[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1283805]Thanks for the report Drock. So what's the sugar damage?
BigTigg.[/QUOTE]Sugar damage was $$.5
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[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1283805]Thanks for the report Drock. So what's the sugar damage?
BigTigg.[/QUOTE]Sugar damage was $$.5
Welcome to the board DR. Did you come up with the $$.5 or did your SB ask?
And a question for Big Tigger. I joined sugar daddie and found loads of girls but they are all statewide. Is there any way to narrow the search area once you join? Most sites have a search radius of your choice by mileage. Thanks.
Re : BP DPS babe. Got a date this week and I really like the $ sugar for multipop all nighter. If we had access to a FC and didn't have to pay for a notel this game would be a lot cheaper.
I have a FC of my own but I can't risk using it for new talent until I trust them. Anyone got a FC they want to rent by the hour?
Gentlemen,
I just discovered that my third On The Road sb, SB12, has a blog in which she describes, in a very humorous way, her dating exploits, which include boys her same age and obviously older men, some of whom come from cites other than her own. No names are mentioned, and no identifying details are given, so I have no worries that I will be outed.
Rather, much to my chagrin, I have not, so far, been written about, and it has been over two months! Should I be grateful, relieved, or insulted?
I found her blog by googling her email address, which, ironically, is what the past unpleasantness that caused me to boycott this thread for a few months was about. I know some of you thought I was stalking these little fish, but I assure you I was not; just trying to get as complete a picture as possible before I went any further. There are a lot of nutcases out there, and quite frankly I don't want to take my pants off and then find out I'm dealing with one.
Back to SB12's blog, I now check it every week or so, hoping to recognize my story in the post about 'Mr. Totally Hot Older Dude Who Made Me Cum Like 5 Times' or something like that. So far, no joy. If I do get mentioned, (but only in a positive way) , I will let the brethren know. In the meantime, take a minute and search sugar baby blogs. There are several of them out there, and they provide an interesting, and not always flattering-to-us insight into the mindset of an SB. I am sure there are useful bits of intel that will help us all increase our contact-to-fucking percentage. Let us all know what you find.
In the meantime, keep up the good work,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1286114]I just discovered that my third On The Road sb, SB12, has a blog in which she describes, in a very humorous way, her dating exploits, which include boys her same age and obviously older men, some of whom come from cites other than her own. No names are mentioned, and no identifying details are given, so I have no worries that I will be outed.
[ edit delte ]. There are several of them out there, and they provide an interesting, and not always flattering-to-us insight into the mindset of an SB. I am sure there are useful bits of intel that will help us all increase our contact-to-fucking percentage.
Scott[/QUOTE]What comes to mind here is that if this and other SB's are astute and bold enough to be blogging about their adventures of the FC, and lack thereof, there might be a good chance that may have also seen this site too. So if you are dealing with a very tech saavy gal, keep that in mind before posting something here that could set her off potentially, meaning I wouldn't say anything here that you wouldn't feel comfortable saying to her face, without garnering a negative response and other potential consequences. Certainly this is the risk in sharing all this info online to begin with.
Unfortunately not. It's always the first question when it comes to small talk."What part of XX are you in?"
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1284634]
And a question for Big Tigger. I joined sugar daddie and found loads of girls but they are all statewide. Is there any way to narrow the search area once you join? Most sites have a search radius of your choice by mileage. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Varoom. Amen to that. I never mention any of the websites I frequent to sbs or strippers even though I don't post names, locations, or a lot of details due to the possibility of them finding out. With age comes wisdom, or so I've heard.
Not much to report from here. Still seeing only the 1 sb. The HYB search was pretty much a failure, but I think that has to do with the shallow pool where I live. I also tried the nonpro approach as described in the Baltimore and a couple of LA forums. I've been emailing one there who is a possibility, but you never know. No big deal because I'm pretty satisfied with what I have.
