Massage Parlor Reports

The burden of proof (the obligation to prove allegations) in criminal cases is often on the prosecutor. I’m sure you have heard, in some TV shows or movies, the phrase “Innocent until proven guilty.” Well, it’s a wonderful phrase because without such legal right, the burden of proof will fall on the accused. Generally, the accused is found not guilty if the burden of proof is not sufficiently carried out by the prosecution.

For illustrative purposes, let’s assume that defendant John has been charged with VA Code § 18.2-347—keeping, residing in or frequenting a bawdy place—more often, John will be charged with the later part, frequenting a bawdy place, unless he is very well connected in the industry to be working in or managing the business.

However, in all segments of that code, the notable aspect is the bawdy place. What does this mean? It means the prosecutor bears the burden of proof to show the judge or jury (if it gets that far) that XYZ Spa is, in fact, a bawdy place (a rather daunting task).

To that end, prosecution would need to have witnesses confirming operational details of XYZ Spa. Furthermore, prosecution needs evidence to prove the illicit reputation of XYZ Spa. Evidence may include reliable documentations (not this site; reliable means attributable and well-known), previous police reports, and further testimonies from patrons. As anyone can conclude, testimony is vital for the prosecution's case. Prosecution has to prove every element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt, but not necessarily prove every single fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Failure to meet the burden, the defendant is found not guilty.

How does the prosecution obtain such evidence (assuming that prosecution can get satisfactory evidence)? By constantly disrupting and harassing the lives of the accused. Prosecution often “scares” the information out of the accused or bribes them into giving testimonies (plea deals). The perfect candidate is someone with prior convictions.

My fellow mongers, fear not! The success of the prosecution’s case relies heavily on the testimonies. Therefore, if you find yourself caught in such unfavorable situations, one would advise against being overly talkative, particularly revealing any operational details regarding the place in question. If prosecution determines your information is worthwhile, they have the legal duty to further investigate your story, thus causing greater interruptions to your lives.

Prosecution is well aware of the low rate of conviction based on VA Code § 18.2-347. However, it does not deter them from spending taxpayers’ fund on these superfluous cases. Their primary intention is to establish a criminal history, particular our mutual lady friends, so stricter sentences can be imposed in the future (for example another Black Wednesday). Publishing offenders’ name in the local newspaper is a failed and rather reprehensible deterrent technique, but it is within the legal boundaries.

I’m sure there are a number of legal scholars among 152,843 members on this site. I propose we develop a new thread on the legal aspects pertaining to this hobby including horror stories and legal remedies so that the mongering mass can learn from. Furthermore, we should target each state and separate the program based on market segments such as Streetwalker, Massage Parlor, or General Legal Primer. Please PM your interest in participating in this workgroup. (Think of it as anonymous pro-bono work).

No need to turn on the flame, just a thought,

Ian

[QUOTE=Toshiosamma]I heard that a low-key AMP was just busted in Arlington. Haven't found anything in the news yet.[/QUOTE]ATMB is the only AMP I know of in Arlington and it's very low-key.

At what point would your life be destroyed? Were you only accused and found not guilty at trial regain the trust of your spouse and other family members? Would being found not guilty reinstate your security clearance and get your job back? Would being found not guilty erase your name and address from the public record?

If your situation can survive all that, then you are good to go but I'd just bet that many of us would face massive ruin simply by the writeup in the newspaper! That one item would lead to the loss of spouse, house, family, money, etc.

So, the risk is very real! As I have said before, I am NOT responsible for anything any of us do and I do not care too much about what you folks do but I cast this warning as a brother in this crime of which we may or may not be found guilty in a court of law, but, once accused, would be found guilty and hung out to dry in the court of family and public opinions.

Take all this for what it may be worth to your own situation.

In ALL cases, BE CAREFUL!!!!

JJ




[QUOTE=Ian Dokkaebi]The burden of proof (the obligation to prove allegations) in criminal cases is often on the prosecutor. I’m sure you have heard, in some TV shows or movies, the phrase “Innocent until proven guilty.” Well, it’s a wonderful phrase because without such legal right, the burden of proof will fall on the accused. Generally, the accused is found not guilty if the burden of proof is not sufficiently carried out by the prosecution.

For illustrative purposes, let’s assume that defendant John has been charged with VA Code § 18.2-347—keeping, residing in or frequenting a bawdy place—more often, John will be charged with the later part, frequenting a bawdy place, unless he is very well connected in the industry to be working in or managing the business.

