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[QUOTE=RichHead;4802161]

First one I wanted to see was positivevibeschick. Her review on here was decent (I saw the review on her on here few weeks ago) minus clingyness but I can deal with that.

Started talking to her just now and just casual convo but since being new on SA idk how to move on to actual meeting. I mean I would think it ain't no TNA so I can say hey lets meet up at 6 pm for an hr session like that but how do I smoothly switch to suggesting to meet?

It's also a little different than dating because if I took that approach, I'd probably be talking to her for weeks before I can set something up.

Please share your experience and wisdom! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I too met with positivevibeschick a few times like a year and a half ago. Agree with the observations made by others, she is a little bigger that she seems on her pictures, but at the same time she looks younger than her posted age, I found her really sexy, the only reason I did not keep seeing her was that even though she is really good at sucking cock, once you have been inside of her (no matter where) she refuses to go down on you again, as she said she does not like the taste of her own juices, but for me that is a must. (Of course that might have been a YMMV kind of situation, she might do it with others but with me that was a consistent no-no)

Now how to approach her or in general any other sort of non pro (meaning not an escort on disguise), DO NOT mention hourly meetings, its just not in your best interest, first they might get offended and second you would be limiting yourself, one of the beauties of SA chicks is that you get to fuck them for several hours for around the price of an hour on TNA.

In particular with positivevibeschick what worked with me was some very explicit texting, on how I was going to fuck her, etc. Actually, the first time I met her, we were having a super hot and steamy texting session late at night and she just invited to come over and fuck her, I went straight to her place like at 3 am and fucked her for 2-3 hours. For our second meeting she said what happened the first night was very unusual and that she wanted to meet at a coffee shop first, which we did and then went back to her place to fuck for a few hours. So get her horny over text and then ask her to meet you, do not push to go straight to her place unless she suggests it, invite her for a beer or coffee, since you already chatted about fucking she would know what you want, she would just check you in person to make sure you are a not a creep, then just tell her you want to go to her place and you would be good to go. In my experience after steamy text, once you meet them in a public place you would end up fucking them. Another advice do not mention money, unless she brings it up. More often than not I have discussed that after fucking them.

[QUOTE=RichHead;4802161]So, this morning, for having a vouch for one of the TNA members in March and for her to post an ad with one stolen pic from the other provider TODAY in May, one of the yappers gave me a negative red jelly bean. Sick of this providers run this shit and hobbyists must leave a stellar review for sub par service.

I just got a premium pass on SA. I am thinking of going for SA route for a while till TNA gets somewhat revamped (if it ever does).

First one I wanted to see was positivevibeschick. Her review on here was decent (I saw the review on her on here few weeks ago) minus clingyness but I can deal with that.

Started talking to her just now and just casual convo but since being new on SA idk how to move on to actual meeting. I mean I would think it ain't no TNA so I can say hey lets meet up at 6 pm for an hr session like that but how do I smoothly switch to suggesting to meet?

It's also a little different than dating because if I took that approach, I'd probably be talking to her for weeks before I can set something up.

Please share your experience and wisdom! Thanks.[/QUOTE]In the prev-covid days, when I was ready to move to an actual meeting, I would ask if she would like to meet for coffee or drinks so we could chat in person. I would be clear that this was a non-paid session for us to get better acquainted and decide if we wanted to move forward with an arrangement. For me this accomplished a few things. I could see if the person matched the pictures, see what her personality was really like and it gave us a chance to discuss arrangement specifics that may not have been discussed through texting. It was also a test to see if she would actually show up. If she couldn't be on time or didn't show up for a coffee meet-up the chances of her showing up for a meet-up was zero as well but the difference was that I would only waste an hour of my time versus a bigger block of my time and the the cost of the getting a place. Additionally all of the SB's that I've had good arrangements with welcomed the opportunity to meet in person before agreeing to hooking up. Most of the pros or SB's who were only focused on money would balk at the idea. Depending on my schedule and how I feel things were developing I would suggest that we would decide to hook up on a different date after our coffee chat or we could hook up right after the coffee chat.

Other guys my have different approaches that work for them but this has worked well for me.

[QUOTE=BirdWatching;4802864]How do you get a SA premium pass?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]You can get a one-day pass for $3. 00, but you have to buy 30 of them at a time.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/billing/memberships[/URL]

[QUOTE=Twister100;4802994]In the prev-covid days, when I was ready to move to an actual meeting, I would ask if she would like to meet for coffee or drinks so we could chat in person. I would be clear that this was a non-paid session for us to get better acquainted and decide if we wanted to move forward with an arrangement. For me this accomplished a few things. I could see if the person matched the pictures, see what her personality was really like and it gave us a chance to discuss arrangement specifics that may not have been discussed through texting. It was also a test to see if she would actually show up. If she couldn't be on time or didn't show up for a coffee meet-up the chances of her showing up for a meet-up was zero as well but the difference was that I would only waste an hour of my time versus a bigger block of my time and the the cost of the getting a place. Additionally all of the SB's that I've had good arrangements with welcomed the opportunity to meet in person before agreeing to hooking up. Most of the pros or SB's who were only focused on money would balk at the idea. Depending on my schedule and how I feel things were developing I would suggest that we would decide to hook up on a different date after our coffee chat or we could hook up right after the coffee chat.