[QUOTE=Varoom;1286832]What comes to mind here is that if this and other SB's are astute and bold enough to be blogging about their adventures of the FC, and lack thereof, there might be a good chance that may have also seen this site too. So if you are dealing with a very tech saavy gal, keep that in mind before posting something here that could set her off potentially, meaning I wouldn't say anything here that you wouldn't feel comfortable saying to her face, without garnering a negative response and other potential consequences. Certainly this is the risk in sharing all this info online to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Sugardaddie. Com doesn't specify part of state, but [url]http://sugardaddyforme.com/[/url] DOES let you do a search by zip.
[QUOTE=BigTigger;1287876]Unfortunately not. It's always the first question when it comes to small talk."What part of XX are you in?"[/QUOTE]
Gentlemen,
I was recently browsing this forum as a whole when I came across a similar thread to this one in the Baltimore section. Apparently the hobbyists there are having a great deal of success posting their own ads on CL and BP. This tactic, I am aware, is nothing new. What was intriguing was that one member made reference to finding utrs on a website called Modelmayhem, which is a forum for photographers and models to showcase their respective talents. If this member can be believed, all one has to do is put up a profile masquerading as a photographer and contact any of the models who do nude or erotic shoots. He asserts that "most of them know what's up", especially if you tell them you are looking to do a POV shoot.
Is this bs, wishful thinking, or something one of you has had experience with? I will say that one of my sbs could also be found on the mayhem site, but I thought it was a coincidence. If anyone has experience with this approach, please share. I am thinking of setting myself up there, but it would entail some pretty sophisticated crafting to make the profile seem legit, including getting photos to put up as examples of my "work" that couldn't be traced back to the rightful photographer.
On another note, still no Lit? Has anyone heard from him?
Keep up the good work,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1291888]Is this bs, wishful thinking, or something one of you has had experience with? I will say that one of my sbs could also be found on the mayhem site, but I thought it was a coincidence. If anyone has experience with this approach, please share.
Scott[/QUOTE]I've seen a couple of ladies in my area on MM and on sugar daddy sites. I don't have any direct experience with either of them as they weren't exactly my type. Hard to say if they use MM as another way of meeting guys, but who knows? On another note, I have noticed a lady on MM whose resume lists 'modeled for SA'. That sort of fuels my suspicions on SA (and other sites) using models for some of their profiles as a way of enticement.
Down here your thread is studied as a model for how to dvelop a SB sucess story. I've read the majority of reports, but haven't seen any mention of what defensive measures why'all take against the SB getting or claiming to be pregnant or claiming it was you that maybe passed some disease to them? Infant babies are serious business and a SB may be able to recruit State help to get at your identity. She can always show up with her father or brother to apply leverage. Once the baby is there, the SB has you as a meal ticket for 18 years. She knows you have $$ as a SD. That won't please the wardens, either. Have you all got vasectomys?
A student of your school of SB.
[QUOTE=Tempspap; 1293180]Down here your thread is studied as a model for how to dvelop a SB sucess story. I've read the majority of reports, but haven't seen any mention of what defensive measures why'all take against the SB getting or claiming to be pregnant or claiming it was you that maybe passed some disease to them? Infant babies are serious business and a SB may be able to recruit State help to get at your identity. She can always show up with her father or brother to apply leverage. Once the baby is there, the SB has you as a meal ticket for 18 years. She knows you have $$ as a SD. That won't please the wardens, either. Have you all got vasectomys?
A student of your school of SB.[/QUOTE]No vasectomy but I recommend strict condom use. If you get in a situation make clear you will insist on a DNA test. I have a friend who takes extreme measures. On a BJ he insists they either stop before he blows or that they swallow it. If he shoots somewhere else on her, he keeps handi-wipes right there and cleans it himself without letting the girl out of his sight. Other than that he always uses a condom.
But, like most worthwhile things, there are risks that can never be 100% eliminated. Live life, use common sense and trust your gut. It's the best you can do.
Well Said!
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1293324]No vasectomy but I recommend strict condom use. If you get in a situation make clear you will insist on a DNA test. .[/QUOTE]
I came up with it. She was very happy with it.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1284634]Welcome to the board DR. Did you come up with the $$.5 or did your SB ask?
