Your ignorance is absolutely painful!
[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2579630]Really?? Like po-po can't bust you UNLESS you ask questions! PLEASE!! You do realize all they need is for you to answer the back page ad, show up, hand over money & start taking your clothes off, right? They got your ass then!
How did you find the chics telephone number? Oh, so you were actively perusing thru the escorts section of backpage looking for pay-for-play, right? Because that is the ONLY way you would have got the chics (decoy) number! How did you know exactly what hotel & room number to come to?? How did you know that she wanted $200 per hour & you just so coincidentally showed up with exactly $200?? Oh, so you just randomly show up at any hotel, pick a room out of the blue & hand over $200 to whoever answers the door, right? Then start getting undressed, right?? ROTFLMAO. As if JSO actually NEED you to ask a question!![/QUOTE]
You obviously do not know the law do you! Well, let the kid enlighten you with a few words! First, let me say that in order to break a speeding law on the road, one must drive faster than the speed limit (simple right?). For example: if the speed limit says 60 miles per hour and you go one mile over that, technically, you are breaking the law. Although the likelihood that you will get a ticket is very slim since many allow at least 5 miles per hour over the limit, nevertheless, LEO can still give you a ticket!
Now, what is the definition of prostitution? It is the exchange for sex or sex act for money or something of monetary value. What does this mean? If you contact a provider and you discuss a sex act for $100, $1. 00 or for a can of tuna (the latter having monetary value), you have just broken the law and your ARSE is going to jail!
What is not breaking the law: 1) responding to an escort ad; 2) showing up with agreed upon money; 3) knowing where her room is; 4) disrobing (as you could have asked for a bodyrub which isn't illegal); 5) knowing her phone number. These enumerated items are not against the law! I repeat! These enumerated items are not against the law!
The reason the ad's are placed is to get you to the point of contacting the provider and making an offer of money for a sex act! This is where the line MUST be crossed in order for LEO to secure a charge/conviction for solicitation! According to your definition and criteria, I should have been arrested a long time ago for solicitation! But guess what? Never have I ever been arrested for solicitation of prostitution! Why!? Because I know what I'm talking about! I know what I'm doing! I have studied this more extensively than you (obviously)!
Let me tell you what a very attractive vice officer told me some time ago. This woman (officer unbeknownst to me at the time and while her undercover partner was standing outside waiting for me to say the wrong thing) tried to get me to admit to any number of sex acts for about $140. I said to myself, at the time, whatever I can do in a strip club, legally, I can do here in this room. So I played along and essentially told her we WILL NOT have sex; the only thing I wanted her to do is dance either in lingerie or bra and panties (what a sight it would have been to see JSO vice-lady in bara and panties and she was hawt!); I said to her I didn't want HIV, etc. (This was actually for the recording they would have played before Judge Judy!). This went on for quite some time. Anywho, I got to the point and said I better get out of here before I say the wrong thing (to myself) then I told her I'd have to go to the bank to get the money before we start session (which was true); only thing, I was coming back but just not to that room! She obviously figured out what I was doing (trying to leave) and she said, "you're coming back aren't you?" I said yes I am. She then turned around and said to me, "you did good!" I looked at her strangely and she said, "we're the VICE!" The guy came back in the room and both of them showed me their badges! Not handcuffs!
According to your limited knowledge of this, I should have been arrested, tried, and convicted but guess what?! Didn't happen! So continue to ROTFLMAO if you wish but I did this several times and trust me, it wasn't because they were being nice to me and decided to just let me go or because I was so cute! It was because, legally, they had nothing! Now, as I mentioned before, you are welcomed to stress over that little $60 dollars all you want BUT when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand Pete! Let me RE-PETE: when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand!
One thing I will give you though- you are correct, it is possible, if they wanted to make life miserable for you, they might go ahead and arrest you (though not likely without you breaking the law; who wants that paperwork!) BUT the part you're not paying attention to is this: even if they do arrest you, as long as you had not discussed money and sex, the likelihood that a "GOOD" lawyer will get you off and get the charges dropped is significantly higher! However, if you hand them your azz on a platter, then the charges will likely stick!
Again, have it your way! Do as you please but folks I promise you, don't let this fella steer you wrong! He could be JSO trying to offset you! With as few post as he has, it could be just that! To offset you! Forget the $60! Consider the thousands you might be out of! It's sho life!
Look fellas, I have nothing to gain by getting into a pissing contest with this fella. I am just looking out for your best interest! I know when you leave this so-called hobby, you don't want the remnants of this to affect your life forever! Remember this too: LEO can create an account on this site too!
A2 thanks for this thread because it certainly allows us to argue our points of view without tying up other threads but this discussion is certainly necessary in order for the men of this board to stay safe.
As for this fella, I have given you my best argument. ENOUGH! No more back and forth! You either believe it and accept it or you can reject it! It's sho life!
