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[QUOTE=SGlider;4731176]Yun Spa is actively posting on CityXGuide as recently as today, but no answer on the phone or in text. Anybody know if it's worth the drive over there to shake on the door handle?[/QUOTE]Most of those places (and the apartment workers) aren't re-upping their subscription to advertise on a daily basis. Odds are they paid for April advertising and still appear in the ads, but they are closed.
Any signs that X or MT will be open anytime soon? I'll gladly wear a mask.
Mongger I wouldn't expect any AMPs to be open until maybe May 1st at the earliest, but even that might not happen given the hysterical panic of our society about this little virus. Even most independent girls seem to have gone into hiding. This lockdown shit better be done at the end of this month. We're going to have a goddam great depression 2 over what equates to a bad flu virus.
[QUOTE=BigWaffle;4744162]Mongger I wouldn't expect any AMPs to be open until maybe May 1st at the earliest, but even that might not happen given the hysterical panic of our society about this little virus. Even most independent girls seem to have gone into hiding. This lockdown shit better be done at the end of this month. We're going to have a goddam great depression 2 over what equates to a bad flu virus.[/QUOTE]Go for it! There are definitely providers that are offering services.
Covid 19 has 3 times the mortality rate and three times infectious tranfer rate as the flu. The risk you take doesn't just effect you.
It's always nice when people have an original thought instead of parroting nonsense from the dangerous uninformed fringe, it helps in identifying them. Thanks for doing your part 👍.
We don't know the true mortality rate of covid because we don't know how many people have been infected and are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. We don't know the denominator of the equation, and we're not being particularly scrupulous in our counting with distinguishing between dying of covid and dying with covid (the vast majority of people under the general umbrella of covid fatalities are already quite sick for covid-independent reasons). The reality is that we are crippling the economy in order to extend the lives of people who would likely be dead in a couple years anyway.
Is it worth the cost? At the least I don't think it's clear that it is. This isn't a cold heartless calculation. It isn't lives versus the economy, it's lives versus lives, because the economy is lives. We have plenty of data on how a downturn in the economy causes far-reaching detrimental effects on huge numbers of people. Increased drug use, suicide, marital problems, homelessness, diseases related to stress, etc.
And what will happen to the AMP and EMP scene given the economic fallout and continued media-fueled hysteria? Asians especially are paranoid as fuck about this type of shit. It's not good for the hobby. I don't mean to get on a soapbox about this, but we don't have anything else to talk about right now.
No worries- whenever this subsides over the next few months business will be back to usual. Guaranteed- there's too much money in it for the girls to stop. The point now is more about slowing the Covid 19 spread so the hospitals don't overrun.
As I posted on the General Topics. General Reports forum yesterday, Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya was interviewed yesterday and he is saying that based on the evidence coming in from around the world, not just the US, the mortality rate of COVID-19 is likely to be an order of magnitude lower than expected, no where near the 3. 4% the WHO has been expecting. The reasoning is this. People are being tested and showing antibodies to the coronavirus, but are / were asymptomatic. Meaning they already had it, didn't even know it, and their immune systems fought it off. That's the good news.
The bad news is that we don't have a vaccine, like we do for the flu. So if you are one of those people who's doctor insists you get a flu shot every year, because the flu could kill someone like you, with a weak immune system, they COVID-19 is still out to get you, and you should keep staying at home, face mask, etc.
It's a hard, cold fact of history that in the past we had these big kill offs of the old and weak every year, from disease, heat and cold. Modern living even these things out, so you're now likely to die of the catch-all "old age" than from a specific cause.
[QUOTE=BigWaffle;4748271]We don't know the true mortality rate of covid because we don't know how many people have been infected and are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. We don't know the denominator of the equation, and we're not being particularly scrupulous in our counting with distinguishing between dying of covid and dying with covid (the vast majority of people under the general umbrella of covid fatalities are already quite sick for covid-independent reasons). The reality is that we are crippling the economy in order to extend the lives of people who would likely be dead in a couple years anyway.
Is it worth the cost? At the least I don't think it's clear that it is. This isn't a cold heartless calculation. It isn't lives versus the economy, it's lives versus lives, because the economy is lives. We have plenty of data on how a downturn in the economy causes far-reaching detrimental effects on huge numbers of people. Increased drug use, suicide, marital problems, homelessness, diseases related to stress, etc.
And what will happen to the AMP and EMP scene given the economic fallout and continued media-fueled hysteria? Asians especially are paranoid as fuck about this type of shit. It's not good for the hobby. I don't mean to get on a soapbox about this, but we don't have anything else to talk about right now.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SamSpade;4748490]As I posted on the General Topics. General Reports forum yesterday, Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya was interviewed yesterday and he is saying that based on the evidence coming in from around the world, not just the US, the mortality rate of COVID-19 is likely to be an order of magnitude lower than expected, no where near the 3. 4% the WHO has been expecting. The reasoning is this. People are being tested and showing antibodies to the coronavirus, but are / were asymptomatic. Meaning they already had it, didn't even know it, and their immune systems fought it off. That's the good news.