And a question for Big Tigger. I joined sugar daddie and found loads of girls but they are all statewide. Is there any way to narrow the search area once you join? Most sites have a search radius of your choice by mileage. Thanks.
Re : BP DPS babe. Got a date this week and I really like the $ sugar for multipop all nighter. If we had access to a FC and didn't have to pay for a notel this game would be a lot cheaper.
I have a FC of my own but I can't risk using it for new talent until I trust them. Anyone got a FC they want to rent by the hour?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NiceGuy804; 1291042]Sugardaddie. Com doesn't specify part of state, but.
[url]http://sugardaddyforme.com/[/url]
DOES let you do a search by zip.[/QUOTE]I just joined the site. I am in the Los Angeles and las Vegas area. Any tips on how to handle these sugar babies. My preference is 18 to 26. Is there a pricing structure we should go by, day, weekend together etc. Any help would be appreciated. You can pm me too. This forum has lot of potential. Need to control the costs especially if we are seeing multiple sugar babies
If you review this entire thread I think you will find everything that can be covered about Sugar Babies.
Money is pretty much THE issue in landing sugar babes. Many of of us have categorized these girls as to their motivation and life circumstances IOHO of course. They have educated themselves as to the going rate for escorts in this area and I think that is their starting point in negotiating with us. It totally depends on desperation I believe. Nando type I 's, for example, are desperately poor, usually have kids and no support, and can't work (or don't want to) , therefore will discount their services. Nevertheless, the rate here seems to be from $ to $$$. Vegas and the Left coast .probably talking a lot higher. If you start high you will never be able to go down, so I think $$-$$.5 is reasonable for an extended date-even overnight. If they want to be paid by the hour then you might as well see escorts and not risk falling for a SB.and the room is covered. GPS (golden pussy syndrome) exists and is alive and well unfortunately. If the girl wants way above the area rate then run like hell. Pussy is pussy and in no way shape or form is a dallience worth over $$$ unless she is a virgin fashion model and you are popping that cherry for the first time.
Long term costs are high and depend on the number of babies you want on your string and how often you want to play. With SB's you have higher costs than escorts because 1) you pay her 2) you cover the room. 3) you wine and dine her. 4) perhaps you bring a gift, so her fee is only the beginning. A golden rule that we all must follow.and many of us don't and get burned.is.Do not pay in advance expecting her to work off the advance. I should repeat that in several different languages. I keep thinking that my Junk is so special that the baby will be honest and true to me.wrong!
Some of the senior sages here recommend NOT discussing $ in advance, since the babe can keep the illusion that she is not a HO. I disagree since they are all on there for a payday and it is better up front to know what to expect. I usually ask them what they expect out of our first date.and let them know that I expect to sleep with them. In a discrete way of course. I am not interested in a courtship-just get down to business after perhaps a drink or even dinner.
I explored Fling for a while thinking that those girls just want.well.a fling and not money.
I got a lot of interest on that site as well as Ashley Madison, but those chicks are brutal and SO damn picky. They are not asking for $ and seem to want to hook up with someone close to their own age. I met a few and did not land a single one. It did not do much for my ego but they made it clear that they were not into guys their father's age. Oh well.at least SBs will overlook the age factor for the $, so I am sticking with that.
Alrite gents, stumbled across this thread and things here seemed a bit interesting.
I have been playing the non-pros game on CL for the past few months and found some nice cuties and it does take some work.
A few questions if you don't mind.
1) what's the typical damage per date with girls on this site?
2) are they pro, semi-pro, or amateurs? Do they know what the deal is?
3) any tips for setting up a new profile?
Many thanks, and I'll follow this thread closely to learn the ropes.
This amazing thread is certainly attracting an audience way outside it's area.
I have some info on a local Richmond VA SB. So if RICHMOND SM's ONLY please would I'm me. I will give them some details.
Regards.
GW
Nando is right on with this post. I'd like to add, I've found the SB / SD sites to have hotter women, better choices of age range, better options for traveling and your best chance for being on a site where the women out number the men.
