Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6831183]From her profile text she gives off rinser vibes. I gave it a shot anyway. From her DM she feels like a platonic dreamer.

I'd be interested in an arrangement like that, but I think we should start off with a casual date in public first to get to know each other. I would also like to make it clear I have 0 interest in performing any intimate acts, so if that is okay with you, I would be willing to share my private photos.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20ec5bad-a728-4c42-b408-a6f31291152d[/URL][/QUOTE]Talked to her yesterday. She want 1.5-2 for the pleasure of drinking coffee in front of you. Delusional.

I've been talking to this one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f051e518-0e65-48ad-abde-788bd672d279[/URL]

SweetOne.

She seems some what doable but flakey. Has anyone reached out to her?

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6831570]Talked to her yesterday. She want 1.5-2 for the pleasure of drinking coffee in front of you. Delusional.[/QUOTE]Just my 2 cents.

I agree once they start asking for cash to just meet up, it's not going to get better. I've learned recently that some women are paying attention to SA's change to a "Dating Site" and have modified their profiles to attract less attention by moderators (though I doubt SA even cares). I've contacted a few women who seemed to be interested in a platonic relationship and 100% of them seem to want to cash out easy. But there are also women who seem like they are looking for a relationship but just using that as a cover for some good old fashion pay to play!

Question for the fellas.

Has anyone tried WYP? I see a lot of the same women on that site as I do on SA but a lot of them seem more active on WYP. Yes that may be because they can get paid for a "dinner date" and though that goes against my principals, sometime just getting in the conversation is half the battle. I would say I have a decent in person game. So are there any success stories or is it just full of dinner date rinser?

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6832243]Question for the fellas.

Has anyone tried WYP? I see a lot of the same women on that site as I do on SA but a lot of them seem more active on WYP. Yes that may be because they can get paid for a "dinner date" and though that goes against my principals, sometime just getting in the conversation is half the battle. I would say I have a decent in person game. So are there any success stories or is it just full of dinner date rinser?[/QUOTE]We should actively avoid WYP. Yes there are real chicks there but the site inflates their egos waaaaaaaay too much.

I can't offer anything definitive. I'm happy with my rotation and have not been messaging anyone lately. However, I do keep a stripped down, free lurking account on SA where I have a favorites list of profiles for future reference. She caught my eye a while back and over time I've noticed she has gradually added an additional picture or two and tweaked her profile text. Now I see she is showing her face as well. In my experience, these are positive signs and increase the likelihood that she's real. Good luck and tell us how you do!

[QUOTE=ReadyToTumble;6831655]I've been talking to this one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f051e518-0e65-48ad-abde-788bd672d279[/URL]

SweetOne.

She seems some what doable but flakey. Has anyone reached out to her?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6832738]We should actively avoid WYP. Yes there are real chicks there but the site inflates their egos waaaaaaaay too much.[/QUOTE]I went on 3 first dates with some beautiful WYP chicks. None wanted an arrangement. They only want to be paid to eat or drink. It's a waste of time. Worse than SA because you really pay for nothing worthwhile. 3 strikes and you're out. Never again.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6832738]We should actively avoid WYP. Yes there are real chicks there but the site inflates their egos waaaaaaaay too much.[/QUOTE]WYP is strictly a scam site. Messages from "local" girls that turn out to not be local. I complained top WYP, they don't give refunds, etc.

Stay off that site.

GG.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6832007]Just my 2 cents.

I agree once they start asking for cash to just meet up, it's not going to get better. I've learned recently that some women are paying attention to SA's change to a "Dating Site" and have modified their profiles [b]to attract less attention by moderators (though I doubt SA even cares).[/b] I've contacted a few women who seemed to be interested in a platonic relationship and 100% of them seem to want to cash out easy. But there are also women who seem like they are looking for a relationship but just using that as a cover for some good old fashion pay to play![/QUOTE]Hey Myth I agree paying for a Meet and Greet (M&G) is usually a scam and likely a girl who saw a TikToc video on how easy it is to get funds from guys.

