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[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5703213]Of course it would become a much more welcoming experience for new and old players alike in the kgirl scene if such predatory tactics were stopped. However, it won't.[/QUOTE]It won't if nothing is done about it. That's what they want to happen. But if we emphasize every lie or mistreatment and keep a black book on then, it might change. Change doesn't happen instaneously. It is a function of time.

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So long as there exists kgirls that are average looking, out of shape, (insert any number of dud characteristics here) and bookers that are willing or mandated to push them, these practices will continue. What we can do is to alert others of bookers or girls that have such a history or track record to hopefully preempt another monger from experiencing it.[/QUOTE]Exactly. In other words, to make sure each org / booker / ring of girls have a reputation that they can't wash away with rebrand or rename. So many protect the girls but where's protection of mongers from predatory practice?

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That's why I advise against disclosing that you write reviews do to bookers or girls. Just play dumb and say that you don't, full stop. Now for whatever reason you did or somehow your reviews / posts contained details that could be traced back to you. Well, you fucked up.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree here. Why do you shift the blame to mongers instead of entity that does unfair shit? Its a piece of shit tactics to rag on mongers reviews if they are honest and truthful. The orgs can take a dick, they can take a harsh but truthful review.

You want a tale? From some reviews posted in a private, mind you, group, org lackeys were able to connect a review to the monger. This is a private fucking group for bay area with only about 100 members and maybe 35 active. Forget about public forum.

If you want to warn others of bad product, you ideally do on day 1. There are only so many mongers who see a girl on the first day, so it can be traced back easily. Either more mongers are misled or you are caught by org lapdogs. It's really not as easy as tell them you don't write reviews. And it's really not your fault that you got caught by them deciphering your monger persona. Any details you mention, any specific deeds, etc will further expose you. But you want there to be more details for your fellow mongers! Why do we have to cower in fear that some org will threaten us for writing truthful and honest recap. Even worse, if they have all your pii info they can go far with blackmail.

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Retire the handle and take up a new one if you want help others, the community, and as a result yourself going forward.[/QUOTE]Many handles build up cred to be credible. A new handle review is often viewed through a prism of suspicion. Changing handles all the time is not even a bandaid solution, much less a solution. I personally never trust new handles with glowing reviews. They are usually shills or fake reviews aimed to stir up business. And they are rather obvious.

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I never said reviews shouldn't matter. I stated that it should be inconsequential in the matter of how standing is determined.
[/QUOTE]But they are! Many mongers reported a situation during covid where a PO texted a monger and chided them for "harsh" reviews during "harsh" times. The fuck? If your product sucks don't let the door hit it on the way out. Harsh review my ass. Mongers have reported an org telling them to not write a negative review again to take it down or else they be BLd. The only time orgs are ok with negative review is when a girl leaves. Then they don't give a shit. Hell I knew an org that would have own shills write bad review of girl right after she left, trying to preserve the illusion of credibility of these shills.

If orgs can bl you for a truthful and honest review, reviews surely impact your standing. Come on now.

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1. I already addressed this above. This is not going to change and is out of our immediate control. PSA's, posts, and reviews are the only mitigation measures we can take.[/QUOTE]It is not outside of our immediate control. If we point finger and say the name of every single agency org and girl that employs such tactic, loudly on a public forum, after doing it for a long time, they might just start putting out more truthful info out there. Shiiit even some gilf corgs in my area have more truthful body pics than korgs do. And worst thing is? You can't walk or they threaten to bl you. You are paying for a pig in a poke, a blind date, and rolling the dice. And you can't even walk because booker got you spooked with threats of bl that extends to other orgs in your area. And if they got your pii you might be done for.

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2. By how frequently you circle back to this point, I can only assume that you or monger (s) you know were in that type situation. Ideally, you don't want any bookers or girls to know that you write reviews. As this can and will become a weakness that can be leveraged against you. Again, addressed above. Restart with a new handle and learn to limit information that can be tied to you. This also goes for sharing with other mongers directly, there's no need to divulge any details specific to you to anyone. If questioned why you stopped writing reviews, just come up something plausible. I don't think they'll punish you for no longer writing reviews. As for me, I've been questioned by bookers about reviews / handles and have been asked by many girls to review them but I've always been consistent in saying that I don't review. Consistency is the key as you never know if the girls or bookers are back channeling on you with each other. Keep in mind that the amount of mongers that do review is a very small slice of the active monger pool.
[/QUOTE]And once again, I disagree.