Ashley M, CL, Bpage, Fling, AFF all have varying degrees of success, but tend to pale in comparison to the main 3 SD / SB sites. (SD4m, SA, SDie. Com)
Being a grizzled veteran of AMPs, Escorts, Dating sites. I'm now a walking advertisement for SD / SB. The money difference is not significant enough for me to go back. Not to mention, I can't remember the last time I've been with a woman for just an hour or 30-45 mins of that hour I paid for.
Even now (not sure for how long) , I'm having passionate GFE sex with a beautiful young (22) Spanish hottie at least weekly. I've already had 3 over nights. 1 out of town trip and great sex every time. Never have any of the meetings been less than 3 hours. For a bonus, the sugar is coming in way below standard. This would not have happened if I would not been on the SB / SD site.
We did not discuss Sugar in advance, however my normal rule of thumb is to minimally pay for "sitter" and "gas". Then I through some extra for the young lady to enjoy.
BigTigg.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1298337]If you review this entire thread I think you will find everything that can be covered about Sugar Babies.
Money is pretty much THE issue in landing sugar babes. Many of of us have categorized these girls as to their motivation and life circumstances IOHO of course. They have educated themselves as to the going rate for escorts in this area and I think that is their starting point in negotiating with us. It totally depends on desperation I believe. Nando type I 's, for example, are desperately poor, usually have kids and no support, and can't work (or don't want to) , therefore will discount their services. Nevertheless, the rate here seems to be from $ to $$$. Vegas and the Left coast. Probably talking a lot higher. If you start high you will never be able to go down, so I think $$-$$.5 is reasonable for an extended date-even overnight. If they want to be paid by the hour then you might as well see escorts and not risk falling for a SB. And the room is covered. GPS (golden pussy syndrome) exists and is alive and well unfortunately. If the girl wants way above the area rate then run like hell. Pussy is pussy and in no way shape or form is a dallience worth over $$$ unless she is a virgin fashion model and you are popping that cherry for the first time.
Long term costs are high and depend on the number of babies you want on your string and how often you want to play. With SB's you have higher costs than escorts because 1) you pay her 2) you cover the room. 3) you wine and dine her. 4) perhaps you bring a gift, so her fee is only the beginning. A golden rule that we all must follow. And many of us don't and get burned. Is. Do not pay in advance expecting her to work off the advance. I should repeat that in several different languages. I keep thinking that my Junk is so special that the baby will be honest and true to me. Wrong!
Some of the senior sages here recommend NOT discussing $ in advance, since the babe can keep the illusion that she is not a HO. I disagree since they are all on there for a payday and it is better up front to know what to expect. I usually ask them what they expect out of our first date. And let them know that I expect to sleep with them. In a discrete way of course. I am not interested in a courtship-just get down to business after perhaps a drink or even dinner.[/QUOTE]
1. Not counting hotel $-$$$
2. Most are amateurs (but keep your spidey sense working just in case)
3. Be engaging, funny, fully paid member, give examples of how you would spoil her, make sure to use the terms "no drama" and "break from reality", in your write up and put thought into what you say and how, let them see without you saying it, that you are smart, articulate and successful.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1298433]Alrite gents, stumbled across this thread and things here seemed a bit interesting.
I have been playing the non-pros game on CL for the past few months and found some nice cuties and it does take some work.
A few questions if you don't mind.
1) what's the typical damage per date with girls on this site?
2) are they pro, semi-pro, or amateurs? Do they know what the deal is?
3) any tips for setting up a new profile?
Many thanks, and I'll follow this thread closely to learn the ropes.[/QUOTE]
I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.
I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?
BigTigg.
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I'm looking at my account now, here are some real world examples:
Westin $66.
Wyndham $68.
Embassy Suites $83.
Sheraton $71.