However, in all segments of that code, the notable aspect is the bawdy place. What does this mean? It means the prosecutor bears the burden of proof to show the judge or jury (if it gets that far) that XYZ Spa is, in fact, a bawdy place (a rather daunting task).

To that end, prosecution would need to have witnesses confirming operational details of XYZ Spa. Furthermore, prosecution needs evidence to prove the illicit reputation of XYZ Spa. Evidence may include reliable documentations (not this site; reliable means attributable and well-known), previous police reports, and further testimonies from patrons. As anyone can conclude, testimony is vital for the prosecution's case. Prosecution has to prove every element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt, but not necessarily prove every single fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Failure to meet the burden, the defendant is found not guilty.

How does the prosecution obtain such evidence (assuming that prosecution can get satisfactory evidence)? By constantly disrupting and harassing the lives of the accused. Prosecution often “scares” the information out of the accused or bribes them into giving testimonies (plea deals). The perfect candidate is someone with prior convictions.

My fellow mongers, fear not! The success of the prosecution’s case relies heavily on the testimonies. Therefore, if you find yourself caught in such unfavorable situations, one would advise against being overly talkative, particularly revealing any operational details regarding the place in question. If prosecution determines your information is worthwhile, they have the legal duty to further investigate your story, thus causing greater interruptions to your lives.

Prosecution is well aware of the low rate of conviction based on VA Code § 18.2-347. However, it does not deter them from spending taxpayers’ fund on these superfluous cases. Their primary intention is to establish a criminal history, particular our mutual lady friends, so stricter sentences can be imposed in the future (for example another Black Wednesday). Publishing offenders’ name in the local newspaper is a failed and rather reprehensible deterrent technique, but it is within the legal boundaries.

I’m sure there are a number of legal scholars among 152,843 members on this site. I propose we develop a new thread on the legal aspects pertaining to this hobby including horror stories and legal remedies so that the mongering mass can learn from. Furthermore, we should target each state and separate the program based on market segments such as Streetwalker, Massage Parlor, or General Legal Primer. Please PM your interest in participating in this workgroup. (Think of it as anonymous pro-bono work).

No need to turn on the flame, just a thought,

Ian[/QUOTE]

JJ is right, the court of public opinion is often WAY worse than the actual court system.

I"ve stopped the AMPS all together. If you go, it's just a matter of time before LEO bust in and you're arrested and life ruined. I just wish it was legal and regulated with taxes and health codes. it would be just a win for everyone. Keep it private and keep it safe..

But maybe arresting people for these crimes is big business for them. They don't care about life's they ruin. I mean maybe it's a married guy who wife ignores him and he just need's a little self confident. For me a lot of time it was just having someone to talk with and be open about my feelings. But don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the massage too ( =

[QUOTE=Jim Rob]If you go, it's just a matter of time before LEO bust in and you're arrested and life ruined... But maybe arresting people for these crimes is big business for them. They don't care about life's they ruin. [/QUOTE]

...and it is lurid enough to make the TV news. And even if the charges get thrown out or you are found not guilty, those same news crews are NOT there to report that.

It is in part driven by elected sheriffs and other officials who need a high public profile to ensure reelection. They can state they cleaned up (fill in the city) from human traffickers, disease-ridden sex workers, undocumented aliens, and sexually depraved low lifes.

They usually work in basements or upper floors. It's easy takings and gives the official in charge all the kodo points for publicity.

I mean come on where are they going to run in their high heels shoes little flimsy lingerie. I totally agree with you Jim.

On the other hand we've got real serious criminals running rampant through the streets. I was on the Beltway the other night following a Maryland state trooper at about 55 or 60 and out a nowhere there's 6 rice rockets flying between cars even on the shoulder of the road. I like motorcycles but this is fucking ridiculous, he never even made an attempt of pursuit. WTF was this doughnut and coffee break or what.

I work in D.C. and I cant keep the crack heads out of my trucks. I could go on and on about this.

I guess this type of criminal just takes too much energy or revenue for them to get their fat bacon asses doing something that might require a sweat.

Just one man's opinion of many men
AJ


[QUOTE=Jim Rob] I just wish it was legal and regulated with taxes and health codes. it would be just a win for everyone. Keep it private and keep it safe..