Orgs have long reach. They got some insider mongerd doing errands and watching boards for them. Many many times I've had mongers complain that the org figured out who they were. The review and feedback system is for them to get feedback. , not to advertise their product. I don't give two shits about their biz. It is not our fault that in order to warn mongers many write their review on the same day or the day after, therefore letting orgs figure out who is who.

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3. This is a matter of perspective in my opinion. And as such I can only speak for myself. We're all adults here. Who I ultimately choose to see, how it turns out, and the consequences that arises thereafter falls squarely on my shoulders. I have a responsiblity to myself to research and evaluate to the best of my ability that a specific kgirl is worth seeing. The mentalities of others and their willingness to share information or post reviews are out of my control. Therefore, I can only rely on what's available to me, red herring and all. It's all a part of this broken and dysfunctional system we call kgirls which even leaves the best of us muddled at times.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree but you again did not give a direct answer. Here, let's reduce it to absurdity. Stand by truth and lose all access to Korean pussy as peddled by all org in your metro area. Or appease the org and keep your standing. This was my question from the beginning. I feel like I might understand what your answer is, but I prefer to have it said more directly without sugarcoating or fluff. You know my answer. Bros hoes. Truth lies.

[QUOTE=SuperMan333;5703059]Bay Area SweetAngels Leah.[/QUOTE]Any good? This Radeon girl?

[URL]https://sweetangels.ch/leah[/URL]

Shows GFE. Was she pse in LA?

This is the best advice I've seen in a long time.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5703570]How's this for an idea. Make a call or send a text, make an appointment and go get laid. If you like it maybe go back. If you don't just move on. That's what this business used to be all about.[/QUOTE].

Saw Tiana on Thursday her first day I think and overall I would rate her a little above average. She is about 5'2" maybe 5'3" probably 110 lbs, she has a very cute face about B size tits, small waist line a little bit of some stomach fat and some rolls actually depending on position but definitely not fat but nowhere close to spinner which I prefer, her thighs are thick also. She seems new as her kissing technique was not too good sticks tongue out doesn't really know how to dfk but she tries so probably just needs practice or time to learn, good attitude allowed one cip then massage after which consisted of just her squeezing my legs the entire time so that was weird too again probably just new to the game. Overall I enjoyed my time and it was not the most disappointing time but I would not repeat myself only because I prefer spinners, but worth a try as she gains experience over time, those that like eunji she kind of reminds me of that body type so thicker bottom half but not fat and easy on the eyes, absolutely zero english also as when I asked to switch positions and her on bottom she thought I wanted a condom and opened one up even though we had already been raw dogging it for 10 minutes LOL.

M. Allie, Viki.

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Sexy Angels. [URL]https://sexyangels.site/[/URL] Jenny [URL]https://sexyangels.site/[/URL] Jenny.

SFK. [URL]https://sexyfunkgirls.escortbook.com/[/URL] Tiana, Viki.

[QUOTE=PsuGuy911;5704542]Saw Tiana on Thursday her first day I think and overall I would rate her a little above average. She is about 5'2" maybe 5'3" probably 110 lbs, she has a very cute face about B size tits, small waist line a little bit of some stomach fat and some rolls actually depending on position but definitely not fat but nowhere close to spinner which I prefer, her thighs are thick also. She seems new as her kissing technique was not too good sticks tongue out doesn't really know how to dfk but she tries so probably just needs practice or time to learn, good attitude allowed one cip then massage after which consisted of just her squeezing my legs the entire time so that was weird too again probably just new to the game. Overall I enjoyed my time and it was not the most disappointing time but I would not repeat myself only because I prefer spinners, but worth a try as she gains experience over time, those that like eunji she kind of reminds me of that body type so thicker bottom half but not fat and easy on the eyes, absolutely zero english also as when I asked to switch positions and her on bottom she thought I wanted a condom and opened one up even though we had already been raw dogging it for 10 minutes LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review. Was about to book but rolls my dick soft.

