) and my new Biz Executive SugaMomma (35). I'm done. I hid my sdaddie profile, my SA has already expired and I told 2 on sd4me that I'm focusing on someone else.

I'm still shaking my head at such good fortune, but I do know fortunes can change quickly. Back to my shaking my head. A truly beautiful 22 year old co-ed, great body, $300-600 a month, unlimited visits. She's soft spoken, kinda shy and just doesn't go out much and does not realize how pretty she is. And those DDs, just put me over the edge.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Revvo;1670405]Forged my signature on my credit card. Added a bunch of stuff to the bill and so I emailed SA and told them. Hopefully they will kick her off of there. Worried about blowback but my security shields are holding. She may or may not know my real name. I don't think so. She tried calling me and emailing me through google voice and I blocked her. Can you block someone on Gmail? I know you can log them as spam. But what about blocking them?[/QUOTE]How did she get your credit card?

Gave credit card to waiter at restaurant. Got up for a few moments for a phone call. When I came back she had signed for the bill. And later noticed she had added more stuff to it.

I know it was stupid on my part. Even though she is a thieving con artist. I blame myself for not paying attention.

Expensive Lesson.

No Blowback so far. Other security is very good and I think she crawled back into the gutter.

Revvo