Hilton $101
[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1299092]1. Not counting hotel $-$$$
2. Most are amateurs (but keep your spidey sense working just in case)
3. Be engaging, funny, fully paid member, give examples of how you would spoil her, make sure to use the terms "no drama" and "break from reality", in your write up and put thought into what you say and how, let them see without you saying it, that you are smart, articulate and successful.[/QUOTE]Thanks Big. I am currently on page 22. Looks like I got another 20+ pages to cover. Did pick up the "slipping the sugar" thing in the purse and not to discuss sugar in advance. If I knew this, I wouldn't have blew up my opportunity with a hot 20yr chic that responded to my CL ad. I made the mistake of discussing sugar with her, and she took offend and apologized and said adios. .
Ok. I opened an account with SD4M yesterday. Still working on my profile (with fake pic of course. LOL)
I entered my zip code and there were over 500 listings within a 25mi radius. What am I going to do? Send out 500+ emails?
edit: for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.
[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1299110]I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. (Edit Delete)
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?
BigTigg. (Edit Delete) [/QUOTE]Yes.
We should take her to a nice hotel so she does not feel cheap, so she does not feel like we are treating her as being cheap. We think. Women feel. We also need to look like we have the money we are spending. The hotel plays a part in that. We don't want her wondering if her gift will be coming from a jar of quarters or coming at all by taking her to a cheap hotel. She will notice if we leave a tip in the room for housekeeping. If we take her to dinner she will notice the tip we add to the bill. She will notice how we interact with the wait staff. There is a good chance she has waited tables at some point in the past. No looking at other women. No display of affection in public. The whole idea is for her to feel secure with us or we won't be getting in her pants.
She may be a SB. We may be a SD. But at the core we are still in high school. We are re-doing high school.
Really, how much does it cost us when we waste our time with fakes, ripoffs and the like. I've wasted much more money in different ways without any chance of good pudding! I've wasted more money on bad pudding too!
If you think that you will ask yourself afterwards if you would have paid the extra money to have a better chance of getting the choice you want, then it's worth it.
Not to mention, you don't want to be seen as cheap / broke. If you can't pay for the extra upgrade, she may think you can't really take care of her.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1299128]for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.[/QUOTE]
You definitely need to get the level of membership where you can exchange messages with the SBs. What's the point otherwise? I'm a long time monger with escorts and strippers mostly and this SB deal is the best thing I've ever done hands down. I've had 4 "regulars" over the past couple of years, and only one turned out bad. I'm on the fourth one now and don't see anyone else but her. Not sure how long it will last but it's been far and away the best so far. All sbs have been multiple hours to overnights for the price of an escort for one hour. Some only want the one hour or wham bam deal, but that's not what I'm after.
As far as nice hotels go, remember Priceline is your friend. A site I've used very successfully along with Priceline is [url]http://www.biddingtraveler.com/[/url] You give a range of prices and it keeps bidding for you without having to wait the 24 hours if your bid is rejected. It also tells you bids that have been accepted and rejected. It's helped me out a lot in my travels.
MagicRat and Big Tigger are on the same trail that I currently am. I have converted from a MF (multi fucker) to a SO. I have a SB I have been seeing for a long time.mostly exclusively. She is eating up all my play money gladly I must say. Even though I love variety when you find something special it makes sense to stick with it.
What's there not to like? I have a bright and beautiful college girl who is uber loving and not demanding who prefers to spend all night with me for the $ of a 1 hour escort date.I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. Most of the other girls I have spent time with are seriously flawed and more often than not down on their luck and not classy gals. So I am not trolling right now. If our relationship falls apart then I will be back to SD4Me, etc with much higher expectations than before. I have experienced the Mecca and don't want to go back.
Hotels : I have asked her to take care of the hotel from what I give her, so I don't have a paper trail to worry about. She opts to get $ 50 / nite chains in the area we play and I am totally OK with that. I suggest giving the responsibility to your baby after the initial dallience and you are sure that she wants to continue the relationship. Then the burden is off you. I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. But still, she has enough Money / credit to front the hotel and isn't dead broke and creditless like the other Nando I ' s.
Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.
[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1299110]I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.
I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?