Is the site down? I can't access the website anymore.

Ever notice a review that says DT when you saw the same girl and it wasn't even close. How is that possible. Well, the moral of that story is the the smaller the cock the deeper the throat and that equation goes for anal as well. If it's too long or too wide the service will not be the same. There may be a few exceptions to the rule like Nora / Chadoney but as a rule size matters and small size matters most. YMMV.

[QUOTE=LandOfKGirls;5703942]Yeah, that's good advice. I vote with my wallet. If a girl's bad I don't go back or, if I get that info from a trusted monger, I'll stay away. I honestly don't give a shit about the orgs most of the time and consider them a necessary evil. If there's a girl I want to see I'll see her. I'm not fucking the booker or boss after all.[/QUOTE]Nope, that's a horrible advice for a two-way business. Good advice for free pussy. But as paying customers, it's not good advice at all.

Customers spend time and money based on promise (pcis) that are often fake, from face to body.

In an actual business where both sides matter equally (customer and supplier) if you are promised a product and are given something different, you can expect customer not only to be indignant and refuse the sale, but also demand a refund for their time. Some mongers drive for hour or more to get to incall. I don't have to tell ya'll LA folks about driving times do I?

In this biz, it's not how it works. Many people explicitly said they're afraid to walk in order to not anger booker or trigger bl. It's not a matter of "going back", it's a matter of not paying a single penny-and maybe even getting refunded for your time. If you were misled. If this was to be fair, orgs would allow unlimited, infinite walks if a girl body is not what it is advertised in ad. To everyone, not just VIP people who spent thousands in the org. Then subpar product would not earn any money, and organically orgs would strive to hire better quality or show wysiwyg body pics.

As is, a subpar product still earns money during the first week when cats not out of the bag yet. People stay with subpar product, while being misled, and many times not enjoying the girl at all. All because they are scared to lose their standing and potentially be BLd. As well as they have this thought in head that's its just rite of passage and next time they'll get a hottie from this org.

And if you're BLd at one place, great chance it could extend elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5703570]How's this for an idea. Make a call or send a text, make an appointment and go get laid. If you like it maybe go back. If you don't just move on. That's what this business used to be all about.[/QUOTE]This business used to be about advertising real pictures with maybe a bit of blurring around the face and kgirls that prided themselves in their service too. But those halcyon days has passed. While it was always a gamble with service, at least you had a good idea of who was behind the door then. For the prices we're shelling out, a realistic picture isn't unreasonable in my estimate. Now it's a game of "Whose behind door number 2" and the odds are in favor of the house winning 100% of the time whether we mongers enjoyed our time or survived a trauma. That simplistic approach of yours died post FOSTA for any monger who values how they spend their hard earned money.

[QUOTE=BinRob;5704902]Is the site down? I can't access the website anymore.[/QUOTE]They were especially flakey lately. Probably out of business.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5704207]It won't if nothing is done about it. That's what they want to happen. But if we emphasize every lie or mistreatment and keep a black book on then, it might change. Change doesn't happen instaneously. It is a function of time.

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[QUOTE=RocketManP;5704207]It won't if nothing is done about it. That's what they want to happen. But if we emphasize every lie or mistreatment and keep a black book on then, it might change. Change doesn't happen instaneously. It is a function of time.
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[/QUOTE]While I enjoyed our discussion, it's getting a bit long in the tooth and not truly suitable for this thread. I'm surprised we haven't been admonished by the admins for how off topic we were. As such, I'll relay my final musings and you can make of it what you will.

In regards to the predatory tactics employed by various agencies, I think with outlets such as this board and review sites most mongers now are better able to assess for themselves the pros and cons for the majority of kgirls that show up. But I believe those tactics won't stop, even with cautionary posts and honest reviews, because the main motivating factors why bookers use those tactics (greed and kgirls of poor quality whether that be looks or service) won't be disappearing any time soon. In addition, the effects accomplished and seen by those posts and reviews haven't dissuade bookers to change their tune. That's where we fundamentally disagree, I think.