As far as SA goes, yeah, they do kinda care about their site being used as a place for prostitution. The reason for the rebranding was the passage of the FOSTA / SESTA Law (thank you Backpage! NOT!) which makes the owner both criminally and civilly liable for prostitution, under-aged and sex trafficking on their website. Thus the rebranding to a "vanilla" dating site. Also, to provide some legal protection, they employ BOTs to scan profiles and messages to keep prostitution out. That is why we see so many reports about guys getting banned over there: because they slip up and talk about sex for money, etc. (got to take all of that p2 p convo stuff offsite!

But as time passes, the history is forgotten and a lot of people find SA and think it is a regular vanilla dating site. SO. That adds to the sifting, sorting and time wasting to find a SB on the site.

I will says this, as I come to the end of yet another month on SA. If youse can't find a girl who is DTF, perhaps a change of approach is in order. Most of what I have found are escort-lite girls: girls who want o meet and collect an "allowance" but have no intention to, nor no clue how to go about the 'relationship' part of a true, classic SD-SB relationship. Finding a true SB these days is a few orders of magnitude difficult that it was pre-pandemic.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6834345]I will says this, as I come to the end of yet another month on SA. If youse can't find a girl who is DTF, perhaps a change of approach is in order. Most of what I have found are escort-lite girls: girls who want o meet and collect an "allowance" but have no intention to, nor no clue how to go about the 'relationship' part of a true, classic SD-SB relationship. Finding a true SB these days is a few orders of magnitude difficult that it was pre-pandemic.[/QUOTE]And this is exactly why it's been such a challenge for me to find a replacement partner. I was with the previous lady for 8 months. She was layed off at work. She found a new job in NYC. Too far and too inconvenient to continue our arrangement. We had a legit SD / SB relationship. That's what I'm looking for again. Not Escort-lite but that's all these GenZ ladies seem to be offering. Feels like they want to bang as many paying dudes as possible who meet their standards. Too much STD risk for my tastes. Oh well. This will take a lot of effort and time. If I'm fortunate enough to find it again.

The biggest problem is that simping in general has gotten out of control. Women can make money just by making an onlyfans or something these days, never showing their face, and sometimes not even showing anything really private. One of the top onlyfans girls doesn't even do any hardcore stuff, and she literally has a 7 figure income, and IMO isn't THAT attractive. Some other girl made 7 figures annually not even showing boobs, and selling supposed "used" lingerie and stuff like that.

And as much as we complain on here about rinsers and people with "unrealistic" expectations, the top tier women on seeking are able to get hundreds of dollars for platonic dates. Why put the extra work and risk of laying on your back on a bed with a stranger, when you can make decent money without having to do anything like that? That's what we, as people who actually want physical intimacy, are competing against.

And the problem is these top tier women boast on forums and social media about how they get this money doing platonic stuff, and then every non top tier woman thinks they shouldn't settle for less either, even though they don't bring anything to the table otherwise.

Also it warps these womens perceptions of men because some of these weak dudes are so desperate and willing to do whatever, that if you don't agree to some of the stuff these women want, they think YOU'RE the crazy one and YOU'RE being unreasonable.

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6835016]The biggest problem is that simping in general has gotten out of control. Women can make money just by making an onlyfans or something these days, never showing their face, and sometimes not even showing anything really private. One of the top onlyfans girls doesn't even do any hardcore stuff, and she literally has a 7 figure income, and IMO isn't THAT attractive. Some other girl made 7 figures annually not even showing boobs, and selling supposed "used" lingerie and stuff like that.

And as much as we complain on here about rinsers and people with "unrealistic" expectations, the top tier women on seeking are able to get hundreds of dollars for platonic dates. Why put the extra work and risk of laying on your back on a bed with a stranger, when you can make decent money without having to do anything like that? That's what we, as people who actually want physical intimacy, are competing against.

And the problem is these top tier women boast on forums and social media about how they get this money doing platonic stuff, and then every non top tier woman thinks they shouldn't settle for less either, even though they don't bring anything to the table otherwise.