BigTigg.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. It's always a good thing to explore some of the amenities of the hotel with her too. Spa, Sauna, Pool, Room Service, etc. Give her a good experience as well as good sex. The little things, such as opening a door for her, etcetera really do go a long way.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1299587]Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.[/QUOTE]If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.
[QUOTE=Hernando;1299396](Edit Delete) I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. (Edit Delete)[/QUOTE]Nando, she's a college girl. The monogamous talk will irritate her, scare her and chase her away.
[QUOTE=Hernando;1299396](Edit Delete) I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. (Edit Delete)[/QUOTE]Trust always bites us in the ass, on that final dalliance that only she knows is the final one, when we trust her then, too.
I don't want to see Nando hurt.
Gentlemen,
I second Spit's experience. At one time I had paid, all-access memberships on three SB sites, Seekingarrangements, SD4me, and *************. SA only bills by the month, so that, for me, was the no-brainer. When your membership runs out, you're cut off from the babies. Simple as that. I forget what I had to do to cancel AM, but it must not have been much. In my opinion, the entire site was a shill to get you to go to a paying webcam site. SD4me was another matter altogether. They kept billing my card, which was, by the way, an on-line only statement account that my SO is not aware of, my hobby card if you will, and I finally had to contact customer service at the sponsoring bank to cancel that card and get a new one. It was a little embarrassing having to explain to the service rep, a woman (of course) , what the situation was and why I wanted to cancel. In the end, it all worked out, but as Spit said, it took some doing.
As I have previously posted, for my area, Chicago, SA is far and away the best pool of babies. New ones come on every day, not all of them my taste, but still, how great is that?
In terms of other helpful hints for the newbies, I always pay cash where ever I can, don't use my real name ever, and use a dedicated burner phone that I keep mostly off in a secure location unless I am expecting a visit or a call. The one problem I have encountered with this approach is that most babies like to text. Apparently email is too low tech for the 20-somethings. Since my phone is fairly basic, a message such as "I'd love to see you on Tuesday for some totally hot f*cking" takes me approximately 20 minutes to execute. Does anyone have a suggestion?
I also follow Nando's approach to the hotel room. The less of a trail there is, the better. It also subtly shifts the dynamic a bit; your baby is no longer just passive, but now an active participant in the session you are planning, together.
As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights. One of the recent posts I read dissed on a poor SD simply for having the sugar in small denominations. She dumped the poor shmo for that reason alone. For me, point taken, and I now only proffer Benjamins, not Jacksons. They are capricious beings, these babies.
Lastly, I would say, once you have a backlog of contacts, some of which may not have panned out on the initial go-around, don't presume that hey are dead leads. I have let my SA subscription lapse for a couple of months, and am going back through my email contacts and reconnecting, and have fucked three babies so far that I had not followed through with the first time for one reason or another. No excuses given, no explanation asked. Just a short "it's been a long time, are you still interested" seems to be enough to get the dialogue started. But above all, be respectful. These are not pros, (although there are those, but they're easy to weed out) , so you must treat them accordingly. Do not, under any circumstances, send them a picture of your unit, awake or asleep. This is the single most common deal-breaker I have heard from my babies. This is a great thread, a great approach to the hobby, and for me has been a great experience. I am ten pounds lighter than I was when I started, I work out more, am more productive at my job, and have a far more positive outlook on life than before, all due, I am convinced, to my new hobby of fucking hot young women. Who would have guessed?
Keep up the good work,
Scott
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As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.
The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.
I've been using Google Voice to play. But be careful of your SO, so try to keep the phone out of sight.
I agree with Scot, these young chics love to texts. I have had some success with CL. Banged a 23 and 25 yr.
These younger ones are incredibly tight and wet. As soon as the panties dropped, they're already wet.
Why do all of that? It's your money. You can dispute a charge on a pre-paid card. You can also block any future charges from a company trying recurring charges.