But don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the massage too ( =[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dabbler Too]ATMB is the only AMP I know of in Arlington and it's very low-key.[/QUOTE]
ATMB? You're kidding, right? I think that place could only be guilty of giving accupressure massages...at least, officially. (Anything that you might be able to negotiate with the attendent, behind closed doors, would be another matter. However, the attendents are in the late 40s to 50s, and I don't believe they would be offering the 'usual menu' of other NoVa AMPs. And, are there any folks on this board who'd pay the ~$.6 for such services at ATMB --- assuming it was available --- when the same amount will get FS with some 20s hottie in an AMP just a bit further South? Just a random thought.)

Not to be too hard on ATMB, though. It's my "go to" place when I need a good bone cracking and muscle workdown. It does offer a good, legitimate massage.

I went back to Lotus to test if Young's promise of "Next time" had any validity. She greeted me at the door and remembered me, and I thought things are looking up.

Off to the shower, and I've got to say that she does a first rate job on the TS. Once again I thought that all the attention to my backside showed great promise for a trip the the Asian Rim.

She gave a good massage, if a tad mechanical, and when the flip came she asked what I wanted. Everything! And she excused herself, left the room for a few minutes, and came back and stripped. All right, I thought, the fun begins. She hopped up on the table, and reversed herself into a 69, and lowered herself for a little DATY. But then I felf her hands, and they were loaded with oil. I asked for a bj, "We don't do that." I asked her to suck my balls, she blew ON them a bit, but no real contact. For a moment it looked like she was going to visit the Asian Rim, but she just blew on that too.

In the end it was nothing but your typical NOVA handjob.

They offer a halfhour massage for .60 and an hour TS and massage for .80. If that's your thing you'll probably be satisfied. If your looking for more, you might just want to keep looking. It's true that YMMV, but after a couple of trys I think I might look elsewhere.

Randy

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Ian

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Hi Ian Dokkaebi,

This is a great political analysis, but why did you bury it here in the thread for Massage Parlor Reports for Northern Virginia?

Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Ian Dokkaebi]
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Hi Ian Dokkaebi,

This is a great political analysis, but why did you bury it here in the thread for Massage Parlor Reports for Northern Virginia?

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]

I have to agree with Jackson here. Ian, it seems like you have some sort of profound interest in this field, and you've put a lot of thought and effort into writing your pieces. However, to be truthful, it's annoying to see these type of posts constantly cluttering the NoVA and DC report threads.

Can't you post them to the forums in the following link?

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=262[/url]

It seems like Sakura and HWC's phones still aren't working, and I'm going to infer that they are still closed. It's a shame, HWC had a good thing going with Blue and Sue. Mimi wasn't my style, but she definitely had good reviews on this board, too.

I know it's been a few days since my last dream, but Friday I dozed off to the MT in woodbridge. I had to wait outside for a minute because they were busy, but was lead in by a fairly nice possibly 30s woman. She took me to the back and I gave the. 6. She said they were busy and I might have to wait a bit. About 10 mins later another woman came in, a little older, who I thought was the mamasan, but she led me to the TS and the one who greeted me at the door met us in the hallway. She pulled me into the TS room by Mr happy, but went off into another room and left me with the older one. At first I thought she said her name was Lee, but later said it was Daisy. I don't know. Anyway TS was done quick and to the point and was taken back to my room. I thought at some point the younger one would come to my service, but "daisy" came back and without even starting a massage, asked what did I want. I motioned for a BJ and she said 1. 0 I tried for. 8 but she seemed insulted. She left for a sec and came back into the room and got right to it. After maybe 2 mins she started saying her jaw hurt and that she was tired. She did let me play with her tits, but the botttom was off limits. She was actually wearing like sweatshorts or something. I decided that lying down wasn't making it happen for me so I stood up and had her kneel in front of me. It was kind of nice because there was a long mirrior to my left so I could get a good view from the side. I could tell she was getting impatient, so I let it go. Then she kept saying her jaw hurt and that she was tired. I wouldn't use her again. She was mechanical and complained. She was also not playful at all, which is one thing I usually like about these places. Still my favorite place was Kinja. The girls I had were always spinners and liked to play around and joke. After they closed SK was my place, but they always seemed a little on the heavy side. Every time I leave these places I always say that I am not going back, but after a month or so, I always think that next time will be good and I will get some younger tight talent. I'll let you guys know how my next trip goes in a month or so when my urges are at their limits again.

MB

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke]I have to agree with Jackson here. Ian, it seems like you have some sort of profound interest in this field, and you've put a lot of thought and effort into writing your pieces. However, to be truthful, it's annoying to see these type of posts constantly cluttering the NoVA and DC report threads.