Also it warps these womens perceptions of men because some of these weak dudes are so desperate and willing to do whatever, that if you don't agree to some of the stuff these women want, they think YOU'RE the crazy one and YOU'RE being unreasonable.[/QUOTE]Onlyfans has completed shifted the dynamic for the worse. Its not just the top earners. Its the average girls who are now picking up 2-3 K a month just for posting content. Its insane and its absolutely true. I have long term single mom from Seeking who joined OF 4 years ago and picks up 3 K a month. She is ok looking but not a 10. All her friends are on OF making real money as well. Again- these are not 10's. It may not seem like much but do you know what an extra 2-4 K a month is to a single mom or a minimum wage worker? I don't blame the girls at all I would do the same thing. Why risk meeting a stranger for a M&G for free? Why have sex with a strangers when you can be 100% safe and make money from home? There are still diamonds in the ruff on Seeking but its way, way harder now with OF. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Nate0110;6835064]Onlyfans has completed shifted the dynamic for the worse. Its not just the top earners. Its the average girls who are now picking up 2-3 K a month just for posting content. Its insane and its absolutely true. I have long term single mom from Seeking who joined OF 4 years ago and picks up 3 K a month. She is ok looking but not a 10. All her friends are on OF making real money as well. Again- these are not 10's. It may not seem like much but do you know what an extra 2-4 K a month is to a single mom or a minimum wage worker? I don't blame the girls at all I would do the same thing. Why risk meeting a stranger for a M&G for free? Why have sex with a strangers when you can be 100% safe and make money from home? There are still diamonds in the ruff on Seeking but its way, way harder now with OF. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Let's be real here; anyone with a functioning brain knows that only a very few women earn anything substantial from onlyfans. A report was actually released that state on average, most creators earn something like 300 or less per month. We create the market, not them. She is only work what you are willing to spend in philly. I personally know several very attractive women who believed the onlyfans hype, created an account, and earned next to nothing. The problem is the one or two women who earn millions seem to have the loudest voice, which is how social media operates. You don't hear from the thousands of unpopular girls who earned nothing, and by the way, some of them are on seeking in philly.

It boggles my mind that someone would go on SA, basically a lipstick-on-pig prostitution site, and pay someone for a platonic date. The entire premise of the site is sex in exchange for compensation. Maybe not ppm but some kind of financial remuneration for *sex*. Smh.

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6835016]The biggest problem is that simping in general has gotten out of control. Women can make money just by making an onlyfans or something these days, never showing their face, and sometimes not even showing anything really private. One of the top onlyfans girls doesn't even do any hardcore stuff, and she literally has a 7 figure income, and IMO isn't THAT attractive. Some other girl made 7 figures annually not even showing boobs, and selling supposed "used" lingerie and stuff like that.

And as much as we complain on here about rinsers and people with "unrealistic" expectations, the top tier women on seeking are able to get hundreds of dollars for platonic dates. Why put the extra work and risk of laying on your back on a bed with a stranger, when you can make decent money without having to do anything like that? That's what we, as people who actually want physical intimacy, are competing against.

And the problem is these top tier women boast on forums and social media about how they get this money doing platonic stuff, and then every non top tier woman thinks they shouldn't settle for less either, even though they don't bring anything to the table otherwise.

Also it warps these womens perceptions of men because some of these weak dudes are so desperate and willing to do whatever, that if you don't agree to some of the stuff these women want, they think YOU'RE the crazy one and YOU'RE being unreasonable.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd4478de-4a6e-46a0-9f89-65d6f6a373c3[/URL]

Sorta cute, she looked better in person. Went to meet and greet and we hung out for like 20 minutes or so and got pizza in south Philly. She's both a pro and a stripper but seemed like she was cool to be more exclusive. Was cool to negotiate too. Went downhill real fast though. Ended up "falling asleep" for a scheduled meet. She apologized and since I was going to be in Philly the next day anyway, figured we'd try again. The godamn annoying thing was how much she kept asking and making sure I was serious to meet. Then does the same thing again two nights in a row. Even though I was going to use that as a reason to give her less, she disappeared. Used a burner number to make sure she wasn't hospitalized or something and of course she was answering the burner number. Some days later she called my number in the middle of the night and I wasn't sure who it was but I texted her and she was messaging back some BS about some guy she knows has just a few weeks to live even though he was supposed to have several months. Yeah whatever. And that made the story she told me about some guy that was her SD before and he OD'ed and died even less believable with her having Another person she sees in such bad shape. Turns out she had left a voicemail on that call and she was screaming at some guy that she said was her ex. Too trash psycho to bother put up with by that point.