Opening and closing accounts doesn't resolve anything. It can cause you problems. A bank can decline on issuing you a new account if you have a history of that or you have too many accounts. GreenDot and Bancorp are well-known for that. I've met a few girls who received refund checks with a letter stating they would not issue a new account. When girls get busted and have these cards, LE will notify the bank to freeze their account and they won't issue a new card.
The best pre-card I have ever had was issued directly from Visa itself. According to Visa, no Visa merchant that accepts Visa debit cards can decline on accepting a card issued directly by them unless it's for the obvious. Insufficient funds, fraudulent use, etc. They also have rules about merchants requiring to show a photo I'd. Per Visa, you don't have to show an I'd to use one of their cards if it has a pin-number. If a merchant declines for these reasons Visa will take a complaint and quickly fix that problem. There's a list of their approved banks on their site.
[url]http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/prepaid/prepaid-card-online.jsp[/url]
You also have to read about the issuing bank and where their cards are accepted. It had little to do with the type of card, but with the bank that issued the card. If the bank the merchant uses doesn't accept cards or payments from the bank the card is issued from then they can decline on accepting the card. Just because it has Visa or MasterCard on it means little. Where it was issued it what they take into account when accepting payments.
The card also has to be properly activated and registered per The Patriot Act:
[i]The USA PATRIOT Act is a Federal law that requires all financial institutions to obtain, verify, and record information that identifies each person who opens an account. You will be asked to provide your name, address, date of birth, and other information that will allow us to identify you. You may also be asked to provide documentation as proof of identification. Card issuance is contingent upon successfully passing this mandatory identification confirmation. [/i]
[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1299790]As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.
The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.[/QUOTE]
"As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights"-per F Scott.
How do you find SB Blogs?
Why do it? Because I can do it on my computer in 45 seconds rather than having to go to some store to get a physical card. GreenDot and the like don't offer the flexibility of the PP system. And once you have a PP account, they have all your ident info; the system is set up specifically so you can create / terminate card numbers on demand quickly and easily.
I've never heard of anyone getting grief for using PayPal's services this way, either from them or other financial institutions. If the financial world had that big a problem with it, PP wouldn't do it; that's their playground, and they aren't about to piss off all the other big players that they need to work with.
A couple years ago, I made the mistake of subscribing to one of those "learn how to make money off the internet" things. Getting it stopped completely took 6 months, repeated calls to both the company and my CC vendor, and a chunk of my time and frustration. Yes, the CC company can and will slap a big fine on any merchant that doesn't properly cancel charges. But they're on the merchant's side too, and getting it all done and stopped can take a lot of effort. I will not get myself into that position again, and PP's service makes it trivially easy not to.
If you prefer GreenDot or a pre-paid card, good on ya. But don't belittle other people's suggestions simply because YOU don't see value in them.
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1299636]If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.[/QUOTE]I have been reading this forum for awhile, but since I am not from VA, never really thought I should chime in. I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month. I had notified them 10 days in advance to cancel my membership and not bill my cc for another month, but they billed it anyway. So that is when I got nasty and started threatening legal action and told them I was filling a claim with the Better Business Bureau. After all that, they finally credited my card back for the month that they had charged without my permission. I learned my lesson, now, I only pay for membership by mailing them a money order. Takes a week or so to get activated, but better than going through the hassle.
[QUOTE I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dingus,
This is just the kind of practical, hands-on intel from the front that makes this thread, and most of the forum, a great service to us all. A couple of times I tried to slip my off-site email into my profile on SD and was immediately chastised, but when I tried to follow the instructions for canceling my membership, all I heard were crickets. I might go back one more time, because I did click in to some babies that were not on my preferred site, SA.
On a different topic, I am headed out of town again for work and am using my on-the-road gambit, so far with great results. I may try to schedule two babies each night, or would that just be hubris? What a great life this is! I will report any significant or helpful findings upon my return.
In the meantime, keep up the good work, gentlemen.
Scott
I just created a profile on this site. So far I really like the look of this site compared to sd4m. Also has more babies in my area. Anyone else have success on this site? Also seems the girls here are asking $3k+ a month. Is this real?