Can't you post them to the forums in the following link?

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=262[/url][/QUOTE]My apologies as I have yet to analyze the the full spectrum of this forum. I didn't even know such thread existed.

Ian

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke]It seems like Sakura and HWC's phones still aren't working, and I'm going to infer that they are still closed. It's a shame, HWC had a good thing going with Blue and Sue. Mimi wasn't my style, but she definitely had good reviews on this board, too.[/QUOTE]

I do not know the status of HWC. However, Sukura be back to normal status with the next week or so. Please be aware that they may shy away from answering the phone. I would recommend a face-to-face.

There will be some new additions as well as some friendly faces from the DC Circuit.

Best of Luck,
Ian

I went to Magical Touch again yesterday around lunchtime, before I had to head to work. I figured I'd see what other girls are available. I rang the bell and had to wait a minute. I guess they were fairly busy. Finally the door was answered by Daisy. So I asked if she would be the one taking care of me and she said yes. I've seen her and her service is horrible. I asked if they had other girls available, she looked pretty upset and said no we are busy. So I turned around and left. You can see my previous report on her. Burning up some gas is better than paying for bad service.

I just wanted to comment on some of your comments about your Friday at MT. I almost showed up there myself this week as there were some delays at the State Inspection Station for me down the road from MT. You know the current proprietor used to run Kinja. Kinja was great in its heyday, but turned really sour about six months before closure. It seems the proprietor employed some nasty lady, named Mona. She was so bad, not in looks, that if you didn't chose her when she answered the door chime, she would never inform any other girls. For example, you would tell her you wanted to see Barney, who you knew was working, and she would tell you she is busy, on vacation, or doesn't work there anymore. One time I took her on and she gave me the same deal you got from Daisy (I'm beginning to think they are one and the same). She said she was on the rag, and never explained why she couldn't give me oral, but she upsold me a total of $130 for a HJ.

[QUOTE=Sashimi]I just wanted to comment on some of your comments about your Friday at MT. I almost showed up there myself this week as there were some delays at the State Inspection Station for me down the road from MT. You know the current proprietor used to run Kinja. Kinja was great in its heyday, but turned really sour about six months before closure. It seems the proprietor employed some nasty lady, named Mona. She was so bad, not in looks, that if you didn't chose her when she answered the door chime, she would never inform any other girls. For example, you would tell her you wanted to see Barney, who you knew was working, and she would tell you she is busy, on vacation, or doesn't work there anymore. One time I took her on and she gave me the same deal you got from Daisy (I'm beginning to think they are one and the same). She said she was on the rag, and never explained why she couldn't give me oral, but she upsold me a total of $130 for a HJ.[/QUOTE]Yeah it does sound very similar. I wouldn't doubt she is a holdover still providing bad service. I never saw her at Kinja, but then again I only went there a few times before they closed.

Found Zen and per another account in the boards asked for Manny who I think is the only one that works there now. The place is new and has about 6-8 rooms. The do TS. The experience was nothing special. Normal NVa deal. I was not rushed but did not get anything out of it. She was not talkative. It could of been she was tired as it was late. Overall I will give it a + since it was not bad at all. It just was not GREAT either. I will try it again in a few months to see if the place has aged well. Hehe

As for G Accupucture in Hernon. I think this is a real deal. I was wrapped up in a blanket the entire time. The massage is awsome but there is nothing more. I do not think I will go bck unless I blow out my back.

A while ago January at SKO there was a girl called Connie, very Cute face, nice big d saggy hooters, small butt. If anybody know where she went please pm me or post it. She brings some good memories.

Thanks

I confirmed some info I picked up last night. We already know there is no answer on the phone and no answer at the door. Now I went back and noticed that the doorbell is no longer there. Appearances are that HWC may be closed for good.

This sucks. It was bad enough losing Kinja, now HWC, and maybe Sakura too. Those were my main spots. I need to find another spot I can still get FS.

I stopped by Sakura on Thursday afternoon. The open sign was off. I went to the door, and I happen to catch the mamasan locking the door. She waved me in. I think I was the only customer. I was given a TS by the mamasan. Then, Nana came in. She is a bit chubby and not in the right places. She was kind of mechanical when doing her work, and the whole thing was kind of rushed. I can't recommend her. She said the open sign would be on from Friday.