The threat of blacklisting, doxxing, backlash, or whatever you want to call it from bookers and agencies has always been one of the few tools that they had in their arsenal to mete out punishment as necessary. You paint a picture too black and white in my opinion. I think some of us forget that these measures are necessary as a deterrent to keep the girls safe also. Because let's face it, a few of us mongers aren't the best of examples either. But, the dynamics of the game hasn't changed in the least. If you wanted to speak your mind and / or help warn others, you needed to be duplicitous in action to both see the next rotation of kgirls while protecting yourself through anonymity and not outing yourself in the process, both then and now. By your own admission, there are fellow mongers looking to curry favor with agencies and would gladly backstab you in the dark. I think private groups serve a good purpose and has a place in this space, but far too often it lends a false sense of security, dropping your guard. The paradigm of maintaining a balance of keeping access to kgirls while voicing dissent, unveiling injustices, and providing succor to those that need it has always existed. Some of us knew the risks, a few didn't, others didn't care, and the rest failed to keep themselves covert. There's no shifting of blame here, the game was the way it is well before my entry onto the field and likely yours too, I would imagine.

If given the choice of maintaining standing or tell the truth then I would most likely choose the former. For one, it's a hobby I enjoy, having carefully and successfully meandered through screening hell. Second, it's far more easier to create another handle and vent any dissatisfaction, unfairness, or misgivings to others and the community. The question you pose isn't realistic and too binary. Everyone comes into the kgirl scene for various reasons and we're all afforded the option to be as selfish or altruistic as we see fit.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5705482]This business used to be about advertising real pictures with maybe a bit of blurring around the face and kgirls that prided themselves in their service too. But those halcyon days has passed. While it was always a gamble with service, at least you had a good idea of who was behind the door then. For the prices we're shelling out, a realistic picture isn't unreasonable in my estimate. Now it's a game of "Whose behind door number 2" and the odds are in favor of the house winning 100% of the time whether we mongers enjoyed our time or survived a trauma. That simplistic approach of yours died post FOSTA for any monger who values how they spend their hard earned money.[/QUOTE]It hasn't died for me. The most reliable agencies as far as pics go are PKL, SFK and M. Also Sexy Angels when Jenny is available now that she has her original pics back. It doesn't take a genius to figure out where the legitimate pics are and then with a little bit of research with others on the board finding what I want is no great trick. If there are agencies with fake pics and you know it then why bother with them? Rarely have I been surprised when the door opens. Like with any other product stick with a name brand. I'm no genius but it's quite easy to know which agencies to avoid.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5705336]Nope, that's a horrible advice for a two-way business. Good advice for free pussy. But as paying customers, it's not good advice at all.

Customers spend time and money based on promise (pcis) that are often fake, from face to body.

In an actual business where both sides matter equally (customer and supplier) if you are promised a product and are given something different, you can expect customer not only to be indignant and refuse the sale, but also demand a refund for their time. Some mongers drive for hour or more to get to incall. I don't have to tell ya'll LA folks about driving times do I?

In this biz, it's not how it works. Many people explicitly said they're afraid to walk in order to not anger booker or trigger bl. It's not a matter of "going back", it's a matter of not paying a single penny-and maybe even getting refunded for your time. If you were misled. If this was to be fair, orgs would allow unlimited, infinite walks if a girl body is not what it is advertised in ad. To everyone, not just VIP people who spent thousands in the org. Then subpar product would not earn any money, and organically orgs would strive to hire better quality or show wysiwyg body pics.

As is, a subpar product still earns money during the first week when cats not out of the bag yet. People stay with subpar product, while being misled, and many times not enjoying the girl at all. All because they are scared to lose their standing and potentially be BLd. As well as they have this thought in head that's its just rite of passage and next time they'll get a hottie from this org.

And if you're BLd at one place, great chance it could extend elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Not my experience at all. A little bit of time and common sense goes a long way. If you don't like your rib eye at Mastro's can you give it back and walk. Let's not turn this thing into a magical mystery tour. Maybe add one more thing to my list. PM a monger who posted a review. Or maybe find a new hobby.

[QUOTE=BobLove;5705495]They were especially flakey lately. Probably out of business.[/QUOTE]I think the booker at 2 pop may have alienated too many mongers and hence big boss terminated his / her site.