The bad news is that we don't have a vaccine, like we do for the flu. So if you are one of those people who's doctor insists you get a flu shot every year, because the flu could kill someone like you, with a weak immune system, they COVID-19 is still out to get you, and you should keep staying at home, face mask, etc.
It's a hard, cold fact of history that in the past we had these big kill offs of the old and weak every year, from disease, heat and cold. Modern living even these things out, so you're now likely to die of the catch-all "old age" than from a specific cause.[/QUOTE]Bad news is that although the majority are from nursing homes, elderly with chronic medical problems it is not uncommon for an otherwise healthy 50 year old to die as well.
In addition I have seen several who have done well only to have developed chronic renal and cardiac issues. Most likely others as we learn more over time.
This can be a most unfriendly virus to say the least.
[QUOTE=GentleBen1;4799556]Bad news is that although the majority are from nursing homes, elderly with chronic medical problems it is not uncommon for an otherwise healthy 50 year old to die as well.
In addition I have seen several who have done well only to have developed chronic renal and cardiac issues. Most likely others as we learn more over time.
This can be a most unfriendly virus to say the least.[/QUOTE]Does anyone on this forum knows someone who got COVID, was hospitalized or died? I know awful a lot of people and nobody from the people I know knows anyone fiscally affected by the virus.
[blue]I know people who were hospitalized and recovered.
You may not know anybody who has been fiscally affected by the virus but the UN knows about 400,000,000
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/url]
I personally am helping to support 4 families in LatAm that would be starving if I wasn't.
Unless you meant physically and not fiscally.
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[QUOTE=GentleBen1;4799556]Bad news is that although the majority are from nursing homes, elderly with chronic medical problems it is not uncommon for an otherwise healthy 50 year old to die as well.
In addition I have seen several who have done well only to have developed chronic renal and cardiac issues. Most likely others as we learn more over time.
This can be a most unfriendly virus to say the least.[/QUOTE]It is very UNcommon for otherwise healthy 50 year olds to die.
I wish people would stop saying how deadly this disease is.
Just look, this is the most recent data from the CDC, read the "Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years" and you will find that the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) for symptomatic (showing signs of the disease) people between the ages of 50-64 is 2 in a thousand. They say that 35% are asymptomatic (not showing signs) so that would push the 2 out of a thousand down to like 1. 5 per thousand. These aren't my made up numbers, these were released by the CDC this week. Before you answer and tell me I'm wrong read the chart. There's no shame in learning something new. Seriously, read it. Then go live your life, covid is not an extinction level event, it's time to end the hysteria.
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Admin2;4799732]It is very UNcommon for otherwise healthy 50 year olds to die.
I wish people would stop saying how deadly this disease is.
Just look, this is the most recent data from the CDC, read the "Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years" and you will find that the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) for symptomatic (showing signs of the disease) people between the ages of 50-64 is 2 in a thousand. They say that 35% are asymptomatic (not showing signs) so that would push the 2 out of a thousand down to like 1. 5 per thousand. These aren't my made up numbers, these were released by the CDC this week. Before you answer and tell me I'm wrong read the chart. There's no shame in learning something new. Seriously, read it. Then go live your life, covid is not an extinction level event, it's time to end the hysteria.
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html[/url][/QUOTE]If you have time read today's New York Times about the 100,000 dead Americans.
Pay attention to the broad age ranges.
Not an illness to be taken lightly.
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Cherry picking what? It's from the CDC and it says:
"CDC and the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Responseexternal icon (ASPR) have developed five COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios that are designed to help inform decisions by modelers and public health officials who utilize mathematical modeling. The planning scenarios are being used by mathematical modelers throughout the Federal government. Models developed using the data provided in the planning scenarios can help evaluate the potential effects of different community mitigation strategies (e.g., social distancing). The planning scenarios may also be useful to hospital administrators in assessing resource needs and can be used in conjunction with the COVID-19Surge Tool."
It's literally the information the government is sending to hospitals in order to help them plan their response to the pandemic. Facts don't care that they disagree with your preconceptions. The CDC is literally saying that if you are 50, not in a nursing home, don't have co morbidity have a confirmed case then your chance of dying is 1 in 6200 and that is not "common" as you so casually threw out.
I'm not a doctor but data is my thing, I can't diagnose a case of covid but I sure as fuck can read a graph and this one says that symptomatic carriers across all age groups have a 1-1000 chance of dying. Once you add in asymptomatic positives it drops to about 1-1400, once you drop comorbidity and nursing homes it's at 1-6200 for a healthy 50 year old.
I hate Ben Shapiro but he's right about one thing, facts don't care about your feelings and those are the fucking facts about Covid from the CDC and anybody who can read a graph can see it. I get it, you made your mind up about this 3 months ago when they were scaring you with 2,000,000 dead. Those models were wrong, those same models said that by the end of March Sweden would have 75,000 dead, as of now they have 3900. They said if the states opened there would be a spike in cases in two weeks, it's been a month and new cases are steadily decreasing.