[QUOTE=Guitarman1]I confirmed some info I picked up last night. We already know there is no answer on the phone and no answer at the door. Now I went back and noticed that the doorbell is no longer there. Appearances are that HWC may be closed for good.

This sucks. It was bad enough losing Kinja, now HWC, and maybe Sakura too. Those were my main spots. I need to find another spot I can still get FS.[/QUOTE]

I hope you are wrong, Guitarman. I've had a lot of therapy at the Health and Wellness Clinic and will miss its passing. RIP

[QUOTE=Zoomster]I hope you are wrong, Guitarman. I've had a lot of therapy at the Health and Wellness Clinic and will miss its passing. RIP[/QUOTE]Even though I saw the doorbell was no longer there, I decided to knock anyway. No answer. Hopefully this isn't a permanent thing, they were always a favorite of mine. I'll probably go back within the next week or two just to make sure.

Any info on Tracy - lists on CL. Need if HJ and/or FS is available on the menu.

I went to a three-letter place west of Tysons. Saw the same girl I usually see...I always forget her name, but it might be Jenny. Took the 30 minute option for $60. It only goes up to $80 for a whole hour, but I was pressed for time as usual.

She gave a nice massage first, and she knows a bit about how to do it. Commented (correctly) about how certain muscles were tight and proceeded to work them pretty well. She did a decent job. Afterwards was standard Nova fare. I mentioned I was tired and might take a while and she said to take my time. Arrived at my destination at a nice relaxed pace. I think she went over the 30 minutes a bit, another reason I chose the cheaper option.

I wouldn't even have posted this report, but I learned something of interest. She, and everyone there, is Chinese, except for one girl who is Vietnamese. I was surprised. I can usually tell Koreans from Thais from Chinese from Japanese, but in cases where I haven't been sure (like Chanel from 14K) the girls have still always said they were from Korea.

I asked her if she knew why most places were Korean. She replied that Korean girls were basically a lot less inhibited than Chinese girls. I take that with a grain of salt, as my perception is that Eastern Asians are in general far more racist than Americans (which I find very ironic, since most Americans can hardly tell one Asian from another). I would think the real reasons are more practical, but who knows? Anyway, now I'm kind of curious as to how many other non-Korean places there are around here.

No answer at YST on Thursday, guess they are closed. Not sure if and when they will be open again.

Went by HWC today and the doorbell was present unlike someone else reported. Rang bell and knock but no answer.

Ended up at SKO with Candy, total waste of time. I think she has eaten too much candy. I should of went with my gut feelings and left after they soaped up MY hand and used MY had to wash certian areas during the TS.

Thats 2 strikes for SKO.

[QUOTE=Max Billion]I asked her if she knew why most places were Korean. She replied that Korean girls were basically a lot less inhibited than Chinese girls. I take that with a grain of salt, as my perception is that Eastern Asians are in general far more racist than Americans (which I find very ironic, since most Americans can hardly tell one Asian from another).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've observed this, too. My GF is Korean, and she has some very choice things to say about Chinese women. I just try to nod my head and let it slide.

Part of this comes from the history of wars, occupations, cultural suppression and social oppression among these countries. For example, both China and Japan have at various times done their damnedest to wipe Korean culture off the face of the earth.

[QUOTE=Havin Fun]Went by HWC today and the doorbell was present unlike someone else reported. Rang bell and knock but no answer.

Ended up at SKO with Candy, total waste of time. I think she has eaten too much candy. I should of went with my gut feelings and left after they soaped up MY hand and used MY had to wash certian areas during the TS.

Thats 2 strikes for SKO.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. A friend of mine, a relative newbie to this, told me the bell was gone at HWC. I dropped by to check and didn't see one. It was just a walk by though. I wasn't going to knock or get a closer look because there was a fair amount of activity around, despite how late it was. I'll have to look again, this would be the first time I am very thankful if my eyes were playing tricks on me.

[QUOTE=Havin Fun]
Ended up at SKO with Candy, total waste of time. I think she has eaten too much candy. I should of went with my gut feelings and left after they soaped up MY hand and used MY had to wash certian areas during the TS.

Thats 2 strikes for SKO.[/QUOTE]

I do that in the shower everyday for free. I've always found Sakura/SKO a mixed bag - sometimes the service is great, sometimes just plain awful. Plus it gets really hot in those rooms during the summer.