I know I said I will not go back and forth with you BUT
[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2579569]You just HAD to write a long ass thesis statement on the dangers of being trapped up in this game, right?? As if I didn't KNOW any better. Look, I'm not saying you should incriminate yourself. What I'm saying is, there is NO WAY OF KNOWING what services these chics offer compared to what you're looking for! So obviously, you need to ask questions. The questions you ask shouldn't be blatantly obvious, but at least "code word" things so you'll know what she will do & won't do. Then you can decide on whether or not you want to see the chic or find someone else. Just like a job interview. You ask questions to the employer in an effort to determine if what they are willing to offer is something you can accept, should they want to give you the job. No guy in their right mind wants to go into something BLINDLY, not knowing what he will be able to do. For chics that have websites & reviews, you pretty much KNOW what they offer & don't offer. So there is NO NEED to ask questions. But the majority of these chics have no reviews, no websites, no nothing. Some don't even state a donation amt. Bkpg ad says nothing. Soooo, how do you suppose to know what THEY will & won't do if they state nothing in their ad & you don't ask questions (in a coded manner! Ex. Instead of asking do you do anal, you could ask: do you offer trips to Greece? Again, that's going in blindly. Now if you want to be the one to throw your hard earned money out in the wind blindly, hey go ahead, do as you please. Its a free country & the free market reins supreme. But I personally think that's very stupid & have no compassion for you when you've been ripped off by a chic. Can't blame providers when you're the one exercising no caution when it comes to your money![/QUOTE]
I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.
Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.
And this is my very point
[QUOTE=JaxDog;2579878]Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.[/QUOTE]Sure, they can be an azz and arrest you just for showing up but as I have pointed out, as long as you didn't have that sex and money discussion, the likelihood of dropped charges increases exponentially. As you mentioned, jso appears to have decided not to waste precious resources. Obviously it really does not mean they won't but if or when they do (hoping I'm not on receiving end of such), I'm out! Game over!
As JTM mentioned, I'm not having said discussion and if they insist, I walk!
Yes the topic is mainly about BP girls
[QUOTE=PTMonger;2580269]And I'm done and will leave you gents to enjoy the banter. What I said and meant was, like PC many good providers have pages and sites that professionally layout the services provided and their expectations for both parties. The vast majority of those are reliable and easy enough to review or ask seasoned mongers here about, pretty simple. I can't tell you much about hunting CL / BP girls so, perhaps my comment wasn't germane to the main discussion anyway. Then again, some people just like talking behind their computer screen. I'm off for a 2:00 to get some ass guys. Enjoy.
PT.[/QUOTE]
But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!
Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!
I'm guessing when the lady mentions
[QUOTE=TallBear;2580553]Perhaps it is because of the evidentiary difficulties in making a person personally liable for the material on a website, especially if the website servers are physically located beyond easy reach, but I don't think I've ever heard of a website being brought into evidence against a provider. It seems to be the personal communications that will get your ass snared. Or hers.
First time visits are always the most dangerous, & my nervousness almost always diminishes my enjoyment of first time visits. Yeah, there's a thrill to it but, well, no thanks. I'm too old & too vested in my non-hobby life to take any more chances with this nonsense than I absolutely have to. Research, vetting through reviews, referrals from trusted individuals, & sticking with tried & true providers are all ways I avoid having those incriminating conversations at all.[/QUOTE]To guys to check out "their" website, especially if they reference it could prove some form of ownership or connection. I'm not sure but as you said, I'm too vested in my own life to allow these shenanigans to destroy it!
That sermon touched my heart
[QUOTE=ThePreacher;2580782]Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.[/QUOTE]You just don't know how timely your question was made. My answer would be YES although my examples are not "retired" And no names will be given. I have let's say "dated" and I will use that word loosely. First one she said we were in a relationship. I met her just over a year ago on BP. Turned on the humor and charm. She called me to see her again a few days later. After I asked her how much because we got down for about 2 hours. She said you don't have to give me nothing. Shocked by the thought I still gave her 60. She started calling me to come see her whlie she worked and we talked several times daily. She got so deep into her habit that after a few months she looked almost nothing like the short PAWG I liked. She went from 140 to 100. Lost most her hair. And went from wanting to have a normal life and job to saying she retired from jobs at 28 years old. I had to walk away when she forgot to tell me her grandmother died because she got so messed up on drugs for days. That grouchy old lady liked me because I was nothing like her other friends. I became the first AA to ever come into their house and be welcomed to spend the night. One man can make a difference in another person's life.
Next provider is recent / current. Call it FWB. Never had to P4 P. Was looking like something more but somewhere we slowed it down. Well she hit the brakes and I got whiplash. Sex is great but irrelevant. I really enjoy her as a person.
And now there is a SW. It's been going on for less than 2 weeks. I will explain more about that situation in another report.
Yes YR cantb1 is being real
[QUOTE=CantB1;2580360]I had to up the data plan in my phone just to keep up. Just kidding I hacked the neighbor's wifi. LOL.
Much respect bro. But you IS long winded! Have you even slept?
It's good you try to educate the board but grown folks get stuck in their ways. So let them be.[/QUOTE]If you had to write down the rules for tic-Tac-toe I think it would be about 200 pages long. Brevity can be your friend too.