You can change your opinion with new data, I'm really not trying to be a dick. Before you say it, 100,000 people didn't die since March, about 850,000 died since March, 2700 people die every day in the US.
Stop watching all American media and educate yourself.
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[QUOTE=GentleBen1;4800023]If you have time read today's New York Times about the 100,000 dead Americans.
Pay attention to the broad age ranges.
Not an illness to be taken lightly.[/QUOTE]Pimping dead people to advance a political agenda is abhorrent. They called the 100,000 incalculable. Does that mean the 600,000 from heart disease, the 580,000 from cancer, the 200,000 from accidents (not just cars) are calculable? What about the few 10's of millions that are going to die from malnutrition as a result of the largest global recession in history as a result of the covid mitigation? Do you think the Times will publish their names on Memorial Day or are mostly poor, mostly brown people calculable as well?
100,000 people didn't die between March and June 700,000 people died between March and June. Covid is a serious thing and new data about it is being found every day. There are always outliers in everything but the fact, and it's a fact that covid aggressively attacks the elderly and infirm has been established since it began in China. Team lockdown keeps trying to use outliers to invalidate that fact but it's a fact. 99.98% of all people under the age of 50 who are confirmed to have covid will survive it. That's fact not supposition. Otherwise more than one person from the Roosevelt would have died. 4800 people, no social distancing for 7 weeks, 860 confirmed cases, two months later 1 death. One and if he didn't smoke it might have been zero because of those 4800 only six were admitted to the hospital.
The attached graph is again from the CDC look it up yourself [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex[/URL].
It shows the distribution of deaths by age of covid from February 1 through May 16. I added the horizontal red line. Everything below it is age 55 and less. I'm not cherry picking shit, that's every covid death in the US since February broken down by age. Once you get below 44 your chances of dying in a car wreck are greater.
I'm honestly not trying to be a dick. The covid hysteria was fed by bullshit and inaccurate models. Since then science has learned and these are the facts. It's why the new case count and death counts have steadily fallen since the states reopened. It's why Sweden didn't get the 75,000 deaths that the epidemiologists predicted they would have by the end of March. Covid isn't nothing, that's for certain but it's not an extinction level event and people need to stop treating it like it is.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4801358]Pimping dead people to advance a political agenda is abhorrent. They called the 100,000 incalculable. Does that mean the 600,000 from heart disease, the 580,000 from cancer, the 200,000 from accidents (not just cars) are calculable? What about the few 10's of millions that are going to die from malnutrition as a result of the largest global recession in history as a result of the covid mitigation? Do you think the Times will publish their names on Memorial Day or are mostly poor, mostly brown people calculable as well?
100,000 people didn't die between March and June 700,000 people died between March and June. Covid is a serious thing and new data about it is being found every day. There are always outliers in everything but the fact, and it's a fact that covid aggressively attacks the elderly and infirm has been established since it began in China. Team lockdown keeps trying to use outliers to invalidate that fact but it's a fact. 99.98% of all people under the age of 50 who are confirmed to have covid will survive it. That's fact not supposition. Otherwise more than one person from the Roosevelt would have died. 4800 people, no social distancing for 7 weeks, 860 confirmed cases, two months later 1 death. One and if he didn't smoke it might have been zero because of those 4800 only six were admitted to the hospital.
The attached graph is again from the CDC look it up yourself [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex[/URL].
It shows the distribution of deaths by age of covid from February 1 through May 16. I added the horizontal red line. Everything below it is age 55 and less. I'm not cherry picking shit, that's every covid death in the US since February broken down by age. Once you get below 44 your chances of dying in a car wreck are greater.
I'm honestly not trying to be a dick. The covid hysteria was fed by bullshit and inaccurate models. Since then science has learned and these are the facts. It's why the new case count and death counts have steadily fallen since the states reopened. It's why Sweden didn't get the 75,000 deaths that the epidemiologists predicted they would have by the end of March. Covid isn't nothing, that's for certain but it's not an extinction level event and people need to stop treating it like it is.[/QUOTE]If you saw the NY times which mentioned each name age and a small bit of who they were. 50 out of the 1000 were between 22 and 60, about 5 percent.
Agree that most people are symptom free and will do just fine.
If you happen to be in the unlucky group who dies a significant number were under 60 which is why a said not casually that it is not uncommon to die at 60 or under if you are in the dead pool.
My only point is whether you are 20 or 120 one needs to be careful to avoid getting infected.
Moving forward AMP will be opening soon and the MT who I have kept in contact with are petrified to come back to work. Probably cultural.
I most likely have a bias because having worked the front lines for 3 months I have seen more deaths young and old in 3 months then in 3 years.
Statistics I get but take the blinders off.
Any plans to add any Massage Parlor Reports to this section. Are any open in the area?