Stopped by on Sat when I saw the sign open. Greeted by the mamma san (with not even basic engrish) who rushed me to the shower. Asked for one of my faves, but of course, No work here! Mamma San's shower was one of the worst ever. In/out in 2 min max. Little bit of soap, a pop on the butt and back to the room. In comes Korea (maybe candy, but who knows). Older, saggy be's who proceeds to give me maybe a 5 min tickle. Then the request for flip, and "you want everything? " Damn! I've been in the place for maybe 7-8 minutes, and thats it? I declined. Gave her a Hamilton for showing me the top and out the door. Max time inside? 10-12 minutes. It will be a while before I try again. BTW, Kim's Therapy in S'field is not bad for NOVA offering.

Just got back from Sakura. It has been awhile since the last time I was there. Greeted by the mamasan. Took care of the 3 jacksons and was led to the shower where the mamasan actually gave me a rushed shower. Got back to the room after the rushed shower. So in comes Jenny, who is actually good looking with a nice body. She rubs me for a few minutes before asking what I want, and of course it is everything. First she strokes me for a minute, then on with the raincoat for a cbj. Next she climbs on for some rcg, then more cbj, then back on for cg until I finished. She was nice, friendly and talkative while we were getting dressed. Her english is not great but better than some girls I have seen. Overall the crappy shower and lack of good massage or relaxing rubdown made the whole thing rushed. I spent a total of about 30 minutes in there.

Face: 7.5
Body: 8
Attitude: 8
Service: 6

A side note. There was a girl that came in during the shower. She said hi to me and talked to the mamasan for a minute. She was also good looking, so maybe that is a sign they are getting some better girls.

I've known about this forum for a while, but I never lurked or contributed. Why? Because there wasn't much to talk about. I had HWC. I knew exactly where I was going to go when I occasionally got that feeling.

I feel like an addict going through withdrawal. I don't want to throw my money away on CL. I don't want to go anywhere that is subpar. I am spoiled.

I did have the number of an aamp in Alex years ago that I liked. Great girls, all from Thailand. I have long since lost the number. I think it was originally called blue room. Does anyone know if they are still around?

Standard fare with older, not quite as attractive providers. Not particularly recommended.

We live in turmoil times. LE are ramping their efforts to curtail participation in our hobby, particularly in this area. While it's reprehensible for us to get 30 or 40 minutes sessions, I would encourage us to be sympathetic to the our mutual friends' position.

The places that are open now are doing so with high caution and modified operational procedures. Therefore, the shorten sessions may be caused by general fear that LE may break down the door.

Albeit, I can't really speak for all providers as some are assholes, and if they had their way, you'the be out in 10 minutes. But from the ones that I spoken to, they share the same sentiments.

No need to turn on the flames, just FYI.

Ian

[QUOTE=Apfel Baum]I've known about this forum for a while, but I never lurked or contributed. Why? Because there wasn't much to talk about. I had HWC. I knew exactly where I was going to go when I occasionally got that feeling.

I feel like an addict going through withdrawal. I don't want to throw my money away on CL. I don't want to go anywhere that is subpar. I am spoiled.

I did have the number of an aamp in Alex years ago that I liked. Great girls, all from Thailand. I have long since lost the number. I think it was originally called blue room. Does anyone know if they are still around?[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. I wonder what it was like in the 70s? I remember guys lamenting the passing of the "K" street red light district. I thought the 80s weren't so bad, and things got worse. Now I"m just wishing for the 80s-90s, throw us a bone.

Sure, there are places to be found, but this situation is horrible. Way over priced or horrible selection for a reasonable price.

Old news to the real hobbyists: Loudoun County Sheriffs raided and shut down AO in Sterling. 4 ladies arrested and 4 johns arrrested.

Ted

As we can all see and realize, LEO is slowly and systematically eliminating every massage parlor. WATCH, LOOK AND LISTEN before entering any establishment. Circle the block to look for LEO. And if LEO pulls you over after you leave, admit nothing and deny everything. They were not inside with you. Stick to the reason why they pulled you over. LEO is using scare and harassment tactics to turn mongers. Then they use these "turned " monger as informants. LEO then has enough information to raid the place because a "crime" is being committed.

[QUOTE=Andrewsted]shut down AO in Sterling. 4 ladies arrested and 4 johns arrested.[/QUOTE]I didn't think that place A) was popular enough to have 4 ladies working and B) was popular enough to have 4 CUSTOMERS at one time! 8-) Those poor overworked sheriffs, I wonder what the "months of investigation" consisted of