Other guys my have different approaches that work for them but this has worked well for me.[/QUOTE]That's a good point how to publicly meet now days. I have only met one SB during these times at the early days. We met outside a coffee shop and had coffee and pastries in my car then to a hotel.

[QUOTE=DelToro;4803045]That's a good point how to publicly meet now days. I have only met one SB during these times at the early days. We met outside a coffee shop and had coffee and pastries in my car then to a hotel.[/QUOTE]Coffee, drinks, I've even done a walk in the park. Coffee just because coffee shops are everywhere and you don't have to worry if she's old enough to drink and it looks less like a date. Any public venue works since SB's are less stressed about meeting a stranger there. Most coffee shops are pretty noisy and crowded so after we meet and get our drinks and after some preliminary chit-chat, I'll usually suggest going for a walk or moving to a nearby public spot like some outdoor benches that is less crowded and noisy so we can talk in private.

[QUOTE=RichHead;4802161]So, this morning, for having a vouch for one of the TNA members in March and for her to post an ad with one stolen pic from the other provider TODAY in May, one of the yappers gave me a negative red jelly bean. Sick of this providers run this shit and hobbyists must leave a stellar review for sub par service.

I just got a premium pass on SA. I am thinking of going for SA route for a while till TNA gets somewhat revamped (if it ever does).

First one I wanted to see was positivevibeschick. Her review on here was decent (I saw the review on her on here few weeks ago) minus clingyness but I can deal with that.

Started talking to her just now and just casual convo but since being new on SA idk how to move on to actual meeting. I mean I would think it ain't no TNA so I can say hey lets meet up at 6 pm for an hr session like that but how do I smoothly switch to suggesting to meet?

It's also a little different than dating because if I took that approach, I'd probably be talking to her for weeks before I can set something up.

Please share your experience and wisdom! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing is "by the hour. " If they starting talking about hourly rates, they're a pro and you should bail. Just ask about meeting up. I usually suggest a bar or coffee shop, with my place as an option if they prefer to be discrete. Either way, once you're face to face, after initial small talk, it's usually good to get the particulars out of the way. Don't be shy about what you want. It's why you're both there, 'cause you already know what she wants, just not how much.

Don't send money, don't pay for a meet and greet (but do pick up the tab). If you do either of those things you'll likely be scammed, and you're for sure working with a pro.

It will take a while, but it is worth it to spend the time to filter out the pros.

Has any one met her and what was the experience?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63fdb87c-bda4-ed7f-f9c6-b87e07afd6e0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4803629]Nothing is "by the hour. " If they starting talking about hourly rates, they're a pro and you should bail. Just ask about meeting up. I usually suggest a bar or coffee shop, with my place as an option if they prefer to be discrete. Either way, once you're face to face, after initial small talk, it's usually good to get the particulars out of the way. Don't be shy about what you want. It's why you're both there, 'cause you already know what she wants, just not how much.

Don't send money, don't pay for a meet and greet (but do pick up the tab). If you do either of those things you'll likely be scammed, and you're for sure working with a pro.

It will take a while, but it is worth it to spend the time to filter out the pros.[/QUOTE]I would generally avoid hosting at your home till you've built up a good level of trust. Ditto with sharing any personal information.

[QUOTE=Anonymous420;4803629]Nothing is "by the hour. " If they starting talking about hourly rates, they're a pro and you should bail. Just ask about meeting up. I usually suggest a bar or coffee shop, with my place as an option if they prefer to be discrete. Either way, once you're face to face, after initial small talk, it's usually good to get the particulars out of the way. Don't be shy about what you want. It's why you're both there, 'cause you already know what she wants, just not how much.

Don't send money, don't pay for a meet and greet (but do pick up the tab). If you do either of those things you'll likely be scammed, and you're for sure working with a pro.

It will take a while, but it is worth it to spend the time to filter out the pros.[/QUOTE]I am usually the opposite. I actually go out of my way to find SA profies for providers. I have had great luck so far knowing that they are pros (but they have no clue you know) . I usually get a better menu at a cheaper rate. Than their advertised TNA rates. For one or two I bullt up a rappot for the lower rate before letting them know that I am also on TNA and we share reviews and vouches for each other. For most of them though. I just do them and move on knowing I just got a better date at a lower price. I have noticed that most pros approach SA differently as well. They feel they are talking to "civilians" and tend to behave better than they would while speaking on some hobbyist on TNA. It is a win win in my book.

[QUOTE=BirdWatching;4802864]How do you get a SA premium pass?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Just to try for a month, I set up 89.99 a month recurring and canceled recurring charge immediately.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ae2c34b4-fbcb-1a2d-aabc-38a58f536211[/URL]

Any thoughts? She's been on SA since 2015.