I was actually agreeing with him
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2580892]Until you get it sealed and subsequently expunged. The nice thing about Florida is you can get the record almost immediately sealed after the incident and if you wait 10 years, keep your nose clean, you can get it expunged. I tell providers to AVOID certain states like New York, I believe, because they don't allow either which means it is on your record forever. Another thing, it's a once in a lifetime deal. The only way you can get multiple charges sealed is if all the arrest are connected. It appears expungement is, by and large, better bcuz the record details, itself, is destroyed. However when the record is sealed, it's still intact but hidden from certain organizations or agencies. For example, if you wanted to be a teacher, it can still be seen. If you wanted to work in corporate America, it's hidden from them, for example.
Hence, it's not a total loss but you certainly have your work cut out for you. Another recommendation is to at least seal it ASAP bcuz agencies like the courthouse will sell your information to 3rd party background check companies the longer it stays unsealed. Kinda like a cellphone company selling your personal information. I've known it to be a nightmare for some! It only becomes a total loss if you can't get that shet sealed bcuz the state attornies office is fighting it and the judge agrees, for whatever reason. Hopefully both are reasonable and you have a good attorney![/QUOTE]
About letting grown men figure shet out on their own. Some things take a little more explaining than others; however, since I'm getting a lot of smart azz remarks about it, let's just table it and you people can proceed how you wish! Seems people are more concerned about getting pussy ONLY rather than getting it and being well informed and responsible! Anyway, it's sho life! Hope that was enough brevity for ya!
Me, Her, and her boyfriend Ron (Heroin)
I been spending a lot of time with a SW lately. But I kinda feel like a third wheel because no matter what time of day it is or where we go she always gets a call from Ron. Ron is a needy bastard. Always calling her several times a day. She wakes up sick of him calling but she always answers his controlling ass. What's said is that they have only been together for a few months but his hold is strong. She has to do anything to support him. Even deal with bad living situations and constantly being scared of being arrest for doing what she has to do. Ron encourages and get off on seeing her date strange men for money.
I met SW months ago. Never did I think that she would be in such a bad relationship for her appearance. Not with that lower anyway. But given her line of work I knew she wasn't doing it for the fun. The more time I spent with her, the more I see where he has left his mark. I know in life people become neutral and never try to move pass road blocks and make detours to avoid for seem obstacles. I'm guilty of that myself so I try not to judge but some things are like basic math. 1+1=2 and a person using drugs becomes addicted. As kids we make fun of junkies. Never did we say that's what we want to be when we grow up. But it seems to be a growing "profession. " What happened to wanting to be Doctors lawyers and millionaires.
Back to SW. She thinks that she is different from the other ladies in her position. She knows what she's doing. She doesn't think that Ron will kill her like he did another girl she knows. He makes you abandon your kids for him. And that Ron won't rob her of her looks. I ask her what makes her any different that all the others he fuck with. She gets lost in her ignorance of self awareness.
Ron is her problem. She has apologized too many times for him keeping her too long and making her miss our dates. Another thing is that she thinks everything and everyone is "Quid pro quo" (something for something) No I don't need you to "put it on me" to make it up to me. No I don't need you to suck my dick because I bought you something. Just be sincere and dependable. Which she is not. She is so impatient when she needs but everything else can't help but wait because Ron is calling every couple hours. I get dragged in to help him out. I have gotten to not be able to stand him at all. Only thing I can do is stay out of their relationship.
CB1.
Damn that Ron get treated like a king. But he destroys his loyal subjects one day at a time.
Dangers of getting caught
I add my thanks as well Stewie. I came close to a problem up north many years ago and only narrowly avoided it because of the paranoid precautions I used to take when dialing BP girls from my hotel room. Specifically, I used to casually camp out in the lobby for first time girls to see if they came alone. I won't detail the specifics, but suffice it to say that I probably would have been sleeping in a jail cell instead of my very nice hotel bed if I had been in that room and let her in. I had to hide out in another part of the hotel for almost an hour until the "escort" and her entourage realized that I was not going to answer the door, and hence would not be caught in the act of handing over cash for sex, and finally left. JSO might not waste resources chasing one off outcall busts, but, sadly, local and even state police in some of the northeast states are all too happy to blow massive resources on morality policing.
That was 8 ish years ago and it was last time that I sourced paid pussy anywhere other than directly from a strip club. An arrest alone would have been sufficient to ruin my life, regardless of whether I beat the charges or not. If you work in sensitive industries that require fingerprinting, you know that fingerprint records are forever and every arrest, regardless of whether they result in court action, pop up during a fingerprint check.
[QUOTE=Jaxlooker1;2582315]Thanks Stewie for the post and sharing your personal experience! It makes me think about this hobby and puts it in prospective of the consequences, if caught. Not really worth it in the long run. I'm clean now but it is a huge risk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StewieGriffin;2581275]So true. Even though my charges were dropped, it was still a pain in the ass! Spent the night in jail, because you can not bond out for a solicitation charge, had to pay a lawyer, and go through all that crap. And just when you think it is all over because they drop the charges, your name and picture show up in JC paper and someone at works sees it and puts a copy on everyones desk almost getting you fired from your job.[/QUOTE]