[QUOTE=RichHead;4802161]
Please share your experience and wisdom! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Get ready to sift through a lot of BS. Here's a few tips for sorting through profiles and determining how likely they are to be worth your time.

If she even mentions photos, online, or platonic in her profile move on. Even if she also says she might be open to meeting, she is 99.99% not interested in meeting.

Don't bother with accounts that are only a day or two old. They are often scammers / catfish and will likely be removed soon.

If she is super hot and / or has professional or touched up photos she is likely either a pro or a scammer.

If she initiates contact with you and sends you her number in the first message she is probably a pro.

The younger she is the more likely she is to be a fake / scammer, or looking to sell pics, or will stop responding or no show on meeting. You can find a great SB in the 18-22 range, but you'll spend a lot of time on time wasters before meeting one.

Conversely, women over 30 tend to be very responsive, and very likely to meet up.

I have actually had a great time with one woman that was a stripper, but generally I would avoid them. The almost always want to be paid for a meet and greet and have GPS.

Anyone who describes themselves as a model is going to have GPS.

Wanting to meet up right away without having a meet and greet or having messaged back and forth a bit is a red flag. Sometimes there are great girls who do this, but many of them are disappointing, shady, or pros.

If she right off the bat tells you a big sob story or mentions how she is going through some sort of crisis at the moment, that's another red flag. I've met a few legit girls who have said things like this before meeting, but very often if she says something like how she is going to be evicted soon she is about to try and scam you.

Also, be clear on your own terms and what you're looking for. A lot of SBs are looking for a regular allowance. If that's your thing, OK. But I, and I think most of us on here, prefer PPM arrangements which frees up our resources to sample the wares of other girls. I've had some good experiences with younger girls but the percentage is definitely lower than more mature women. Look at the classic examples of Emily and Sarcasticfungirl as to the difference.

[QUOTE=SaladHermit;4803857]Get ready to sift through a lot of BS. Here's a few tips for sorting through profiles and determining how likely they are to be worth your time.

If she even mentions photos, online, or platonic in her profile move on. Even if she also says she might be open to meeting, she is 99.99% not interested in meeting.

Don't bother with accounts that are only a day or two old. They are often scammers / catfish and will likely be removed soon.

If she is super hot and / or has professional or touched up photos she is likely either a pro or a scammer.

If she initiates contact with you and sends you her number in the first message she is probably a pro.

The younger she is the more likely she is to be a fake / scammer, or looking to sell pics, or will stop responding or no show on meeting. You can find a great SB in the 18-22 range, but you'll spend a lot of time on time wasters before meeting one.

Conversely, women over 30 tend to be very responsive, and very likely to meet up.

I have actually had a great time with one woman that was a stripper, but generally I would avoid them. The almost always want to be paid for a meet and greet and have GPS..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;4803743]I am usually the opposite. I actually go out of my way to find SA profies for providers. I have had great luck so far knowing that they are pros (but they have no clue you know) . I usually get a better menu at a cheaper rate. Than their advertised TNA rates. For one or two I bullt up a rappot for the lower rate before letting them know that I am also on TNA and we share reviews and vouches for each other. For most of them though. I just do them and move on knowing I just got a better date at a lower price. I have noticed that most pros approach SA differently as well. They feel they are talking to "civilians" and tend to behave better than they would while speaking on some hobbyist on TNA. It is a win win in my book.[/QUOTE]

I agree, and I will meet with a pro or two while I'm looking for a regular to keep in shape. The main thing I was trying to get across is that I've been much happier and more satisfied with non-pros, and that it's worth it to put in the time to find a non-pro.

I should have posted this earlier.

So I got the premium account mid March and by mid April I was done with the site.

Before I signed up for premium I use to get a dozen views with 1 or 2 likes a week. The first week was good. Ended up talking to 3 GPS gals which didn't come out until I asked to meet. One said she could talk and give me her full attention if I paid up front [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b0102187-6edf-455d-8cfd-7499bf29d4c9[/URL] . Another wanted to know my net worth before we met (she is gone already). Supposedly she had been seeing a married MS executive. The last one I have her digits but haven't call yet. Little mexican gal in Tacoma [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c088dd26-cd68-4055-b71c-964479c79fdf[/URL] .

So now nobody views me, haven't gotten one like. This is after I messaged at least 30 gals. Before the premium expired I went and looked to see how many actually read the message. A whopping 48% never even opened up the message and this is after a few days of when they were online.

I didn't message anyone under 28 years old and even messaged some in there late forties. If you look almost all of the hoes on there have a 60 year old cap which sucks for me. The good news is all the phucking cunts that don't live here are no longer a problem.

The advice that SaladHermit gave was spot on. I would add that if they don't have a face picture I would pass. Most of them hardly responded and if they do they tend to be chatty with little substance. If they show a lot of skin then be more up front, not nasty you young boneheads, but less beating around the Bush about what you want them to do.

Bottom line when you get old (over 60) you just have to pay a pro more to get something without wrinkles.

Good hunting all.

Peace out!